FAI...June 2024 Friendlies v Hungary and Portugal

[Baile Brigín 2]

So is the belief the rule is shit because people can switch or because the granny rule is too far removed to truly have allegiance to a country? I can't speak for every irish american but I'd be able to play in ireland (mom) usa (born) and italy (dads parents) and I'd play in that order respectively so there's plenty of people who'd play for ireland based on at least parent rule. But I fully believe that when you move up, friendlies or not, that should count as choosing your country.

I dont think eligibility is the issue. Nationality can be nuanced. The issue is more that he was Irish, changed agent, strung us along, became English. Its a snakey, hungry call.

It's just soccer. It's typical soccer behaviour. It's what those people are. Out for themselves, no loyalty, lining their own pockets. Money. People should just let it go.

Those people?

[BennyCake]

The pity is not so much that he declared for England, more that he played for Ireland and we could have nabbed him by capping him in a competitive fixture. From a purely selfish point of view, mind.

I wonder how many players in the past declared for Ireland and then regretted not holding out for the England call up when they realised they were good enough? I suspect one is Andy Townsend who recounted being in a holiday bar cheering for England against Ireland in Euro '88 and months later was togging out in green at Dalymount.

I'm glad he wasn't capped in a competitive match now. If he had been capped competitively, he would have been "stuck" playing for Ireland.

The way he's gone about it, playing in Ireland friendlies, then declaring for England. Well, that just shows you where his allegiance truly lies.

So, whatever. Lets concentrate on supporting the team and the players who really want to play for Ireland.

[Baile Brigín 2]

The pity is not so much that he declared for England, more that he played for Ireland and we could have nabbed him by capping him in a competitive fixture. From a purely selfish point of view, mind.

I wonder how many players in the past declared for Ireland and then regretted not holding out for the England call up when they realised they were good enough? I suspect one is Andy Townsend who recounted being in a holiday bar cheering for England against Ireland in Euro '88 and months later was togging out in green at Dalymount.

I'm glad he wasn't capped in a competitive match now. If he had been capped competitively, he would have been "stuck" playing for Ireland.

The way he's gone about it, playing in Ireland friendlies, then declaring for England. Well, that just shows you where his allegiance truly lies.

So, whatever. Lets concentrate on supporting the team and the players who really want to play for Ireland.

I think he was perfectly happy to play for us. His utterences seemed that direction. The agent seems to be pulling strings here.

[spuds]

So is the belief the rule is shit because people can switch or because the granny rule is too far removed to truly have allegiance to a country? I can't speak for every irish american but I'd be able to play in ireland (mom) usa (born) and italy (dads parents) and I'd play in that order respectively so there's plenty of people who'd play for ireland based on at least parent rule. But I fully believe that when you move up, friendlies or not, that should count as choosing your country.

I dont think eligibility is the issue. Nationality can be nuanced. The issue is more that he was Irish, changed agent, strung us along, became English. Its a snakey, hungry call.

It's just soccer. It's typical soccer behaviour. It's what those people are. Out for themselves, no loyalty, lining their own pockets. Money. People should just let it go.

Those people?

So is the belief the rule is shit because people can switch or because the granny rule is too far removed to truly have allegiance to a country? I can't speak for every irish american but I'd be able to play in ireland (mom) usa (born) and italy (dads parents) and I'd play in that order respectively so there's plenty of people who'd play for ireland based on at least parent rule. But I fully believe that when you move up, friendlies or not, that should count as choosing your country.

I dont think eligibility is the issue. Nationality can be nuanced. The issue is more that he was Irish, changed agent, strung us along, became English. Its a snakey, hungry call.

He was never Irish, he was British and played for the Rep of Ireland and now he wants to play for England.

Let it go lads before you sound as whiny as the IFA have done over the last number of years.

Who is whining? Im happy its over, he should have been shown the door the minute he wavered.

If its ok with you people on a discussion forum would like to discuss things.

[trailer]

So is the belief the rule is shit because people can switch or because the granny rule is too far removed to truly have allegiance to a country? I can't speak for every irish american but I'd be able to play in ireland (mom) usa (born) and italy (dads parents) and I'd play in that order respectively so there's plenty of people who'd play for ireland based on at least parent rule. But I fully believe that when you move up, friendlies or not, that should count as choosing your country.

I dont think eligibility is the issue. Nationality can be nuanced. The issue is more that he was Irish, changed agent, strung us along, became English. Its a snakey, hungry call.

It's just soccer. It's typical soccer behaviour. It's what those people are. Out for themselves, no loyalty, lining their own pockets. Money. People should just let it go.

Those people?

So is the belief the rule is shit because people can switch or because the granny rule is too far removed to truly have allegiance to a country? I can't speak for every irish american but I'd be able to play in ireland (mom) usa (born) and italy (dads parents) and I'd play in that order respectively so there's plenty of people who'd play for ireland based on at least parent rule. But I fully believe that when you move up, friendlies or not, that should count as choosing your country.

I dont think eligibility is the issue. Nationality can be nuanced. The issue is more that he was Irish, changed agent, strung us along, became English. Its a snakey, hungry call.

He was never Irish, he was British and played for the Rep of Ireland and now he wants to play for England.

Let it go lads before you sound as whiny as the IFA have done over the last number of years.

Who is whining? Im happy its over, he should have been shown the door the minute he wavered.

If its ok with you people on a discussion forum would like to discuss things.

[LCohen]

Let him f**k off the bollix. I hope he ends up playing Jack grealish in the championship. All about the money. Forget him, move on with what we have.

Lad from England, born in England, of English parents developed through the English club system decides to play for England and this is your reaction?

Yup and if you don't like it I couldn't care less.

Why do you reference money? Are you absolutely sure it boils down to money with Declan?

[Itchy]

Let him f**k off the bollix. I hope he ends up playing Jack grealish in the championship. All about the money. Forget him, move on with what we have.

Lad from England, born in England, of English parents developed through the English club system decides to play for England and this is your reaction?

Yup and if you don't like it I couldn't care less.

Why do you reference money? Are you absolutely sure it boils down to money with Declan?

Pretty sure when he said he made decision with his head as well as his heart that what he meant.

[LCohen]

Let him f**k off the bollix. I hope he ends up playing Jack grealish in the championship. All about the money. Forget him, move on with what we have.

Lad from England, born in England, of English parents developed through the English club system decides to play for England and this is your reaction?

Yup and if you don't like it I couldn't care less.

Why do you reference money? Are you absolutely sure it boils down to money with Declan?

Pretty sure when he said he made decision with his head as well as his heart that what he meant.

So he wasn't referring to his increased confidence in being able to win England caps? He wasn't referring to England qualifying for mor tournaments? He wasn't thinking about England going further in those tournaments?

[Itchy]

Let him f**k off the bollix. I hope he ends up playing Jack grealish in the championship. All about the money. Forget him, move on with what we have.

Lad from England, born in England, of English parents developed through the English club system decides to play for England and this is your reaction?

Yup and if you don't like it I couldn't care less.

Why do you reference money? Are you absolutely sure it boils down to money with Declan?

Pretty sure when he said he made decision with his head as well as his heart that what he meant.

So he wasn't referring to his increased confidence in being able to win England caps? He wasn't referring to England qualifying for mor tournaments? He wasn't thinking about England going further in those tournaments?

Nope money

[Applesisapples]

Professional sport is just that, professional and why would a player not be as mercenary about international football as he would be about club football, sure look at the 6 nations countries with their naturalised Southern Hemisphere players. Ireland is shit at soccer, it is a third football code and will always struggle to produce quality.

[BennyHarp]

Let him f**k off the bollix. I hope he ends up playing Jack grealish in the championship. All about the money. Forget him, move on with what we have.

Lad from England, born in England, of English parents developed through the English club system decides to play for England and this is your reaction?

Yup and if you don't like it I couldn't care less.

Why do you reference money? Are you absolutely sure it boils down to money with Declan?

Pretty sure when he said he made decision with his head as well as his heart that what he meant.

So he wasn't referring to his increased confidence in being able to win England caps? He wasn't referring to England qualifying for mor tournaments? He wasn't thinking about England going further in those tournaments?

In the same way that players always seem to sign for the team they supported as a child? We all love to think that footballers share the innocent love of the game that supporters do but the fact of the matter is that as soon as he makes his England debut his transfer fee will increase by millions of pounds and his potential weekly wage will go through the roof. Those crooks in charge of West Ham were determined that he declared for England - I wonder why? This is a business and the kid has been advised to take the course of action that maximises his future earning potential - the rest is just waffle for the fans.

[Milltown Row2]

What's good for the goose and all that... He's been talked up a lot in England, whether he makes the grade or not at international level is another thing, by getting a few caps for England that will certainly boost his name and his earnings, plus make him a bigger target for bigger clubs..

A no brainer, not forgetting his previous caps he played for the ROI but he would be completely British/English to the core

[Dolph1]

Let him f**k off the bollix. I hope he ends up playing Jack grealish in the championship. All about the money. Forget him, move on with what we have.

Lad from England, born in England, of English parents developed through the English club system decides to play for England and this is your reaction?

Yup and if you don't like it I couldn't care less.

Why do you reference money? Are you absolutely sure it boils down to money with Declan?

Pretty sure when he said he made decision with his head as well as his heart that what he meant.

So he wasn't referring to his increased confidence in being able to win England caps? He wasn't referring to England qualifying for mor tournaments? He wasn't thinking about England going further in those tournaments?

In the same way that players always seem to sign for the team they supported as a child? We all love to think that footballers share the innocent love of the game that supporters do but the fact of the matter is that as soon as he makes his England debut his transfer fee will increase by millions of pounds and his potential weekly wage will go through the roof. Those crooks in charge of West Ham were determined that he declared for England - I wonder why? This is a business and the kid has been advised to take the course of action that maximises his future earning potential - the rest is just waffle for the fans.

Rice just signed a new contract with West Ham. Could be a clause in there which he'd pick up a huge bonus for England caps.
We know the ridiculous sums England players move for even with only a couple of caps so west ham could have enticed him to pick them.
Does anyone know of any restrictions of foreign international players due to brexit? 

[trailer]

Let him f**k off the bollix. I hope he ends up playing Jack grealish in the championship. All about the money. Forget him, move on with what we have.

Lad from England, born in England, of English parents developed through the English club system decides to play for England and this is your reaction?

Yup and if you don't like it I couldn't care less.

Why do you reference money? Are you absolutely sure it boils down to money with Declan?

Pretty sure when he said he made decision with his head as well as his heart that what he meant.

So he wasn't referring to his increased confidence in being able to win England caps? He wasn't referring to England qualifying for mor tournaments? He wasn't thinking about England going further in those tournaments?

In the same way that players always seem to sign for the team they supported as a child? We all love to think that footballers share the innocent love of the game that supporters do but the fact of the matter is that as soon as he makes his England debut his transfer fee will increase by millions of pounds and his potential weekly wage will go through the roof. Those crooks in charge of West Ham were determined that he declared for England - I wonder why? This is a business and the kid has been advised to take the course of action that maximises his future earning potential - the rest is just waffle for the fans.

Rice just signed a new contract with West Ham. Could be a clause in there which he'd pick up a huge bonus for England caps.
We know the ridiculous sums England players move for even with only a couple of caps so west ham could have enticed him to pick them.
Does anyone know of any restrictions of foreign international players due to brexit?

Free movement of people will end. All EEA nationals will have to apply for a visa.

[bogball88]

Was in a bar in Antalya after the turkey friendly that he was playing-his aul lad was belting away the rebel songs with everyone