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I saw a picture of Oisin Treacey from Bredagh, no 16, I presume the sub goalkeeper. Eamonn Brown's brother was on the panel too, don't know the other two.

James Kelly and Conor Murphy from Burren I think.

I see Juveniles need tickets for corrigan pk.

Surely you should know that by now .Do the Juveniles get into your beloved Old Tarfford for free?  

Juveniles free into our beloved Pairc Esler for league games this year.

Laverty not involved as he knows there is no chance of them even winning a game.

Was there not uproar on this same forum when this same group underachieved at minor level?
Management was blamed?

That was last year's group - which to be fair to Laverty he won Ulster u20 with.

It is hard to keep tabs on the years with the change in ages and covid.

Next year's u20s definitely not as strong on paper.

Any word of a change to the Minor management team. Surely they won't get another year. They were destroyed in every single game this year.

Always interesting to hear this point of view. What work has been going on at club level to improve these players? After all, that is where they spend 80% of their time.

The 2 u20 teams that won ulster titles were failed at minor level also by poor management teams. Its glaring what the issue is. Yes the clubs have these players as do the schools for a longer time than the minor management but so do the Down development.

u17s vs u20s isn't an exact comparison.

u20s a wider age grade - the 1st u20 had 3 starters that were not available at u17 because they were u15 at that stage.

Also I believe the 1st u20 Ulster team had no minor u17 year as they fell into the age change year from u18 to u17 at minor so missed that grade. If that is correct then there is no real comparison to judge that team/management on.

Then the 2nd team while they undoubtedly underachieved at minor were in the Covid situation and I know from chatting to a few of the lads at the time that they found it very difficult with all the restrictions and if you remember it was very doubtful even up to very close to the match whether the competition would be played - and even if it got started it was doubtful if it would be finished - was very hard to stay motivated for young lads in that situation.

So while there is no doubt that the u20 management did better, the circumstances they had were not the same as the u17 in the same age group to be fair to them.

The annual Kilcoo Burren boxing match not take place last night? Laverty must be doing some job alright!

At least 3 video cameras pointed at the game might have contributed to the lack of boxing as well.

Any Burren posters? I know we have a few but kind mind who - have a question about the Burren/Island game

I was at that one - pretty forgettable performance from a Burren perspective - ask away.

Questions have to be asked about how that Down team were handled at minor level. They are a serious outfit.

From the 2020 minor semifinals only Kerry have made it back. Down, Sligo and Kildare have replaced Derry, Roscommon and Meath.

Covid 19 pandemic ?

CV19 definitely a big factor - from memory that game was played at height of it.

There were several Down players isolating in the run up to the game.

Also the stop/start nature of competition that year was disheartening for the players. I remember at the time motivation was hard to maintain for the players - even if you won the match there was a lot of doubt at the time whether the competition would proceed any further.

Very depressing time looking back.

Plus it was one of those days where nothing clicked on the field for Down - happens sometimes.

I'm sure Fermanagh might have had a lot of the same issues going on, but on the day they got their tactics right (very defensive set up- forced Down into a lot of low percentage shooting) and got the result.

Big decision tonight on the crazy 7 day rule by the DRA.

Any word on this. I don't see anything in the press.

Clare unsuccessful

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41119969.html

There might be a request to move the u20 date, but they don't have many options with Down Seniors this weekend and Derry the following and then the AI u20 semi is pencilled in for first weekend in May. So will u20 final will probably stay next week.

I think Down will let their u20s play in the final - not so sure about Derry.

8 Burren starters and this group never won an Ulster minor club title??

Was it not cancelled for 2 years due to covid??

It was but would these lads not be same age as Lavey crop who won 2 in a row?

No - Lavey won Ulster minor in 2019 - this Burren team won u16 McGirr that year.

They did play that Lavey team in McGirr semi as a largely u15 team in 2018 ( think there were 3 last year u16 players started that day) and lost by a point - should have beat Lavey that day - awful amount of wides from Burren if I remember correctly.

Then they missed the McConville cup due to CV19 pause in 2020, plus they only had one year at minor due to the u17 switch.

Given that they beat everyone by about 20 points in the '19 McGirr they would have been very strong favourites to win a minor too, but unfortunately a lot of football was lost that year - they were lucky to even get a county championship in back then - dark days.

Any word on the Down team?

Teams here:

https://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Tyrone-v-Down-U20.pdf

[23Mb/s is good for feeding 1080p]

Just done a speed check on my Starlink connection; 167 mbps d/l and 23 u/l
I haven't seen any issues with speeds shrinking.

Uplink is the key speed barometer here - 23Mb/s is good for feeding 1080p to the streaming server, but little room to go any better. In my experience it's no better than EE 4G in most cases in d'north

Reports concerning shrinking speeds have come from here based on tests done with Ookla - but of course individual experiences can vary.

The likes of Starlink and other potential LEO satellite services (e.g. OneWeb) definitely have a place in areas where it is unlikely FTTP or a fast enough wireless terrestrial network (mobile or FWA) will likely reach, but while LEO satellite internet removes some of the bottlenecks that are inherent in Geostationary satellite internet, there's still a ceiling in the potential available - it's fine for now for most current customers, but as/if more customers come on stream, either more satellites are required (and there is realistically a finite number here - there's enough junk metal orbiting earth as it is!) and/or the available bandwidth has to be spread among more users. There's nothing unusual about this - as newer internet service technologies have come on over the years, new adopters often get great speeds for the technology of the time, but they get gradually slower as more users get on board with it, happened with ADSL, FTTC/VDSL2, 4G LTE and its starting to happen with 5G NR too. Even happened in the 80's & 90's with dial-up connections.

23Mbps is loads for 1080p - enough for 4k with modern encoders.

HEVC encoders on the market specced at 20Mbps max BW for 4k.

Professional broadcasters using HEVC at 6Mbps for news feeds and live with bonded sim and Satellite broadband at 1080i these days - might want to push it for sport content to 8Mbps with the extra motion.

Where can I watch the Kilcoo/Ballybay game?

https://ulster.gaa.ie/tv/

Decent enough game in the marshes this evening. You can't help but wonder if the Bridge lost because all their players were cramping up in extra time when none of the Burren lads appeared to be suffering. Bridge lads aren't being trained appropriately, perhaps?

Burren a young team too - that might have been a factor - think there were 5 or 6 u20s on Burren starting team.

Bridge should have won it in normal time though.

Both teams at it last night . No innocent parties . It's a very toxic atmosphere at them games

Both teams had players who were 'at it' as you say.

But I think it should be said that the young fella who probably had the most reason to go out last night and start a row showed the rest of them how it should be done. Was marking the lad that hit him a few weeks ago and did it hard and fair and just marked him out of the game. No low blows, no dirt, no sledging.

That's how it should be done.

Players need to be reminded that's its football if they want thuggery go take up MMA or something. They're no use to a football team looking on from the sidelines.

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Ohh I fully agree we need someone like Gallagher who will take no shit but there isn't many of his elk around as far as I know??.. Back to O'Neill only thing I can think for him to leave would be the travelling, I'm not sure where he is living why I would even approach him just to see if somewhere closer to home would be of interest too him.

Malachy O'Rourke is another name I wouldn't mind us going for although depends how Glen go in Derry if he'll want to change.

Please understand we are probably the least attractive county job out there at present. No regular training facility, an inept county board, players who would rather spoof on a podcast than put their shoulder to the wheel, players who won't commit to the county, huge player turnover in last few years - I agree with previous poster about it being a 5 year project - but that's two fold
1. People giving the management team that length of time to build and maintain a group of players
2. Players willing to put everything into the cause for this period of time with possibly little reward but in the knowledge they are leading us in the right direction again.
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The county executive is trying their best and they are trying to take the county forward, let's be honest ten years ago so the country's finances were in a dire mess, and time was spent getting these correct and they are in a better position now becuase of this. It's very easy to blame a few dedicated volunteers who probably spend all their spare time sorting stuff off. I laugh when I see comments on Facebook or Twitter saying sack the county board. Yeah right as there have been loads of nominations for officers at  convention recently. Before you complain have you volunteered?

Whoever we get needs the players to respect the manager the jersey and the tradition of Down GAA. Last year the PLAYERS did not respect the jersey, if they felt the setup was not perfect then that's okay but do not disrespect the jerseys and history of this county. Spilling the beans to that clown Colm Parkinson served no purpose and it made us look like a laughing stock.

Laverty might not be everyone's cup of tea but I think he would get rid of the spoofers and get a winning culture.
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Definitely in the bad books around Burren at the moment after the match a couple of weeks back. Might find some of the Burren lads wouldn't be keen on playing for CL as things stand.

Also no one has mentioned that CL is still playing. Is it possible to manage a senior co team and play club - especially if Kilcoo were to go on another Ulster/AI club run?