FAI...June 2024 Friendlies v Hungary and Portugal

[rrhf]

I have a feeling o Neill will tell youse to fcuk off by the weekend. Principled man - won't take long to make up his mind.

[Gold]

Shane Long shouldve been on from the start...he's our best forward by a distance...there's a reason he plays in Prem and the Dazzler doesnt

As for McGeady being brought on...if he is the answer what it the f**king question?! I saw a player rating yesterday re McGeady where it said 'no end product'....i mean ffs..that has been said for over 10 yrs for that man....how he is in the squad idk

[seafoid]

I'd be inclined to put Christie in front of Coleman and let them work in tandem.

As for O'Neill, he rolled the dice at half time last night and lost out.  He has done remarkably well though to get us so close.  I hope some of those new young strikers plus Conor Hourihan could step up in the next campaign.  We have a solid group of players.  Unfortunately we're missing one top class forward player.

Donie Kingston has left the Laois panel...

[Billys Boots]

Dinny, it's not laid out in detail yet about the U15s, but the impression I'm getting is that it will be very localised leagues, i.e. Finn Harps won't be playing Waterford regularly.  I have misgivings about the U13s myself, but I haven't heard how this will be conducted yet.

Also on the U15, I hear they are being fairly strict on other codes too. Lads are being told that if they make the Waterford U15 team, they are not allowed play GAA etc.

That would be a concern, they are simply too young to be making that decision and committing to one sport
.

I don't know about that, but you would think that would be similar at 'elite' levels for most sports by U15.  Not at grassroots, mind. 

[Jim_Murphy_74]

It is informative to consider the bewilderment of outside observers when it comes to the level of expectation the soccer public in Ireland hold for their squad.   

Squads of greater ability than the current have come and gone, yet we have only graced 2 World Cups.  So, it is no surprising that O'Neill points out that they were within 90 minutes of this one.

On the whole he has done well with this squad result-wise.  As for style, there have been quibbles but style only becomes an issue when you lose.  I think most people choose to ignore the rantings of the likes of Dunphy et al.  Only a lunatic thinks that a 35 year old reserve from a Championship side is going to allow pass teams off the park. 

However, this week is a serious blot on the copybook, not just results wise.   From RTE, only Ronnie Whelan picked up on the fact that players were mouthing off with each other.  They were rattled.  They know that it was their failure to handle a short corner, not Keane's, not O'Neills.   I think the occasion got to some of them.    But we were told his strong point was motivating and giving lads confidence.   Also the half-time substitution smacked of management panic.   

O'Neill owes his employers and explanation for that but some of mad outrage elsewhere, well it's just mad Ted.

/Jim.

[Syferus]

It is informative to consider the bewilderment of outside observers when it comes to the level of expectation the soccer public in Ireland hold for their squad.   

Squads of greater ability than the current have come and gone, yet we have only graced 2 World Cups.  So, it is no surprising that O'Neill points out that they were within 90 minutes of this one.

On the whole he has done well with this squad result-wise.  As for style, there have been quibbles but style only becomes an issue when you lose.  I think most people choose to ignore the rantings of the likes of Dunphy et al.  Only a lunatic thinks that a 35 year old reserve from a Championship side is going to allow pass teams off the park. 

However, this week is a serious blot on the copybook, not just results wise.   From RTE, only Ronnie Whelan picked up on the fact that players were mouthing off with each other.  They were rattled.  They know that it was their failure to handle a short corner, not Keane's, not O'Neills.   I think the occasion got to some of them.    But we were told his strong point was motivating and giving lads confidence.   Also the half-time substitution smacked of management panic.   

O'Neill owes his employers and explanation for that but some of mad outrage elsewhere, well it's just mad Ted.

/Jim.

Jim, we need to talk.

[longballin]

It is informative to consider the bewilderment of outside observers when it comes to the level of expectation the soccer public in Ireland hold for their squad.   

Squads of greater ability than the current have come and gone, yet we have only graced 2 World Cups.  So, it is no surprising that O'Neill points out that they were within 90 minutes of this one.

On the whole he has done well with this squad result-wise.  As for style, there have been quibbles but style only becomes an issue when you lose.  I think most people choose to ignore the rantings of the likes of Dunphy et al.  Only a lunatic thinks that a 35 year old reserve from a Championship side is going to allow pass teams off the park. 

However, this week is a serious blot on the copybook, not just results wise.   From RTE, only Ronnie Whelan picked up on the fact that players were mouthing off with each other.  They were rattled.  They know that it was their failure to handle a short corner, not Keane's, not O'Neills.   I think the occasion got to some of them.    But we were told his strong point was motivating and giving lads confidence.   Also the half-time substitution smacked of management panic.   

O'Neill owes his employers and explanation for that but some of mad outrage elsewhere, well it's just mad Ted.

/Jim.

Jim, we need to talk.

Don't tell him...

[Esmarelda]

It is informative to consider the bewilderment of outside observers when it comes to the level of expectation the soccer public in Ireland hold for their squad.   

Squads of greater ability than the current have come and gone, yet we have only graced 2 World Cups.  So, it is no surprising that O'Neill points out that they were within 90 minutes of this one.

On the whole he has done well with this squad result-wise.  As for style, there have been quibbles but style only becomes an issue when you lose.  I think most people choose to ignore the rantings of the likes of Dunphy et al.  Only a lunatic thinks that a 35 year old reserve from a Championship side is going to allow pass teams off the park. 

However, this week is a serious blot on the copybook, not just results wise.   From RTE, only Ronnie Whelan picked up on the fact that players were mouthing off with each other.  They were rattled.  They know that it was their failure to handle a short corner, not Keane's, not O'Neills.   I think the occasion got to some of them.    But we were told his strong point was motivating and giving lads confidence.   Also the half-time substitution smacked of management panic.   

O'Neill owes his employers and explanation for that but some of mad outrage elsewhere, well it's just mad Ted.

/Jim.

I can't agree with a lot of this.

Who are the outside observers? The people that look at what clubs our players play for and make a judgement on that alone as you've done with Hoolahan? I've no interest in that type of analysis. Forget who Hoolahan plays for or what age he is or how worked up Dunphy gets about it and look at what happens when he plays compared to when he doesn't. It's like day and night, plain for anyone to see. O'Neill sees it and decides not to play him. That's his choice as manager of course.

As for the style, it's an issue for me regardless of results. We have been extremely lucky to get results and the luck ran out the other night. I had little enjoyment watching this campaign. It was almost embarrassing watching Coleman's goal to beat Georgia. I think Dunphy is largely right. He goes over the top sometimes but this week the Irish pundits have generally agreed with him; Brady, Andrews, Duff and Breen have all more or less stated what he's said.

I found this article to quite good http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/ireland-denmark-world-cup-2018-martin-oneill-short-term-solutions-a8057181.html

[Jim_Murphy_74]

It is informative to consider the bewilderment of outside observers when it comes to the level of expectation the soccer public in Ireland hold for their squad.   

Squads of greater ability than the current have come and gone, yet we have only graced 2 World Cups.  So, it is no surprising that O'Neill points out that they were within 90 minutes of this one.

On the whole he has done well with this squad result-wise.  As for style, there have been quibbles but style only becomes an issue when you lose.  I think most people choose to ignore the rantings of the likes of Dunphy et al.  Only a lunatic thinks that a 35 year old reserve from a Championship side is going to allow pass teams off the park. 

However, this week is a serious blot on the copybook, not just results wise.   From RTE, only Ronnie Whelan picked up on the fact that players were mouthing off with each other.  They were rattled.  They know that it was their failure to handle a short corner, not Keane's, not O'Neills.   I think the occasion got to some of them.    But we were told his strong point was motivating and giving lads confidence.   Also the half-time substitution smacked of management panic.   

O'Neill owes his employers and explanation for that but some of mad outrage elsewhere, well it's just mad Ted.

/Jim.

Jim, we need to talk.

Don't count so good....

/Jim.

[Avondhu star]

It is informative to consider the bewilderment of outside observers when it comes to the level of expectation the soccer public in Ireland hold for their squad.   

Squads of greater ability than the current have come and gone, yet we have only graced 2 World Cups.  So, it is no surprising that O'Neill points out that they were within 90 minutes of this one.

On the whole he has done well with this squad result-wise.  As for style, there have been quibbles but style only becomes an issue when you lose.  I think most people choose to ignore the rantings of the likes of Dunphy et al.  Only a lunatic thinks that a 35 year old reserve from a Championship side is going to allow pass teams off the park. 

However, this week is a serious blot on the copybook, not just results wise.   From RTE, only Ronnie Whelan picked up on the fact that players were mouthing off with each other.  They were rattled.  They know that it was their failure to handle a short corner, not Keane's, not O'Neills.   I think the occasion got to some of them.    But we were told his strong point was motivating and giving lads confidence.   Also the half-time substitution smacked of management panic.   

O'Neill owes his employers and explanation for that but some of mad outrage elsewhere, well it's just mad Ted.

/Jim.

Jim, we need to talk.

He missed the one where they wouldnt allow T.V.s in the ward as a precaution against patients getting over excited. Roy Keane has that effect on people

[supersub]

It is informative to consider the bewilderment of outside observers when it comes to the level of expectation the soccer public in Ireland hold for their squad.   

Squads of greater ability than the current have come and gone, yet we have only graced 2 World Cups.  So, it is no surprising that O'Neill points out that they were within 90 minutes of this one.

On the whole he has done well with this squad result-wise.  As for style, there have been quibbles but style only becomes an issue when you lose.  I think most people choose to ignore the rantings of the likes of Dunphy et al.  Only a lunatic thinks that a 35 year old reserve from a Championship side is going to allow pass teams off the park. 

However, this week is a serious blot on the copybook, not just results wise.   From RTE, only Ronnie Whelan picked up on the fact that players were mouthing off with each other.  They were rattled.  They know that it was their failure to handle a short corner, not Keane's, not O'Neills.   I think the occasion got to some of them.    But we were told his strong point was motivating and giving lads confidence.   Also the half-time substitution smacked of management panic.   

O'Neill owes his employers and explanation for that but some of mad outrage elsewhere, well it's just mad Ted.

/Jim.

I can't agree with a lot of this.

Who are the outside observers? The people that look at what clubs our players play for and make a judgement on that alone as you've done with Hoolahan? I've no interest in that type of analysis. Forget who Hoolahan plays for or what age he is or how worked up Dunphy gets about it and look at what happens when he plays compared to when he doesn't. It's like day and night, plain for anyone to see. O'Neill sees it and decides not to play him. That's his choice as manager of course.

As for the style, it's an issue for me regardless of results. We have been extremely lucky to get results and the luck ran out the other night. I had little enjoyment watching this campaign. It was almost embarrassing watching Coleman's goal to beat Georgia. I think Dunphy is largely right. He goes over the top sometimes but this week the Irish pundits have generally agreed with him; Brady, Andrews, Duff and Breen have all more or less stated what he's said.

I found this article to quite good http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/ireland-denmark-world-cup-2018-martin-oneill-short-term-solutions-a8057181.html

That may be the case, but if you are relying on someone of that age and from a club of their status, that is a major part of your problem.

Squad simply isn't good enough.

[An Watcher]

I dread the idea of O'Neill walking away.  Who would be in the running to replace him and get more out of this group of players?

[Syferus]

I dread the idea of O'Neill walking away.  Who would be in the running to replace him and get more out of this group of players?

In fairness spirit has never been an issue for any Irish team so to even try to credit it to this management is fracking daft as fûck.

MON's very poor tactically, his subs at HT prove that much at least. No one is going to lose much sleep if he walks.

[uimhr ocht]

I don't think any other manager would have got the team as far as O'Neil has took them,a few weeks ago in Cardiff he was being hailed for defeating wales he took the team to the euros and performed reasonably so the reaction to the Denmark result is way over the top.

[Milltown Row2]

I dread the idea of O'Neill walking away.  Who would be in the running to replace him and get more out of this group of players?

In fairness spirit has never been an issue for any Irish team so to even try to credit it to this management is fracking daft as fûck.

MON's very poor tactically, his subs at HT prove that much at least. No one is going to lose much sleep if he walks.

Listen to yourself Ffs!

Getting this team to be winning after 30 minutes of a second leg play off, after drawing away from home, to the World Cup finals with the shittest of teams, and you are giving off about his tactical gamble at halftime, which was to try and win the game after his defenders gifted two goals!!

Thicker than I gave you credit for