FAI...June 2024 Friendlies v Hungary and Portugal

[GalwayBayBoy]

McCarthy - was once the grat new hope but has turned into a journeyman midfielder 

FFS he's 21.

And the main man in central midfield for a Premier League club. Bit early to be writing him off no?

[thewobbler]

It's not difficult to appreciate the squad limitations, but you can also appreciate that after 4 years of getting passed off the park by 5th and 6th seeded teams, by still persisting with a long ball game, bypassing midfield,  that there's a growing belief that Trap has not even got close to getting the most of the available players. There is also a growing belief that we will be easy meat for Sweden and Austria. They will be expecting at least 4 points each.
That when it comes down to it, Trap has ignored or pissed off anybody that can play a bit of football.
That even after long ball, kick and rush tactics were badly exposed in the Euros, he still persisted with the long ball to Walters game against the mighty Kazakhstan. Then again against the Faroes, for the whole 1st half  the long ball to Walters. The Faroes actually were a better team in the 1st half and tried to play football.
The game is up for this style of football, other teams look upon us beatable.

I don't swallow the technical deficiencies of our players as an excuse for neanderthal football. And if we continue to play that crap we are sure to finish 4th at best.

The last paragraph is interesting an it suggests you've bought into Sky's propoganda about the strength and quality of the EPL. Here's something for you: the England team is falling down with top 6 EPL players, yet they still look technically deficient against the majority of international sides. Ireland are a poor man's England in this game. We cannot expect a bunch of average players to outplay anyone.

[rodney trotter]

Do any of the posters on here understand how limited the current crap 9sorry crop) of players are?

Take magpie's selction:

Westwood  - reserve at Sunderland

Kelly - not a regular at Fulham  Dunne = done 9great servant gone past sbd)   O'Shea - seriously limited player at Sunderland /Clarke  - best of the new bunch, I'd stick with him, but not a regular at AV   Wilson - worth a look, plays for Stoke

Coleman - cant command regular place at Everton but one of our better players  McCarthy - was once the grat new hope but has turned into a journeyman midfielder  Andrews - has dropped from premiership to championship strugglers bu dont doubt his spirit or commitment/Fahey  - not a regular at Birmingham   McLean - could be our answer to Wayne rRooney!!

    Long  - best of our forwards but hardly a goal a game man at WBA     Walters - game but limited in ability and not a regular goalscorer /Doyle - way off the boil

Notice something?
Man Utd - no players
Man City - no players
Chelsea - no players
Arsenal - no players
Spurs - no players

Worst squad for Republic in my memory.

Trapp derserves them.

Chelsea, Man City Arsenal have't even many English players. Its not just Ireland who suffer with the lack of players in the big clubs. Obviously they have a few players but not loads. Terry and Lampard aren't  getting and younger City signed Rodwell and Sinclair both English players, but i can't see them being regulars.

[Main Street]

It's not difficult to appreciate the squad limitations, but you can also appreciate that after 4 years of getting passed off the park by 5th and 6th seeded teams, by still persisting with a long ball game, bypassing midfield,  that there's a growing belief that Trap has not even got close to getting the most of the available players. There is also a growing belief that we will be easy meat for Sweden and Austria. They will be expecting at least 4 points each.
That when it comes down to it, Trap has ignored or pissed off anybody that can play a bit of football.
That even after long ball, kick and rush tactics were badly exposed in the Euros, he still persisted with the long ball to Walters game against the mighty Kazakhstan. Then again against the Faroes, for the whole 1st half  the long ball to Walters. The Faroes actually were a better team in the 1st half and tried to play football.
The game is up for this style of football, other teams look upon us beatable.

I don't swallow the technical deficiencies of our players as an excuse for neanderthal football. And if we continue to play that crap we are sure to finish 4th at best.

The last paragraph is interesting an it suggests you've bought into Sky's propoganda about the strength and quality of the EPL. Here's something for you: the England team is falling down with top 6 EPL players, yet they still look technically deficient against the majority of international sides. Ireland are a poor man's England in this game. We cannot expect a bunch of average players to outplay anyone.

I don't watch Sky, I don't buy into their propaganda. If I watch an epl game, it's to see how the Irish players perform.
We cannot expect a bunch of average to outplay anyone?  Where did I utter that expectation? I expect our bunch of average players to play competently against another bunch of average players. That expectation is based on the history of most every qualification campaign since 1986, that we are competing in the group to the last game. That's the average standard  - that's not punching above our weight or punching above the weight of the players' current technical abilities -  even compared with most squads since 1992.
What's more evident in the last few years is that intl football has changed,  yet we have reverted to a limited  retro system, stuck with it steadfastly long after it served its purpose for us, . All teams know how we are set up and know we stick to it regardless. What we are left with now against Kazakhstan is hoofing over midfield  to Walters. Are you trying to say that we have not the players to do anything different in the game?
The second half against Faroes, we tried something radically different to our norm and it worked.  Even Norway (under the master of caution, Drillo)  are prepared to change the way they play football in this qual campaign.

[magpie seanie]

Hope someone sends Trapp a dvd of the West Brom v. Man City game.

[laoislad]

Hope someone sends Trapp a dvd of the West Brom v. Man City game.

Has Dzeko an Irish Granny? 

[magpie seanie]

Hope someone sends Trapp a dvd of the West Brom v. Man City game.

Has Dzeko an Irish Granny? 

If he did he probably wouldn't get a game either as he obviously wouldn't be obviously better than the obviously striker we have playing on the team.

[laoislad]

Hope someone sends Trapp a dvd of the West Brom v. Man City game.

Has Dzeko an Irish Granny? 

If he did he probably wouldn't get a game either as he obviously wouldn't be obviously better than the obviously striker we have playing on the team.

Obviously.

[Crete Boom]

Do any of the posters on here understand how limited the current crap 9sorry crop) of players are?

Take magpie's selction:

Westwood  - reserve at Sunderland

Kelly - not a regular at Fulham  Dunne = done 9great servant gone past sbd)   O'Shea - seriously limited player at Sunderland /Clarke  - best of the new bunch, I'd stick with him, but not a regular at AV   Wilson - worth a look, plays for Stoke

Coleman - cant command regular place at Everton but one of our better players  McCarthy - was once the grat new hope but has turned into a journeyman midfielder  Andrews - has dropped from premiership to championship strugglers bu dont doubt his spirit or commitment/Fahey  - not a regular at Birmingham   McLean - could be our answer to Wayne rRooney!!

    Long  - best of our forwards but hardly a goal a game man at WBA     Walters - game but limited in ability and not a regular goalscorer /Doyle - way off the boil

Notice something?
Man Utd - no players
Man City - no players
Chelsea - no players
Arsenal - no players
Spurs - no players

Worst squad for Republic in my memory.

Trapp derserves them.

Leo come on if you are going to argue that Trap is working with the worst Irish players ever you can't just use your opinion of players (which aren't even acurate) as fact. I think the only parts of your post that are credible are that Westwood is reserve at Sunderland, Kelly being out of the loop at Fulham and Doyle is seriously short of form over the last 18 months. Coleman has started 5 of Evertons competitive games this year and has played over 71 times in the last 3 years of which 56 he started.Now that's hardly not being able to command a place in a team. McCarthy while not Xavi is far from a journeyman who has held down a place in the heart of the Wigan midfield and anyone who has watched him play (albeit in a struggling team) can't have been but a little impressed.He was also young player of the year in Scotland when he was 17 just before he move to the premiership! I think he won a couple of player of the month awards last year as well. Hoolahan had a good game against Arsenal tonight and played 33 times last year for them who is another player who you said in a previous can't get a start! Long scored today against Man City , his 5th goal in 10 games which is pretty impressive and there's not to many players outside of Messi/Ronaldo who get close to a goal a game! John O'Shea seriously limited, well Alex Ferguson didn't think so and Martin O' Neill seems to have faith in him but sure what would they know Ciaran Clark started 8 out 9 games for Villa this season.I think this is the second time I have posted these stats but you still refuse to either read my posts or simply google these players! Shades of Trap there
Now I'm not saying there isn't an argument for Trap staying as manager but your argument that we have the worst squad ever goes against a lot of facts and the opinions of some very highly qualified football men. Actually if I think( and it's only my opinion) that our squad now is very similar to what Mick McCarthy got when he took over and he did quite well. Also Mick was a rookie manager getting payed alot less than Trap! Although I don't think I could ever forgive him for the handling of Keano in Saipan but that's a whole other can worms I'd prefer not to open!

[thewobbler]

Crete what you ignore every time you rhyme off these stats is that there is no current Irish player at a big club, or even on the radar of a big club.

Almost every Ireland team in history has had to carry a few journeymen. But to do that you need a few stars, and we don't have them. We dont even have reliable international players savs a few exceptions. It is EASILY the weakest crop of players available to a manager in the 25 years i've been able to form an opinion.

Oh and without meaning to sound like a nasty pedant, I have no doubt you appreciate it when others use paragraphs for long spiels of text, so good manners suggests you should too.

[J OGorman]

Crete what you ignore every time you rhyme off these stats is that there is no current Irish player at a big club, or even on the radar of a big club.

Almost every Ireland team in history has had to carry a few journeymen. But to do that you need a few stars, and we don't have them. We dont even have reliable international players savs a few exceptions. It is EASILY the weakest crop of players available to a manager in the 25 years i've been able to form an opinion.

Oh and without meaning to sound like a nasty pedant, I have no doubt you appreciate it when others use paragraphs for long spiels of text, so good manners suggests you should too.

There aren't that many top English players in the big clubs these days either

[angermanagement]

I heard on the radio earlier Trap was at the Norwich match tonight maybe Huolihan will be getting a call up at some stage.

[Leo]

Crete what you ignore every time you rhyme off these stats is that there is no current Irish player at a big club, or even on the radar of a big club.

Almost every Ireland team in history has had to carry a few journeymen. But to do that you need a few stars, and we don't have them. We dont even have reliable international players savs a few exceptions. It is EASILY the weakest crop of players available to a manager in the 25 years i've been able to form an opinion.

Oh and without meaning to sound like a nasty pedant, I have no doubt you appreciate it when others use paragraphs for long spiels of text, so good manners suggests you should too.

There aren't that many top English players in the big clubs these days either

Well that settles it - we might be crap but as long as England are nearly as equaly crap, dont worry!! This is the level of soccer debate that no doubt has its origin in Sky devotees.

I'd prefer to look at facts ...
there is no current Irish player at a big club, or even on the radar of a big club.


Says it all.

[laoislad]

Crete what you ignore every time you rhyme off these stats is that there is no current Irish player at a big club, or even on the radar of a big club.

Almost every Ireland team in history has had to carry a few journeymen. But to do that you need a few stars, and we don't have them. We dont even have reliable international players savs a few exceptions. It is EASILY the weakest crop of players available to a manager in the 25 years i've been able to form an opinion.

Oh and without meaning to sound like a nasty pedant, I have no doubt you appreciate it when others use paragraphs for long spiels of text, so good manners suggests you should too.

There aren't that many top English players in the big clubs these days either

Well that settles it - we might be crap but as long as England are nearly as equaly crap, dont worry!! This is the level of soccer debate that no doubt has its origin in Sky devotees.

I'd prefer to look at facts ...
there is no current Irish player at a big club, or even on the radar of a big club.


Says it all.

Yer man Brady is at Man United.

[J OGorman]

Crete what you ignore every time you rhyme off these stats is that there is no current Irish player at a big club, or even on the radar of a big club.

Almost every Ireland team in history has had to carry a few journeymen. But to do that you need a few stars, and we don't have them. We dont even have reliable international players savs a few exceptions. It is EASILY the weakest crop of players available to a manager in the 25 years i've been able to form an opinion.

Oh and without meaning to sound like a nasty pedant, I have no doubt you appreciate it when others use paragraphs for long spiels of text, so good manners suggests you should too.

There aren't that many top English players in the big clubs these days either

Well that settles it - we might be crap but as long as England are nearly as equaly crap, dont worry!! This is the level of soccer debate that no doubt has its origin in Sky devotees.

I'd prefer to look at facts ...
there is no current Irish player at a big club, or even on the radar of a big club.


Says it all.

Relax itchy knickers . What I'm saying is England is so awash with foreign players that there are relatively few English players playing for the top clubs. Only 2 years ago a player from the Championship won a cap. As a knock on effect, less Irish players are plying their trade with the top clubs...nothing agin Old Blighty at all.