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It's official! Tho the 'consultant' title would lead to believe that its a part time role.

[But we're talking here about a gopher or lackey.]

I'm trying to point out that there are a hundred shades of grey.

A child told him that he was raped by a priest, and that the priest was also raping other children.
He made the child swear an oath of secrecy never to repeat what he told him.
The priest continued to abuse children for years after that.

The shades of grey is certainly in the eye of the beholder!

But its the blind attitude of Orior and similar that has given priests, bishops, cardinals etc such power of hundreds of years. The evil ones (and nobody will dispute there have been been evil popes) take full advantage because of the stupidity of "blind faith" the priests, bishops and cardinals try to brainwash us Catholics all with.

Of course the perpetrators of the actual crimes should and mostly have been prosecuted.

But we're talking here about a gopher or lackey. They lackey was being directed by what was in essence the Internal Investigation Branch of the Catholic Church. There are lots of heroic films on TV about Police Internal Investigation Branch and often how they are corrupt they often are. This hunt is focussed on the lackey, and chastising him because he didnt have the courage to be a whistle blower in the 1970's. The hunt completely ignores the good he had acheived in his life.

This is unreal! He was a 36 year old canon lawyer who obviously was well thought of with the powers that be in the church! For 13 years did he never think why Smyth was not up before the courts and was he still raping children? He had the power to stop it but didn't! End of story!
What gets me really cross is that a 13/14 year old who was previously repeatedly raped by a priest was taken into a locked room with 3 priests and asked all sorts of sick questions. The wee fella must've been in complete fear. Really really sick!!

But that was the way life was in the 1970's. There wasnt the army of social workers, the raft of help lines, nor the internet to see if the same thing was happening elsewhere.

Ahh, so that makes it ok then...

[But we're talking here about a gopher or lackey.]

I'm trying to point out that there are a hundred shades of grey.

A child told him that he was raped by a priest, and that the priest was also raping other children.
He made the child swear an oath of secrecy never to repeat what he told him.
The priest continued to abuse children for years after that.

The shades of grey is certainly in the eye of the beholder!

But its the blind attitude of Orior and similar that has given priests, bishops, cardinals etc such power of hundreds of years. The evil ones (and nobody will dispute there have been been evil popes) take full advantage because of the stupidity of "blind faith" the priests, bishops and cardinals try to brainwash us Catholics all with.

Of course the perpetrators of the actual crimes should and mostly have been prosecuted.

But we're talking here about a gopher or lackey. They lackey was being directed by what was in essence the Internal Investigation Branch of the Catholic Church. There are lots of heroic films on TV about Police Internal Investigation Branch and often how they are corrupt they often are. This hunt is focussed on the lackey, and chastising him because he didnt have the courage to be a whistle blower in the 1970's. The hunt completely ignores the good he had acheived in his life.

This is unreal! He was a 36 year old canon lawyer who obviously was well thought of with the powers that be in the church! For 13 years did he never think why Smyth was not up before the courts and was he still raping children? He had the power to stop it but didn't! End of story!
What gets me really cross is that a 13/14 year old who was previously repeatedly raped by a priest was taken into a locked room with 3 priests and asked all sorts of sick questions. The wee fella must've been in complete fear. Really really sick!!

Cardinal Brady is a decent, honest and devout man. He surrendered his freedom to preach the Word. Those people baying for his blood have no idea of the suffering and torment that he has gone through during his time as a clergyman.

FFS!! He made a raped child swear on a bible never to repeat the accusations and then done next to feck all to stop 13 more years of rape!

If we were able to leave our justifiable outrage and anger aside, remove personalities from the debate, and approach the issue from a purely acedemic and philosophical standpoint, we might just be surprised where our reasoning would take us.     Anyone with experience of work within any kind of institution would know the imperative of passing problems up through the change of command to the point where action can be taken by the appropiate person. In most organisations today responsibility is collective and includes a duty of loyalty to the employing authority. Problems are expected to be discussed and hopefully dealt with in-house, but the individual employee will not necessarily be appraised of the outcome of any subsequent action. Sometimes individuals have to make difficult choices  whether to stick to agreed and approved procedures within their organisations structures or go on a solo run. In different ways we have all at some time faced this dilemna, and made choices based on our own rationale. This experience should have taught us that it is never easy, and to be wary of rushing to judgement on others, without knowing the full facts about the limitations and self doubt they laboured under.
As an aside i believe that Dr.Brady should resign, for the greater good of the Church, this does imply any judgement on his character or actions

Whilst passing this information up the chain of command is probably the first act in most organizations, it's not enough! In the following 13 years as he got promotion after promotion did he never think -  hold on I've never heard of Smyth being in court? where is he now? has he still access to children? He was very high up in the Church in Ireland in the mid 80's and for him to claim he didn't know Smyth was still a active priest only insults our intelligence. As a man of god his primary aim should be protection of the innocent, not self preservation of the church!
Now that Brendan Boland has called for Brady's resignation and said that if he stays it further abuse of himself and other victims, I don't think Brady can sit tight and brave this one out. He'll be gone within the week.

He says that he did all that was expected of him by passing the information onto his boss. Surely he was very aware for 13 years after the interviews that Smith was still free and very likely to be still roaming the country and raping children. Did that thought never cross his mind in 13 fecking years??

Brady was a grown and well educated man when he made a child put his hand on the bible and swear to secrecy. For Brady to portray this imagine of him being a wee shy secretary who had to do what he was told doesn't wash. Meanwhile Smith was then let go to proceed and rape numerous other children for years after! God only knows how many lives were wrecked (and subsequent suicides) because of Smith and the coverups. Not only should he resign but he should also be dragged through the courts along with his cohorts!

Any results from weekend?
Anyone know where I could find fixture list?

Derry Final result: Glen 1.15 Slaughtneil 1.06. The Watties will be back in Dromore looking to defend their title.

Possibly the lowest period in the history of Gaelic football.
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I would consider the lowest ebb of Gaelic football, was when Kerry were playing basketball in the 70's & 80's and throwing the ball into the net. The original puke football IMO

Looks good Chris. As long as there's up to date fixtures then I'm happy. Seeing as there'll be the capability for non admin people to upload word doc's etc, then it might be a useful to have a weekly notes section where club pro's could upload into? This would be helpful for gaels aboard who don't have access to the local press. Keep up good work!

I was under the impression that the centre of the crossbar is always to be black as a mark of respect to those who were murdered in Croke Park on Bloody Sunday.

Looks to me like they stitch them together in Strabane...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0gVoSLIv84