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#1951
Quote from: hardstation on November 20, 2013, 01:42:51 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 20, 2013, 01:29:11 PM
In my above post I have suggested a reduced capacity to try and move things along, is that going to be acceptable what are the residents expectations?
You posting that means fcuk all because that is not being put on the table by the GAA.

The residents are not worried about the GAA selling the site btw. What makes you think there would be opposition to Tesco anyway? There is no need for it with Sainsburys, Asda, Lidl and Iceland all within a few hundred yards of it. As Milltown suggests, social housing would be much more beneficial to the community.

My point is, first it was a sewage works, an abbatoir, traveller housing, now a 24h Tesco. It's like some bullshit scare tactics. Grow up.
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Well planning permission has not been granted so yes a redesign with a reduced capacity may still very well happen. As great an idea as social housing is I think the GAA and local authorities would go for the easier option of a nice new supermarket and one more wont make any difference as we are already drowning in them.

Sewage works and abbatoir was a bit tongue in cheek but whatever floats your boat I dont know where you got traveler housing from though so stop making stuff up and the Tesco scenario is pretty real not some scare tactic . You have an opinion and I have an opinion that differ and thats what makes these blogs tick.

Grow up? you are better than that.
#1952
Quote from: The Worker on November 20, 2013, 01:36:55 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 20, 2013, 01:31:28 PM
28k single tier, all covered, all seater. Simples!!

All covered would be ideal, I have raised this suggestion before only to be shot down by some!

Should be all covered in this day and age. Have you seen the state of the plans for Pairc ui chaoimh, 67 million for one new stand and a lick of paint on the remaining 3 sides - disgraceful

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2013/07/17/gaa-to-lodge-pairc-ui-chaoimh-plans-in-october/
#1953
'I have to say though, I am beginning to enjoy JPGJOHNNYG's "100 other ways to annoy the residents" posts. It seems that be it through building a stadium or not, JPGJOHNNYG just wants the residents around Casement Park to be pissed off'

The whole topic here is about casement park being redeveloped, the residents are against the current redevelopment so why would I want those residents to be pissed off if they were building a stadium say at the Maze site? I am only having a go at the residents because they are blocking the development of Casement. I keep hearing that the residents are not against development well that's great news could they please tell us what they are willing to accept. In my above post I have suggested a reduced capacity to try and move things along, is that going to be acceptable what are the residents expectations? If they will only permit a 20000 stadium then I'm afraid that's pretty much zero use to the GAA as they already have Clones. I'm sorry but to me a lot of the residents complaints stink of nimbyism and I wont change my mind on that until they start going public on what they will accept and what compromises they and the GAA can come to. The whole point of redevelopment is to have modern stadium with a capacity to accommodate the Ulster Final, any other big fixtures and concerts are a bonus. You can argue that the site isnt appropriate for such development then fair enough and if planning makes that decision then fair enough and if that happens then the GAA would likely sell and look elsewhere - Do you honestly think a brown field site next to a major arterial route in Belfast would just sit idle? By the way there is a huge Tesco Extra close to Sainsburys at Forrest side so a nearby ASDA is hardly going to scare away a rival supermarket
#1954
This is dragging on and on. The GAA should either appease the residents and reduce the capacity to say 30000 (although whether that reduces the height and improves daylight I dont know) or sell the land and build a nice new stadium elsewhere, the residents will then have to panic about the inevitable arrival of a 24 hour tesco extra.
#1955
Aussie ball is a must the only downside is you would probably then have to bin the keepers and goals - suddenly the big advantage to GAA swings back to the Aussies but worth a try
#1956
Im abroad so zero TV coverage but it certainly looks pretty one sided from the reports. I still like the idea of the combined rules although they need to change things around to make it more interesting/competitive. What I dont get is why the AFL dont select a better team seeing as they seem more keen on the series than the GAA. I said it before and Ill say it again one test should be with the oval ball. By the way how did the the hurling/shinty game go? I also believe the new hybrid game Iomain was show cased - how was it?
#1957
Dont know if this has already been mentioned but I think it would be more fun/fairer if one test was played with our ball and one test with the AFL ball
#1958
GAA Discussion / Re: Seo
September 06, 2013, 11:27:08 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2013, 11:03:28 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on September 06, 2013, 10:39:58 AM
If the work wasnt to go ahead in Casement then who knows what might happen, nice shiny stadium in Mid ulster - sounds good to me, Antrim GAA relocated - not out of the question and god knows what placed on the nice new brown field site at Casement.
Had they planned on doing this when the 'shiny new stadium' was planned for Long Kesh? I hadn't heard.

Your comment stinks of "Fcuk the residents. If they don't accept this, we'll really shaft them."

Oh dear back to my original argument when you buy a house beside a stadium you really dont know what will happen, ie new big stadium built on door step or stadium sold for other development be it houses, a Tescos etc etc. It is a risk Im afraid and a fact of life Im not saying f**k the residents and Im pretty sure the GAA does not have the time or interest to 'really shaft them' Im just pointing out what happens to people all over the country its not just the Casement residents some call it progress others disagree.
#1959
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2013, 10:54:54 AM
So capacity is now down to 36,000? Is a stadium of this size needed?

I still have no idea what benefit the removal of the roof at the Andytown Road end is for local residents.

The whole point is it will host the Ulster final which has been getting around 30000 (35000 this year I think), the problem which I agree with most is how often the stadium will be at capacity (Im hoping the GAA have thought this through, international rules, concerts etc etc). I think the GAA in general need to have a better plan regarding stadium, ie a number of smaller grounds but of high quality. The plans for Pairc ui Chaoimh are an example of bad planning - Lets spend all the money on one massive stand and then give the rest of the dump a lick of paint. If the Casement design can be reduced to 30000 and that suits the residents then great although I do feel some (not all) the residents wouldnt be happy with any proposal.

Agree about the roof it would make more sense in terms of lighting issue to remove it from one of the sides although personally a modern stadium without a roof is ridiculous so maybe reduce height by reducing capacity but put the bloody roof back on
#1960
GAA Discussion / Re: Seo
September 06, 2013, 10:39:58 AM
Quote from: drici on September 05, 2013, 08:05:13 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on September 05, 2013, 07:53:29 PM
I agree if a club or individual has a problem with any aspect of the design then they dont sign the petition - simple really. Are the GAA and fans going to piss around enough over this just like the IFA to the extent that the funding is withdrawn you would almost think thats what some here want

Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 25, 2013, 08:33:06 AM
As for the residents maybe the GAA should just move to a new site and sell the land to the council for a nice new abattoir or sewage works!!!!

Care to add anything to the debate?

The first post just confirms that people can sign a petition or not unless your 'GAA mafia' actually use physical force and threats to get what they want - do tell

The second post in its context was directed at people who buy houses next to a stadium and then dont expect any future development ever - little short sighted. If the work wasnt to go ahead in Casement then who knows what might happen, nice shiny stadium in Mid ulster - sounds good to me, Antrim GAA relocated - not out of the question and god knows what placed on the nice new brown field site at Casement.

Ps people saying the GAA just want to build what they want is a lie the design has already been altered with a loss of 4000 seats and a roof at one end but lets not let the truth get in the way of anything.
#1961
I agree if a club or individual has a problem with any aspect of the design then they dont sign the petition - simple really. Are the GAA and fans going to piss around enough over this just like the IFA to the extent that the funding is withdrawn you would almost think thats what some here want
#1962
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 09, 2013, 11:31:19 PM
http://antrim.gaa.ie/news/details/?id=3903

Closing down sale on at Casement. Get your offer in early for a bargain.

What club would buy the big concrete slabs for seating surely it would be cheaper and less hassle just to buy plastic bucket seats. The big question is what is happening with the brand spanking new control tower? Is it being shifted to another Ulster ground?
#1963
Thanks Drici for posting all my comments and your point is?????
#1964
Quote from: hardstation on June 26, 2013, 11:55:49 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 26, 2013, 11:48:23 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 26, 2013, 09:37:09 AM
Again, it is very easy to have a "get over it" attitude when you live nowhere near it.

If it was built at the bottom of my garden, I'd be far from pleased.

As for buying a house beside Casement Park and not expecting development...my neighbour could take the notion to build a huge Christ the Redeemer statue out his back, it doesn't mean I have to accept it.

Unless you can honestly say that you would have no problem with a stadium like that being erected at the bottom of YOUR garden, you cannot criticise the residents for objecting to it being built at the bottom of their garden.
I get the impression that the local residents wont be pleased until all the plans are shelved.

You see, this is where you are wrong. The residents association isn't sitting there and knocking back everything the GAA are offering to do. They are putting forward proposals themselves which mainly comes down to lowering it at either side.

Nice try as stated earlier for the intended capacity the design is already very low. The playing field at Casement is sunken and that will be kept with the new ground also the Andy town road end will have an unusually large stand to again reduce the height of the rest of the stadium. Personally I cant see how they can lower the height of the sides even more unless they start slashing the capacity (they already have taken 2000 off to help accommodate concerns) which Im pretty sure the GAA will refuse

Now there must be literally dozens and dozens of grounds in England slap bang in the middle of dense residential areas that have had no problem being redeveloped over the years and Im sure they cast larger shadows over a greater number of residents than Casement ever will.

Check out the scale model for yourself regarding height

https://www.facebook.com/casementpark/photos_stream

compare it to say this

http://www.favhdwallpapers.com/anfield-stadium-hd-widescreen-wallpapers.html

or this

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/acidmit/22516805/89499/89499_original.jpg

#1965
Quote from: hardstation on June 26, 2013, 09:37:09 AM
Again, it is very easy to have a "get over it" attitude when you live nowhere near it.

If it was built at the bottom of my garden, I'd be far from pleased.

As for buying a house beside Casement Park and not expecting development...my neighbour could take the notion to build a huge Christ the Redeemer statue out his back, it doesn't mean I have to accept it.

Unless you can honestly say that you would have no problem with a stadium like that being erected at the bottom of YOUR garden, you cannot criticise the residents for objecting to it being built at the bottom of their garden.

Pretty sure your christ the redeemer project wouldnt get very far with local planning whereas the upgrade of an existing stadium with all sorts of potential benefits to the local area may funnily enough get the thumbs up. People have a right to complain for sure but as I have already stated the GAA have already been quite open with the design process and have made alterations to benefit the local residents, I get the impression that the local residents wont be pleased until all the plans are shelved. I have not heard any moaning from residents around Ravenhill or Windsor - maybe they are being a bit more realistic about things. As for buying a house if noise or light was an issue then I wouldnt buy a house next to a site that had potential to be developed and a more realistic example you should have given is if a neighbour wanted to extend their house and if it was reasonable design then I would pretty much have to suck it up too whether I liked it or not