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GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 1 ...

Last post by GAABoardMod5 - Today at 12:23:02 AM

In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:

(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off

From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it. 

That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.

This thread is repeating itself. As I said above, surely you have the option of beating Westmeath by 8 or 9 points instead?

I think the scenario being talked about is one where Derry, Galway and Armagh all beat Westmeath & all end up on 4 points.
Results against Westmeath then don't count in terms of the scoring average calculation - so it wouldn't matter how much they beat Westmeath by.

Fair enough, that is written there, which was a clue.

Not true...you are still referencing walkover scenario.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 4 -...

Last post by blanketattack - Today at 12:20:43 AM

Someone in the marketing department made a boo boo!

#3

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and...

Last post by easty88 - May 29, 2024, 11:57:09 PM

As Tyrone supporters, it's very frustrating at the minute for all of us. Our lads deserve the best and it doesn't seem to be happening. We have the talent in the county to compete with anyone in Ireland over the next few years but we seem to be struggling. Our minors have underachieved in last number of years and are currently in a B competition which is embarrassing for Tyrone. Our seniors don't look to be progressing. the u20 team had great success but it seems the u20s were just such a talented group. But I think dook has to get some credit here as the same team couldn't win minor all Ireland which is easier won than an u20? I hate slating managers as they are all good enough fellas, giving their time but when is there going to be some foresight. Who is appointing managers and are there no better candidates?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 1 ...

Last post by armaghniac - May 29, 2024, 11:33:12 PM

In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:

(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off

From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it. 

That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.

This thread is repeating itself. As I said above, surely you have the option of beating Westmeath by 8 or 9 points instead?

I think the scenario being talked about is one where Derry, Galway and Armagh all beat Westmeath & all end up on 4 points.
Results against Westmeath then don't count in terms of the scoring average calculation - so it wouldn't matter how much they beat Westmeath by.

Fair enough, that is written there, which was a clue.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Negativity around current ...

Last post by Rossfan - May 29, 2024, 11:19:46 PM

Ye had similar to that in 2022 and 90% of the GAA couldnt wait to dump it as it wasn't wanted.

Sources for this please...?

Congress 2022. It was 94.7% in fact.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 1 ...

Last post by galwayman - May 29, 2024, 11:11:40 PM

In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:

(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off

From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it. 

That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.

This thread is repeating itself. As I said above, surely you have the option of beating Westmeath by 8 or 9 points instead?

I think the scenario being talked about is one where Derry, Galway and Armagh all beat Westmeath & all end up on 4 points.
Results against Westmeath then don't count in terms of the scoring average calculation - so it wouldn't matter how much they beat Westmeath by.

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General discussion / Re: Westminster General Electi...

Last post by marty34 - May 29, 2024, 11:00:24 PM

This is the type of candidate that SF are 'going after' now I think.  Moving away, to a certain extent, from the old guard. Pat is new blood, if you pardon the pun!

If she is successful, would she go down the route of Health Minister at some stage? She would have a better knowledge that most of this portfolio.

Maybe some long term planning here but needs to get elected first obviously.

Snapchat might know more?

Bet there are a few Sinn Fein members pissed off in FST tonight who have worked their @@@@@ off the past few years and hoping that maybe they would in with a shout of being selected .............

I wouldn't think so.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 1 ...

Last post by armaghniac - May 29, 2024, 10:59:52 PM

In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:

(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off

From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it. 

That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.

This thread is repeating itself. As I said above, surely you have the option of beating Westmeath by 8 or 9 points instead?

#9

GAA Discussion / Re: Negativity around current ...

Last post by thewobbler - May 29, 2024, 10:55:58 PM

There is a solution of sorts staring us in the face, basically copy the NFL.

- discard the provincials completely.
- Create 8 x regional sections of 4.
- Each season, all teams play 12 group stage games, 6 home and 6 away.
- 6 of those fixtures would see home and aways against the 3 teams in their section.
- The other 6 fixtures would be devised semi-randomly based on the previous season's final standings. 2 of the games would be against teams from the top third of the rankings. 2 against teams from the middle third. 2 against teams from the bottom third. Will there be anomalies? Of course. But so has every system.
- Each of the 8 teams that win their section goes through to a last 16 knockout game, with a home fixture.
- Their 8 opponents are the highest ranking teams that didn't win their section. Ie if you finish 4th in your section with 14 points, you outrank any second placed teams with 13 points. There could be 3 of these "wildcards" from one section, none from another.
- Quarter finals would see the 4 highest ranking winners at home, with the 4 lowest ranking winners visiting them.
- The rest is self explanatory.
- No need for a Tailteann Cup. Every county will have played 12 competitive matches and will know where they stand.

The key to this approach is that a "group of death" doesn't mean a quick death.

The other key to it is that as all teams are always being ranked, then there is always something to play for.

It also encourages local derbies initially, but ensures that the knockout stages are represented by the four corners of the country.

Americans are by and large idiots. But  nobody does equality in sport like them.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire 2024 Group 1 ...

Last post by Armagh18 - May 29, 2024, 10:45:26 PM

Why are you lads quoting the part that deals with Walkovers/Disqualifications?

Here's the relevant section on tie-breakers in league/group formats, (which is more or less the same but the legal eagles like D McK would get upset):




When Teams finish with equal points for Qualification for the Concluding Stages, or for Promotion or Relegation, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:

(i) Where two Teams only are involved - the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the previous game in the Competition;

(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For);

(iii) Highest Total Score For;

(iv) Highest Total Goals For;

(v) A Play-Off

My mistake. Misread  when I seen more than 2 teams. Cheers!