Hastings Cup 2016 - Now back to normal

[Syferus]

U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.

[rodney trotter]

The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.

2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.

Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships

With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?

Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.

U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.

I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s

[Syferus]

The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.

2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.

Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships

With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?

Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.

U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.

I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s

Many counties don't have an option, particularly ones involved in the Hastings Cup - counties that aren't large but take their football very seriously.

We had a situation where even with U21 players this (partly thanks to Brigids' AI run and partly injuries) we were naming teams in the league that would seem experimental in the FBD, nevermind compeditive games.

We're asking too much of U21s and county players in general but adding games to their plate while the mess that is the start of the calender year hasn't been sorted is a slap in the face of the idea that any of the suits (or managers, at that) give two fecks about player safety.

[The Insider]

Well done to Longford on another victory in getting permission for an expanded competition . This competition has gone from 4 to 12 teams over the last 2 years. Without this counties would be looking to play meaningless challenges and it will give the likes of Leitrim a chance to see how they match up with Tipperary who will be looking to match their All Ireland Minor victory in 2011 with the U-21 in 2014 . Tipp would tell you that playing in the Leinster minor league in 2011 was part of the reason for their success . Longord would not have won the minor in 2010 without having played in the Connaught league . If we get over Westmeath in the 1st round , I feel we'll give it a good go again and would have no fear of facing the Dubs in semi final again . Would be interesting to see Dessie Farrell v Jack Sheedy on line that night  !!

[Rossfan]

Careful.... it could be all a GPA PLOT 

[rodney trotter]

The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.

2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.

Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships

With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?

Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.

U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.

I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s

Many counties don't have an option, particularly ones involved in the Hastings Cup - counties that aren't large but take their football very seriously.

We had a situation where even with U21 players this (partly thanks to Brigids' AI run and partly injuries) we were naming teams in the league that would seem experimental in the FBD, nevermind compeditive games.

We're asking too much of U21s and county players in general but adding games to their plate while the mess that is the start of the calender year hasn't been sorted is a slap in the face of the idea that any of the suits (or managers, at that) give two fecks about player safety.

Cavan isn't a big a big County or Longford yet they played without u21 players. If you want to think ahead for the future or a quick fix of promotion and possibly relegation I know what I would prefer.
Every County would have enough decent footballers over the age of 21 to cope , Ros were missing the Brigids players for a big spell of the League and they were obviously a huge loss.

[Syferus]

The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.

2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.

Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships

With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?

Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.

U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.

I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s

Many counties don't have an option, particularly ones involved in the Hastings Cup - counties that aren't large but take their football very seriously.

We had a situation where even with U21 players this (partly thanks to Brigids' AI run and partly injuries) we were naming teams in the league that would seem experimental in the FBD, nevermind compeditive games.

We're asking too much of U21s and county players in general but adding games to their plate while the mess that is the start of the calender year hasn't been sorted is a slap in the face of the idea that any of the suits (or managers, at that) give two fecks about player safety.

Cavan isn't a big a big County or Longford yet they played without u21 players. If you want to think ahead for the future or a quick fix of promotion and possibly relegation I know what I would prefer.
Every County would have enough decent footballers over the age of 21 to cope , Ros were missing the Brigids players for a big spell of the League and they were obviously a huge loss.

Longford didn't get a single point in this year's league and Cavan weren't even at the races come the last day in D3.

Using or not using U21s in the league is an ad hoc solution for something the GAA suits should have sorted out many years ago and even then it creates a chicken-and-egg situation - good U21 teams ending up playing senior D3 provides a poor platform for further development.

[rodney trotter]

The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.

2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.

Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships

With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?

Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.

U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.

I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s

Many counties don't have an option, particularly ones involved in the Hastings Cup - counties that aren't large but take their football very seriously.

We had a situation where even with U21 players this (partly thanks to Brigids' AI run and partly injuries) we were naming teams in the league that would seem experimental in the FBD, nevermind compeditive games.

We're asking too much of U21s and county players in general but adding games to their plate while the mess that is the start of the calender year hasn't been sorted is a slap in the face of the idea that any of the suits (or managers, at that) give two fecks about player safety.

Cavan isn't a big a big County or Longford yet they played without u21 players. If you want to think ahead for the future or a quick fix of promotion and possibly relegation I know what I would prefer.
Every County would have enough decent footballers over the age of 21 to cope , Ros were missing the Brigids players for a big spell of the League and they were obviously a huge loss.

Longford didn't get a single point in this year's league and Cavan weren't even at the races come the last day in D3.

Using or not using U21s in the league is an ad hoc solution for something the GAA suits should have sorted out many years ago

Longford were competitive in probably every game of the National League this year,  and were without Brian Kavanagh, Paul Barden and a few others plus u21's for spells
Losing 7 games didn't tell the tale

Cavan were still in with promotion going  into the last day but fielded an understrength team as they would have needed to win by a huge margain against Roscommon which wasn't going to happen. Other results didn't go their way either that day.

Cavan beat both promoted teams along the way Meath and Monaghan, We weren't that far off.

[Syferus]

The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.

2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.

Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships

With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?

Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.

U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.

I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s

Many counties don't have an option, particularly ones involved in the Hastings Cup - counties that aren't large but take their football very seriously.

We had a situation where even with U21 players this (partly thanks to Brigids' AI run and partly injuries) we were naming teams in the league that would seem experimental in the FBD, nevermind compeditive games.

We're asking too much of U21s and county players in general but adding games to their plate while the mess that is the start of the calender year hasn't been sorted is a slap in the face of the idea that any of the suits (or managers, at that) give two fecks about player safety.

Cavan isn't a big a big County or Longford yet they played without u21 players. If you want to think ahead for the future or a quick fix of promotion and possibly relegation I know what I would prefer.
Every County would have enough decent footballers over the age of 21 to cope , Ros were missing the Brigids players for a big spell of the League and they were obviously a huge loss.

Longford didn't get a single point in this year's league and Cavan weren't even at the races come the last day in D3.

Using or not using U21s in the league is an ad hoc solution for something the GAA suits should have sorted out many years ago

Longford were competitive in probably every game of the National League this year,  and were without Brian Kavanagh, Paul Barden and a few others plus u21's for spells
Losing 7 games didn't tell the tale

Cavan were still in with promotion going  into the last day but fielded an understrength team as they would have needed to win by a huge margain against Roscommon which wasn't going to happen. Other results didn't go their way either that day.

Cavan beat both promoted teams along the way Meath and Monaghan, We weren't that far off.

Neither were we. It didn't matter one iota, we'll still all be plying our trade in Division 3 next spring.

I think both Cavan and Roscommon desperately need to reach D2 if their talented young players are going to have any chance of carrying over their underage consistency and winning mentality to senior. If that means playing U21s mid-championship, that's a cost that is worth paying.

[rodney trotter]

The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.

2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.

Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships

With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?

Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.

U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.

I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s

Many counties don't have an option, particularly ones involved in the Hastings Cup - counties that aren't large but take their football very seriously.

We had a situation where even with U21 players this (partly thanks to Brigids' AI run and partly injuries) we were naming teams in the league that would seem experimental in the FBD, nevermind compeditive games.

We're asking too much of U21s and county players in general but adding games to their plate while the mess that is the start of the calender year hasn't been sorted is a slap in the face of the idea that any of the suits (or managers, at that) give two fecks about player safety.

Cavan isn't a big a big County or Longford yet they played without u21 players. If you want to think ahead for the future or a quick fix of promotion and possibly relegation I know what I would prefer.
Every County would have enough decent footballers over the age of 21 to cope , Ros were missing the Brigids players for a big spell of the League and they were obviously a huge loss.

Longford didn't get a single point in this year's league and Cavan weren't even at the races come the last day in D3.

Using or not using U21s in the league is an ad hoc solution for something the GAA suits should have sorted out many years ago

Longford were competitive in probably every game of the National League this year,  and were without Brian Kavanagh, Paul Barden and a few others plus u21's for spells
Losing 7 games didn't tell the tale

Cavan were still in with promotion going  into the last day but fielded an understrength team as they would have needed to win by a huge margain against Roscommon which wasn't going to happen. Other results didn't go their way either that day.

Cavan beat both promoted teams along the way Meath and Monaghan, We weren't that far off.

Neither were we. It didn't matter one iota, we'll still all be plying our trade in Division 3 next spring.

I think both Cavan and Roscommon desperately need to reach D2 if their talented young players are going to have any chance of carrying over their underage consistency and winning mentality to senior. If that means playing U21s mid-championship, that's a cost that is worth paying.

Of course playing at a higher standard brings the best out of players and hopefully that can be done next year. Monaghan won Ulster this year and Meath ran Dublin close this year in Leinster Final. It was a good standard in Division3 this year.

A few key u21's from this years Cavan side will be over age next year which will boost the panel, if necessary they will use the u21's next year I would imagine if the chance is there. But it will still be a dog fight in Division 3.

[mylestheslasher]

Cavan made a call to sacrifice their senior teams prospects in the league in the past few years in order to focus on their U21 and to a lesser extent minor teams. This is a long term approach and absolutely the right approach. We have another decent u21 team this year, our fifth in a row. As the approach evolves we will have more and more of these proven young players over the u21 age limit and as that happens the negative effects of having dedicated U21 players will decrease. Taking a short cut to div2 by putting a massive effort in to the detriment of the U21s would just result in see saw promotions and relegations.  Cavans biggest problem this year is that we over achieved quite significantly at senior level last year which may bring some unreasonable expectations. We should hold firm to our approach this year at least and see can we win an incredible 4 Ulsters in a row which will inspire more young lads to dedicate to the cause and continue to create a winning mentality at senior level.

As for the hastings cup, it is a great tournament and does tend to be a barometer of the form teams in south ulster and Connacht. The more teams the better I reckon. Cavan do like to try their whole panel in the their games and i'm sure every other county is the same and no one wants to show their whole hand in a pre season tournament.

[Farrandeelin]

Here Cavanmen and Rossies, for what it's worth, I think the both of you will be in Div 2 in 2015. Happy now?

[Gold]

Cavan made a call to sacrifice their senior teams prospects in the league in the past few years in order to focus on their U21 and to a lesser extent minor teams. This is a long term approach and absolutely the right approach. We have another decent u21 team this year, our fifth in a row. As the approach evolves we will have more and more of these proven young players over the u21 age limit and as that happens the negative effects of having dedicated U21 players will decrease. Taking a short cut to div2 by putting a massive effort in to the detriment of the U21s would just result in see saw promotions and relegations.  Cavans biggest problem this year is that we over achieved quite significantly at senior level last year which may bring some unreasonable expectations. We should hold firm to our approach this year at least and see can we win an incredible 4 Ulsters in a row which will inspire more young lads to dedicate to the cause and continue to create a winning mentality at senior level.

As for the hastings cup, it is a great tournament and does tend to be a barometer of the form teams in south ulster and Connacht. The more teams the better I reckon. Cavan do like to try their whole panel in the their games and i'm sure every other county is the same and no one wants to show their whole hand in a pre season tournament.

Cavans biggest problem this yr was a standard defeat by the Saffrons.

This was a great comp. antrim used to be in it. Some great wins in the likes of Navan and Newtownmountkennedy.

This comp was better than the ulster champ. Great playing outside the province!

[ross4life]

Here Cavanmen and Rossies, for what it's worth, I think the both of you will be in Div 2 in 2015. Happy now?

I'll be happy enough if you are right Far but very little between all the sides in div 3.

[larryin89]

U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.

What the friggin hell does that word mean or do you mean , truncated ?