McKenna Cup 2024

[the goal was on]

The rules are there for everyone and I'm sure all top managers would be aware of them. They are there to protect youngsters in the long term. So Donegal/jim didnt know he wasn't available to play this year! I know he has been out of game for long time but surely minor/club/u21 bosses would have been able to tell him. If he was aware but still played him then you have to take the consequences. I'm sure there has been a few other youngsters teams may have liked to play over the years. Particularly the weaker counties . Simple question for journalists to ask Jim - were you aware of rule?

[Ethan Tremblay]

The rules are there for everyone and I'm sure all top managers would be aware of them. They are there to protect youngsters in the long term. So Donegal/jim didnt know he wasn't available to play this year! I know he has been out of game for long time but surely minor/club/u21 bosses would have been able to tell him. If he was aware but still played him then you have to take the consequences. I'm sure there has been a few other youngsters teams may have liked to play over the years. Particularly the weaker counties . Simple question for journalists to ask Jim - were you aware of rule?

Exactly.  Club bosses throughout the county (including the young lads own club, who i'm sure would love to have been playing him) would know the rules around playing underage players.  The question should be put directly to him alright, he isn't that slow. 

[Cavan19]

The rules are there for everyone and I'm sure all top managers would be aware of them. They are there to protect youngsters in the long term. So Donegal/jim didnt know he wasn't available to play this year! I know he has been out of game for long time but surely minor/club/u21 bosses would have been able to tell him. If he was aware but still played him then you have to take the consequences. I'm sure there has been a few other youngsters teams may have liked to play over the years. Particularly the weaker counties . Simple question for journalists to ask Jim - were you aware of rule?

Exactly.  Club bosses throughout the county (including the young lads own club, who i'm sure would love to have been playing him) would know the rules around playing underage players.  The question should be put directly to him alright, he isn't that slow. 

It all falls on the County Secetary its up to them to be up to date on the rules and regulations.

[thewobbler]

Ever more proof that GAA people only want rules when it suits them.

Every single person in the Donegal changing room would have known Robert was ineligible, including the player himself. I can guarantee you that this was made clear by at least one administrator to the management.

But Jimmy thinks he's smarter and bigger than the game.

I should hope the ban sticks.

[imtommygunn]

I honestly would say it's all a game. Remember the Cassidy Bogue thing. Almost feels like that. Build a them against us mentality and we'll show them etc.

[J70]

The rules are there for everyone and I'm sure all top managers would be aware of them. They are there to protect youngsters in the long term. So Donegal/jim didnt know he wasn't available to play this year! I know he has been out of game for long time but surely minor/club/u21 bosses would have been able to tell him. If he was aware but still played him then you have to take the consequences. I'm sure there has been a few other youngsters teams may have liked to play over the years. Particularly the weaker counties . Simple question for journalists to ask Jim - were you aware of rule?

Exactly.  Club bosses throughout the county (including the young lads own club, who i'm sure would love to have been playing him) would know the rules around playing underage players.  The question should be put directly to him alright, he isn't that slow. 

Not just the young lad's club. Jim is a Naomh Conaill man too.

[yellowcard]

The rules are there for everyone and I'm sure all top managers would be aware of them. They are there to protect youngsters in the long term. So Donegal/jim didnt know he wasn't available to play this year! I know he has been out of game for long time but surely minor/club/u21 bosses would have been able to tell him. If he was aware but still played him then you have to take the consequences. I'm sure there has been a few other youngsters teams may have liked to play over the years. Particularly the weaker counties . Simple question for journalists to ask Jim - were you aware of rule?

Exactly.  Club bosses throughout the county (including the young lads own club, who i'm sure would love to have been playing him) would know the rules around playing underage players.  The question should be put directly to him alright, he isn't that slow. 

Not just the young lad's club. Jim is a Naomh Conaill man too.

Jimmy actually stated in a post match interview that the young lad had yet to train with his club senior team (Jimmys own club). So its simply not believable that they wouldn't have been aware of the fact that he was ineligible.

[Brendan]

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/donegal-jim-mcguinness-eamon-mcgee-296671?fbclid=IwAR1n2jVfqZ9IGZDeD_3INT40T_zaT9BIB5psUjRl6a5p8jWTMv6x2cnR-S0

Siege mentality predictions were right

[johnnycool]

For Breach of lower Age Limit:
(i)Team Penalty:
On a Proven Objection – Award of Game to Opposing Team.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge – Forfeiture of
Game without Award to the Opposing Team.
(ii) Player: For breach in any Grade – 2 weeks Suspension.
(iii) Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.

Jim's only grounds for appeal is that he's not the person in charge of the team, so the county secretary is looking to take the fall for this one and probably rightly so.

[J70]

For Breach of lower Age Limit:
(i)Team Penalty:
On a Proven Objection – Award of Game to Opposing Team.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge – Forfeiture of
Game without Award to the Opposing Team.
(ii) Player: For breach in any Grade – 2 weeks Suspension.
(iii) Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.

Jim's only grounds for appeal is that he's not the person in charge of the team, so the county secretary is looking to take the fall for this one and probably rightly so.

"Person-in-charge"?


You'd swear the GAA purposely write these regs to be ambiguous enough to render them useless.

[Estimator]

Throw back to when Tyrone were at it in the McKenna Cup 

2007 Tyrone ineligibility dispute
Tyrone caused controversy in 2007 when they fielded four players who had already been selected by University teams. The official rule is that Universities have first choice on players, so in effect, they were fielding ineligible players. Tyrone manager, Mickey Harte, claimed it was the players' own decision to choose to play for the county team over their University. Tyrone were docked two points as a punishment, but this did not affect their progression into the semi-final stage.

Although Tyrone won the final, beating Donegal by 2-09 to 0-05, Tyrone were stripped of their title for fielding the ineligible University players in the match. The players had not been listed on the official team sheet, which was another breach of the rules. However, Tyrone's victory was reinstated upon appeal.

[GTP]

The rule as quoted is Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.
So any persons including a manager, coach and County Secretary could be included so it looks like GAA could hand out miultiple bans if they wished.
I'd hazard a guess it is a general term to ensure it captures a range of people who could be in charge such as manager, head coach, secretary etc rather than identify a specific role. If it said Manager in charge of a team it would allow an appeal on the basis that the individual is not the Manager in charge but the Head Coach. 
Could also be to ensure joint managers e.g. Tyrone Logan and Dooher, don't escape sanction.
In this case it looks like a straightforward situation and the suspension is warranted.

[lurganblue]

8 weeks is ridiculous but there's it in black and white. They all should have known better.

[Wildweasel74]

Here the problem with the gaa, is everything is appealed, everything, time they severely tighten the rulebook and bring in a thing like in rugby where certain appeals are doubled, if unsuccessful.McGuinness thinks he's a law onto himself,

[trailer]

Here the problem with the gaa, is everything is appealed, everything, time they severely tighten the rulebook and bring in a thing like in rugby where certain appeals are doubled, if unsuccessful.McGuinness thinks he's a law onto himself,

I know. They did wrong. Take your punishment.