The Palestine thread

[seafoid]

This is very interesting- Fox news outrage over Israeli PM  going over the head of Obama to speak directly to Congress
Any sign of Professor Sheehy ?

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/24/7884311/netanyahu-boehner-fox-news

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/there-are-things-you-simply-dont-do

On the record, President Obama and his team have said very little about congressional Republicans partnering with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to derail international nuclear talks with Iran. Administration officials said the president will not meet with Netanyahu during his March trip, but that's only to prevent the appearance of interference with the Israeli election to be held two weeks later.



Behind the scenes, however, it seems the White House isn't pleased.


"Senior American official" as quoted by Haaretz: "We thought we've seen everything. But Bibi managed to surprise even us. There are things you simply don't do. He spat in our face publicly and that's no way to behave. Netanyahu ought to remember that President Obama has a year and a half left to his presidency, and that there will be a price."

Josh Marshall added that even American Jewish groups "who seldom allow any daylight between themselves and the Israeli government appear shocked by Netanyahu's move and are having difficulty defending it."



There are things you simply don't do.



I've been thinking about why this story strikes me as so important, and I realize that on the surface, it may not seem shocking to everyone. Republicans oppose the diplomacy with Iran; Netanyahu opposes the diplomacy with Iran. Perhaps their partnership was predictable?



Sure, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) ignored U.S. protocol by circumventing the administration and reaching out to a foreign leader on his own, but given the degree to which Republicans have abandoned traditional norms in the Obama era, maybe this isn't that startling, either.



The problem, however, which I fear has been largely overlooked, is that it's genuinely dangerous for the federal government to try to operate this way.





I'm reminded of an incident from August, near the height of the crisis involving Central American children reaching the U.S. border, when Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) traveled to Guatemala. While there, the senator met with leading Guatemalan officials, including their president, and told them that the problem was Obama's problem, not theirs.

In other words, an American senator visited with foreign leaders on foreign soil, denounced the American president, and undermined American foreign policy. During the Bush/Cheney era, Republicans used to characterize such moves as borderline treasonous.


Five months later, the GOP en masse is working to cut off American-led international talks at the knees.
The point, of course, is that in the Obama era, Republicans have no use for the maxim about politics stopping "at the water's edge." For many GOP lawmakers, there is no American foreign policy – there's the president's foreign policy and there's a Republican foreign policy. If the latter is at odds with the former, GOP officials are comfortable taking deliberate steps to undermine the White House.

[Mike Sheehy]

Well we all know that you hate uppity jews Seafoid so I am not surprised that you are aligning yourself with Fox news on this one.

[seafoid]

Well we all know that you hate uppity jews Seafoid so I am not surprised that you are aligning yourself with Fox news on this one.

I think the lobby is somewhere it doesn't like- Foxlight
Do you think going over the head of the executive is good political practice and good for American democracy ?

[Mike Sheehy]

Well we all know that you hate uppity jews Seafoid so I am not surprised that you are aligning yourself with Fox news on this one.

I think the lobby is somewhere it doesn't like- Foxlight
Do you think going over the head of the executive is good political practice and good for American democracy ?

No I don't believe that going over the head of the executive is good political practice because I believe in the democratic process and this violates it.

but, sure, whats the point in trying to discuss what is good political practice with someone who is too cowardly to even state what his own political views are. All we know about you is that you hate jews and the US, elites etc...I don't think anyone on here can state with any certainty what you are actually for...

[dec]

Netanyahu decides to be honest about his intentions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/17/world/middleeast/benjamin-netanyahu-campaign-settlement.html?_r=0

"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel said Monday that as long as he is the leader, a Palestinian state would not be established, reversing his support for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict..."

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Well that's that cleared up, so.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/netanyahu-nbc-Tells NBC He Wants a 'Peaceful Two-State Solution'

[seafoid]

Well that's that cleared up, so.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/netanyahu-nbc-Tells NBC He Wants a 'Peaceful Two-State Solution'

Plámás

Israel didn't spent $100bn on a project over 48 years to now turn around and walk away from it.
Apartheid is the only game in town.

[Mike Sheehy]

ISIS have shown Israelies what the caliphate espoused by Hamas really means. The result is no surprise in that context.

The question now really boils down to whether the Palestinians will stop supporting Jihad. Do they want a state or a caliphate ?

[Mike Sheehy]

Well that's that cleared up, so.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/netanyahu-nbc-Tells NBC He Wants a 'Peaceful Two-State Solution'

Plámás

Israel didn't spent $100bn on a project over 48 years to now turn around and walk away from it.
Apartheid is the only game in town.

In all the time I've been on this board I have never seen anyone emphasize the "apartness" of jews and Muslim/arabs as you. Charity begins at home Seafoid.

[muppet]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.648465

Mar. 23, 2015 | 9:53 PM
White House chief of staff: 50 years of Israeli occupation must end
U.S. cannot pretend Netanyahu didn't say no Palestinian state would be established on his watch, Denis McDonough tells J Street conference in Washington.

[seafoid]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.648465

Mar. 23, 2015 | 9:53 PM
White House chief of staff: 50 years of Israeli occupation must end
U.S. cannot pretend Netanyahu didn't say no Palestinian state would be established on his watch, Denis McDonough tells J Street conference in Washington.

Obama seems to be playing Netanyahu like a violin
That racist video to get the jewish vote out went down very badly in the US.

[Mike Sheehy]

I am surprised the heroes on here have not immediately rushed to the aid of the Palestinian refugees under "threat" from ISIS

http://rt.com/news/246045-yarmouk-isis-damascus-refugees/

Perhaps they want to control the message. No need for the hipsters to see what it is really all about..

[Mike Sheehy]

//http://time.com/3800010/yarmouk-isis-damascus/

This thing is a mess. Who is to fault here I wonder ?

[macdanger2]

A complete mess and the people forced out of that refugee camp are only a tiny fraction of the amount of Syrians displaced - ~ 7m internally and ~ 4m external refugees. Not to mention refugees from Lybia, Egypt, etc. Hard to know where it will all end

[rossiewanderer]

What would a Palestine State achieve? Would it become a nation of sharia law?