FAI...June 2024 Friendlies v Hungary and Portugal

[muppet]

In truth it's a great red herring. All the attention has been taken away from MON. He has suddenly become the subplot. Actually all the attention has been taken away from everybody except Keane. This could only happen with Roy and Ireland?

I still find it a bit odd from O'Neill that he wanted Keane with him.

Having said that Trapp brought in former Celtic manager Liam Brady at the start. But I thought was as much a language and local player knowledge thing rather than anything else.

Surely MON has a good idea already of the Irish players available to him?

[Jell 0 Biafra]

I must say. I'm enjoying this. 

So am I.

They can't simply say: 'I detest him and that is why I don't want him near the Irish team'.

There could be no real argument with that.

However, instead we have this faux debate on the merits or lack thereof of his candidacy.

Everyone's enjoying it.  You're just missing the point that it is both possible to detest someone and think him poorly qualified.   I never particularly liked Jack Charlton after how he treated Brady, but he was unquestionably an effective manager.  Keane is not.  Maybe he'll be an effective assistant manager, but there's no evidence that that is so at this point.

[muppet]

I must say. I'm enjoying this. 

So am I.

They can't simply say: 'I detest him and that is why I don't want him near the Irish team'.

There could be no real argument with that.

However, instead we have this faux debate on the merits or lack thereof of his candidacy.

Everyone's enjoying it.  You're just missing the point that it is both possible to detest someone and think him poorly qualified.   I never particularly liked Jack Charlton after how he treated Brady, but he was unquestionably an effective manager.  Keane is not.  Maybe he'll be an effective assistant manager, but there's no evidence that that is so at this point.

Finally an admission.

And whatever Keane is, he is more than qualified to be Ireland's number 2.

Charlton's club management career consisted of bringing Middlesborough up to the top flight and Sheffield Wednesday to the second tier. He was hardly Alex Ferguson.

And Charlton should be compared to O'Neill, Keane should be compared to Maurice Setters. You keep missing this point yourself.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

The point I'm missing, apparently, is that if the FAI has in the past hired people without a good prior record, it's not a mistake to do that again.

Sure, you can get lucky, but it isn't a good strategy.

So, what is it exactly that qualifies Keane (sorry, "more than qualifies") to be Ireland's no. 2 (phnarr..)?

[Hound]

The FAI never choose the No2. The No1 chooses the No2. End of story.

The FAI have no more money now than they did under the last regime so I can't see Keane getting any more money than Tardelli did.

[BennyHarp]

Since when did having an illustrious managerial career become an essential criteria to become Ireland's assistant manager? Tardelli's career in management was hardly glittering before he got the Irish role but his apoointment barely raised a ripple. If MON thinks Keane has something to offer and is happy to work alongside him then that's fair enough. Are we in the business of criticising MON's decisions before he even selects his first squad?

[muppet]

The point I'm missing, apparently, is that if the FAI has in the past hired people without a good prior record, it's not a mistake to do that again.

Sure, you can get lucky, but it isn't a good strategy.

So, what is it exactly that qualifies Keane (sorry, "more than qualifies") to be Ireland's no. 2 (phnarr..)?

No that isn't the point at all.

And....

Why don't you write to Martin O'Neill and ask him? I suspect he would get a good laugh from your letter.

[Jonah]

I must say. I'm enjoying this. 

So am I.

They can't simply say: 'I detest him and that is why I don't want him near the Irish team'.

There could be no real argument with that.

However, instead we have this faux debate on the merits or lack thereof of his candidacy.

So anyone that doesn't want him near the Irish team must obviously detest him? There can be no other explanation?

[muppet]

I must say. I'm enjoying this. 

So am I.

They can't simply say: 'I detest him and that is why I don't want him near the Irish team'.

There could be no real argument with that.

However, instead we have this faux debate on the merits or lack thereof of his candidacy.

So anyone that doesn't want him near the Irish team must obviously detest him? There can be no other explanation?

I was referring to some of the posters here.

There must be a dozen reasonable arguments as to why Keane shouldn't be involved with the Irish set up. But very few here seem interested in any reasonable analysis of anything when it comes to Keane.

[Jonah]

I must say. I'm enjoying this. 

So am I.

They can't simply say: 'I detest him and that is why I don't want him near the Irish team'.

There could be no real argument with that.

However, instead we have this faux debate on the merits or lack thereof of his candidacy.

So anyone that doesn't want him near the Irish team must obviously detest him? There can be no other explanation?

I was referring to some of the posters here.

There must be a dozen reasonable arguments as to why Keane shouldn't be involved with the Irish set up. But very few here seem interested in any reasonable analysis of anything when it comes to Keane.

Really?
They don't  think he's a good manager. His managerial record would prove them right.
The Ipswich players hadn't a good word to say about him.He criticised the Irish fans who payed alot of money to go to the Euros and were just enjoying themselves.
He also had a go at us all over the Henry incident. Didn't he have a go at John Delaney and The FAI in his book? And now he is going to work for them.
All valid reasons not to want him but it doesn't mean they all detest him just because you don't like the reasons they are offering as to why they don't want him.
I haven't heard you give any reasons why he would be good for the Irish team,all you have done is defend him blindly.

I think it's an interesting appointment but I can see it all ending badly.
Bad endings seem to follow Keane like a bad smell.Man U,Sunderland,Ipswich,Ireland.....
Surely you can see why people will think this will all end just as bad.

[Premier Emperor]

I can't wait to see Keano going ape shit at the Aviva some night when we're 3 down against Holland and the fans are still singing.

Why would fans still be singing when the team is getting tanked?
Loser mentality.

[Jonah]

I can't wait to see Keano going ape shit at the Aviva some night when we're 3 down against Holland and the fans are still singing.

Why would fans still be singing when the team is getting tanked?
Loser mentality.

Were they not entitled to do what they want after spending a fortune to get there?
It was a football match not a funeral ffs. So what if they were losing,as a Tipp man I suppose you only sing when you're winning...which is very rare nowadays
Keane was totally wrong saying what he did.I hope he apologies if he takes this No.2 job.

[muppet]

I must say. I'm enjoying this. 

So am I.

They can't simply say: 'I detest him and that is why I don't want him near the Irish team'.

There could be no real argument with that.

However, instead we have this faux debate on the merits or lack thereof of his candidacy.

So anyone that doesn't want him near the Irish team must obviously detest him? There can be no other explanation?

I was referring to some of the posters here.

There must be a dozen reasonable arguments as to why Keane shouldn't be involved with the Irish set up. But very few here seem interested in any reasonable analysis of anything when it comes to Keane.

Really?
They don't  think he's a good manager. His managerial record would prove them right.
The Ipswich players hadn't a good word to say about him.He criticised the Irish fans who payed alot of money to go to the Euros and were just enjoying themselves.
He also had a go at us all over the Henry incident. Didn't he have a go at John Delaney and The FAI in his book? And now he is going to work for them.
All valid reasons not to want him but it doesn't mean they all detest him just because you don't like the reasons they are offering as to why they don't want him.
I haven't heard you give any reasons why he would be good for the Irish team,all you have done is defend him blindly.

I think it's an interesting appointment but I can see it all ending badly.
Bad endings seem to follow Keane like a bad smell.Man U,Sunderland,Ipswich,Ireland.....
Surely you can see why people will think this will all end just as bad.

They don't  think he's a good manager. His managerial record would prove them right.

But he isn't taking the manager's job.

And regardless Keane's management career is as mediocre as most of the competition. O'Neill obviously did well at Leicester and Celtic but has no better than mediocre results since. McCarthy is as mediocre as they come but to be fair when you look at it, there are only a handful of successful managers out there. Ferguson, Wenger and The Special One spring to mind. Beyond that Rafa and Mancini but then who? Keane had mild success at Sunderland and was sacked by Ipswich. If the latter rules Keane out forever then why don't McCarthy's sackings rule him out? Or O'Neill's? They were both sacked by Sunderland.

The Ipswich players hadn't a good word to say about him.

The Ipswich players who recently drew at home with Barnsley?

He also had a go at us all over the Henry incident.

In this one I agree with him 100% and it wasn't 'us all'. It was embarrassing watching the FaceBook campaign pages and even worse the FAI trying to get us to South Africa as a 33rd team.

Surely you can see why people will think this will all end just as bad.

This is what I said on the first post on page 230: "Either they will become a phenomenal double act............or something else, possibly spectacularly something else."

Of course I see the potential for a bad ending. I have also said that I am surprised O'Neill wanted him as his number 2. I am also surprised Keane is happy to be his number 2. The FAI is historically a shambles but regardless I am very surprised they are apparently going to sanction this.

But when I and others don't tow the line of vilifying Keane in every post it seems to annoy people.

[Jonah]

Fair enough muppet but you do seem to get a bit annoyed when anyone says anything against Keane.

btw  I really don't get you're point about Ipswich drawing with Barnsley. What a ridiculous way to make a point or are you even making a point?. I just don't get it.
How is it in anyway relevant. Are they even the same players Keane had when he was at Ipswich. ?

[muppet]

Fair enough muppet but you do seem to get a bit annoyed when anyone says anything against Keane.

btw  I really don't get you're point about Ipswich drawing with Barnsley. What a ridiculous way to make a point or are you even making a point?. I just don't get it.
How is it in anyway relevant. Are they even the same players Keane had when he was at Ipswich. ?

I am just trying to add perspective.

Mark Walters and Damien Delaney was there at the time.

This is what they said about Keane:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/european-championships/players-may-live-to-regret-shooting-from-the-lip-against-keane-29723539.html

Delaney's behaviour is hilarious.

Damien Delaney, also a former Tractor Boy, was once late to arrive at Ipswich's training ground while Keane was manager there.

Interrupting his progress were members of the local constabulary, who pinned him for driving his Audi A5 sports car at 44mph in a 30mph zone.

After pleading guilty by post to his speeding charge, Delaney then brazenly tried to deflect the blame towards Keane in a letter of mitigation to the magistrates.

"The reason I was going too fast was because I was late for work," Delaney wrote. "I had an unreasonable boss at the time who would not accept lateness and would not have listened to me."