Looking forward to hearing Joe's prognosis of the Mayo/Cork game, should be great craic on the sunday game tonight if him and Tony are in the panel :D :D
Great craic this afternoon!
to be fair pat and joe (mostly pat) have give my county alot of stick in the past but never ever would i turn them off = they're great craic!!!!
to be fair pat and joe (mostly pat) have give my county alot of stick in the past but never ever would i turn them off = they're great craic!!!!Brolly worships Tyrone.
Not sure what he has to be smug about. Has been completely wrong with his last 2 predictions - yesterday and Cork v Mayo.
How did he call Kildare/Donegal game?
A lot of people myself included thought Kerry would beat Cork, Brolly just publicised it in a more ignorant way.
Brolly is what Dunphy is to soccer and Eoghan Harris is to politics, a lot of pontificating but not much calling it right.
Was Bernard not Alan footballer of the year?
I might be in the minority but I actually like Liam Hayes, he speaks with an honesty and interesting insight into the team psyche, he has played and managed at inter-county and has been a leading sports journalist. His analysis can be a bit off the wall but his discussions with David Brady are entertaining, he has no agenda.
I might be in the minority but I actually like Liam Hayes, he speaks with an honesty and interesting insight into the team psyche, he has played and managed at inter-county and has been a leading sports journalist. His analysis can be a bit off the wall but his discussions with David Brady are entertaining, he has no agenda.
I might be in the minority but I actually like Liam Hayes, he speaks with an honesty and interesting insight into the team psyche, he has played and managed at inter-county and has been a leading sports journalist. His analysis can be a bit off the wall but his discussions with David Brady are entertaining, he has no agenda.
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.
Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.
Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.
Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.
Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.
The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.
Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers" then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it) Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.
Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.
Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.
The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.
Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers" then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it) Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.
???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?
We would have made bits of you in '97 if it wasn't for Martin Lynch getting half our team suspended for the Leinster final and fckin Elvis Presley rising from the dead to score 2 goals for Offaly.
???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.
Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.
Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.
The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.
Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers" then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it) Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.
???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?
We would have made bits of you in '97 if it wasn't for Martin Lynch getting half our team suspended for the Leinster final and fckin Elvis Presley rising from the dead to score 2 goals for Offaly.
There's a good reason for that! It goes all the way back to 2003.to be fair pat and joe (mostly pat) have give my county alot of stick in the past but never ever would i turn them off = they're great craic!!!!
Have to say I never heard Joe giving Tyrone stick over the past few years. He has always praised them.
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.
Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.
Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.
The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.
Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers" then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it) Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.
???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?
We would have made bits of you in '97 if it wasn't for Martin Lynch getting half our team suspended for the Leinster final and fckin Elvis Presley rising from the dead to score 2 goals for Offaly.
to be fair to Joe - he still knows where the goals are....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtZ79CFbx4c
Mayo wouldn't make shite of shite.
to be fair to Joe - he still knows where the goals are....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtZ79CFbx4c
Eh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25tWoQng6I&feature=related
Lads we shouldn't get too wound up about the two boys trading verbals.....TSG is using the Giles Dunphy template to generate a bit of "controversy"....to generate a bit of crack....although Pat does look as if he would give Brolly a slap sometimes....
Brolly is articulate but a limited reader of a game.
He prounces so confidently what will happen before a game, and when the total opposite happens, he again prounces so confidently that you think that's what he said in the first place.
Joe's verdict on Donegal (article also in Gaelic Life) this week. Get the impression Joe isn't crazy about Donegals style of play :D
Brolly’s Bites - What’s the point, Jim?
Jerome Quinn did a very enjoyable video piece before the Ulster final called “Derry is buzzing” from Shamrock Park in Ballinderry (see it on youtube).
Conleith Gilligan, Big Enda and Kevin McGuckin were down at the park helping out with the club’s summer camp and the atmosphere was one of fun and excitement. The children were asked to predict the scores. “1-19 to 1-18” said one. Adam Gilligan, heir to the Gilligan fortune, predicted that Derry would win by 3-11 to 2-9 and “my daddy will score the Derry goals.” His daddy is one of the most skilled footballers the county ever produced. When Ballinderry won the All-Ireland club title in 2002, Conleith claimed the ‘Man of the Match’ award in five out of their six post-Derry championship games, controlling games with his pinpoint passing and clever movement.
So, in mid July in Clones, he brought all his reservoir of talent and experience onto the pitch; a lifetime of loving and learning the game. What a colossal waste of time that all turned out to be. All those early mornings on the Shamrocks pitch, kicking ball for the sheer pleasure of it. All those Saturday afternoons when he headed off with a bag of balls over his shoulder to perfect his technique with both feet, him and Big Enda putting on a private show, kicking sideline after sideline until it was dark, revelling in it. Pathetic!
Derry and Armagh had lit up the championship in the semi-final, an exhilarating game where players expressed themselves to the full. Eoin Bradley’s audacious skills brought gasps of admiration. Jamie Clarke terrified the Derry support every time the ball came near. Three brilliant goals! We came away with a spring in our step. How Pathetic! How absolutely pathetic!
Come the Ulster final, it became clear that what Derry men have been engaged in all these years is not football at all, but some childish fantasy. In Clones, Adam’s daddy never got a kick, because Donegal men played ring-a-ring-a-rosy around him for the entire game. This is lots of fun. The formula is this: Get all your players to stay inside their own half, save for Colm McFadden. Then surround the inside forwards. At halftime, you can stop doing it for ten minutes. When the whistle for the second half goes, resume the position until the final whistle goes. Then Rory will say “we make no apologies for this” and express surprise that people hate it. “I am amazed at the reaction” he said after last Sunday in Croke Park. “We are not in the business of entertainment.” You don’t say Rory..
In that Clones final, Enda Muldoon looked awful. No Derry forward scored. Very few even managed to get a shot off. To tell you the truth, I can remember very little about the game, other than the Ring-a-ring-a-rosy. Oh, and Donegal got a penalty which Michael Murphy crashed home. That aside, the mind draws a blank.
Their destruction of their games prior to the Dublin match was not just as depressing as last Sunday because up until then, no one had played them at their own game. The other opposition (save for Kildare who only got partially sucked in) fell into the trap of throwing their defenders forward in a desperate attempt to get a score. This allowed Donegal to selectively counter-attack into the space left behind, while still keeping their defence in position. The plan is simple and effective. Blot out all space inside their own half. Create a turnover as the opposition defenders come forward, then go for the jugular. Murphy, or Lacey or Kavanagh come through the middle, then lay the ball off for the striker. Tyrone played into their hands by coming forward from the back in droves. Their high-wire act was eventually exposed, two turnovers leading to the two killer goals. 2-6 is more than enough to do the job.
There are three ways to deal with Donegal’s death-grip. One is to put your head in your hands and weep. The second is reserved for the Kerrys of this world and by that I mean Kerry. The third is to do precisely the same to them. Keep your defenders in position. Use the spare men to surround Colm McFadden (above), then Michael Murphy in the unlikely event that he is allowed to go into the forwards (on Sunday, he was finally sent up on the 64th minute).
Until Jim and Rory came along, I had naively assumed Michael was a forward. There he was all those years, wasting his time learning the skills. Turns out, all he has to do to win an Ulster championship is play ring-a-ring-a-rosy along his half-back line and kick the odd free or penalty. Dublin did the only thing that can be done. Do to them what they do to you, make it a horrible stalemate, then hope to scramble the late free or penalty that will win the game.
When other teams gradually realise that Dublin’s approach is the only viable way to deal with Donegal’s strategy, there is only one future. Forwards, even great ones like Bernard Brogan and Michael Murphy become irrelevant. Their role will be to try to get their hands to the ball and hope to win a free as the swarm of defenders reaches in. The goalie will be an expert long range free-taker, since all the fouling is done outside the scoring zone. The best scoring forwards will in future be picked in the half back line. Midfielders as we know it will become redundant. Jack O’Shea and his ilk will be relics of a romantic past. Instead, we will have ruck rovers like they have in Aussie rules, workaholics who roam up and down the field.
The point that has been missed in all the furore caused since Sunday is that there are two mutually exclusive positions. The first is Donegal’s self-interest. They are perfectly entitled to play whatever game they wish to. Incredibly, they are Ulster champions and had Colm McFadden bagged the goal he ought to have, they would be getting ready for an All-Ireland final.
The second however, is the wider interests of the game and the people who love it. On this front, we, the people, are perfectly entitled to say that what Donegal do is fundamentally damaging to Gaelic football. Jim asked afterwards what was “the point in going out in a blaze of glory”, something Donegal conspicuously did not do last Sunday. Instead, they went out in a shameful and forgettable way, iced by the disgraceful play-acting of Martin Boyle. No one will remember it. No one would want to remember it.
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.
There's a bit of truth in this.
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.
Has this been posted on here yet? Great stuff from Joe again.
http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-north-men-south-men-comrades-all-my-arse-1-3674549 (http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-north-men-south-men-comrades-all-my-arse-1-3674549)
When Saint Mary’s CBS Grammar school from Belfast played and defeated Doon CBS from Limerick in the colleges All-Ireland ‘B’ hurling semi-final a fortnight ago, the Belfast students complained afterwards that they were subjected to incessant racial abuse by the opposition. The father of one of the lads described in a local newspaper how when he went to celebrate with his son at the final whistle, he was told by one of the Doon players to “Go back to Britain and play your f***ing games up there.”
THE PRINCIPAL of a County Limerick School has told the Leader of his “complete and utter disgust at a sectarian slur” by Joe Brolly on his players.
In Mr Brolly’s article in The Irish Mail on Sunday about Armagh’s claim of “racism” he referenced St Fintan’s CBS in Doon.
He wrote: “When Saint Mary’s CBS grammar school from Belfast played and defeated Doon CBS from Limerick in the colleges All-Ireland B hurling semi-final a fortnight ago, the Belfast students complained afterwards that they were subjected to incessant abuse by the opposition.
“The father of one of the lads described in a local newspaper how when he went to celebrate with his son at the final whistle, he was told by one of the Doon players to ‘go back to Britain and play your f***ing games up there’.”
Eddie Bourke, principal of St Fintan’s CBS, said the first he heard about these allegations were when one of his teachers rang him on Sunday night.
“There is absolutely no truth whatsoever in the article. It’s an awful slur on the school. We’re absolutely disgusted that Joe Brolly would go and write something like that without contacting us. It’s a cheap shot,” said Mr Bourke.
On Monday he sat down with the players of the team.
“They find it very hard to take that kind of insult. I have great regard for those lads. They had a great year in hurling and football. They won some matches that they shouldn’t have won. They are a very gritty team, a very honest group of young fellows.
“There is nothing like that in them. They are very annoyed with it. We want to uphold the good name of the school,” said Mr Bourke, who was on the sidelines for the semi-final in Dublin.
“I was very close to the action as were all our teachers. I heard absolutely nothing during the match. When the game was over we spoke to the teachers and coaches from St Mary’s, congratulated them and wished them luck in the final.
“They came in to our dressing room to commiserate with us and they got a great round of applause. Our team went in to their dressing room and did the same thing. It was all very friendly and we parted in very good company,” said Mr Bourke, who added that there was nothing in the referee’s report.
He is backed up by the principal of St Mary’s, Jim Sheerin.
“I didn’t see the article by Joe Brolly but I’ve had absolutely no contact from any players, parent or supporters of St Mary’s to make a complaint or object to how the Doon players conducted themselves. It is complete news to me when I heard it. It was a hard fought match which could have gone either way and it ended in very good spirits.
“I was at the match and if there had been anything I’m sure they would have expressed that to me. If people were incensed or aggrieved in some way clearly there was an opportunity on the day to alert me to it. There was nothing on the day,” said Mr Sheerin.
Like Mr Bourke he says he has had no phone call in relation to what Mr Brolly has reported,
“I agree [with Mr Bourke] it is a slur on the school and he is quite right to follow it up,” said Mr Sheerin. Regarding the local newspaper mentioned by Mr Brolly, the principal say their local paper is the Anderstown News or the widely circulated Irish News.
The Leader has contacted both and they say that nothing was printed of that nature.
Mr Bourke is to seek a retraction.
Joe will have a bit of explaining to do it seems.
What the fck is this about?? Now that there's (more or less) equality in the North, have some people decided they need to turn their victimhood and whinging somewhere else? Where's nearest - ah the south! Let's have a go at them for racial abuse.
What absolute sh*te.
Our experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn’t support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn’t support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.QuoteOur experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn’t support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn’t support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.
That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.
There's a bit of truth in this.
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.QuoteOur experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn’t support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn’t support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.
That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.
They didn't in 04 when Mayo beat Tyrone if I can remember. Most of the Armagh and Fermanagh contingent were cheering on Mayo that day.
What the fck is this about?? Now that there's (more or less) equality in the North, have some people decided they need to turn their victimhood and whinging somewhere else? Where's nearest - ah the south! Let's have a go at them for racial abuse.FACE PALM!
What absolute sh*te.
I had reason to drive through North Galway in ’96 and then on through Roscommon on my way to Croke Park for the AI.
I was amazed at the number of red and green flags flying in both counties. Loads of Mayo supporters got into the ground early to support the Rossie minors.
I had reason to drive through North Galway in ’96 and then on through Roscommon on my way to Croke Park for the AI.
I was amazed at the number of red and green flags flying in both counties. Loads of Mayo supporters got into the ground early to support the Rossie minors.
I presume you mean 2006? The Rossie minors were there in 2006.
I had occasion to drive through Mayo & Roscommon in the leadup to the 1996 All Ireland final and the only part of Roscommon festooned in red and green flags was Ballaghdereen ;)
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.QuoteOur experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn’t support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn’t support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.
That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.
I got the year wrong alright. I had meant ’06 but I was thinking also of ’96 when Mayo made the same fruitless journey to HQ and Roscommon, Longford and Westmeath, or at least those regions along the N5/N4, had the Mayo colours flying.
I had reason to drive through North Galway in ’96 and then on through Roscommon on my way to Croke Park for the AI.
I was amazed at the number of red and green flags flying in both counties. Loads of Mayo supporters got into the ground early to support the Rossie minors.
I presume you mean 2006? The Rossie minors were there in 2006.
I had occasion to drive through Mayo & Roscommon in the leadup to the 1996 All Ireland final and the only part of Roscommon festooned in red and green flags was Ballaghdereen ;)
anyone post up Paddy Heaneys article today in the Irish news?
The Paddy Heaney Column
Kick passing is great. Cross are great. Fishing is great. The end.
By Paddy Heaney 3rd April 2012
anyone post up Paddy Heaneys article today in the Irish news?
I'll type it out for you. I cut a couple of the less important bits out.QuoteThe Paddy Heaney Column
Kick passing is great. Cross are great. Fishing is great. The end.
By Paddy Heaney 3rd April 2012
Very nicely and accurately summarised.
Its bad enough that we allow foreigners like Brolly work for our national broadcaster but we allow him to insult us as well.
I think there should be a purge of all Nordies from our airwaves. If anything it would rid us of those godawful accents.
(takes cover)
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.QuoteOur experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn’t support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn’t support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.
That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.
Nah. Whatever about Munster, Leinster and Ulster, Connacht is the most bonded together province. Partly from the siege mentality of always being down-troden by outsiders and and even the etched in memories of 'To Hell or to Connacht' we invariably back each other when it comes down to it. We all talk plenty of rubbish, but few true supporters in Connacht would ever harbour anything but hope for the other counties when it comes down to the heat of the championship.Just ask all those Rossies who were there in July of '98 and had watched our two counties play to a stalemate, twice, only for the ultimate and exquisite agony of an extra-time goal to burn out our hope as the light dimmed over Dr. Hyde Park.
The very same Rossies who crowded the streets of Athlone in two months later when you brought Sam over the Shannon and home to Connacht.
Yourself seafoid being one of them?
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Typical barrister, isolates the points that create and sustain his attack whilst conveniently shutting out similar acts of showmanship exuded by his own county teams, himself etc.
If we treat these guys opinions as anything more than mere sporting titillation, its ourselves we need to be looking at.
Spillane set the template, these guys follow, and as much as I like Brolly he could have referred to any team.
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...
I remember that game and that incident, After some more hauling by Kerry Canavan went in to try and take the quick free and inadvertently ran into the man in his desperation to get back Tyrones advantage. . He was bursted right open and needed to leave the field for stitches, and some forehead bandaging, so the lad was hurt and went down hurt as you are entitled to do surely to be fair. But in fairness to the big lad he didnt know as much about it as Gerry Kenneavy felt he did, and when you put it into the context of the day the Kerry tactics that day included:Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...
Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
I remember that game and that incident, After some more hauling by Kerry Canavan went in to try and take the quick free and inadvertently ran into the man in his desperation to get back Tyrones advantage. . He was bursted right open and needed to leave the field for stitches, and some forehead bandaging, so the lad was hurt and went down hurt as you are entitled to do surely to be fair. But in fairness to the big lad he didnt know as much about it as Gerry Kenneavy felt he did, and when you put it into the context of the day the Kerry tactics that day included:Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...
Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
1) stopping quick free kicks
2) hauling them down at every opportunity.
3) Thumping their own manager.
Twas an angry Kerry shower that came up to Croke Park, that day the only thing that sized up to their snarling misplaced aggression was the length of the tail between their legs as they traipsed onto the Killarney express that evening, and gathered silently onboard wondering what excuses/spin could they create for such a complete footballing annihilation.
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...
Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
Joe's memory for a barrister is pretty poor.
Tyorne and Donegal were level with 70 mins on the clock, hardly complete control.
As well as Tyrone played in the 2nd half against Kerry only McConnells studs stopped Kerry winning that game. I think Sheehan missed a 45 to level it with time almost up as well.
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...
Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...
Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.
Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...
Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.
Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo
Of course it's a dive. He went to give a cowardly, sly and entirely unnecessary dig and as he did he hit the ground as if he was bottled. I don't see any blood and even if he did manage to injure himself it wasn't enough to cause him to fall to the ground. To add to the shameful episode the Tyrone medical staff decided to bandage him up as if he fell from the top of the hogan and landed on his head.
As others have said, that type of shite is becoming all too common and if we want to eradicate that type of embarrassing rubbish from our game we all need to demand more from our players. Let's stop justifying this nonsense irrespective of who does it or what they've achieved as footballers.
there are a lot of Tyrone people on here that would defend a Tyrone player if [he/she] went on a murdering spree
A dive is when you hit the turf when you don't need to just as Canavan did.
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...
Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.
Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...
Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.
Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo
Beat me to it O'Neill.
A dive is feigning injury. Canavan had to go off to get patched up so it could hardly be described as a dive. It was no yellow card. Canavan tried to be sneaky, came off worse off and went down having gotten a blood wound. To quote the commentary... "to be fair Peter Canavan DID take a blow to the face even though it was completely unintentional, and now requires some attention to the cut".
Bollix, if you bang your head at home in the kitchen, you don't throw yourself on the floor and roll around screaming..ffs it was a dive.
Bollix, if you bang your head at home in the kitchen, you don't throw yourself on the floor and roll around screaming..ffs it was a dive.
Bollix, if you bang your head at home in the kitchen, you don't throw yourself on the floor and roll around screaming..ffs it was a dive.
Bollix, if you ran towards a cupboard in your kitchen and it suddenly opened and hit you on the head, and you had a grass floor in your kitchen, you might very well feel like lying down and having a roll or two! :P ;)
2003 was the turning point for me. Left Casement after the Derry Tyrone game, annoyed at the result obviously, but disgusted by the constant diving and throwing themselves to the ground looking handy frees from Tyrone...half a dozen Id say in the 1st half alone. Slightest touch, down. They got away with it and continued it throughout the championship, it worked and still works. Time to call a spade a spade and stop defending this carry on. A Derry man dives, he's a cheat, simple. Cork men, Carlow etc...needs to be eradicated from the game now.
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.Im up for all of that but I found equally as unmanly Joe Sheridans goal in the Leinster final and subsequent denial of the facts aadd in Martin O Connell standing on peoples heads when they were lieing prostrate on the ground with their back to him, unmanliness has no heirarchy of perpertrators, accurate defination of offense, nor does it stop at county boundaries. It has been a problem affecting the GAA since Spillane took the first recorded dive on national TV in an all ireland final V roscommon.
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.Im up for all of that but I found equally as unmanly Joe Sheridans goal in the Leinster final and subsequent denial of the facts aadd in Martin O Connell standing on peoples heads when they were lieing prostrate on the ground with their back to him, unmanliness has no heirarchy of perpertrators, accurate defination of offense, nor does it stop at county boundaries. It has been a problem affecting the GAA since Spillane took the first recorded dive on national TV in an all ireland final V roscommon.
There is no high moral ground here and it isn't a case of certain players or certain counties doing it, though some are more prone to it than others, the issue is the game itself. Lets call a spade a spade when diving and exaggerating injuries occur regardless of who does it. As we can see from this thread many lads are unwilling to call out their own, until that happens the great game of football will drift evermore towards the BS that infects soccer.
players holding their faces when clearly not struck there with any force should be banned.
I remember that game and that incident, After some more hauling by Kerry Canavan went in to try and take the quick free and inadvertently ran into the man in his desperation to get back Tyrones advantage. . He was bursted right open and needed to leave the field for stitches, and some forehead bandaging, so the lad was hurt and went down hurt as you are entitled to do surely to be fair. But in fairness to the big lad he didnt know as much about it as Gerry Kenneavy felt he did, and when you put it into the context of the day the Kerry tactics that day included:Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...
Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
1) stopping quick free kicks
2) hauling them down at every opportunity.
3) Thumping their own manager.
Twas an angry Kerry shower that came up to Croke Park, that day the only thing that sized up to their snarling misplaced aggression was the length of the tail between their legs as they traipsed onto the Killarney express that evening, and gathered silently onboard wondering what excuses/spin could they create for such a complete footballing annihilation.
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.YOU are the one talking Bollocks Zulu! Very simple, Canavan was coming for a sly dig ( hardly a blind side punch or a headbutt from the side??), and as ONeill rightly pointed out , he paid the price for it ( i.e karma). You didnt see the blood because you choose not to, and yes...........you do have an agenda...the more you speak on here, the worst it becomes !!
On the Canavan dive: It was disgusting, and anyone defending it is being delusional. Not just the intent to get McCarthy sent off or carded, but the rolling around with his hands on his face which is clearly visible in that clip...sickening. Incidents like that and O'Mahony's dive in 2008 would make you ashamed watching them and really should be punished harshly by refs.
It's a pity when the county people of an offending player go all partisan. The Meath lads and Joe Sheridan and now Throne and St Peter.
There is no high moral ground here and it isn't a case of certain players or certain counties doing it, though some are more prone to it than others, the issue is the game itself. Lets call a spade a spade when diving and exaggerating injuries occur regardless of who does it. As we can see from this thread many lads are unwilling to call out their own, until that happens the great game of football will drift evermore towards the BS that infects soccer.
Nearly threw up in my mouth there. FFS we're discussing one incident. I'm saying that incident definitely wasn't a dive. No one is exonerating diving.Quoteplayers holding their faces when clearly not struck there with any force should be banned.
Could you draw up a force metre?
A tap + hold face = red card
A slap + hold face = yellow card
A punch + hold face = OK
A kick + hold face = All Star
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.YOU are the one talking Bollocks Zulu! Very simple, Canavan was coming for a sly dig ( hardly a blind side punch or a headbutt from the side??), and as ONeill rightly pointed out , he paid the price for it ( i.e karma). You didnt see the blood because you choose not to, and yes...........you do have an agenda...the more you speak on here, the worst it becomes !!
There is no high moral ground here and it isn't a case of certain players or certain counties doing it, though some are more prone to it than others, the issue is the game itself. Lets call a spade a spade when diving and exaggerating injuries occur regardless of who does it. As we can see from this thread many lads are unwilling to call out their own, until that happens the great game of football will drift evermore towards the BS that infects soccer.
Nearly threw up in my mouth there. FFS we're discussing one incident. I'm saying that incident definitely wasn't a dive. No one is exonerating diving.Quoteplayers holding their faces when clearly not struck there with any force should be banned.
Could you draw up a force metre?
A tap + hold face = red card
A slap + hold face = yellow card
A punch + hold face = OK
A kick + hold face = All Star
We're not discussing just one incident, it's indicative of a trend and when you (and others)try to defend the indefensible we need to start worrying about where the game is headed. You clearly couldn't give two f**ks though.
On your rather idiotic question, a simple bit of cop on by authorities would answer it.
Look, if you're defending that then you're defending all diving.
Falling on the ground isnt so much as to do with contact as balance ffs. Look at his feet - how to f**k is he supposed to stay up when he bounces off McCarthy. I've already said it was all his own doing, and he may have stayed down too long, but if you can see him throwing himself deliberately to the ground from that video, you're blind.
By your reckoning, if a man goes over on his ankle on the pitch, and falls to the ground, hes just dived. Its nonsensical. Canavan wasnt responsible for kinneavey getting the incident completely arseways
Anyone that says canavan dived is talking complete shite.Kerry always playing the poor mouth with their whinging after a team stand up to them.canavan was more sinned again than sinner
Some remarkable comments on here.+1
Midlouth had him so bad it, 'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'
You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.
one of the top players of the past 20 years who always led by example on the field
Some remarkable comments on here.
Midlouth had him so bad it, 'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'
You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.
Brolly's research seems to involve a sweep of youtube.Desperate stuff. Embarrassing yourself now.
Marsden's red card was rescinded on a technicality. When Kernan et al headed up to HQ to present their case, the ban stood after analysing video footage. Later, they managed to get the ban overturned when Armagh appealed to Central Council on a procedural matter, stating that the GAC had failed to clarify with them if the referee had consulted with an umpire on the day.
The Brian McGuigan incident was definitely shameful.
But why has Brolly taken 9 years to have the balls to say what he feels?
Some remarkable comments on here.
Midlouth had him so bad it, 'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'
You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.
Ah O'Neill it isn't like you to resort to insults, maybe it wasn't minutes but it made a lot out of nothing imo, if a soccer player did that he'd be slated. Other than that McCarthy must have the hardest hands in Ireland.
And I'm not questioning Canavan credentials, just this incident on its own, obviously was still a very good player.
Jesus A'Nail an article that long and the best you can come up with is 'why did it take brolly that long to say it?'. Personally I think he has it spot on. At least he says what he thinks and not writing for the sake of creating a bit of controversy. And what does YouTube have to do with it? Very good source, watching the incidents in question.
I completely agree with him. Hurlers put the footballers to shame. Rugby players too have it spot on. Whatever happened to pride and dignity?
I'm not just talking about Tyrone, it happens everywhere and sadly it's commonplace in club games throughout the country too. I find it sad the way our game has gone. Something needs to be done sooner rather than later.
I used to be a massive soccer fan. Once the diving came into the English premiership I completely lost all interest. I would seriously hope the same does not happen to the football. Would be a very sad day for me.
Some remarkable comments on here.
Midlouth had him so bad it, 'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'
You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.
Ah O'Neill it isn't like you to resort to insults, maybe it wasn't minutes but it made a lot out of nothing imo, if a soccer player did that he'd be slated. Other than that McCarthy must have the hardest hands in Ireland.
And I'm not questioning Canavan credentials, just this incident on its own, obviously was still a very good player.
Apologies Midlouth but the clip is there for everyone to see. When it's looked at and still incorrectly commented upon it beggars belief. Some people have him rolling around on the ground for ages.
This has nothing to do with a player's credentials.
Some remarkable comments on here.
Midlouth had him so bad it, 'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'
You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.
Ah O'Neill it isn't like you to resort to insults, maybe it wasn't minutes but it made a lot out of nothing imo, if a soccer player did that he'd be slated. Other than that McCarthy must have the hardest hands in Ireland.
And I'm not questioning Canavan credentials, just this incident on its own, obviously was still a very good player.
Apologies Midlouth but the clip is there for everyone to see. When it's looked at and still incorrectly commented upon it beggars belief. Some people have him rolling around on the ground for ages. This has nothing to do with a player's credentials.
It beggars belief that you think Canavan didn't dive or embellish the effects of what little contact did occur. That he dived and exaggerated the effects of the contact with a man that wasn't even aware he was 'dunting' him makes it all the more shameful. I don't know what brolly's agenda is nor do I care, as it's irrelevant. We will never eradicate this rubbish from the game as long as there are apologists like you spouting nonsense about 'contact', 'balance', 'ankle alignment' etc. The bottom-line is, if a man goes down or stays down unnecessarily then he should be called out. Christ it's hard to knock a grown man but some lads around here seem to think otherwise, did ye ever play the game at all?
You are nit-picking around the technicalities of Marsden incident in particular to discredit Brolly's analysis. Simple question "Did Jordan cheat to get Marsden the line?"
Come on O'Neill you're better than this. This has really gone beyond nit picking. Anybody that's played will have had knocks and bumps through a game. It takes one hell of a box to ground a man and keep him grounded. To say that only Jordan knows if he could get back up is simply cringe-worthy. At the absolute worst he got 'pushed' in the face. It's gettin a bit farcical for me. Might call it a day at this.
It beggars belief that you think Canavan didn't dive or embellish the effects of what little contact did occur. That he dived and exaggerated the effects of the contact with a man that wasn't even aware he was 'dunting' him makes it all the more shameful. I don't know what brolly's agenda is nor do I care, as it's irrelevant. We will never eradicate this rubbish from the game as long as there are apologists like you spouting nonsense about 'contact', 'balance', 'ankle alignment' etc. The bottom-line is, if a man goes down or stays down unnecessarily then he should be called out. Christ it's hard to knock a grown man but some lads around here seem to think otherwise, did ye ever play the game at all?
Why would Tyrone want their best player, talisman, top scorer and captain off the field for 5 minutes at a time when they were blitzing Kerry at the start of the game?
Again, you're being a little dramatic about the future of the game based on comments made on here.
Of course it's relevant. You claim he dived and embellished the effect of little contact. If that was the case, he would not have been removed from the field for minutes to get bandaged up. Canavan has shipped some heavy treatment in the past and played on. Therefore, the contact was a lot more telling (unintentionally) that you realise.
QuoteAgain, you're being a little dramatic about the future of the game based on comments made on here.
No I'm not, in the space of 10 years, diving has become far more prevalent and we now have fellas defending clear dives or exaggerated reactions to contact, the trend is clear.
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Where's this slow motion replay of the Cavanagh incident which shows minimal contact? He has made that bit up.
QuoteAgain, you're being a little dramatic about the future of the game based on comments made on here.
No I'm not, in the space of 10 years, diving has become far more prevalent and we now have fellas defending clear dives or exaggerated reactions to contact, the trend is clear.
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And theres the problem. People like you jumping in identifying everything as a dive would be much more damaging for the game than not bringing in anything at all - every time anyone fell over they'd be banned for weeks. Teams wouldnt be able to field ffs. If its to be eradicated properly, we need to be able to identify dives, and that you've identified canavan as diving from that clip, i.e throwing himself to the ground unnecessarily, means you're not the man for the job. Anyone whos ever played the game should be able to read what happened there, and it didnt include a dive.
And quit your shite about 'gaa men' would see it as diving. What makes you the voice for 'gaa men?' ;D. As for staying down, how would you determine whether someone stayed down too long? Given that your such a great 'gaa man', have you ever been tossed, fell over, tripped, in a game and not bounced straight back up?? Never been exhausted, no?
I am not defending any form of play acting whether from a Tyrone player or any other.
I am not defending any form of play acting whether from a Tyrone player or any other.
What's your post for then?
I am not defending any form of play acting whether from a Tyrone player or any other.
What's your post for then?
Did you miss it? He was having a go at Meath.
Where's this slow motion replay of the Cavanagh incident which shows minimal contact? He has made that bit up.
He has not made that bit up in the slightest. The red card was rescinded after viewing said video. Still waiting for the Ulster Council to stick it on youtube. If the video showed same as I saw from the stand it was a disgusting act of playacting to get a man sent off. Probably best for Colm it's not ever made public to be honest.
Where's this slow motion replay of the Cavanagh incident which shows minimal contact? He has made that bit up.
He has not made that bit up in the slightest. The red card was rescinded after viewing said video. Still waiting for the Ulster Council to stick it on youtube. If the video showed same as I saw from the stand it was a disgusting act of playacting to get a man sent off. Probably best for Colm it's not ever made public to be honest.
Different Cavanagh. Different incident. Different decade.
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.No cheating in football before 2003. ::)
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.No cheating in football before 2003. ::)
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.
Tyrone are the Apple of Gaelic football. They didn't invent any of the things they're noted for. They just popularised them.
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.No cheating in football before 2003. ::)
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.
Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.No cheating in football before 2003. ::)
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.
Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .
To the Derry wans on this thread, youse are letting youself down a bit. Derry have had a few over the years who liked to "make the most" of physical contact. That said the Tyronies took it to a different level altogether and its a waste of time trying to reason with their supporters. The aul fella calls them the taliban for a reason. We appear to have skipped the worst incident of the lot and that was Dooher against Westmeath in Omagh, I couldnt believe he conned the ref with it.
The goading of Peter Canavan in the 2001 All-Ireland Quarter Final for a start that led to his sending off, along with Tohill punching McAnallen in the earlier Ulster Championship game and getting away with it.When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.No cheating in football before 2003. ::)
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.
Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .
The aul fella calls them the taliban for a reason.That's not the worst of labels I've heard. Wouldn't be a bad idea for us to make all the women in south L/Derry wear Burqas.
The goading of Peter Canavan in the 2001 All-Ireland Quarter Final for a start that led to his sending off, along with Tohill punching McAnallen in the earlier Ulster Championship game and getting away with it.When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.No cheating in football before 2003. ::)
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.
Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .
If I were you I'd be more worried by the fact that Draperstown is now becoming half full of Tyrone natives, alongside the other half turning into xenophobic rednecks.
Bummer,I'm not moving any goalposts. I've already said earlier that goading along with dirty digs and diving/simulation are cancers of the game and I'd rather not see them. But if yer going to see your opponents play dirty, you lose nothing taking them on at their own game.Slap it up them I only wish Fintona were the same to some extent, we're too nice of a team - our more notable "physical" players over the years more often than not have been inward transfers.
You are moving the goalposts somewhat if your starting to include goading, the topic here is diving is it not? Poor aul Peter was well fit for the goading, he preferred to get his retaliation in first on most occassions, and not with taunting either. Jesus if your including one player punching another we will be here from now till Fermanagh win an Ulster Championship, although he didnt punch him either.
BummerBy the way, if you're going to use that name, then you are at least in your thirties or very close to it. So it begs the question of what are you doing going to nightclubs in Cookstown, Omagh or Strabane? Still trying to bag 17 year old O'Neill pussy?
Great to see PTG create such debate even 7 years after he retired from County football. ;D ;Dhttp://youtu.be/e9Kcg_8gK30
BummerBy the way, if you're going to use that name, then you are at least in your thirties or very close to it. So it begs the question of what are you doing going to nightclubs in Cookstown, Omagh or Strabane? Still trying to bag 17 year old O'Neill pussy?
Ah now Fintona we are clearly talking about diving here.Nope. We were talking about Joe Brolly.
If you want to get into goading opposition players there are a few of the 2003 inbreds who could write a book on it!A bit harsh slagging off your own players!
I'm not really getting the Draperstown half full of Tyrone rednecks reference? Would you care to expand on this?It was half Tyronies, half xenophobic rednecks, but hey. Tirruadh is full of Tyrone exiles these days, I was up around the place a couple of days before the NFL2 final between Tyrone & Kildare and the amount of Tyrone flags out were ridiculous! As for the natives being xenophobic rednecks... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15021321 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15021321)
Also is there any particular reason for the name calling/slagging of where we're from? We are trying to have a civilized debate here!Hmmm...
If you want to get into goading opposition players there are a few of the 2003 inbreds who could write a book on it!You couldn't pwn yourself easier if you were Tony Fearon!
And you still haven't given me any examples of Derry players feigning injury or diving!!!!No need! Dirty and unsportsmanlike conduct are my pet hates, which includes - but not limited to - feigning injury or simulation. It's not me being a la carte about playing conduct in the GAA.
Good to see the old Tyrone siege mentality alive and well ...As opposed to the siege mentality that exists among clubs in much of south L/Derry? Pretty legendary across Ireland, only Kerry and Laois club hurling comes close.
BummerBy the way, if you're going to use that name, then you are at least in your thirties or very close to it. So it begs the question of what are you doing going to nightclubs in Cookstown, Omagh or Strabane? Still trying to bag 17 year old O'Neill pussy?
Bummer,
Not like you to slip so badly, read back a few posts and send on your apologies.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
Ah now Fintona we are clearly talking about diving here.Nope. We were talking about Joe Brolly.If you want to get into goading opposition players there are a few of the 2003 inbreds who could write a book on it!A bit harsh slagging off your own players!I'm not really getting the Draperstown half full of Tyrone rednecks reference? Would you care to expand on this?It was half Tyronies, half xenophobic rednecks, but hey. Tirruadh is full of Tyrone exiles these days, I was up around the place a couple of days before the NFL2 final between Tyrone & Kildare and the amount of Tyrone flags out were ridiculous! As for the natives being xenophobic rednecks... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15021321 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15021321)Also is there any particular reason for the name calling/slagging of where we're from? We are trying to have a civilized debate here!Hmmm...If you want to get into goading opposition players there are a few of the 2003 inbreds who could write a book on it!You couldn't pwn yourself easier if you were Tony Fearon!And you still haven't given me any examples of Derry players feigning injury or diving!!!!No need! Dirty and unsportsmanlike conduct are my pet hates, which includes - but not limited to - feigning injury or simulation. It's not me being a la carte about playing conduct in the GAA.Good to see the old Tyrone siege mentality alive and well ...As opposed to the siege mentality that exists among clubs in much of south L/Derry? Pretty legendary across Ireland, only Kerry and Laois club hurling comes close.
So with regard to my very simple and easily worded question you have no examples and have engaged in whataboutery in order to score some cheap points . . . fair enough I suppose I should have understood the level I was dealing with before I asked.Ah, "whataboutery", the defence of the idiot whom when confronted with a critique of their own actions tries to find an excuse but fails. Are you related to Joey Barton by any chance?
PS. Tirruadh isn't in Draperstown ;)That's not what the folk in Straw told me! ;D
I've heard it all now, someone from Fintona calling other people rednecks. ;D ;DPlenty of things that can be negatively associated with Fintona, but I've never seen the natives conduct redneck activity like stopping people to ask where they're from nor the off-licences in the village putting up notices demanding that foreigners must produce ID. Bigotry in general is quite low and cross-community relations are pretty good compared to many other parts of the north. Heck, even the boy racers that often anger more peaceful residents by motoring up and down Main Street at 2 in the morning often be a mix of Taigs and Prods!
The L/Derry inferiority complex has reached epidemic levels. :D
BummerBy the way, if you're going to use that name, then you are at least in your thirties or very close to it. So it begs the question of what are you doing going to nightclubs in Cookstown, Omagh or Strabane? Still trying to bag 17 year old O'Neill pussy?
Bummer,
Not like you to slip so badly, read back a few posts and send on your apologies.QuoteThe funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
Now I know there are some rough elements to parts of these towns on Saturday nights that I'd avoid (though there's c***ts like that in every town with a bit of nightlife beyond a pub, I know from being out in/working at a nightclub in Enniskillen) but these are pretty much restricted to venues that attract sixth formers, young apprentices and some university students - the more "mature" venues don't tend to be plagued as such bar the odd occasion. At least in Omagh anyway. So the only conclusion I can make is that you like to be chasing anything that on Monday to Fridays is in a pleated skirt. Now I don't know about you but I consider myself a bit old for that.
Bummer,Being the civilised and fair person that I am, I now realise that the claim was wrongly attributed to yourself whereas it was ktf93 who was talking about it so I withdraw the accusation made against you and apologise. So as a result what is keepthefaith93 doing chasing 17 year old pussy in Tyrone?
You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
Bummer,Being the civilised and fair person that I am, I now realise that the claim was wrongly attributed to yourself whereas it was ktf93 who was talking about it so I withdraw the accusation made against you and apologise. So as a result what is keepthefaith93 doing chasing 17 year old pussy in Tyrone?
You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
Oh, you noticed? Yeah, pretty bad man who had a very depraved way in dealing with troublesome teens. Doesn't mean I endorse what he did!Bummer,Being the civilised and fair person that I am, I now realise that the claim was wrongly attributed to yourself whereas it was ktf93 who was talking about it so I withdraw the accusation made against you and apologise. So as a result what is keepthefaith93 doing chasing 17 year old pussy in Tyrone?
You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
He's not the one who had an avatar of Josef Fritzl though.
Jayzus, stop typing the word 'pussy'..what age are ye?OK, how about "flange" instead?
Oh, you noticed? Yeah, pretty bad man who had a very depraved way in dealing with troublesome teens. Doesn't mean I endorse what he did!Bummer,Being the civilised and fair person that I am, I now realise that the claim was wrongly attributed to yourself whereas it was ktf93 who was talking about it so I withdraw the accusation made against you and apologise. So as a result what is keepthefaith93 doing chasing 17 year old pussy in Tyrone?
You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
He's not the one who had an avatar of Josef Fritzl though.
Oh, you noticed? Yeah, pretty bad man who had a very depraved way in dealing with troublesome teens. Doesn't mean I endorse what he did!Bummer,Being the civilised and fair person that I am, I now realise that the claim was wrongly attributed to yourself whereas it was ktf93 who was talking about it so I withdraw the accusation made against you and apologise. So as a result what is keepthefaith93 doing chasing 17 year old pussy in Tyrone?
You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
He's not the one who had an avatar of Josef Fritzl though.
Bit in bold is uncannily appropriate for Tyrone followers. But then you know that already.
Bit in bold is uncannily appropriate for Tyrone followers. But then you know that already.Oooh I'm curious! Tell us more Helen Lovejoy...
If Josef Fritzl was from Tyrone he wouldn't be as quick to admit that he is "pretty bad".And if Fritzl was from L/Derry you lot wouldn't think he was a bit of an arsehole because at least he applied his masculine dominance and didn't kill his daughter, eh?
Jaysus, I skipped a few pages and it went from Canavan's Swan Lake to Josef Fritzel? Bizarre twist even for GAABOARD. :)Ah Jaysus AZ I thought I was doing a good job! :P
Anyhow, it was a dive :)
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.No cheating in football before 2003. ::)
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.
Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .
To the Derry wans on this thread, youse are letting youself down a bit. Derry have had a few over the years who liked to "make the most" of physical contact. That said the Tyronies took it to a different level altogether and its a waste of time trying to reason with their supporters. The aul fella calls them the taliban for a reason. We appear to have skipped the worst incident of the lot and that was Dooher against Westmeath in Omagh, I couldnt believe he conned the ref with it.
That is an amazing piece of altruism. I expected to read it was a family member, but it was a clubmate. I'll see Joe in a new light now.
Hoor would do anything for attention.
Hoor would do anything for attention.
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hope that was in jest
Fair play to him. How many of us can honestly say we would do the same?Depends if they were a United supporter or not.
Fair play that is some selfless act,few of us would do that.Amen to that.
Can t believe some are taking this lightly. Don t think this is an opportunity to be funny.
A few days ago I wanted to break his mouth - now I m almost in tears at what he s done. This is not a gesture. It is something most people would only do for family. And even then many could not. Sincerely hope it is successful for the recipient.
And I ll think twice about clobbering Joe when I see him.
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.
Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.
The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.
I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.
Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.
Can t believe some are taking this lightly. Don t think this is an opportunity to be funny.
A few days ago I wanted to break his mouth - now I m almost in tears at what he s done. This is not a gesture. It is something most people would only do for family. And even then many could not. Sincerely hope it is successful for the recipient.
And I ll think twice about clobbering Joe when I see him.
Can t believe some are taking this lightly. Don t think this is an opportunity to be funny.
A few days ago I wanted to break his mouth - now I m almost in tears at what he s done. This is not a gesture. It is something most people would only do for family. And even then many could not. Sincerely hope it is successful for the recipient.
And I ll think twice about clobbering Joe when I see him.
+1 Moysider . This man has made my blood boil so much so much over the past few years , jesus i don't think i have had a good word to say about the man, however what can you say when you read what he has done . Inspirational . I'm trying to imagine would i be able to do what Joe has just done and truth be told i don't think I'd be brave enough .
Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.
An absolute hero. Okay, one part of his life is putting across his views on a game on national tv, naturally hes going to court controversy, but look at the all round picture; one of the most successful barristers in Ireland, a great county player, a superb club player with incredible longevity (played til 42 I think?), fully involved in the club as a coach, always willing to support any event hes asked to, great family man, I could go on, but theres enough there to call him an example to everyone. The only problem is, its very hard to look at this objectively whenever you're within earshot of him ;D
Fair play to Brolly - a selfless act and a huge personal sacrifice.Couldn't agree more
It doesn't change my opinion of him as a disgrace of a "football analyst" in any way though.Couldn't disagree more
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.
Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.
The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.
I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.
Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.
Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.
The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.
I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.
Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.
Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.
The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.
I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.
Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.
Lets not forget that Joe is self employed. If a barrister is not in court he is not earning money, not as big a sacrifice as giving one of his kidneys, but giving up 2 months earnings on top of it adds a bit to Joes sacrifice.
As a pundit he is someone who could be shot with a ball of his own shite over and over again.
As an everyday person though there's not many other acts of selflessness you can do at least if you're not dead from doing so. A brilliant gesture.
What Joe has done is one of the most selfless acts any person could do for another. As the saying goes, to save the life of one man is to save all of humanity.
Brolly gave up his kidney and two months work? W.O.W.
8)unbelievable gesture by Brolly. He is a love hate figure and is a born entertainer. I can see how he upsets people but too many people takes his comments way too serious.
8)unbelievable gesture by Brolly. He is a love hate figure and is a born entertainer. I can see how he upsets people but too many people takes his comments way too serious.
As a Derry man I could never dislike Joe. I can see how he winds people up as well but the bit in bold is very true :)
Great gesture by Joe the person, but Joe the pundit is still a world class w@nker IMHO. Deliberatlely trying to influence the ref the lead up to the AIF with his 28 yellow card comments-absolutely fvcking disgrace
8)unbelievable gesture by Brolly. He is a love hate figure and is a born entertainer. I can see how he upsets people but too many people takes his comments way too serious.
As a Derry man I could never dislike Joe. I can see how he winds people up as well but the bit in bold is very true :)
He takes cheap digs at amateur players and puts the boot in when they're down. There's nothing clever about that.
You just wouldnt want to get on the end of Brollys tongue. He writes brilliantly but when hes on the form he takes everyone out. You could see more teams boycotting interviews over stuff like this.
Brolly is a jerk
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain. People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone. Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo. Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain. People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone. Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo. Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.
I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations" on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose is ........etc.It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain. People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone. Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo. Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.
I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Exactly screenexile. Last year and earlier this year Brolly was laying into Donegal for their unsavoury side and their gamesmanship but like he did with Tyrone back in the noughties he picks who he thinks is gonna win and sticks his colours to their mast.
I bet you now he'll be praising Donegal for the next few years until the next best thing comes along.
Does anyone know how the other pundits get on with him?
It must be tough on his kids going to matches with him nowadays.
That story he told in the Gaelic Life where his young lad was a bit scared from the Cork fans, sums the man up to me. He's more worried about his own ego than other things around him.
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain. People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone. Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo. Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.
I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations" on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose is ........etc.It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain. People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone. Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo. Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.
I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the gleeful grave dancing like the others.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations" on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose is ........etc.It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain. People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone. Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo. Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.
I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the gleeful grave dancing like the others.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations" on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose is ........etc.It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain. People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone. Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo. Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.
I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the gleeful grave dancing like the others.Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations" on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose is ........etc.It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain. People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone. Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo. Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.
I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the gleeful grave dancing like the others.
In all fairness the last time that ref, reffef a Mayo match he gave 3 blatant game changing decisions against Mayo-even Pat Spillane said he was a disgrace after the game. Tack on the fact that he gave the Dubs, more than a few questionable calls the prior year, I think Horan was dead right to make the comments he did. It's one thing for a manager to say it, it's another thing for Brolly to do it a few days before the final. Given his post match rant against Mayo, I think it's quite clear now what his agenda was
I think the man has got a bit carried away with himself on tv to be honest. He appears to think he's of superior intelligence to the other pundits and undermines them like their opinions don't matter. I would guess hs is more intelligent but that makes his opinions no more valid than anyone else and he needs to realise this. He has also went a bit far on mayo as this thread illustrates it. I thought there was an element of sinister ness to his referee rant too though to be honest I thought the ref gave mayo plenty bar the free before the second goal.Cheers.
All that being said the man does so much for charity and what he's done here have to be commended as remarkable acts of human kindness.
So as some have said - as a Tv pundit he's a gobshite but outside that he's clearly a very good hearted man.
So joe if you're reading how about bringing some of that into your punditry rather than being patronising and constantly winding up for the sake of winding up?? give us something insightful like you're capable of...
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations" on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose is ........etc.It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain. People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone. Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo. Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.
I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the gleeful grave dancing like the others.Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations" on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose is ........etc.It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain. People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone. Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo. Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.
I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the gleeful grave dancing like the others.
In all fairness the last time that ref, reffef a Mayo match he gave 3 blatant game changing decisions against Mayo-even Pat Spillane said he was a disgrace after the game. Tack on the fact that he gave the Dubs, more than a few questionable calls the prior year, I think Horan was dead right to make the comments he did. It's one thing for a manager to say it, it's another thing for Brolly to do it a few days before the final. Given his post match rant against Mayo, I think it's quite clear now what his agenda was
+1 (Nail on the head)
Who's moaning??? Donegal won fairnand square and deserved to win. No decision tilted the game,Amen to all that, especially your closing sentiment.
All im saying is in spite of him being a wonderful person for what he did for his friend, as a commentator, I think he's a pr1ck of the highest order
God, that's awful news.
Ah no. That'd break your heart.
some people seem to miss the point with Brolly.
I know him - not well enough to shitetalk about him and name drop like every columnist was doing at the start of the week in the irish news - from heany, tierney and even in the bsuiness section with mcerlane
Astonishing interview with Joe on Marion Finucane this morning.
Astonishing interview with Joe on Marion Finucane this morning. I'll stick up a link when it's available.
Fresh hope in search for kidney donor says Brolly
ALL-Ireland winner Joe Brolly has revealed that three more live donors - including two GAA figures - are lining up to help Shane Finnegan, who needs a kidney transplant.
The former Derry GAA All-Star, now a pundit, donated one of his kidneys to his friend and clubmate Mr Finnegan at the start of last month.
But less than two weeks later, doctors confirmed that the transplant had failed due to a rare blood clot.
Mr Brolly has now revealed that two figures in the GAA are undergoing tests in a Belfast hospital to help save the life of Mr Finnegan.
Another person has also come forward to help the stricken father-of-three find a suitable match.
Mr Finnegan, a PR executive who coaches under-10s GAA with Mr Brolly, is now back on dialysis and desperately needs a kidney.
Mr Brolly said he was very concerned for his friend's future health, adding that he was now helping in the search for a new living donor.
"What's next is that he needs a volunteer. He needs a donor," Mr Brolly told RTE radio.
"Without betraying any confidence, two people have already gone in to be tested in Belfast. Another person is coming to see me next week.
"Two of them are from very, very strong GAA backgrounds and obviously the GAA community has been superb.
"He needs a donor - a living donor. A deceased donor is no good for him. I was just in that miserable one per cent with Shane."
Mr Brolly, a father-of-five who won the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship with Derry in 1993, had made the decision to donate a kidney to Mr Finnegan after having known him only for a short time.
Before the transplant, Mr Finnegan (40) was having dialysis three nights a week for the past six years after suffering kidney failure. He had not told his children of his health problems.
It was the third transplant the father-of-three had undergone, with one having failed after 12 years.
Mr Brolly said he found out that the transplant had failed in a phone call from his friend's "distraught" wife, Catherine Finnegan.
"It was such a miserable finale to something that has been so exultant. I mean obviously it's a miserable situation for me but for Shane's family and for Shane, this was it," he said.
"Everything had been so good and the experts were agreed that this was the best possible situation for them in advance.
"Everything had gone so well for the physical transplant and then for such a small thing to destroy it all was very agonising.
I'd love to have seen him blow a few kisses to the crowd! ;DHe did give them a big (film star) wave at the end.
A living legend is our Joe.
I'd love to have seen him blow a few kisses to the crowd! ;DHe did give them a big (film star) wave at the end.
A living legend is our Joe.
When the camera scanned the audience during the few applauses, more than few could be seen with hands clasped tight and facial expressions of pure hatred.
I'd love to have seen him blow a few kisses to the crowd! ;DHe did give them a big (film star) wave at the end.
A living legend is our Joe.
When the camera scanned the audience during the few applauses, more than few could be seen with hands clasped tight and facial expressions of pure hatred.
Really, hands clasped tight and facial expressions of pure hatred, on a programme filmed in Ulster. Find that hard to believe. He is always singing the praises of Ulster football. If it were filmed in Kerry or Mayo then I would not be surprised.
Nah, if it was a Tyrone infected audience, they would have been asking Joe to give Shane his other kidney.
Joe handled the interview (after walking into such a toxic atmosphere) with consummate ease and that segment was inspirational. Though I thought he looked a bit thin and somewhat haggard, I hope he doesn't have any comebacks on his own health after all the kidney donor experience.
Expect Twitter to break in August some time
https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993)
Expect Twitter to break in August some time
https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993)
Expect Twitter to break in August some time
https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993)
Loved his one from last night -
Joe Brolly @JoeBrolly1993
Just met Michael D Higgins backstage he hadn't a f**king clue who I was
From being such an annoying wee bollix while playing Brolly really is a legend.
So, he picks two games, compares them and comes to a massive conclusion.
I wonder has he watched much of the National League.
Most entertaining league in years.
Most entertaining league in years.
He is not wrong about the Football but he is definitely wrong about the hurling and using the club final as his basis is just plain ridiculous for a so called educated guy.
From the link he basically said the hurling final was poor and the football final was very good which is largely true, did he say anything else?
Prior to 2013, the football championship had, in general, been much more entertaining than the hurling for a number of years.
A couple of epic All-Ireland finals between KK and Tipp masked the truth.
The first time in years that the hurling championship lived up to the hype, the hurling nazis were very quick to look down their nose at football.
There is a but about Colm. I said during 2012 he was, “The greatest first half footballer in the history of the game,” which drove the Kerry ones crazy. I meant he was not a natural warrior leader, in the mould of Canavan, or Trevor Giles or O’Rourke. A snapshot. In the 2005 final, Canavan saw Gooch taking off to join the attack near the end, grabbed him and held him to the ground in a judo hold. Had it been the other way round wee Pete would have hit him so hard Gooch would have imagined he was surrounded. It was the genius versus the warrior genius. Canavan’s personality meant that he refused to accept defeat, whereas Cooper often did. The difference between Federer and Nadal.
"Diarmuid Connolly has spent his short career being pulled down, body checked and spoiled. But opponents can't do that anymore.
"So on St Patrick's Day, the boy finally showed us what he has. Turns out he has everything, and then some more. He augmented his 2-5 from play (both feet and the fist) by catching two kick-outs and setting up 1-3.
"Everything that was great about football was on show as both teams gave it their all and were free to show their skills.
Prior to 2013, the football championship had, in general, been much more entertaining than the hurling for a number of years.Jinxy
A couple of epic All-Ireland finals between KK and Tipp masked the truth.
The first time in years that the hurling championship lived up to the hype, the hurling nazis were very quick to look down their nose at football.
Even at school Joe sought and loved the attention, just now more people hear what he has to say. Bet he looks in here and smiles!I can't believe there are people coming on here and suggesting that Joe Brolly is a self-obsessed, self-serving, egotistical self-publicist whose favourite words in the whole world are 'Joe Brolly.' I'm only saying!!
As long as I get to choose the weapons i.e. an O'Neills size 5 at twenty paces.
In fairness Brolly is admitting that Hurling always was the more entertaining game and that the football was better than the hurling on Paddys day. I would agree with you on both counts Joe.
What Joe Brolly has said in the pastdont like to agree with mike at all,but this is a perfect example of joe schizophrenic Brolly.
http://gaeliclife.com/2014/03/joe-brolly-a-lament-for-the-gooch/ (http://gaeliclife.com/2014/03/joe-brolly-a-lament-for-the-gooch/)QuoteThere is a but about Colm. I said during 2012 he was, “The greatest first half footballer in the history of the game,†which drove the Kerry ones crazy. I meant he was not a natural warrior leader, in the mould of Canavan, or Trevor Giles or O’Rourke. A snapshot. In the 2005 final, Canavan saw Gooch taking off to join the attack near the end, grabbed him and held him to the ground in a judo hold. Had it been the other way round wee Pete would have hit him so hard Gooch would have imagined he was surrounded. It was the genius versus the warrior genius. Canavan’s personality meant that he refused to accept defeat, whereas Cooper often did. The difference between Federer and Nadal.
What Joe Brolly says todayQuote"Diarmuid Connolly has spent his short career being pulled down, body checked and spoiled. But opponents can't do that anymore.
"So on St Patrick's Day, the boy finally showed us what he has. Turns out he has everything, and then some more. He augmented his 2-5 from play (both feet and the fist) by catching two kick-outs and setting up 1-3.
"Everything that was great about football was on show as both teams gave it their all and were free to show their skills.
So when did blatant cheating go from being the sign of a "warrior" to the antithesis of all that is "great about football" ?
One swallow? The club football final has invariably been excellent and many of the semi finals have been good too. The national football leagues, all divisions, are usually outstanding entertainment. The football championship has been, at least, as good as the hurling over the past 10-15 years yet we seem to be in a perpetual state of anxiety over football while any criticism of hurling is frowned upon.
Football has it's issues but most of them are caused by the daftness of the championship structure. Hurling, due to it's small concentrated pool of teams, does pretty well out of the championship but football is destroyed by it.
I agree Johnny. Football has had some problems with teams struggling to adjust to *legal* defensive tactics, but that's a cyclical sort of thing, and I think even last year the we could see the genesis of the next level of attacking play. Even without the black card.
However, I think hurling and football pundits have different mindsets regarding the games they cover, and the games they view. As a coach, I want my team to play to the best of their ability, to display good decision making, and to exhibit good discipline and good technical skill levels.
As a fan, I want to see an exciting game, with a close finish, competitive and intense. Whether the technical abilities of the teams are at a high level or not is moot for me. An exciting Junior club game can give me as much enjoyment as an observer as an exciting inter county game at which I am a neutral.
I think the football pundits, taking their lead from the Eamon Dunphy/Johnny Giles school of analysis, view the games as coaches, and as coaches who have never had a bad team in their lives at that. Their criticism of the skills, the competence or the discipline of the teams is scathing because they feel that is what constitutes analysis.
The hurling pundits can get great joy out of a game between two poor teams, where the finish is close or the intensity and aggression is high. I've seen them laud games as great where lads take two or three touches to get the ball up in their hand, poor striking, bad wides. But it;s a great game because it's close, it's exciting and it's fast paced. They seem to believe that their analysis is primarily getting the message over that they love the game, and try to give reasons for other people to understand and love the game as well.
I can see both approaches being valid in a sense, but the hurling approach is certainly more upbeat and feel good, while the football is too much naval gazing and self loathing at times.
As I've said before, two great games that we should be proud of. That does not mean we can't improve or tweak certain aspects, but to listen to the football commentators you'd swear the football was caveman stuff that nobody should bother their hole even looking at.
I agree Johnny. Football has had some problems with teams struggling to adjust to *legal* defensive tactics, but that's a cyclical sort of thing, and I think even last year the we could see the genesis of the next level of attacking play. Even without the black card.
However, I think hurling and football pundits have different mindsets regarding the games they cover, and the games they view. As a coach, I want my team to play to the best of their ability, to display good decision making, and to exhibit good discipline and good technical skill levels.
As a fan, I want to see an exciting game, with a close finish, competitive and intense. Whether the technical abilities of the teams are at a high level or not is moot for me. An exciting Junior club game can give me as much enjoyment as an observer as an exciting inter county game at which I am a neutral.
I think the football pundits, taking their lead from the Eamon Dunphy/Johnny Giles school of analysis, view the games as coaches, and as coaches who have never had a bad team in their lives at that. Their criticism of the skills, the competence or the discipline of the teams is scathing because they feel that is what constitutes analysis.
The hurling pundits can get great joy out of a game between two poor teams, where the finish is close or the intensity and aggression is high. I've seen them laud games as great where lads take two or three touches to get the ball up in their hand, poor striking, bad wides. But it;s a great game because it's close, it's exciting and it's fast paced. They seem to believe that their analysis is primarily getting the message over that they love the game, and try to give reasons for other people to understand and love the game as well.
I can see both approaches being valid in a sense, but the hurling approach is certainly more upbeat and feel good, while the football is too much naval gazing and self loathing at times.
As I've said before, two great games that we should be proud of. That does not mean we can't improve or tweak certain aspects, but to listen to the football commentators you'd swear the football was caveman stuff that nobody should bother their hole even looking at.
The standard of the football punditry is pretty bad these days. It's all about Brolly point scoring or bigging up what he likes now or Spillane losing the plot with him etc etc. Brolly was reasonaby amusing for a while but not any more.
Hurling you have the likes of Mulcahy, Cusack etc etc who are very insightful and you can't but admire the passion the likes of Farrel has. Football you could barely have any respect for any pundit to be honest.
As you say they are both different games - the two best games about so don't see the need for people who like one better to chastise the other one!
If you say there are no tactics in hurling, then I'm afraid not only are you not a fan, but you just don't understand the game.I understand it, I used to play it
TACTICS don’t play a big part in hurling because the game is so fast and hard it is almost impossible to play to a rigid or set structure for 70 minutes.
Kilkenny selector Martin Fogarty has been part of the backroom team during five successful All-Ireland campaigns, and if the experience taught him one thing it was that hurling is a unique game that produces the best results when played flat out.
“Hurling will always be a simple game because you can’t slow it down, you have to play it at full pace all the time,” suggested the Erin’s Own (Castlecomer) clubman when it was suggested Galway had a fair tactical plan that paid off in the Leinster final.
“They don’t pack their defence as many suggested they did,” he continued. “I was at a couple of their matches this year and they don’t pack their defence any more than anyone else. When they brought an extra man back on Pa Cronin in the semi-final people started taking about football tactics, blanket defence and all that.
“They don’t do that. They play the game more or less the same as any other team, which is actually not planned. You can’t really plan hurling the ball moves around so fast.
“People often make too much of small things in hurling. If there is a 1-on-1 situation in front of goal and a team scores suddenly they have a tactic of pulling out the forwards. You could get a goal with 10 in the square as well.
“I don’t buy into that too much. Games pan out in different ways. People are always talking, always writing and reading things into situations that don’t exist.”
I like Joe, he is by far the most entertaining pundit, like Dunphy or Giles I can't wait to hear what he has to say.
Regarding the Hurling v Football, hurling fans are so precious about their sport, any praise of football and they take it as a dig at hurling.
Personally i'm not a big fan of hurling, I've no problem with people supporting it but it doesn't entertain me, scores are too easy to come by and while many people think this is great it puts me off it. To use an analogy, snooker wouldn't be any better if the pockets were the size of a saucepans and no one ever missed, it takes the tactics out of the sport.
That's not to say I haven't enjoyed a hurling game but despite the skill levels involved in some aspects I see it as a very primitive game, a defender gets it and hits it as far as he can into the forward line, the forward scraps with the defender to take it, if he wins its over the bar if he loses it comes back down the other way. 50 50 balls are acceptable to play in hurling they aren't in football.
There are no tactics in hurling which is one of the main reasons i'm not a fan.
Have to say I quite like Brolly as well. He is quite entertaining and a newspaper publisher's or TV producer's dream.
Own up all you lads who say you don't like him...I bet you couldn't wait to hear what he had to say on TSG the week after his rant about Cavanagh. I dont think I would bother my arse buying the Gaelic Life if him or Cassidy weren't writing in it....(ok I might get it just to see what Poacher the Coacher has to say ;) ;))
He is like Eamonn Dunphy or Stephen Jones...people read or watch what they say to see who they are going to offend next.
Have to say I quite like Brolly as well. He is quite entertaining and a newspaper publisher's or TV producer's dream.
Own up all you lads who say you don't like him...I bet you couldn't wait to hear what he had to say on TSG the week after his rant about Cavanagh. I dont think I would bother my arse buying the Gaelic Life if him or Cassidy weren't writing in it....(ok I might get it just to see what Poacher the Coacher has to say ;) ;))
He is like Eamonn Dunphy or Stephen Jones...people read or watch what they say to see who they are going to offend next.
Brolly, Spillane, Dunphy, Hook et al are on one level, Stephen Jones is at a whole other level. A gobeen so full of dung it near blows the mind
I agree Johnny. Football has had some problems with teams struggling to adjust to *legal* defensive tactics, but that's a cyclical sort of thing, and I think even last year the we could see the genesis of the next level of attacking play. Even without the black card.
However, I think hurling and football pundits have different mindsets regarding the games they cover, and the games they view. As a coach, I want my team to play to the best of their ability, to display good decision making, and to exhibit good discipline and good technical skill levels.
As a fan, I want to see an exciting game, with a close finish, competitive and intense. Whether the technical abilities of the teams are at a high level or not is moot for me. An exciting Junior club game can give me as much enjoyment as an observer as an exciting inter county game at which I am a neutral.
I think the football pundits, taking their lead from the Eamon Dunphy/Johnny Giles school of analysis, view the games as coaches, and as coaches who have never had a bad team in their lives at that. Their criticism of the skills, the competence or the discipline of the teams is scathing because they feel that is what constitutes analysis.
The hurling pundits can get great joy out of a game between two poor teams, where the finish is close or the intensity and aggression is high. I've seen them laud games as great where lads take two or three touches to get the ball up in their hand, poor striking, bad wides. But it;s a great game because it's close, it's exciting and it's fast paced. They seem to believe that their analysis is primarily getting the message over that they love the game, and try to give reasons for other people to understand and love the game as well.
I can see both approaches being valid in a sense, but the hurling approach is certainly more upbeat and feel good, while the football is too much naval gazing and self loathing at times.
As I've said before, two great games that we should be proud of. That does not mean we can't improve or tweak certain aspects, but to listen to the football commentators you'd swear the football was caveman stuff that nobody should bother their hole even looking at.
If you say there are no tactics in hurling, then I'm afraid not only are you not a fan, but you just don't understand the game.I understand it, I used to play it
Martin Fogarty thinks there are no tactics because it's too fast, i think it's because it's too easy to get scoresQuoteTACTICS don’t play a big part in hurling because the game is so fast and hard it is almost impossible to play to a rigid or set structure for 70 minutes.
Kilkenny selector Martin Fogarty has been part of the backroom team during five successful All-Ireland campaigns, and if the experience taught him one thing it was that hurling is a unique game that produces the best results when played flat out.
“Hurling will always be a simple game because you can’t slow it down, you have to play it at full pace all the time,” suggested the Erin’s Own (Castlecomer) clubman when it was suggested Galway had a fair tactical plan that paid off in the Leinster final.
“They don’t pack their defence as many suggested they did,” he continued. “I was at a couple of their matches this year and they don’t pack their defence any more than anyone else. When they brought an extra man back on Pa Cronin in the semi-final people started taking about football tactics, blanket defence and all that.
“They don’t do that. They play the game more or less the same as any other team, which is actually not planned. You can’t really plan hurling the ball moves around so fast.
“People often make too much of small things in hurling. If there is a 1-on-1 situation in front of goal and a team scores suddenly they have a tactic of pulling out the forwards. You could get a goal with 10 in the square as well.
“I don’t buy into that too much. Games pan out in different ways. People are always talking, always writing and reading things into situations that don’t exist.”
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie
Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O’Shea‘s critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.
Brolly’s pithy summation of O’Shea’s critique was that the football panel were the type of people “who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish” as opposed to the more jolly and “big breasted” analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.
However, he did allow O’Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.
In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.
He allowed those who echoed O’Shea’s critique no excuse, saying the tendency to “spoof” rather than “tell the truth” had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will “unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee” before too long
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie
Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O’Shea‘s critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.
Brolly’s pithy summation of O’Shea’s critique was that the football panel were the type of people “who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish” as opposed to the more jolly and “big breasted” analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.
However, he did allow O’Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.
In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.
He allowed those who echoed O’Shea’s critique no excuse, saying the tendency to “spoof” rather than “tell the truth” had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will “unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee” before too long
Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie
Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O’Shea‘s critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.
Brolly’s pithy summation of O’Shea’s critique was that the football panel were the type of people “who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish” as opposed to the more jolly and “big breasted” analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.
However, he did allow O’Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.
In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.
He allowed those who echoed O’Shea’s critique no excuse, saying the tendency to “spoof” rather than “tell the truth” had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will “unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee” before too long
Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....
In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie
Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O’Shea‘s critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.
Brolly’s pithy summation of O’Shea’s critique was that the football panel were the type of people “who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish” as opposed to the more jolly and “big breasted” analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.
However, he did allow O’Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.
In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.
He allowed those who echoed O’Shea’s critique no excuse, saying the tendency to “spoof” rather than “tell the truth” had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will “unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee” before too long
Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....
In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie
Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O’Shea‘s critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.
Brolly’s pithy summation of O’Shea’s critique was that the football panel were the type of people “who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish” as opposed to the more jolly and “big breasted” analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.
However, he did allow O’Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.
In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.
He allowed those who echoed O’Shea’s critique no excuse, saying the tendency to “spoof” rather than “tell the truth” had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will “unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee” before too long
Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....
In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!
That O'Doherty lad was way too hyped up for the length he was on the field. Mad 'tackle' to make when you're on a yellow and O'Shea is not someone that goes down easily.
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.
What has that to do with O'Shea's opinion on Sky? Or Brolly's opinion of O'Shea's opinion?
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.
What has that to do with O'Shea's opinion on Sky? Or Brolly's opinion of O'Shea's opinion?
Nothing, I was responding to the previous post.
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie
Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O’Shea‘s critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.
Brolly’s pithy summation of O’Shea’s critique was that the football panel were the type of people “who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish” as opposed to the more jolly and “big breasted” analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.
However, he did allow O’Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.
In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.
He allowed those who echoed O’Shea’s critique no excuse, saying the tendency to “spoof” rather than “tell the truth” had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will “unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee” before too long
Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....
In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!
That O'Doherty lad was way too hyped up for the length he was on the field. Mad 'tackle' to make when you're on a yellow and O'Shea is not someone that goes down easily.
For a lad his size, he goes down way too easy and way too often.
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.
Disagree, if two players are running at speed towards a ball both players may be committed to shouldering each other at the point they meet but if one decides not to shoulder and instead turned and faced his opponent he would get hit hard in the chest, however, that wouldn't be his opponents fault. That's what happened here more or less. O'Shea by using his outside leg to kick the ball exposed his front to Doherty who was already committed to the shoulder he expected to receive back. Neither player did anything wrong IMO, both went full bloodied in a legitimate way for the ball but because one played the ball and the other was committed to playing the man (within the rules) first, we got that collision.
Disagree, if two players are running at speed towards a ball both players may be committed to shouldering each other at the point they meet but if one decides not to shoulder and instead turned and faced his opponent he would get hit hard in the chest, however, that wouldn't be his opponents fault. That's what happened here more or less. O'Shea by using his outside leg to kick the ball exposed his front to Doherty who was already committed to the shoulder he expected to receive back. Neither player did anything wrong IMO, both went full bloodied in a legitimate way for the ball but because one played the ball and the other was committed to playing the man (within the rules) first, we got that collision.
Actually it is. It must be shoulder too shoulder or else it is a foul.
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.
Nothing wrong if the intent was to lessen O sheas effect byway of assault, you may as well scrap Cards altogether if that was not a yellow. much like the ref did for Black card for most of the match.
Keegan was hauled down when through on goal , exactly the situation the card was introduced for but the ref chickened out
Disagree, if two players are running at speed towards a ball both players may be committed to shouldering each other at the point they meet but if one decides not to shoulder and instead turned and faced his opponent he would get hit hard in the chest, however, that wouldn't be his opponents fault. That's what happened here more or less. O'Shea by using his outside leg to kick the ball exposed his front to Doherty who was already committed to the shoulder he expected to receive back. Neither player did anything wrong IMO, both went full bloodied in a legitimate way for the ball but because one played the ball and the other was committed to playing the man (within the rules) first, we got that collision.
Actually it is. It must be shoulder too shoulder or else it is a foul.
Yes, but if you run in to shoulder me on the shoulder and I turn quickly and face you it isn't your fault that you hit me in the chest because you couldn't, at that stage, stop. You didn't try to hit me in the chest but you couldn't avoid doing so once I turned into you so late. That's what happened in this incident IMO.
We'll have to agree to disagree so.
I wouldn't dispute the foul, just the yellow.It's a yellow for me alright, hitting a man down the middle like that. That's reckless. Although, I suppose, interpretation is key.........again.
it would be a hop ball in a club game.
If that isn't a card, I don't know what it.
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.
A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.
A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...
Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!
Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.
A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...
Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!
Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
Aye right, so for having 'limited ability' eye gouging is acceptable. And as if Dara O'Se and Brolly's word on Clerkin overrides all. I was at the game in Celtic Park too. You're having a laugh with your raking lads heels line stuff. Doherty was at it from the start. The dirty hit on O'Shea and all the ridiculous defense in the aftermath is just a repeat of Derry's holier than thou attitude.
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?I started that...
Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?
Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?
Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.
Need the chairman to step in here and make sure we get back to the original point ... whatever it was !!!!
Think Doherty's challenge was a definite yellow card, his first yellow was not. Ref was inconsistent and Lynn in particular got a lot of 'black' abuse that went unpunished ... and what was Brolly talking about !!!!!!!!!!!
By that rational Doherty had his eyes on a shoulder to shoulder challenge with O'Shea and so should not have been a yellow. ;DHow has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?
Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.
Need the chairman to step in here and make sure we get back to the original point ... whatever it was !!!!
Think Doherty's challenge was a definite yellow card, his first yellow was not. Ref was inconsistent and Lynn in particular got a lot of 'black' abuse that went unpunished ... and what was Brolly talking about !!!!!!!!!!!
The first one looked like a clothes line in real time, but on the replay you could see he had his eyes on the ball so it shouldn't have been a card.
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?I started that...
Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.
The fall out from Sky’s foray into the GAA world continued today as former Cork hurling captain and current RTE analyst Donal Og Cusack wrote in his Irish Examiner column that he agrees with Aidan O’Shea’s assertion that football pundits do little to help improve the image of the game. One line is particular stands out.
It has improved in the last few seasons but mostly football punditry never really gets past the level of “Your jumper is gas Pat but that’s a desperate game of football isn’t it?”
He's tearing in to Donal Og now
http://balls.ie/gaa/joe-brolly-serious-issue-donal-og-cusack/QuoteThe fall out from Sky’s foray into the GAA world continued today as former Cork hurling captain and current RTE analyst Donal Og Cusack wrote in his Irish Examiner column that he agrees with Aidan O’Shea’s assertion that football pundits do little to help improve the image of the game. One line is particular stands out.
It has improved in the last few seasons but mostly football punditry never really gets past the level of “Your jumper is gas Pat but that’s a desperate game of football isn’t it?”
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.
A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...
Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!
Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
Aye right, so for having 'limited ability' eye gouging is acceptable. And as if Dara O'Se and Brolly's word on Clerkin overrides all. I was at the game in Celtic Park too. You're having a laugh with your raking lads heels line stuff. Doherty was at it from the start. The dirty hit on O'Shea and all the ridiculous defense in the aftermath is just a repeat of Derry's holier than thou attitude.
Don't worry Babarino you'll get your chance if yous meet us this summer. Dick Clerkin, if ever a name fitted! For all Ricey or Conor Gormleys faults, at least they could play ball.
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?
As the man is a twitter whore and cant keep his mouth shut
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.
A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...
Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!
Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.
A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...
Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!
Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.
A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...
Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!
Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.
So, what can we do on the discussion boards to check the validity of the Sunday Times story that O'Neills has been outsourcing some of its manufacturing to Bangladesh and to implore the GAA to do something about it if true?
So, what can we do on the discussion boards to check the validity of the Sunday Times story that O'Neills has been outsourcing some of its manufacturing to Bangladesh and to implore the GAA to do something about it if true?
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.
A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...
Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!
Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.
Either you weren't there or you're seriously deluded.
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.
A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...
Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!
Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.
Either you weren't there or you're seriously deluded.
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.
A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...
Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!
Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.
Either you weren't there or you're seriously deluded.
I was there of course and still have the game recorded. Monaghan arrived that day to act the wag(Dick in particular) thinking Derry had a soft under belly and were gonna bully their way to victory. Anyone saying different is a blinkered Monaghan man
Conor Gormley would put manners on both these hard men...
Conor Gormley would put manners on both these hard men...
Why does everyone over 5'10" in Ulster get 'big' stuck in front of their name?
Big Dick, Big Doc, Big Tom etc.
Why does everyone over 5'10" in Ulster get 'big' stuck in front of their name?
Big Dick, Big Doc, Big Tom etc.
the first incident even at the time I thought was a stupid harsh yellow card- but refs make mistakes tooHow has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?
Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.
Need the chairman to step in here and make sure we get back to the original point ... whatever it was !!!!
Think Doherty's challenge was a definite yellow card, his first yellow was not. Ref was inconsistent and Lynn in particular got a lot of 'black' abuse that went unpunished ... and what was Brolly talking about !!!!!!!!!!!
The first one looked like a clothes line in real time, but on the replay you could see he had his eyes on the ball so it shouldn't have been a card.
Gormley, Clerkin, Doherty, O'Neill's, Bangladesh... they're all getting it on the Joe Brolly thread!
Youy didnt do much dishing out when the 2 bradleys ran riot in Monaghan in the following qualfier,whats your excuse there,
For the first time since the invention of the internet we are about to witness a successful Derry team. The inevitable trappings of this cause great fear. If its anything like the tearraces of Clones of the early 90s the GAA board and online community must prepare themselves well for an influx of whinging, narcory and self loathing.
For the first time since the invention of the internet we are about to witness a successful Derry team. The inevitable trappings of this cause great fear. If its anything like the tearraces of Clones of the early 90s the GAA board and online community must prepare themselves well for an influx of whinging, narcory and self loathing.Jeez - just shows how set in the dark ages you tyronies are!!
Did you really?
Whose bitter?
Then wallow in your alcohol imbibed. sweep down bitter memory lane.Whose bitter?
Mine! Mitts off you Monaghan bollix! ;) :P
No Joe ? Working that day ?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/rte-and-sky-reveal-gaa-schedules-ahead-of-opening-weekend-of-live-coverage-30273866.html
who is yer man on the far right ?No Joe ? Working that day ?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/rte-and-sky-reveal-gaa-schedules-ahead-of-opening-weekend-of-live-coverage-30273866.html
Des Cahill looks like has had a spray tan
Seafoid, Martin Carney?
Seafoid, Martin Carney?
Very much so
McStay's a wee squirt!!!
That's totally inappropriate. He's making himself look like an idiot.
Rachel Wyse could tweet back that RTEs panel is a bunch of old, hackneyed, publicity whores - without the baywatch babe.
That's totally inappropriate. He's making himself look like an idiot.
Rachel Wyse could tweet back that RTEs panel is a bunch of old, hackneyed, publicity whores - without the baywatch babe.
He'd have loved that.
I hope she does tweet back.
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.
As long as he keeps raising money for charity and highlighting illness then he can say whatever the hell he likes!!
Get over it.
As long as he keeps raising money for charity and highlighting illness then he can say whatever the hell he likes!!
Get over it.
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.
Google search 'Sky Sports Presenter'
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sky+sports+presenters&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=g258U6KYLIyV7AaFvIGoDw&ved=0CCsQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=896
Get off your high horses. Brolly is merely making a point about the nature of Sky Sports presentation. It's aimed at a primarily male audience.
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.
Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?
So the fact that SKY are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.
So the fact that SKY are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit
No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.
So the fact that SKY are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit
No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.
Right Benny ring Sky there and get Cora Staunton on!!
So the fact that SKY are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit
No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.
Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?
That's the reality, not my opinion.
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.
I don't think that's fair AZ. Sure he said himself it's TV3 plus Baywatch babe and he never had a problem with TV3 having some games. He was against Sky from the start because it was a Murdock corporation and the fact it was behind a paywall. I don't think Brolly gives two hoots about competition.
So the fact that SKY are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit
No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.
So what is it that you find bad about this. The fact she's good looking, Irish or is decent at what she does? Or because she is a she? In my view everything you have described her as is either a positive or neutral. No negatives.She reminds me of Rachel Allen
Put the point is that Brolly, in his inimitable way, has made this point as a sneer. Calling her a 'Baywatch Babe' implies that she hasn't a clue and is ONLY there because she is good looking.
Look, Sky's approach to this is not exactly puritan, I agree. They know that a pretty woman on TV is a positive, whether we like it or not, but all of their presenters appear to have a good grasp of sport, competitive nature and seem to be very professional.
Also, just to say, Brolly is off the mark with the 'entrenched beautiful anchor' formula. Women presenters are not the norm in the Premier League, the Rugby or Rugby League. The beautiful anchor, tends to be a sky sports news, or maybe a highlights show.
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.
Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?
That's the reality, not my opinion.
Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?
So the fact that SKY are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit
No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.
talk about twisting things so suit yourself,because i agreed with brolly on this i am one of his little cheer leaders?grow up ffs,did i say that are incapable of presenting?nope,i said i dont think its a coincidence that they picked a good looking irish girl which by the way is decent at what she does,so actually its you thats comes across as a little bully boy
Also, just to say, Brolly is off the mark with the 'entrenched beautiful anchor' formula. Women presenters are not the norm in the Premier League, the Rugby or Rugby League. The beautiful anchor, tends to be a sky sports news, or maybe a highlights show.
Jeez man would you calm down. You are taking the new PC age a bit too seriously. Brolly is funny articulate, loves the game, highlights the greatness of our games, and exposes the frailties - he also loves to take the p*** and there is no real harm in that.
So the fact that SKY are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit
No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.
talk about twisting things so suit yourself,because i agreed with brolly on this i am one of his little cheer leaders?grow up ffs,did i say that are incapable of presenting?nope,i said i dont think its a coincidence that they picked a good looking irish girl which by the way is decent at what she does,so actually its you thats comes across as a little bully boy
So you "100%" agree that Rachel Wyse only got the job because she was a "Baywatch Babe" and suggest that she hardly got the job for her "indepth knowledge of GAA". So what do you mean by these statements? Do you know much about her background as a sports person and a presenter? Maybe its a coincidence that she got the job because she has the ability, experience and credentials to do it?
By telling everyone that Joe is correct and we should not be so "bloody niave and self righteous" i would suggest that this is cheer leading his position. Then again Joe is so much more intelligent that the rest of us and I should agree with him. Also he does loads for charity too!
Also, just to say, Brolly is off the mark with the 'entrenched beautiful anchor' formula. Women presenters are not the norm in the Premier League, the Rugby or Rugby League. The beautiful anchor, tends to be a sky sports news, or maybe a highlights show.
Jeez man would you calm down. You are taking the new PC age a bit too seriously. Brolly is funny, articulate, loves the game, highlights the greatness of our games, and exposes the frailties - he also loves to take the p*** and there is no real harm in that.
So the fact that SKY are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit
No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.
talk about twisting things so suit yourself,because i agreed with brolly on this i am one of his little cheer leaders?grow up ffs,did i say that are incapable of presenting?nope,i said i dont think its a coincidence that they picked a good looking irish girl which by the way is decent at what she does,so actually its you thats comes across as a little bully boy
So you "100%" agree that Rachel Wyse only got the job because she was a "Baywatch Babe" and suggest that she hardly got the job for her "indepth knowledge of GAA". So what do you mean by these statements? Do you know much about her background as a sports person and a presenter? Maybe its a coincidence that she got the job because she has the ability, experience and credentials to do it?
By telling everyone that Joe is correct and we should not be so "bloody niave and self righteous" i would suggest that this is cheer leading his position. Then again Joe is so much more intelligent that the rest of us and I should agree with him. Also he does loads for charity too!
You know what your 100% right,how dare i have a different opinion than yourself,and your comment at the end says it all really.
So the fact that SKY are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit
Also, just to say, Brolly is off the mark with the 'entrenched beautiful anchor' formula. Women presenters are not the norm in the Premier League, the Rugby or Rugby League. The beautiful anchor, tends to be a sky sports news, or maybe a highlights show.
Jeez man would you calm down. You are taking the new PC age a bit too seriously. Brolly is funny articulate, loves the game, highlights the greatness of our games, and exposes the frailties - he also loves to take the p*** and there is no real harm in that.
He's not funny, he is boring and predictable, saying whatever it takes to get a rise or a reaction. His comments are out of line, although not surprising, since Sky are a rival who could do damage to his employer.
I really don't know how anyone that has such a bad habit of talking over others can be described as articulate.
So the fact that SKY are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit
Sure that's just nonsense - Were Michael Lyster, matt Cooper, Des etc selected for their indepth GAA knowledge?
Brolly back tracked and made his "point" after he was pulled on the original sexist comment
So the fact that SKY are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit
Sure that's just nonsense - Were Michael Lyster, matt Cooper, Des etc selected for their indepth GAA knowledge?
Brolly back tracked and made his "point" after he was pulled on the original sexist comment
He might have meant it as an insult but calling her a baywatch babe isn't the worst thing she will be called. I'll bet a lot of girls would be openly offended at the sexist comment but secretly a little chuffed.
Ah sure isn't Joe great craic altogether? ::)
He might have meant it as an insult but calling her a baywatch babe isn't the worst thing she will be called. I'll bet a lot of girls would be openly offended at the sexist comment but secretly a little chuffed.
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/sky-sports-make-yet-another-blunder/
Its this sort of sh**e that annoys me. RTE and every other broadcaster have made blunders for years (a quick google search reveals that on RTE radio [a more formal and should be trustworthy medium than twitter], they gave out two wrong hurling results a few weeks ago), but not a word. I resent the targetting of Sky, and of course Brolly is stuck in the middle of it.
He may be self-obsessed, but he is bright, articulate, and can be funny, I'd find it a lot easier to listen to his impassioned speeches though if the hyperbole better hid the fact that his convictions change on a weekly basis. The realisation of this alone should be enough for us not to take him at all seriously.
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.
Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?
That's the reality, not my opinion.
Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?
Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.
Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?
That's the reality, not my opinion.
Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?
Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.
What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?
I'm with Joe on this one. There are a few pubs around me that I wouldn't dream to set foot in if it wasn't for the barmaids.
Same thing here with Sky.
I'm with Joe on this one. There are a few pubs around me that I wouldn't dream to set foot in if it wasn't for the barmaids.
Same thing here with Sky.
You wouldn't watch Sky if they didn't have attractive female sports news readers? What live sports on Sky are anchored by a woman? I know the soccer highlights show, Saturday choice or whatever it's called, is presented by a woman a lot, but the Rugby, the Premier League, FL72, Boxing, etc. are all anchored by a man as far as I know. Rachel Wyse is probably breaking new ground here actually.
You wouldn't watch Sky if they didn't have attractive female sports news readers?
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.
Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?
That's the reality, not my opinion.
Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?
Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.
What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.
I don't think that's fair AZ. Sure he said himself it's TV3 plus Baywatch babe and he never had a problem with TV3 having some games. He was against Sky from the start because it was a Murdock corporation and the fact it was behind a paywall. I don't think Brolly gives two hoots about competition.
TV3 were never going to be competition for Brolly. The disdain he treats the viewers, and the amateur players he is supposed to enjoy watching, are symptomatic of what I believe to be a serious superiority complex on Joe's behalf. No one is as clever, as witty or as insightful as Joe. Tv3, with their small budget and limited reach were never going to be anything other than a second division irrelevance to him. Sky are a different animal, and if they decide to do it right, or if they get positive viewer feedback, he knows they can completely change the face of TV presentation of GAA, including our tired, stale, cynical analysts. I think it's very unlikely that Joe feels that RTE are in an unassailable position any more, and if Sky make inroads and RTE realise they have to lift their game, the performance of Brolly and Spillane, especially, will be something the Head of Sport looks at first off.
Of course if Joe can influence public perception of Sky and make a laugh out of it, or if Sky do a bad job of it, then RTE's position becomes even stronger, and Joe has a mandate to keep on keeping on for years to come. I think that would be a real pity.
I'm with Joe on this one. There are a few pubs around me that I wouldn't dream to set foot in if it wasn't for the barmaids.
Same thing here with Sky.
You wouldn't watch Sky if they didn't have attractive female sports news readers? What live sports on Sky are anchored by a woman? I know the soccer highlights show, Saturday choice or whatever it's called, is presented by a woman a lot, but the Rugby, the Premier League, FL72, Boxing, etc. are all anchored by a man as far as I know. Rachel Wyse is probably breaking new ground here actually.
no theres a lady who presents the golf quite alot
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.
Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?
That's the reality, not my opinion.
Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?
Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.
What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?
Cliona Foley?
I've seen her on telly a good few times.
She was on Breaking Ball before, as well as the Marty Morrissey thing that runs during the championship.
not Sky Sports News now
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.
Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?
That's the reality, not my opinion.
Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?
Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.
What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?
Cliona Foley?
I've seen her on telly a good few times.
She was on Breaking Ball before, as well as the Marty Morrissey thing that runs during the championship.
That's the one. And you've made Joe's point there. You might see her on the odd show every couple of years but you'll never find her presenting on Sky.
not Sky Sports News now
LOL. Indeed, not.
Ah sure isn't Joe great craic altogether? ::)
Don Cherry has said worse ;)
What?? Croi, I think you're off base on this one. Sky Sports News is where women generally present on Sky Sports. Joe Brolly's position is starting from an incorrect position to begin with. So he's picking on Rachel Wyse explicitly and specifically. There are no (or very few) other women on Sky Sports who present live Sport in this way.
And I think you are giving his motivation far too much credit in my opinion, but you could be right.
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.
Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?
That's the reality, not my opinion.
Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?
Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.
What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?
Cliona Foley?
I've seen her on telly a good few times.
She was on Breaking Ball before, as well as the Marty Morrissey thing that runs during the championship.
That's the one. And you've made Joe's point there. You might see her on the odd show every couple of years but you'll never find her presenting on Sky.
When did that become the height of any woman's aspirations?
I do laugh at the comments people make about Brolly and how you cant understand blaa blaa etc etc. Brolly stands in court each day defending all types of people from murders, violent crime, asking brutal questions, hearing brutal stories, trying to find angles to get sentences reduces or get them off etc. A world we know nothing of. When you put what he deals with daily, a throw away comment is hardly going to tax his conscience, the way it might for you or I.
What?? Croi, I think you're off base on this one. Sky Sports News is where women generally present on Sky Sports. Joe Brolly's position is starting from an incorrect position to begin with. So he's picking on Rachel Wyse explicitly and specifically. There are no (or very few) other women on Sky Sports who present live Sport in this way.
And I think you are giving his motivation far too much credit in my opinion, but you could be right.
Ah I know he's only throwing out the comment as a dig and for a bit of devilment, it's his position in relation to Sky that I respect, if not totally agree with.
I've had a pint with the man and been at a roadshow he was on and he couldn't give a monkeys if the analyst job ended tomorrow. He probably doesn't take it as seriously as the rest of us want him to take it if anything.
I do laugh at the comments people make about Brolly and how you cant understand blaa blaa etc etc. Brolly stands in court each day defending all types of people from murders, violent crime, asking brutal questions, hearing brutal stories, trying to find angles to get sentences reduces or get them off etc. A world we know nothing of. When you put what he deals with daily, a throw away comment is hardly going to tax his conscience, the way it might for you or I.
How's it going Joe?
Some people on here take themselves way too seriously.
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.
I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.
Some people on here take themselves way too seriously.
Is there a term for a group of male feminists?
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.
I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.
He's an attention seeking pain in the arse as a GAA pundit, and if he truly doesn't care about his analyst gig, then he's an even bigger tool about it that I thought, because that means he's just being controversial to wind people up, not to increase his profile. I don't believe it though. I think he loves the media profile.
Why do you think EVERY RTE GAA pundit has come out against the Sky deal in their various media outlets? Do all of them share the opinion that it's doing down the people who want to see the games live, even if RTE maintain their quota of games? I didn't realise they loved TV3 that much, even though a fair proportion of Ulster can't get TV3. My arse. It's because they are worried Sky will change the landscape, and they'll be put out to grass.
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.
I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.
I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.
Kinda missing the point, wouldn't you say?
The point, BTW, is that Brolly is a tosspot.
I haven't heard that phrase used since "War of the Buttons".Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.
I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.
Kinda missing the point, wouldn't you say?
The point, BTW, is that Brolly is a tosspot.
Why do you think EVERY RTE GAA pundit has come out against the Sky deal in their various media outlets? Do all of them share the opinion that it's doing down the people who want to see the games live, even if RTE maintain their quota of games? I didn't realise they loved TV3 that much, even though a fair proportion of Ulster can't get TV3. My arse. It's because they are worried Sky will change the landscape, and they'll be put out to grass.Sure isn't it all a pantomime anyway? I wonder how confident Sky are of getting this thing to work.
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.
I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.
Kinda missing the point, wouldn't you say?
The point, BTW, is that Brolly is a tosspot.
I doubt that Joe has any agenda to maintain his punditry profile, he already has a profile and a full (almost respectable :)) life outside rte and he doesn't need it. He acts the ass because most probably that's what he does on occasion. He lacks some of the social graces, not because he has some agenda to maintain his profile but probably because his social graces get swamped by his lower standards, on occasion.He's an attention seeking pain in the arse as a GAA pundit, and if he truly doesn't care about his analyst gig, then he's an even bigger tool about it that I thought, because that means he's just being controversial to wind people up, not to increase his profile. I don't believe it though. I think he loves the media profile.
That's one way to look at it. Another is that he's being true to himself and not being all happy clappy for the cameras.Why do you think EVERY RTE GAA pundit has come out against the Sky deal in their various media outlets? Do all of them share the opinion that it's doing down the people who want to see the games live, even if RTE maintain their quota of games? I didn't realise they loved TV3 that much, even though a fair proportion of Ulster can't get TV3. My arse. It's because they are worried Sky will change the landscape, and they'll be put out to grass.
I haven't read what O'Rourke and Spillane have had to say on the matter, mainly because their columns don't interest me. I'm no doubt some are fighting RTE's battle to preserve their status but I firmly believe that's not Brolly's motivation.
On a different matter Parkinson fairly won that argument, there's a first for everything.
I would have expected better from Joe as he has been trained to make rational arguments and that's his main job.
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.
Stand up for buck ugly women I say.
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.
Stand up for buck ugly women I say.
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.
Stand up for buck ugly women I say.
Brian Moore is rarely on camera. Legendary players like the Claw and Gaillimh don't present TV programmes either. 'A face for radio' applies to men too.
Get over it ffs! Joe made a joke in bad taste, big wow. A bit of cop on would do no harm
Get over it ffs! Joe made a joke in bad taste, big wow. A bit of cop on would do no harm
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.
Stand up for buck ugly women I say.
Brian Moore is rarely on camera. Legendary players like the Claw and Gaillimh don't present TV programmes either. 'A face for radio' applies to men too.
How does Marty circumvent this unwritten rule then?
RTE have allegedly issued a statement distancing themselves from Brolly's comments and asked him to stop making such comments.
And as for Cliona Foley, like a lot of journalists, her focus is on her day job, not Tv. To suggest her not appearing on TV more is some sexist conspiracy is actually fairly reductive of her very successful career as a sports writer, and in itself, sexist. Not every woman is dying to be on TV.
You can have a sense of humour and still call out Joe for a horribly misjudged and sexist comment. He should know better. We all should.
And as for Cliona Foley, like a lot of journalists, her focus is on her day job, not Tv. To suggest her not appearing on TV more is some sexist conspiracy is actually fairly reductive of her very successful career as a sports writer, and in itself, sexist. Not every woman is dying to be on TV.
You can have a sense of humour and still call out Joe for a horribly misjudged and sexist comment. He should know better. We all should.
What were the "Animal Farm" comments heffo?
Croi the inference I was taking from your comments re Cliona Foley was that the reason she is never on TV is because she might not be considered as attractive as Rachel Wyse. If I was wrong to take it as that, I apologise, but I wasn't the only one to read your post that way. On the mobile so I can't do the whole quote thing. Not important anyway, brolly's comments are the thing. btw his apology was absolutely pathetic - I think he has really damaged his credibility - wouldn't be surprised if he had to sit out a few Sundays.
What were the "Animal Farm" comments heffo?Without quoting them verbatim, the jist of it was that he implied certain people in Croke park were like the pigs in Animal farm - he deleted the tweets and apologised over it.
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.
Basically, what you're saying is Cliona Foley is not pretty enough for Sky. Is that it?
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.
Basically, what you're saying is Cliona Foley is not pretty enough for Sky. Is that it?
In Sky's eyes, yes, she doesn't meet their formula.
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.
Basically, what you're saying is Cliona Foley is not pretty enough for Sky. Is that it?
In Sky's eyes, yes, she doesn't meet their formula.
What is Sky's formula, for presenting live sport?
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.
I haven't got the time nor the inclination to research that. To take a name introduced a few pages pack, if Clare Balding was starting her career now, do you think she'd get a job with Sky?
What I want in a presenter is someone who's able to tease answers out of difficult interviewees and ask the tough questions. Take for example Clare McNamara interviewing Brian Cody last summer. She was able to get him to finally give his opinion on whether he thought the referee was right to award a free in a particular incident or not. Now contrast that with Marty Morrissey nearly getting levelled at the end of the 2009 All Ireland final by him. Now if they have a face for telly and are able to read an auto cue on top of that, well that's a bonus, but they should be the last criteria, not the first.
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.
I haven't got the time nor the inclination to research that. To take a name introduced a few pages pack, if Clare Balding was starting her career now, do you think she'd get a job with Sky?
What I want in a presenter is someone who's able to tease answers out of difficult interviewees and ask the tough questions. Take for example Clare McNamara interviewing Brian Cody last summer. She was able to get him to finally give his opinion on whether he thought the referee was right to award a free in a particular incident or not. Now contrast that with Marty Morrissey nearly getting levelled at the end of the 2009 All Ireland final by him. Now if they have a face for telly and are able to read an auto cue on top of that, well that's a bonus, but they should be the last criteria, not the first.
Come on now. That's a cop out. You said this is Sky's formula, therefore it should be very easy. I'm not picking on you, but it's just another example of how people believe stuff like this without considering the motivation behind it. Just because Joe says it's the Sky formula, doesn't make it so.
Sky Sports News is wide open to that charge, no argument, but Sky's presentation of live sport is almost the polar opposite. If anything it's a closed shop for Women, and Rachel Wyse is doing something quite rare.
BBC and ITV have more live sports presented by women than Sky, I'd bet on that.
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.
golf
The walk on girls?? Are you saying that Rachel Wyse's role is comparable to the Darts girls? Lads, ye're losing the plot. Joe Brolly said that Sky's formula is basically a Baywatch Babe and a few analysts. Anyone looking at their presentation of Live sport will know that that is just not the case.
Joanne Cantwell and Máire Treasa Ní Dhubhghail on TG4 are comparable roles to what Rachel Wyse will be doing. Are they adhering to some 'formula' as well?
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.
If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.
Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.
But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.
If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.
Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.
But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.
Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.
If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.
Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.
But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.
Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.
So Joe is forced to say sorry like a 4 year old would in school. He's right and everyone knows he's right. Can we expect a phony Tiger Woods-type apology now?
So Joe is forced to say sorry like a 4 year old would in school. He's right and everyone knows he's right. Can we expect a phony Tiger Woods-type apology now?
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When he loses an argument to Parkinson (not even Michael but Colm) he can hardly be classed as right.
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.
If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.
Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.
But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.
Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.
OK. Now I get what you're saying. That is different to what Brolly is saying.
Brolly says their formula is to have a baywatch babe presenting, this is not true.
Your point is that if there *IS* a woman presenting or within camera shot of a Sky Sports camera, she has to be a babe. Now that I haven't checked, but at least I could accept that that is more likely. Again though, as others have said, are there many women on TV who do not fall into that category? Certainly the women on RTE and TG4 I mentioned before wouldn't look out of place on Sky Sports. That seems to be an industry approach rather than a Sky Sports 'Exclusive' :D
Ah "relax"- classic trollism. Well played.
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.
If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.
Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.
But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.
Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.
OK. Now I get what you're saying. That is different to what Brolly is saying.
Brolly says their formula is to have a baywatch babe presenting, this is not true.
Your point is that if there *IS* a woman presenting or within camera shot of a Sky Sports camera, she has to be a babe. Now that I haven't checked, but at least I could accept that that is more likely. Again though, as others have said, are there many women on TV who do not fall into that category? Certainly the women on RTE and TG4 I mentioned before wouldn't look out of place on Sky Sports. That seems to be an industry approach rather than a Sky Sports 'Exclusive' :D
Jesus, I should hope it is different to what was Brolly was saying. Sky take it to extremes though, like I said, I could never imagine Clare Balding starting off her career there.
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating ,
:)Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating ,
Ever been to Lavey?
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!
Can someone post pictures of all these female presenters so we can give them marks out of ten? Cheers.Yeah, if we're going to have a "Baywatch Babe", we may as well pick our own.
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!
Nothing wrong with her strong Kildare accent!!!
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!
Nothing wrong with her strong Kildare accent!!!
This will get your motor running Dinny.
Can someone post pictures of all these female presenters so we can give them marks out of ten? Cheers.Yeah, if we're going to have a "Baywatch Babe", we may as well pick our own.
Is Aine from Sligo up to much these days?
Don't mind Roz... Now here's a woman...road frontage and all.
unless D4 now extends into the curragh....Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!
Nothing wrong with her strong Kildare accent!!!
It's ironic that Joe has managed to transform a minor newsworthy story, a very missable publicity event on the scale of events in Ireland, into a hailstorm of publicity for Sky GAA.
What are the odds that Joe will be sitting in the Sky Sports studio as a pundit one day?
You know she can present GAA if she well capable, but i have doubts she could name the Dublin midfield, who Mark Poland plays for, whos martin Dunne etc, could she name the players of her own county?
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.She shouldn't be near GAA at all.
Maybe women are supposed to be able to double up as analysts and presenters.The job of the presenter is to get the chat flowing. A bit like Gaybo interviewing Padraig Flynn.
Maybe women are supposed to be able to double up as analysts and presenters.
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.
She's Irish and a consummate professional TV sports presenter. What GAA credentials has Brian carney?
She's Irish and a consummate professional TV sports presenter. What GAA credentials has Brian carney?
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.
On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.
On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?
I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment
jesusSo? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.
On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?
I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.
On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?
I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?
Who is Martin Dunne?
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.
On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?
I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment
jesusSo? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.
On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?
I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.
On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?
I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?
jesus man dont be going all defensive,i am only asking proacative questions,devils advocat if you like.
for the record i am all for sky and what they bring to the table regarding gaa (especially after watching the highlights rte gave of the tyrone down game last night with commentary which was very obvious that it was done after the match in a studio) and no i certainly would not want niall quinn instaed of rachel,thats what really winds me up on this board,dare to have a different opinion and its turns into a slagging match,very mature
To be totally honest I'd love if the two of them had a once off challenge match now as a taster and then the real McCoy was to happen in Sept
What a pity as I'd love to see that as the AI final.
Is Kerry v Dubs a possibility?
What a pity as I'd love to see that as the AI final.
Is Kerry v Dubs a possibility?
WTF is Burns on about?
This appears to be his argument: I would like to see it become established policy. I think it's right that, outside of All-Ireland finals, all replays should be taken out of Croke Park to give other venues an opportunity," said Burns. "I don't like the idea of so many games being played at a half-full Croke Park. I think the atmosphere of a packed provincial ground should be tapped into more.
In conclusion we should abandon Croke Park 'to give other venues an opportunity'. Really? Is that the overriding priority? Other grounds need opportunities so we will move ad hoc fixtures to these grounds? What about the players? What about those who prepare the teams and what about the supporters? No mention of any of these by Burns.
We have Provincial games at provincial grounds.
We have qualifiers at provincial grounds.
We (usually) have the serious business in Croke Park.
We know that Croke Park can take the crowds.
Unexpected Saturday fixtures in Provincial Grounds will have unintended consequences.
At this stage, outside of the final or maybe a big semi-final match-up, I don't think Croke Park should be used during the Leinster championship.
Regardless of what happens this year, the crowds for Dublin games are only going one way as people are tired of watching non-contests.
Inject a bit of novelty, send more games to Tullamore, Portlaoise, Navan etc.
I've never bought into this craic of players having the automatic right to play in Croke Park.
You should have to earn the right to play there.
Personally, Tullamore is my favourite 'neutral' venue in Leinster and I'd love to go to more games there.
I hate watching matches in Croker when its only half full. Even last week, the top tier was empty at one of the biggest days of the year - it looks very bad. It is nonsense to have built a stadium to cater for your biggest possible crowd, rather than your average expected crowd. Its built now though, so I suppose it has to be used, but imo the games would benefit from being played all round the country in tighter stadia.Me too. Very little atmosphere.
I hate watching matches in Croker when its only half full. Even last week, the top tier was empty at one of the biggest days of the year - it looks very bad. It is nonsense to have built a stadium to cater for your biggest possible crowd, rather than your average expected crowd. Its built now though, so I suppose it has to be used, but imo the games would benefit from being played all round the country in tighter stadia.
I hate watching matches in Croker when its only half full. Even last week, the top tier was empty at one of the biggest days of the year - it looks very bad. It is nonsense to have built a stadium to cater for your biggest possible crowd, rather than your average expected crowd. Its built now though, so I suppose it has to be used, but imo the games would benefit from being played all round the country in tighter stadia.
There was a decent crowd in Croker last Sunday (only Semple could accommodate that number, I think?) and there was definitely nothing lost in atmosphere for it not being at capacity.
Leinster double-header matches tend to draw small crowds and it makes for a very poor atmosphere. Same with a lot of the double-headers in the qualifiers, would be better off in a provincial venue
Whos talking about short notice? And by choking, do you mean 'spreading revenue amongst'? Say what you want, unless a stadium is full the atmosphere suffers. Its built now, it'll have to be used, but it seems to have been like Celtic Tiger houses, f**king massive for no good reason.
I used to watch Aussie Rules on tg4 and think how s**te it must be if all their stadiums are half empty, it took me only a little time to realise our own half empty stadium no doubt puts out the same impression.
Whos talking about short notice? And by choking, do you mean 'spreading revenue amongst'? Say what you want, unless a stadium is full the atmosphere suffers. Its built now, it'll have to be used, but it seems to have been like Celtic Tiger houses, f**king massive for no good reason.Good point, the problem is not really a half full Croke Park, its all these fecken white elephants around the country used once a year that have put county boards in debt. Tis like the mid 00's, everyone had to have a holiday home.
I used to watch Aussie Rules on tg4 and think how s**te it must be if all their stadiums are half empty, it took me only a little time to realise our own half empty stadium no doubt puts out the same impression.
Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.
Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.
Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
I hope Joe will also be speaking out against sponsor's names on jerseys. And sponsors of competitions. And team holidays. And the professional administration and others employed by the GAA such as Games Development Officers. And the corporate money that helped to build Croke Park. And anything like that.
"We need to look at what amateur means, what our ideals are," said Brolly. "What do we believe in - do we believe in any of our core values any more? Decisions are being made behind closed doors and even officials from county boards don't know about them. They are done, we are told, for commercial reasons. But there is a general feeling among many that the commercial juggernaut has left the station.
"What you are seeing is that the GAA is slowly but surely drifting towards capitalism. I have made this point repeatedly and, talking to some high-ranking officials, they feel the same way."
Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.
Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
You've the local knowledge. You tell me. Does the N5 go through any small towns?Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.
Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
You are the self-proclaimed expert, you should know.
You've the local knowledge. You tell me. Does the N5 go through any small towns?Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.
Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
You are the self-proclaimed expert, you should know.
Thanks. Admitting I'm right is a start for you.
I wouldn't presume to lecture such a cartographical colossus as yourself.
By the way, is the N5 the only way to Dublin from Mayo?
Thanks. Admitting I'm right is a start for you.
I wouldn't presume to lecture such a cartographical colossus as yourself.
By the way, is the N5 the only way to Dublin from Mayo?
You'll have noticed from a post I made on another thread that I mentioned the N60. Now, seeing as you say there's more than way from Mayo to Dublin, I'll take it you have the N60 in mind. Do tell us, with your unrivalled local knowledge, does this wonderful, wide road go through any small towns itself?
Hell, if you were so inclined and from a southerly part of Mayo, you could even go to Galway first and travel to Dublin along the whole length of the M6. Now I'll take the lead here with my local knowledge of routes out of Galway. Galway is not nearer to Dublin than Limerick is. In fact you'll find it's a full 70 miles further away.
Convenience, eh?
Oh, but what about this huge amount of extra support Mayo would bring to Croke Park, you know all the people who can't go now that it's in Limerick?Thanks. Admitting I'm right is a start for you.
I wouldn't presume to lecture such a cartographical colossus as yourself.
By the way, is the N5 the only way to Dublin from Mayo?
You'll have noticed from a post I made on another thread that I mentioned the N60. Now, seeing as you say there's more than way from Mayo to Dublin, I'll take it you have the N60 in mind. Do tell us, with your unrivalled local knowledge, does this wonderful, wide road go through any small towns itself?
Hell, if you were so inclined and from a southerly part of Mayo, you could even go to Galway first and travel to Dublin along the whole length of the M6. Now I'll take the lead here with my local knowledge of routes out of Galway. Galway is not nearer to Dublin than Limerick is. In fact you'll find it's a full 70 miles further away.
Convenience, eh?
Wow, that would dilute the match traffic, wouldn't it? See, 3 different ways for the match traffic to go, and that is only the supporters who don't take the train which further dilutes things. Add to that the fact that the N5 is a National Primary Route with only a handful of towns on it, some so small they don't even have traffic lights and don't cause delays and you are laughing.
But of course traffic will all merge on the way to Limerick. Have you got this bit yet?
That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?And the last 63km into Limerick s motorway too.
That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?
Agreed. No point embarrassing yourself even further.That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?
Of course it is.
Not much point continuing.
Agreed. No point embarrassing yourself even further.That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?
Of course it is.
Not much point continuing.
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.
Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.
What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.
Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.
What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
Aw diddums. Dublin supporter being late insult. That cuts deep, real deep. Don't go all primary school on me, now. If it's any consolation to you I'll do my best to drag my coke-addled body out of Quinn's and down Clonliffe Road after the Aston Villa-Hull match on Sunday in time for kick-off at Croke Park. Woops, nearly forgot - throw in - it's a throw-in in Gaaaah.I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.
Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.
What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.
BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)
An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.
Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.
Aw diddums. Dublin supporter being late insult. That cuts deep, real deep. Don't go all primary school on me, now. If it's any consolation to you I'll do my best to drag my coke-addled body out of Quinn's and down Clonliffe Road after the Aston Villa-Hull match on Sunday in time for kick-off at Croke Park. Woops, nearly forgot - throw in - it's a throw-in in Gaaaah.I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.
Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.
What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.
BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)
An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.
Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.
Given that you think the road from Dublin to Waterville goes through Newry, you're definitely right to be worried about getting from wherever in Mayo you live to Limerick. Hint: don't go through Derry.
Terribly upset.Aw diddums. Dublin supporter being late insult. That cuts deep, real deep. Don't go all primary school on me, now. If it's any consolation to you I'll do my best to drag my coke-addled body out of Quinn's and down Clonliffe Road after the Aston Villa-Hull match on Sunday in time for kick-off at Croke Park. Woops, nearly forgot - throw in - it's a throw-in in Gaaaah.I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.
Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.
What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.
BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)
An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.
Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.
Given that you think the road from Dublin to Waterville goes through Newry, you're definitely right to be worried about getting from wherever in Mayo you live to Limerick. Hint: don't go through Derry.
You are the one advising about leaving enough time to get to Limerick. And then you get all upset when the obvious home run is struck on that one.
Aw diddums. Dublin supporter being late insult. That cuts deep, real deep. Don't go all primary school on me, now. If it's any consolation to you I'll do my best to drag my coke-addled body out of Quinn's and down Clonliffe Road after the Aston Villa-Hull match on Sunday in time for kick-off at Croke Park. Woops, nearly forgot - throw in - it's a throw-in in Gaaaah.I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.
Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.
What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.
BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)
An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.
Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.
Given that you think the road from Dublin to Waterville goes through Newry, you're definitely right to be worried about getting from wherever in Mayo you live to Limerick. Hint: don't go through Derry.
You are the one advising about leaving enough time to get to Limerick. And then you get all upset when the obvious home run is struck on that one.
Well, it is Gay Pride day in Limerick on Saturday so I suppose it would be rude not to get into the spirit of things.
Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other
Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other
Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other
That says a lot more about you than anyone else.
saturday might be the first taste this year for some back-door action for Kerry
Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other
That says a lot more about you than anyone else.saturday might be the first taste this year for some back-door action for Kerry
NaomhBridAbu is definitely coming out of the closet in a big way.
You go girl !
Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other
That says a lot more about you than anyone else.saturday might be the first taste this year for some back-door action for Kerry
NaomhBridAbu is definitely coming out of the closet in a big way.
You go girl !
Mike if your ma wants it in the closet, you am i to disappoint?
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week
I never really minded Joe but he needs to get back to what works best.
He seems to think that every point he makes now is a monumental moment. Pat interrupted him last week mid-monumental-point and he huffed like a child.
Joe is good but is starting to grate a bit.
I never really minded Joe but he needs to get back to what works best.
He seems to think that every point he makes now is a monumental moment. Pat interrupted him last week mid-monumental-point and he huffed like a child.
Joe is good but is starting to grate a bit.
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week
brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out
They have contributors with reasoned and analytical opinions on the game. RTE serve up dirge. Pre ordained and inevitable market share is not any commentary on quality
They have contributors with reasoned and analytical opinions on the game. RTE serve up dirge. Pre ordained and inevitable market share is not any commentary on quality
RTE/TG4 have the best pundits on the telly if only they would use them more. Unashamed to say they are both from West Kerry.
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week
brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out
what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week
brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out
what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !
Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.
To be honest, I think it is a better version of the TV3 coverage (which was already better than RTE to start with)Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week
brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out
what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !
Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.
Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.
To be honest, I think it is a better version of the TV3 coverage (which was already better than RTE to start with)Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week
brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out
what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !
Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.
Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.
I think you are being harsh on Rachel Wyse, she presents the show well and has as much a clue about the game as Lester does at times.
The big thing is that they actually discuss the game at hand and its incidents and tactics rather than the pundits using it as a soapbox for their own agendas and trotting out the same cliched views every week.
In fairness to RTE tomas o'se has been a breathe of fresh air, but they need a lot more like him and a clear out of the rubbish we have had to endure for years.
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week
brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out
what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !
Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.
Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week
brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out
what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !
Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.
Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.
Just out of interest - what gave you the impression that Rachel Wyse had no clue about the game? I think she's done a decent job and left it to the analysts to analyse - which they have done without the need to resort to personal insults and generalisations.
I don't know why people are picking on Rachel Wyse for having no clue about the game when there's Spillane, Carney, Morrissey, Carr, etc. out there
I don't know why people are picking on Rachel Wyse for having no clue about the game when there's Spillane, Carney, Morrissey, Carr, etc. out there
She needs to get herself a catchphrase a la 'Very much so' or 'Huuuuuge one in' before I can take her seriously.
Haven't got Sky, but did big Daíthí get the call to go over along with all the other TV3 pundits?
Haven't got Sky, but did big Daíthí get the call to go over along with all the other TV3 pundits?
Jamesie and Ollie Canning were the analysts the last day and Nicky English was doing co-commentary. I think Nicky's very good. He tells ya things like "Colin Fennelly is a great athlete and ball-carrier but his first touch is poor" which is the kind of info I'm looking for from an analyst. And in the Galway v Tipp game he spotted very early on that there was a total mismatch for pace between Seamie Callanan and Ronan Burke. Callanan skinned Burke for the vital goal with 20 minutes to go.
Would agree that Rachel Wyse knows little enough. She was asking Ollie and Jamesie after the game about the huge impact bringing on a legend like Henry Shefflin can have. The two boys looked a bit puzzled since Henry had made absolutely no impact.
I'd question the value in bringing on Henry at this point in his career. It gets a big cheer but not much else(aside from the late point against Galway which was almost the match-winner.)
I don't know why people are picking on Rachel Wyse for having no clue about the game when there's Spillane, Carney, Morrissey, Carr, etc. out there
She needs to get herself a catchphrase a la 'Very much so' or 'Huuuuuge one in' before I can take her seriously.
Haven't got Sky, but did big Daíthí get the call to go over along with all the other TV3 pundits?
Jamesie and Ollie Canning were the analysts the last day and Nicky English was doing co-commentary. I think Nicky's very good. He tells ya things like "Colin Fennelly is a great athlete and ball-carrier but his first touch is poor" which is the kind of info I'm looking for from an analyst. And in the Galway v Tipp game he spotted very early on that there was a total mismatch for pace between Seamie Callanan and Ronan Burke. Callanan skinned Burke for the vital goal with 20 minutes to go.
Would agree that Rachel Wyse knows little enough. She was asking Ollie and Jamesie after the game about the huge impact bringing on a legend like Henry Shefflin can have. The two boys looked a bit puzzled since Henry had made absolutely no impact.
I'd question the value in bringing on Henry at this point in his career. It gets a big cheer but not much else(aside from the late point against Galway which was almost the match-winner.)
I wouldn't fault Rachel for that as more experienced commentators on RTÉ were wondering when Henry would appear as if it was inevitable, with Cody duly obliging with 5 minutes to go. Cody obviously thought Henry would have an impact as well.
I like Henry, fantastic hurler and all that, but his intercounty race is run and a monumental run is has been. I don't think we'll see the likes of it again in my lifetime.
I think I said back in the spring that if Kilkenny do win an AI it would be off the backs of the Fennelly's, Paul Murphy, Richie Hogan and Richie Power and not Henry. I still stand by that.
Anyone hear Joe on Off the Ball with Paul Kimmage earlier today?
Jesus, whatever about the telly stuff, he should never be let near a radio interview again.
He started off by cursing profusely, then when he was taken to task he said everyone curses so what difference does it make (bear in mind this is Sunday lunch-time radio).
Then he proceeded to talk over everyone else and stifle any sort of reasonable discussion.
I turned it off after about 5 minutes.
Anyone hear Joe on Off the Ball with Paul Kimmage earlier today?
Jesus, whatever about the telly stuff, he should never be let near a radio interview again.
He started off by cursing profusely, then when he was taken to task he said everyone curses so what difference does it make (bear in mind this is Sunday lunch-time radio).
Then he proceeded to talk over everyone else and stifle any sort of reasonable discussion.
I turned it off after about 5 minutes.
Probably had a liquid lunch wouldn't be the first time
Apart from the cursing and the talking over everyone...I'd say his biggest problem is saying live on air that Roy Keane has "deep seeded psychological issues". Can't wait to see that row!
Apart from the cursing and the talking over everyone...I'd say his biggest problem is saying live on air that Roy Keane has "deep seeded psychological issues". Can't wait to see that row!
I'm sure Roy Keane couldn't give two shites what Joe Brolly says about him.
“His towering rages, the way be behaves, the constant craving for publicity. The guy would walk over crushed glass to get to a mic.”
No he's not talking about himself - pot kettle and black etc!!
Apart from the cursing and the talking over everyone...I'd say his biggest problem is saying live on air that Roy Keane has "deep seeded psychological issues". Can't wait to see that row!
I'm sure Roy Keane couldn't give two shites what Joe Brolly says about him.
Probably not but I'd love to be a fly on the wall if he ever meets him.......assuming Roy knows who the wee Bollox is!
“His towering rages, the way be behaves, the constant craving for publicity. The guy would walk over crushed glass to get to a mic.”
No he's not talking about himself - pot kettle and black etc!!
Joe has very accurately described himself there.
What??“His towering rages, the way be behaves, the constant craving for publicity. The guy would walk over crushed glass to get to a mic.”
No he's not talking about himself - pot kettle and black etc!!
Joe has very accurately described himself there.
It's not just a case of the pot calling the kettle black - I'd say it's almost a case of the kettle calling another kettle a kettle.
What??“His towering rages, the way be behaves, the constant craving for publicity. The guy would walk over crushed glass to get to a mic.”
No he's not talking about himself - pot kettle and black etc!!
Joe has very accurately described himself there.
It's not just a case of the pot calling the kettle black - I'd say it's almost a case of the kettle calling another kettle a kettle.
I'd agree with his sentiments but his solution is not in the best interests of the GAA IMO and ignores a lot of realities, like getting hurling folk to agree to playing in January and February, the minor All Ireland can't be played in June (so clubs can't necessarily swing into action in July), family holidays in July/August impacting on club fixtures, getting club championships to all Ireland completion by early December. We've too few games for all players with some playing on far too many teams. I'm not sure Joe's solution addresses that.
Your right Benny there is no problem free solution but I don't think it's as easy as saying IC for 6 months club for 6 months. The problems are more complex than that, for example if you are starting IC in January then training will have to start in November when clubs are coming to the end of their season how do those equations balance out. In saying that, what we have currently is possibly the worst case scenario.
I think the time has come for County players to be totally withdrawn from clubs whilst they are in the first 26. This is harsh on clubs granted but it would be easier on the player and he has a choice.
Why do people think there would there be a significant loss of revenue though?
Why do people think there would there be a significant loss of revenue though?
This is what I was saying on another thread. Even an amateur organisation, and maybe especially an amateur organisation the size of the GAA, requires money, and lots of it, to keep things ticking over and to provide the facilities and support to our counties, clubs and players.
For this, you need a business model, and you need businessmen to implement the business model.
Our problem, to me, seems to be that the raison d'etre for the business model in the first place is being lost, and everything is focussed on maximising and growing the revenue streams with no obvious controls in place to make sure that the money is a means to an end (i.e. to help run the GAA and to support our games) rather than the games becoming a means to growing the business, which appears to be the case at the moment.
We need to recalibrate what the GAA is all about, and cop on to ourselves. An amateur organisation needs enough money to keep it running, and to help with facilities, coaching, expenses etc. That should be a finite, identifiable monetary amount.
We seem to be just aiming to grow and grow, and continue to invest and invest in large scale projects that may not be needed at all. So we spend more and more money, we make more and more money, and then we try to figure out ways to make even more money and grow the balance sheet.
When your focus moves into that sphere, it doesn't take long for the actual games, and the people playing them, to be left behind in the consciousness.
This drive for money doesn't fully explain or address the attitude that has become prevalent in terms of living like a monk in order to be successful, but it is a contributing factor in the way the games are scheduled, and various other CCCC type decisions.
I think the time has come for County players to be totally withdrawn from clubs whilst they are in the first 26. This is harsh on clubs granted but it would be easier on the player and he has a choice.
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You got to remember the GAA is were it is because of its voluntary ethos (bar a minority of mercenaries) remove the county player from the parochial club set up and it wont belong before you dont have the IC player set up.
There's no need to choose between player welfare and more revenue. If you abolish the national leagues and play the provincial championships in a round robin format there's a ton of advantages.misses on huge point. For the most part players don't play too much (actually they should play more). They need to train less.
- The integrity, traditions, and local rivalries of the provincial championships are retained.
- If you shut the back door and go to a straight knockout with no All-Ireland quarter finals, the prestige of the provincial championships is restored beyond question.
- Abolition of the league means that the championship season (which is the real money generator) is extended but the overall inter-county season is shortened and creates more room in the calendar for the clubs.
- A round robin provincial championship means that teams get a lot more then two guaranteed games, making them a better deal for sponsors.
- You have more control over who plays in the first game, so you can open the competition with a bang by bringing two big hitters together.
- It's a simpler and more understandable format than the current convoluted modified knockout competition that's almost impossible to diagram.
I'd kick New York and London out of the All-Ireland championship. GAA units outside of Ireland should be concentrating on organising competitions in their own respective countries and playing games that they have a chance of actually winning. It's time New York and London had more locally-born players in their ranks and stopped viewing this as entertainment for emigrants, but that's another story.
I'd also abolish those pre-season inter-county competitions. There's no need for them. Ditto for the lower-tier inter-county hurling competitions (Christy Ring, Nickey Rackard etc. cups). If you want to improve the standard in developing counties then do it at club level; that's what the club competitions are for. The standard of the county team will rise with it.
There's not enough joined-up thinking in the GAA. Not enough "big picture" vision. Too much compartmentalized looking at each competition in isolation and trying to promote each one as an end in itself. Time to look at all the competitions together and assess what their roles are. The inter-county championship is a spectator event that brings in big money and inspires the next generation of players. The club competitions are for representing small communities and honing the skills of the players. The national leagues? WTF is the point of them? What's the point of the O'Byrne Cup and Waterford Crystal Cup and all these other obscure matches for?
It might sound like a slash and burn with a lot of competitions being dropped, but with the unsustainable workload on players and the sinister actions of the GPA looming over everything, something has to give.
There's no need to choose between player welfare and more revenue. If you abolish the national leagues and play the provincial championships in a round robin format there's a ton of advantages.
- The integrity, traditions, and local rivalries of the provincial championships are retained.
- If you shut the back door and go to a straight knockout with no All-Ireland quarter finals, the prestige of the provincial championships is restored beyond question.
- Abolition of the league means that the championship season (which is the real money generator) is extended but the overall inter-county season is shortened and creates more room in the calendar for the clubs.
- A round robin provincial championship means that teams get a lot more then two guaranteed games, making them a better deal for sponsors.
- You have more control over who plays in the first game, so you can open the competition with a bang by bringing two big hitters together.
- It's a simpler and more understandable format than the current convoluted modified knockout competition that's almost impossible to diagram.
I'd kick New York and London out of the All-Ireland championship. GAA units outside of Ireland should be concentrating on organising competitions in their own respective countries and playing games that they have a chance of actually winning. It's time New York and London had more locally-born players in their ranks and stopped viewing this as entertainment for emigrants, but that's another story.
I'd also abolish those pre-season inter-county competitions. There's no need for them. Ditto for the lower-tier inter-county hurling competitions (Christy Ring, Nickey Rackard etc. cups). If you want to improve the standard in developing counties then do it at club level; that's what the club competitions are for. The standard of the county team will rise with it.
There's not enough joined-up thinking in the GAA. Not enough "big picture" vision. Too much compartmentalized looking at each competition in isolation and trying to promote each one as an end in itself. Time to look at all the competitions together and assess what their roles are. The inter-county championship is a spectator event that brings in big money and inspires the next generation of players. The club competitions are for representing small communities and honing the skills of the players. The national leagues? WTF is the point of them? What's the point of the O'Byrne Cup and Waterford Crystal Cup and all these other obscure matches for?
It might sound like a slash and burn with a lot of competitions being dropped, but with the unsustainable workload on players and the sinister actions of the GPA looming over everything, something has to give.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0111/671850-brolly-calls-for-club-county-manager-restrictions/
"Sunday Game analyst Joe Brolly has called for a ban on non-members managing clubs and insisted county managers should be from within the county.
Brolly made the comments as part of a wide-ranging panel discussion on RTÉ Sunday Sport about player welfare, the balance between club and county commitments and the state of Gaelic football.
Brolly said that “over the last 15 years, we have imported professional sport practices into an amateur, community-based game. And what has happened is that players, in essence, put their lives on hold between the ages of 20 and 30.
“It used to be for club and county and all that. Whenever I was playing football, everyone had careers, they developed their careers. We trained twice a week with the county, maybe three times. It was part of a healthy, balanced life.
“The problem now is that you’ve got some county teams who are training ten times a week.”
In a newspaper column last Sunday, Brolly had said that players were little better than “battery hens”. In a follow-up column he took issue at payments to managers within the GAA.
Brolly told RTÉ Sport that “slowly but surely we are moving away from the community-based idealistic organisation that we’re meant to be.
“Now you’ve got a black market in paid managers. It’s absolutely thriving. Players are suffering like never before. It’s happening at club and county level.”"
I have not known any GAA manager who got rich by managing a Gaelic football club or county.
People please--- we need to cop on about this--the reality is far from the myth-- I can assure you, most managers struggle to get reasonable expenses and certainly do not get re reimbursed for their time commitment, ( if a club or county are lucky enough to have a wealthy business person who loves the GAA, then that is a different perspective as the GAA is not providing the money in this scenario and therefore not to be confused with County Boards or Clubs paying managers.
As for Joe Brolly, well guys he is probably one of the ex players who is extremely well paid for his commentary on all things GAA, but his views are typical of a middle aged anxious Dad as he views the sporting careers of his teenage kids coming under pressure from their genes, their birthplace, from their peers and from their environment and therefore his perceived problems of the GAA are a focus point of his blame game.
All the best for 2015