The big two again, or any other contenders?
Quote from: Dire Ear on July 31, 2022, 12:39:27 PM
The big two again, or any other contenders?
Maybe tottenham, maybe. Or else they'll just replace Chelsea in 3rd.
Wouldn't count out Chelsea. Tuchel is good, and very impressed that he got rid of Lukaku despite the gigantic fee and big loss. He knew he'd be better with the big lump out of the club.
Chelsea, Spurs,
Arsenal and Man United will be stronger.
Who ever gets out in front between the top two after Christmas will win the League.
Quote from: Dire Ear on July 31, 2022, 12:39:27 PM
The big two again, or any other contenders?
Liverpool's title to lose with Manchester City waiting and hoping for another slip up.
Tottenham,Chelsea should battle it out for 3rd spot. Arsenal and Manchester United fighting over a 5th place finish.
Relegation battle between the three that got promoted Brentford, Leeds and perhaps Everton again?
Liverpool will win it.
Not convinced Citeh have replaced Sterling, Fernandinho and Jesus adequately. That plus Guardiola focusing relentlessly on the elusive European title means Liverpool to win in the home stretch by 5points.
Liverpool should be better going forward and City are better defensively. I thought City were significantly better in the run-in last year and not sure that will change.
Liverpool were well the better team yesterday, and better prepared, but Liverpool still gave up plenty of chances. The defending for the goal was poor, not helped by Adrian in goal, but Trent's 'defending' for it was nothing short of comical. But as a Liverpool fan, we just have to live with that given the uber exciting attacking strategy employed and I wouldn't swap Trent for anyone.
A lot will depend on, in particular, how good Haaland is, and also how good Philips is.
But overall the bookies have City strong favourites (Boyles have City 4/7 with 5/2 for Liverpool) and there's good reasons for those odds
Quote from: Hound on July 31, 2022, 05:51:04 PM
Liverpool should be better going forward and City are better defensively. I thought City were significantly better in the run-in last year and not sure that will change.
Liverpool might be better going forward but all depends on Nunez. We have lost Mane and that's massive.
City haven't added anyone defensively so not sure how they are better unless you throw Phillips in alongside Rodri but then that has a detrimental affect in them offensively.
The one blessing we have with Nunez over Haaland is we don't need to start him. We have Bobby and Jota who already play there. Also does Haaland pick up a few injuries?
Think it's between Chelsea and Spurs for 3rd mostly down to the managers they have. G. Jesus has started on fire so would think Arsenal are favs for 5th. Utd haven't added much, maybe they will before the end of the window but that is never ideal. Who starts out of Varane, Maguire and the new fella? Ten Hag better be able to get some note out of them because at the min they are still starting with McFred and that just ain't good enough.
Well that's sorted that.. good price too
Yep PP all paid out an all. Have to say Liverpool looked very sharp. Long road ahead and citeh's squad remains stacked. We'll see.
No idea how the relegation battle will work out. Forest seem to have bought a sh*t load of players. Of course Fulham did the same and went straight back down a few years ago. Villa did it and scraped survival.
Liverpool lacking in midfield depth.
Fully fit first 11's they beat City, but only just.
It's when the odd injury comes along as inevitably they do that City are better placed to cope.
Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs a bit behind that but a bit ahead of West ham and Man U.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 10:58:13 AM
Liverpool lacking in midfield depth.
Fully fit first 11's they beat City, but only just.
It's when the odd injury comes along as inevitably they do that City are better placed to cope.
Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs a bit behind that but a bit ahead of West ham and Man U.
I actually think City could have left themselves a bit short with the summer transfer business. Halaand, Alverez and Philips in, but they are loosing Sterling,Jesus, fernadinho and Zinchenko who played alot of minutes between them over the past few seasons.
Fernandinho will be hard to replace. Will be interesting to see how they go with a traditional no 9. A big change for a Pep team.
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Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 10:58:13 AM
Liverpool lacking in midfield depth.
Fully fit first 11's they beat City, but only just.
It's when the odd injury comes along as inevitably they do that City are better placed to cope.
Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs a bit behind that but a bit ahead of West ham and Man U.
I actually think City could have left themselves a bit short with the summer transfer business. Halaand, Alverez and Philips in, but they are loosing Sterling,Jesus, fernadinho and Zinchenko who played alot of minutes between them over the past few seasons.
I think if Liverpool keep their major players fit they're the better team, but City have the depth and with the new substitute rules will achieve 90 points as a given, then it depends how many after that. It's a big challenge for Liverpool to consistently match that, especially as it'll probably take 92 or 93 points to win it.
In saying that Haaland's signing is for the Champions League, and it's what the owners will want, especially in the season of a Qatar World Cup, so if the two or three Liverpool players they require stay fit they might be able to chase City down.
United will improve and finish third, with Southamton, Bournemouth and Leeds to go down in my opinion.
1. City bought Haaland just so no one else can have him
2. £100m man Grealish not getting a look in, he's top class but Pep can't make it work, shambles
3. Pep doesn't like big personalities, Haaland will be his new Zlatan
4. Boring as fvck cheating ba$tards
Quote from: tiempo on August 01, 2022, 12:49:51 PM
1. City bought Haaland just so no one else can have him
2. £100m man Grealish not getting a look in, he's top class but Pep can't make it work, shambles
3. Pep doesn't like big personalities, Haaland will be his new Zlatan
4. Boring as fvck cheating ba$tards
Yeah I think being exciting and not winning the league is far better
World Cup will have a massive say in who wins the league this year. 5 weeks away from their clubs for players. Playing in 40C heat is bound to have its toll. It will obviously depend on what countries get to what stage of the WC and what players that involves. Will be interesting the fixtures around Christmas and who has the squad depth to be able to give certain players a rest.
I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 01, 2022, 01:11:22 PM
World Cup will have a massive say in who wins the league this year. 5 weeks away from their clubs for players. Playing in 40C heat is bound to have its toll. It will obviously depend on what countries get to what stage of the WC and what players that involves. Will be interesting the fixtures around Christmas and who has the squad depth to be able to give certain players a rest.
Big help to Liverpool Salah not going.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 01, 2022, 01:19:49 PM
I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 12:54:20 PM
Quote from: tiempo on August 01, 2022, 12:49:51 PM
1. City bought Haaland just so no one else can have him
2. £100m man Grealish not getting a look in, he's top class but Pep can't make it work, shambles
3. Pep doesn't like big personalities, Haaland will be his new Zlatan
4. Boring as fvck cheating ba$tards
Yeah I think being exciting and not winning the league is far better
19 teams won't win the league, a bit of sporting integrity wouldn't go amiss
Pep's dilemma was Haaland playing for Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea, other was going to make their challenge for the CL more difficult, so he bought the brute to save himself the hassle
I'd rather be a Liverpool supporter and come second than be a Man City fan and win the lot, the league itself is compromised due to financial doping as you know
Quote from: tiempo on August 01, 2022, 01:53:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 12:54:20 PM
Quote from: tiempo on August 01, 2022, 12:49:51 PM
1. City bought Haaland just so no one else can have him
2. £100m man Grealish not getting a look in, he's top class but Pep can't make it work, shambles
3. Pep doesn't like big personalities, Haaland will be his new Zlatan
4. Boring as fvck cheating ba$tards
Yeah I think being exciting and not winning the league is far better
19 teams won't win the league, a bit of sporting integrity wouldn't go amiss
Pep's dilemma was Haaland playing for Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea, other was going to make their challenge for the CL more difficult, so he bought the brute to save himself the hassle
I'd rather be a Liverpool supporter and come second than be a Man City fan and win the lot, the league itself is compromised due to financial doping as you know
I'd rather be a Man City supporter and come second than be a Liverpool fan and win the lot, the league itself is compromised due to Liverpool players all having asthma as you know
Quote from: laoislad on August 01, 2022, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 01, 2022, 01:19:49 PM
I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2022, 01:52:00 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 01, 2022, 01:11:22 PM
World Cup will have a massive say in who wins the league this year. 5 weeks away from their clubs for players. Playing in 40C heat is bound to have its toll. It will obviously depend on what countries get to what stage of the WC and what players that involves. Will be interesting the fixtures around Christmas and who has the squad depth to be able to give certain players a rest.
Big help to Liverpool Salah not going.
The world cup could be a big factor alright, from a Liverpool point of view the worrying thing is pretty much all of thier midfeild - Fabinho, henderson, Thiago, Kieta - will be going to the world cup and are all either over 30 or injury prone ( or both)
The form of Jones/ Carvalho/Elliot when needed could be really important.
Kasper Schmeichel on his way to Nice!
Hard to believe he is nearly 36!
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11712/12664044/kasper-schmeichel-leicester-goalkeeper-set-for-nice-medical-after-agreement-reached (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11712/12664044/kasper-schmeichel-leicester-goalkeeper-set-for-nice-medical-after-agreement-reached)
Quote from: laoislad on August 01, 2022, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 01, 2022, 01:11:22 PM
World Cup will have a massive say in who wins the league this year. 5 weeks away from their clubs for players. Playing in 40C heat is bound to have its toll. It will obviously depend on what countries get to what stage of the WC and what players that involves. Will be interesting the fixtures around Christmas and who has the squad depth to be able to give certain players a rest.
Won't be near 40c more like 29-30c that time of year plus all the stadiums have air conditioning systems put in to cool the entire stadium.
Not ideal having it when it is in the middle of a season but I don't think heat will be as big a factor as some think.
The December World Cup will arse up the Premiership season rather than the GAA season
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Quote from: laoislad on August 01, 2022, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 01, 2022, 01:11:22 PM
World Cup will have a massive say in who wins the league this year. 5 weeks away from their clubs for players. Playing in 40C heat is bound to have its toll. It will obviously depend on what countries get to what stage of the WC and what players that involves. Will be interesting the fixtures around Christmas and who has the squad depth to be able to give certain players a rest.
Won't be near 40c more like 29-30c that time of year plus all the stadiums have air conditioning systems put in to cool the entire stadium.
Not ideal having it when it is in the middle of a season but I don't think heat will be as big a factor as some think.
The December World Cup will arse up the Premiership season rather than the GAA season
Those Ballyhale hoors love a good soccer match and if they're preparing for a Leinster title challenge or AI series game they'll be wanting the game moved.
Who doesn't love watching Norway vrs Cameroon?
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 02:51:22 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 01, 2022, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 01, 2022, 01:19:49 PM
I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
DCL out with a knee injury, 3 months allegedly..
Here comes Rondon, Everton are fucked...
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857)
Quote from: gawa316 on August 04, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857)
I'll have some of what Rob Green is smoking if he thinks Utd can finish 2nd..
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Quote from: laoislad on August 01, 2022, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 01, 2022, 01:19:49 PM
I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
DCL out with a knee injury, 3 months allegedly..
Here comes Rondon, Everton are fucked...
Bookies seem to disagree
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation
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Quote from: gawa316 on August 04, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857)
I'll have some of what Rob Green is smoking if he thinks Utd can finish 2nd..
Interesting. I wonder what his thinking is.
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Quote from: gawa316 on August 04, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62354857)
I'll have some of what Rob Green is smoking if he thinks Utd can finish 2nd..
Interesting. I wonder what his thinking is.
35 point swing needed
My only hope for this season is that somewhere along the line City become a normal good team instead of a relentless machine, and that 85 points might be enough for the title. Could be an interesting season if that happens. But if they continue to push for mid 90s and above, frankly it's all a waste of time.
I think it'll be Liverpool as champions then City, Chelsea & Spurs the rest of the top 4 and the three promoted teams relegated.
After a long hiatus both Leeds and Forest are back in the shining light but they have no money compared to the incumbents.
Brian Clough didn't need £1bn to win the European Cup. Man City still haven't won it.
Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2022, 11:43:44 AM
After a long hiatus both Leeds and Forest are back in the shining light but they have no money compared to the incumbents.
Brian Clough didn't need £1bn to win the European Cup. Man City still haven't won it.
Brian Clough had big spending power of that time. Bought an expensive player and first million pound player. Good recruitment part of his success.
When the Premier League started, Man Utd had 7 titles.
Liverpool had 18
Chelsea had 1.
Man City had 2
The Premier League is a money racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_First_Division#
Klopp out
Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2022, 12:53:10 PM
When the Premier League started, Man Utd had 7 titles.
Liverpool had 18
Chelsea had 1.
Man City had 2
The Premier League is a money racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_First_Division#
When the Premier League started, Man Utd had 1 European Cup/Champions League.
Liverpool had 4
Forest had 2
Chelsea had 0
Man City had 0
Spurs had 0
Arsenal 0
Arsenal had 0
Jees Bunker you really dont like Arsenal
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Jees Bunker you really dont like Arsenal
Sorry unaware duplication! Used to have a soft spot for Arsenal in the late 70's early 80's when they had a Plethora of Irish (incl Northen Irish) lads1
Strange seeing no sponsorship logos on the Nottingham Forrest teams tops
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 06, 2022, 01:30:03 PM
Jees Bunker you really dont like Arsenal
Sorry unaware duplication! Used to have a soft spot for Arsenal in the late 70's early 80's when they had a Plethora of Irish (incl Northen Irish) lads1
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Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2022, 12:53:10 PM
When the Premier League started, Man Utd had 7 titles.
Liverpool had 18
Chelsea had 1.
Man City had 2
The Premier League is a money racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_First_Division#
Poor Oldham Athletic are in the Conference now. Or whatever it's called.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 06, 2022, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2022, 12:53:10 PM
When the Premier League started, Man Utd had 7 titles.
Liverpool had 18
Chelsea had 1.
Man City had 2
The Premier League is a money racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_First_Division#
Poor Oldham Athletic are in the Conference now. Or whatever it's called.
Called the National League anymore. Notts County are there also!
After 28 games, Steven Gerrard's win % record at Aston Villa is the same as Gary Neville's at Valencia.
Won - 10
Drawn - 5
Lost - 13
Win % - 35%
Is that poor or ok for new managers... oh wait
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2022, 11:48:48 PM
After 28 games, Steven Gerrard's win % record at Aston Villa is the same as Gary Neville's at Valencia.
Won - 10
Drawn - 5
Lost - 13
Win % - 35%
Is that poor or ok for new managers... oh wait
Crazy post
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 06, 2022, 11:51:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2022, 11:48:48 PM
After 28 games, Steven Gerrard's win % record at Aston Villa is the same as Gary Neville's at Valencia.
Won - 10
Drawn - 5
Lost - 13
Win % - 35%
Is that poor or ok for new managers... oh wait
Crazy post
Came up on social media...probably not even true
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2022, 12:10:25 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 06, 2022, 11:51:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2022, 11:48:48 PM
After 28 games, Steven Gerrard's win % record at Aston Villa is the same as Gary Neville's at Valencia.
Won - 10
Drawn - 5
Lost - 13
Win % - 35%
Is that poor or ok for new managers... oh wait
Crazy post
Came up on social media...probably not even true
Claudio Raneiri and Ronald Koeman did not last long at Valencia either, so I'd would not be to harsh on Gary.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 06, 2022, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2022, 12:53:10 PM
When the Premier League started, Man Utd had 7 titles.
Liverpool had 18
Chelsea had 1.
Man City had 2
The Premier League is a money racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_First_Division#
Poor Oldham Athletic are in the Conference now. Or whatever it's called.
Oldham! That's who it was....
Saw a question yesterday. "Which of the inaugural Premier League teams are now non-league"
I know Luis Diaz was there 1st choice and he's been brilliant for Liverpool so far but your man Kulusevski has been some signing for spurs. Not a bad second choice.
Utd dreadful... new manager required
Nine Hag out
A nice welcome to the Premier League for Ten Hag. He's not in the Farmers Dutch league anymore.
Quote from: Turf on August 07, 2022, 02:52:23 PM
A nice welcome to the Premier League for Ten Hag. He's not in the Farmers Dutch league anymore.
He didn't have a midfield pairing of Fred, Mctominay and captain fantastic in Harry Maguire at Ajax.
I personally thought the pitches looked a bit dry
No penalty? What ??
Stonewall penalty not given to Brighton. VAR?
New season VAR still messing up decisions.
Never saw Danny Wellbeck play that well before.
Haaland is a bit useful, to puty it mildly
Quote from: keep her low this half on August 07, 2022, 06:01:37 PM
Haaland is a bit useful, to puty it mildly
Hasn't taken him long to settle and to the surprise of nobody.
Quote from: keep her low this half on August 07, 2022, 06:01:37 PM
Haaland is a bit useful, to puty it mildly
Indeed and Kalvin Phillips off the bench after 88 minutes. It's been a super human effort by Klopp and Liverpool to keep the title race somewhat interesting, but difficult to see them being able to sustain it this season against the current City squad.
I retain hope that losing Fernandinho Sterling Jesus and Zinchenko has left the squad a bit thin......clutching at straws i admit..
Spurs will push them this year
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2022, 08:59:35 PM
Spurs will push them this year
No they won't. Spursy plus World Cup going to be tough on their players.
Spurs do look a tight outfit this year. Could put up big scores.
Keane and Neville looked bored of talking about Utd. Keane just looks bored of the whole pundit thing. Good easy money but wouldn't be surprised if he heads back into management.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2022, 08:59:35 PM
Spurs will push them this year
Only it City drop by 10-15%, and the middle rung of sides rein in their beaten-before-they-go-out mentality when playing City. Spurs don't have a 90+ point season in them.
Spurs could be like West Ham the season Frank McAcennie and Tony Cottee ran riot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdoHPJdsKdE
No more classified football results
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-62397375
A sporting tradition going back decades is no more - BBC Radio 5 Live will stop broadcasting the classified football results at 5pm on Saturdays.
"With the addition of the 5.30pm live Premier League match to our coverage, Sports Report has been condensed into a shorter programme," the BBC said.
The BBC said it would still offer goal updates throughout the day on air.
James Alexander Gordon read the results for more than 40 years before Charlotte Green took over the reins in 2013.
"We would like to thank everyone who has read the classified football results on 5 Live over the years," the BBC's statement continued.
The corporation added that fans could also keep across the results on the BBC Sport website and Final Score on BBC One. ...
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I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
DCL out with a knee injury, 3 months allegedly..
Here comes Rondon, Everton are fucked...
Coady in on loan, good move IMO, Onana also signs on, I know nothing about the lad, so not going to say he's the greatest thing since sliced bread as Everton fans have had loads of false dawns on that side of things. He's 6'4" so hopefully can head a ball at corners both ends of the field, Everton were inept at both last year.
Gueye would also be a good signing and that seems to be it, sorely missing a striker though.....
Geuye
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Quote from: laoislad on August 01, 2022, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 01, 2022, 01:19:49 PM
I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
DCL out with a knee injury, 3 months allegedly..
Here comes Rondon, Everton are fucked...
Coady in on loan, good move IMO, Onana also signs on, I know nothing about the lad, so not going to say he's the greatest thing since sliced bread as Everton fans have had loads of false dawns on that side of things. He's 6'4" so hopefully can head a ball at corners both ends of the field, Everton were inept at both last year.
Gueye would also be a good signing and that seems to be it, sorely missing a striker though.....
Geuye
I thought Coady was a big Liverpool fan.
Decent player, strange he went from Captain at Wolves to not being wanted in the space of a few summer weeks.
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I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
DCL out with a knee injury, 3 months allegedly..
Here comes Rondon, Everton are fucked...
Coady in on loan, good move IMO, Onana also signs on, I know nothing about the lad, so not going to say he's the greatest thing since sliced bread as Everton fans have had loads of false dawns on that side of things. He's 6'4" so hopefully can head a ball at corners both ends of the field, Everton were inept at both last year.
Gueye would also be a good signing and that seems to be it, sorely missing a striker though.....
Geuye
I thought Coady was a big Liverpool fan.
Decent player, strange he went from Captain at Wolves to not being wanted in the space of a few summer weeks.
And?
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article21244193.ece/ALTERNATES/n310p/0_Steven-Gerrard-as-a-young-boy-wearing-an-Everton-kit.jpg)
Photoshopped ;D
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I reckon Liverpool will win with City 2nd, Spurs 3rd and Chelsea 4th.
But, I could easily switch Arsenal or United into 4th.
Bournemouth, Fulham to go back down and I've a feeling Everton could be a mess.
I agree with you about Everton, wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go. Frank might be the first manager to get the chop also.
get in Idrissa Gueye he'll make a power of difference to Everton who's midfield has been a big achilles heel.
He was some spud in his day and I know he's early 30's now, but can only be an upgrade on Gomez/Davies/Allan/An other...
Barkley would be a poor signing even on a free but Batshuayi might be worth the punt.
But yes, I can see Everton struggle badly if DCL isn't bagging them in on a regular basis.
DCL out with a knee injury, 3 months allegedly..
Here comes Rondon, Everton are fucked...
Coady in on loan, good move IMO, Onana also signs on, I know nothing about the lad, so not going to say he's the greatest thing since sliced bread as Everton fans have had loads of false dawns on that side of things. He's 6'4" so hopefully can head a ball at corners both ends of the field, Everton were inept at both last year.
Gueye would also be a good signing and that seems to be it, sorely missing a striker though.....
Geuye
I thought Coady was a big Liverpool fan.
Decent player, strange he went from Captain at Wolves to not being wanted in the space of a few summer weeks.
And?
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article21244193.ece/ALTERNATES/n310p/0_Steven-Gerrard-as-a-young-boy-wearing-an-Everton-kit.jpg)
I bet that's not even him, that's an Everton kit from the 80's when he wasn't born.
It's Gerrard. It gets rolled out as a "gotcha" against Liverpool fans but nobody really cares. Carragher was also an Everton fan growing up. Loyalties change.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 10, 2022, 10:14:47 AM
It's Gerrard. It gets rolled out as a "gotcha" against Liverpool fans but nobody really cares. Carragher was also an Everton fan growing up. Loyalties change.
£££££ Exactly £££££
Gerrard won a penalty competition at goodison, winner wore an Everton kit with the trophies. Venue alternated every year between Anfield and goodison. Its a nothing story.
Quote from: markl121 on August 10, 2022, 10:38:35 AM
Gerrard won a penalty competition at goodison, winner wore an Everton kit with the trophies. Venue alternated every year between Anfield and goodison. Its a nothing story.
(http://img.allfootballapp.com/www/M00/1D/09/CgAGVmEThlKALhMiAACaZ8palG0415.jpg)
Jamie C won the same competition evidently..
;D
Carragher was openly an Everton fan. Gerrard wasn't. He also wore a Bryan Robson top as a kid cos he loved him as a player. Go find that photo
Was McManaman a blue as well?
Would guess most Liverpool supporters wouldn't be that bothered.
Mcmanaman and fowler were blues also. Pool fans dont give a shiny shite and the fact that some Blues care about Coady says plenty. The Benitez saga too. We not in the playground now lads
Quote from: Armamike on August 10, 2022, 11:31:27 AM
Was McManaman a blue as well?
Would guess most Liverpool supporters wouldn't be that bothered.
Nah couldn't care less. They've more than made up for it since then.
was going to say who the second ex Liverpool player was, but its Lonergan isn't it? man has a champions league medal ;D
Quote from: markl121 on August 10, 2022, 11:17:50 AM
Carragher was openly an Everton fan. Gerrard wasn't. He also wore a Bryan Robson top as a kid cos he loved him as a player. Go find that photo
Carra has often mentioned being at a Liverpool - Everton FA Cup final while supporting Everton. But he's turned completely now. Gary Neville doesn't hide that he prefers City winning the league to Liverpool, but I get the feeling from Carra that if United and Everton were in the title race, he'd prefer Everton not to win it.
Stevie G's dad used to bring him to Liverpool matches and his uncle brought him to Everton matches, but the latter happened far more often than the former as his dad hadn't the cash.
Liverpool fans wouldn't view him any differently no matter who he supported, but this is what he says:
'Up until the age of eight I could have supported anyone. When I was younger I had all kinds of different kits: Tottenham, Norwich, Real Madrid, Barcelona... I even had a United kit! We had a few Everton fans in the family who were trying to get me down the Blue road, but once I started understanding the game and listening to my dad and brother talk about Liverpool's great history, that was it."
On Coady, I think it's very good news for Everton
Does not matter a jot who they supported when they were kids, they have been part of the fabric of that club from the day they signed.
Coady was a season ticket holder in Anfield growing and was seen as Carras heir apparent in being a home grown, slow as f**k, defender. He was too slow as f**k though. One of the the reasons he had been doing well in Wolves was Nuno's ultra conservative 3 at the back tactic. He generally played the centre of the 3 and is a decent player and a good organiser. That's why Southgate likes him in the England squad. Once Wolves went to a back 4 his pace started to get exposed hence why he dropped down the pegging order.
This move is purely to get game time so that he can get into the England WC squad. He will be guaranteed a start for Everton but couldnt guarantee that at West Ham who also were looking at him on a permanent basis. He is a solid CB who will compliment Tarkowski. With the other likely signings of Onana and Gueye Lampard is creating Joe Royles Dogs of War mark 2.
Coady was a DM when on Liverpool books
As poor a set of forward options as has been seen in recent times. Pure madness if the window close with no additions.
Jees dele alli is finished. Just comes on tries to start rows..
City getting it tough! Haaland hasn't scored yet!! Pep out
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Are Everton in bother already? They were very poor today, didn't look like scoring at all until they got lucky with the own goal, they came to life a bit then and could have scraped a draw.
Good win for Villa and for Gerrard over Lampard.
Big Frank is overrated. Everton have structural problems on top.
De gea out!!
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De gea out!!
Errors becoming very frequent for him nowadays.
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De gea out!!
Errors becoming very frequent for him nowadays.
I'm watching the Dublin hurling championship, far better fare
The Ten Hag revolution.
This is brilliant ;D
Maybe they should change their jerseys at half time, they might not be able see each other 😜
We want 5 We want 5
This is truly stunning.
That fourth goal was absolute perfection.
Nine (nil) Hag out
Flicked it round to our ladies final and missed the other goals...
They are relegation contenders
4 minutes of injury time.. 1 for each goal ;D
Bet Eriksen wishes he stayed at Brentford?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 13, 2022, 06:51:01 PM
Bet Eriksen wishes he stayed at Brentford?
I'm sure his bank manager feels different but on football level possibly
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This is truly stunning.
That was glorious.
You keep thinking surely sooner or later they will get their act in order and they can't go any lower, then they go and prove you wrong ;D
6 years after winning the European Cup, Man Utd were relegated. The Glazers might pull off a repeat.
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6 years after winning the European Cup, Man Utd were relegated. The Glazers might pull off a repeat.
They're 9 years behind schedule. They can't even get that right ;D
Mourinhio said that his greatest achievement was guiding Man. U to 2nd place in the league.
It prob was was when you think of it
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Bet Eriksen wishes he stayed at Brentford?
I'm sure his bank manager feels different but on football level possibly
To be fair he looked quiet content coming off.
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Bet Eriksen wishes he stayed at Brentford?
I'm sure his bank manager feels different but on football level possibly
To be fair he looked quiet content coming off.
His bank manager or Eriksen?
So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
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So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
Can't stop a club signing a player unfortunately. It's not like they used extortionate wealth to buy him either. City bought him for £4m more than what United paid for Martinez.
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So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
Can't stop a club signing a player unfortunately. It's not like they used extortionate wealth to buy him either. City bought him for £4m more than what United paid for Martinez.
Because of a release clause ? It's what they are able to pay him in wages
Dean Henderson having a stormer for Forest today.
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So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
Can't stop a club signing a player unfortunately. It's not like they used extortionate wealth to buy him either. City bought him for £4m more than what United paid for Martinez.
Because of a release clause ? It's what they are able to pay him in wages
Yep.
He's second only to Ronaldo in the PL.
It was basically City, United, Real Madrid or PSG.
30 mill plus to father/agent cant be arsed checking. So the 50 odd mill "fee" only part of it
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So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
Being allowed to lol
How were they going to stop the most successful team of the last decade in the most lucrative league in the world signing a player for 51m, a relative bargain on all fronts given what some other players have gone for.
Also, they've played two games
Left it late however a good result for Tottenham as they look to finish the season in 3rd ahead of Chelsea.
Handbags at the end. Sky Sports trying to make a big deal out of it.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 14, 2022, 02:10:22 PM
So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
I'm sure the reasons are genuine but Bournemouth made a number of changes yesterday which might give a clue into how other managers are now thinking. A game against City is becoming one or two to get out of the road, with more important games around the City fixtures.
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Handbags at the end. Sky Sports trying to make a big deal out of it.
Handbags after spurs 1st equalizer too. Contes gona be anything but boring tbh
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Quote from: thewobbler on August 14, 2022, 02:10:22 PM
So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
Being allowed to lol
How were they going to stop the most successful team of the last decade in the most lucrative league in the world signing a player for 51m, a relative bargain on all fronts given what some other players have gone for.
Also, they've played two games
That's really my point. Football could only be a better spectacle if the authorities stepped in and prevented cartels. People laugh at the French league. That's what City are going to the PL.
Points need deducted from both clubs.
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So after 5 or so years of seeing off everyone outside the top 4 with no more difficulty than a child learning to suck on a dummy, football's extraordinary disinterest in a level playing field has seen City being allowed to buy Haaland, and ensure that their almost every game is a procession.
It's 2 weeks in and I hate football on so many levels.
Being allowed to lol
How were they going to stop the most successful team of the last decade in the most lucrative league in the world signing a player for 51m, a relative bargain on all fronts given what some other players have gone for.
Also, they've played two games
That's really my point. Football could only be a better spectacle if the authorities stepped in and prevented cartels. People laugh at the French league. That's what City are going to the PL.
Difference is the French league doesn't have other clubs who spend similar amounts to PSG
United have spent similar to City in the last decade
Chelsea wouldn't be far off it either and have a massive squad
City shouldn't be punished for being well coached and doing good transfer business while United have McTominay and Dalot still running about after spending £1bn
Liverpool should win this 3/4-1 now
Relegation 6-pointer.
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Relegation 6-pointer.
Liverpool should score 6 against Utd, 3 on the bounce for utd
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Relegation 6-pointer.
Liverpool should score 6 against Utd, 3 on the bounce for utd
3-0 defeat would be good result for Man Utd next week.
Pool utd and everton to go down. Save this tweet
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Relegation 6-pointer.
Liverpool should score 6 against Utd, 3 on the bounce for utd
3-0 defeat would be good result for Man Utd next week.
I dunno, Liverpool were very ordinary last night and in the bits I saw vs Fulham. They have a good few injuries and now Darwin will be missing also so are short on options up front with Jota still out.
Man United need a reaction after Brentford so what better game than Liverpool at home?
Liverpool look fragile at the back. Don't think it's going to be a 0-5 game like last season.
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At least Liverpool will still have their two biggest Derby games of the season.
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At least Liverpool will still have their two biggest Derby games of the season.
Manchester United aren't based in Liverpool.
Liverpool will still hammer Utd next Monday I'm afraid.
I say the league nearly gone already, and we only started. TV keep pushing the agenda of close contests ahead but I say City win it pulling up. Only interesting to see, is how far down the table Man Utd end up.
See Anderson is getting some abuse online for taking a head-butt to the nose! Wow
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See Anderson is getting some abuse online for taking a head-butt to the nose! Wow
I think the abuse is more likely due to the fact that he admitted to winding up Nunez.
Doesn't excuse the abuse or Nunez's utter stupidity, of course. Nunez will get a ban and should get a serious fine by the club. And the cops should be looking at anyone sending death or other types of threats.
Defender winds up attacker and gets online abuse.... Ok
Should be happening all the time then, as defenders will do that every week
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Defender winds up attacker and gets online abuse.... Ok
Should be happening all the time then, as defenders will do that every week
Well it usually goes unspoken of.
And likely would have again except Nunez behaved like a violent teenager and Andersen was probably a bit too forthcoming when asked for his side of the story.
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Defender winds up attacker and gets online abuse.... Ok
Should be happening all the time then, as defenders will do that every week
Are you shocked by this? This happens every week. Man United fans were racially abusing Rashford last season. Didn't a lot of the black England players get it also after missing the penos at the Euros.
Harry Maguire is constantly getting it from Man United and England fans on Twitter.
Twitter is a cesspit. The only surprise is someone is actually surprised by this.
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At least Liverpool will still have their two biggest Derby games of the season.
United are not a derby game!
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Defender winds up attacker and gets online abuse.... Ok
Should be happening all the time then, as defenders will do that every week
Are you shocked by this? This happens every week. Man United fans were racially abusing Rashford last season. Didn't a lot of the black England players get it also after missing the penos at the Euros.
Harry Maguire is constantly getting it from Man United and England fans on Twitter.
Twitter is a cesspit. The only surprise is someone is actually surprised by this.
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Newcastle leading the Oil rich Derby 3-1 a sign of things to come in the years ahead?
3-3 now Newcastle will need to spend some more cash on defenders.
Newcastle have spent surprisingly little since the Saudi takeover. Definitely not title challengers and unlikely to hold out versus the endless funds of City
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Newcastle have spent surprisingly little since the Saudi takeover. Definitely not title challengers and unlikely to hold out versus the endless funds of City
Newcastle will be looking top six and may very well get it if key players stay fit. Both City and Liverpool have dropped points to teams that have improved in Palace and the likes. Expect that to continue this season.
Arsenal are starting to look stronger, also Spurs but Chelsea seemed to have dropped off a bit, but on their day can get points anywhere.
Everton by the looks of it will do well to avoid relegation again....
Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
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Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
Add Gerrard to that list
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Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
Add Gerrard to that list
English press giving Gerrard an easy ride for what is a terrible record at Villa.
Read somewhere it is similar/worse that Neville's management record which says it all.
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Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
Add Gerrard to that list
English press giving Gerrard an easy ride for what is a terrible record at Villa.
Read somewhere it is similar/worse that Neville's management record which says it all.
What is Villa's expectation? 16th or 15th is realistic. They're playing Tyrone Mings at CH. He's worse than Maguire ffs.
Rodgers possibly gone from Leicester, few rumours goin around last night
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Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
Add Gerrard to that list
English press giving Gerrard an easy ride for what is a terrible record at Villa.
Read somewhere it is similar/worse that Neville's management record which says it all.
What is Villa's expectation? 16th or 15th is realistic. They're playing Tyrone Mings at CH. He's worse than Maguire ffs.
They're not as bad as newcastle but would perceive themselves as a big club.
Yeah forgot about Rodgers too.
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Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
Add Gerrard to that list
English press giving Gerrard an easy ride for what is a terrible record at Villa.
Read somewhere it is similar/worse that Neville's management record which says it all.
What is Villa's expectation? 16th or 15th is realistic. They're playing Tyrone Mings at CH. He's worse than Maguire ffs.
Wage bill is now top 10 in the league. Some reports have it as the 7th largest. Wages are a highly correlated indicator of finishing position. So bottom half is underachieving.
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Everton in bad shape this year JC. I think this could be the year :(
Surprising start for west ham. Moyes had them going well.
This one tonight will be interesting too. Moyes, ten haag and lampard may not see this side of christmas!
Add Gerrard to that list
English press giving Gerrard an easy ride for what is a terrible record at Villa.
Read somewhere it is similar/worse that Neville's management record which says it all.
What is Villa's expectation? 16th or 15th is realistic. They're playing Tyrone Mings at CH. He's worse than Maguire ffs.
Wage bill is now top 10 in the league. Some reports have it as the 7th largest. Wages are a highly correlated indicator of finishing position. So bottom half is underachieving.
I'd consider myself a pretty realistic fan... you have to be really, considering the dross we have had to contend with over the years. I think 9th would be about right with this current squad. The way Gerrard is going, that looks like pie in the sky.
I do think he's in trouble if things dont improve soon. The whole Sarr signing, on and off, makes things look even worse.
Lampard and Gerrard have got themselves managerial jobs on the back of their playing careers but neither strike me as particularly top class managers. Lampard has been very fortunate to get another decent job in the PL after getting sacked by Chelsea. If it wasn't for his connections he would never have got the job. Gerrard did have some success with Rangers but he was lucky that his stint coincided with a Celtic decline after Rodgers left. It wouldn't surprise me if neither see out the season. Talk of Rodgers and Moyes being under pressure is premature, both should have more than enough credit in the bank, their problem has been that their success has heightened expectations.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 22, 2022, 12:06:58 PM
Lampard and Gerrard have got themselves managerial jobs on the back of their playing careers but neither strike me as particularly top class managers. Lampard has been very fortunate to get another decent job in the PL after getting sacked by Chelsea. If it wasn't for his connections he would never have got the job. Gerrard did have some success with Rangers but he was lucky that his stint coincided with a Celtic decline after Rodgers left. It wouldn't surprise me if neither see out the season. Talk of Rodgers and Moyes being under pressure is premature, both should have more than enough credit in the bank, their problem has been that their success has heightened expectations.
Rodgers might jump first.
Leicester seem to be having a fire sale of their best players and nothing coming in to replace them.
Hard for any manager to do their job in those circumstances
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Lampard and Gerrard have got themselves managerial jobs on the back of their playing careers but neither strike me as particularly top class managers. Lampard has been very fortunate to get another decent job in the PL after getting sacked by Chelsea. If it wasn't for his connections he would never have got the job. Gerrard did have some success with Rangers but he was lucky that his stint coincided with a Celtic decline after Rodgers left. It wouldn't surprise me if neither see out the season. Talk of Rodgers and Moyes being under pressure is premature, both should have more than enough credit in the bank, their problem has been that their success has heightened expectations.
Rodgers might jump first.
Leicester seem to be having a fire sale of their best players and nothing coming in to replace them.
Hard for any manager to do their job in those circumstances
Would Everton take him? Seems only fair
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Quote from: yellowcard on August 22, 2022, 12:06:58 PM
Lampard and Gerrard have got themselves managerial jobs on the back of their playing careers but neither strike me as particularly top class managers. Lampard has been very fortunate to get another decent job in the PL after getting sacked by Chelsea. If it wasn't for his connections he would never have got the job. Gerrard did have some success with Rangers but he was lucky that his stint coincided with a Celtic decline after Rodgers left. It wouldn't surprise me if neither see out the season. Talk of Rodgers and Moyes being under pressure is premature, both should have more than enough credit in the bank, their problem has been that their success has heightened expectations.
Rodgers might jump first.
Leicester seem to be having a fire sale of their best players and nothing coming in to replace them.
Hard for any manager to do their job in those circumstances
No Manager resigns now, unless they are going to another job. They all hang on until they are sacked as they're due a pay out.
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Lampard and Gerrard have got themselves managerial jobs on the back of their playing careers but neither strike me as particularly top class managers. Lampard has been very fortunate to get another decent job in the PL after getting sacked by Chelsea. If it wasn't for his connections he would never have got the job. Gerrard did have some success with Rangers but he was lucky that his stint coincided with a Celtic decline after Rodgers left. It wouldn't surprise me if neither see out the season. Talk of Rodgers and Moyes being under pressure is premature, both should have more than enough credit in the bank, their problem has been that their success has heightened expectations.
Rodgers might jump first.
Leicester seem to be having a fire sale of their best players and nothing coming in to replace them.
Hard for any manager to do their job in those circumstances
Would Everton take him? Seems only fair
There is no chance that the Everton fans will accept another former Liverpool manager after the poisonous reign of Benitez. I've no doubt Rodgers would take it though, after all he walked out on Celtic for a better offer when he was only a few games away from winning the League title. Rogers has enough credit in the bank that he will get another PL job if one inevitably crops up should he suffer the sack. It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up at Villa.
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Lampard and Gerrard have got themselves managerial jobs on the back of their playing careers but neither strike me as particularly top class managers. Lampard has been very fortunate to get another decent job in the PL after getting sacked by Chelsea. If it wasn't for his connections he would never have got the job. Gerrard did have some success with Rangers but he was lucky that his stint coincided with a Celtic decline after Rodgers left. It wouldn't surprise me if neither see out the season. Talk of Rodgers and Moyes being under pressure is premature, both should have more than enough credit in the bank, their problem has been that their success has heightened expectations.
Rodgers might jump first.
Leicester seem to be having a fire sale of their best players and nothing coming in to replace them.
Hard for any manager to do their job in those circumstances
Would Everton take him? Seems only fair
Graham Potter is the only man once Frank gets the big toe...
Superb and totally unexpected performance by Man U. Its doing it week in week out. Who would've thought drop maguire and shaw and you have a chance.
Is there a more unlikeable player in the Premier League right now than Bruno Fernandes, his dive last night was embarrassing. His constant play acting and whining is just as embarrassing.
Has the ability to be a fantastic player but he is an awful dose.
Quote from: Turf on August 23, 2022, 11:56:56 AM
Is there a more unlikeable player in the Premier League right now than Bruno Fernandes, his dive last night was embarrassing. His constant play acting and whining is just as embarrassing.
Has the ability to be a fantastic player but he is an awful dose.
The holding the ball for about 30 seconds after Salah scored too. Must have acted the ballix for about 30 seconds and what difference does he really think he is making there. He's a complete tool
Should have been a yellow card for holding the ball
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Is there a more unlikeable player in the Premier League right now than Bruno Fernandes, his dive last night was embarrassing. His constant play acting and whining is just as embarrassing.
Has the ability to be a fantastic player but he is an awful dose.
The holding the ball for about 30 seconds after Salah scored too. Must have acted the ballix for about 30 seconds and what difference does he really think he is making there. He's a complete tool
Probably would have got a yellow were he not already booked.
Bruno was trying to take the ball out to centre circle for the kick off. Salah started to assault him along with Turkey Teeth. Bruno has his faults but he did nothing wrong here. No surprise to hear the whinging from Loserpool. Taking a leaf out their manager's book.
Quote from: trailer on August 23, 2022, 01:02:15 PM
Bruno was trying to take the ball out to centre circle for the kick off. Salah started to assault him along with Turkey Teeth. Bruno has his faults but he did nothing wrong here. No surprise to hear the whinging from Loserpool. Taking a leaf out their manager's book.
Lol no he wasn't.
The only reason Bruno wasn't yellow carded was because he was already on one. He 100% should have been off. Wouldn't have changed much I don't think though.
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Bruno was trying to take the ball out to centre circle for the kick off. Salah started to assault him along with Turkey Teeth. Bruno has his faults but he did nothing wrong here. No surprise to hear the whinging from Loserpool. Taking a leaf out their manager's book.
Lol no he wasn't.
The only reason Bruno wasn't yellow carded was because he was already on one. He 100% should have been off. Wouldn't have changed much I don't think though.
So offside goal, a red card and penalty ... Thats all their luck gone in one game
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Bruno was trying to take the ball out to centre circle for the kick off. Salah started to assault him along with Turkey Teeth. Bruno has his faults but he did nothing wrong here. No surprise to hear the whinging from Loserpool. Taking a leaf out their manager's book.
Lol no he wasn't.
The only reason Bruno wasn't yellow carded was because he was already on one. He 100% should have been off. Wouldn't have changed much I don't think though.
So offside goal, a red card and penalty ... Thats all their luck gone in one game
Never mentioned the offside. It was on because of the new offside interpretation where the benefit is given to the attacker. No complaints here.
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Bruno was trying to take the ball out to centre circle for the kick off. Salah started to assault him along with Turkey Teeth. Bruno has his faults but he did nothing wrong here. No surprise to hear the whinging from Loserpool. Taking a leaf out their manager's book.
Lol no he wasn't.
The only reason Bruno wasn't yellow carded was because he was already on one. He 100% should have been off. Wouldn't have changed much I don't think though.
So offside goal, a red card and penalty ... Thats all their luck gone in one game
Never mentioned the offside. It was on because of the new offside interpretation where the benefit is given to the attacker. No complaints here.
I wasn't that sure when first looked at and haven't seen anything that totally confirms it either.. Ball hit underside of arm at some point though
Bruno definitely should have got a second yellow. Refs have been instructed to cut down on this type of action this season.
Why do lads need THAT ball when they score? There's loads everywhere around the pitch.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 25, 2022, 08:15:39 AM
Why do lads need THAT ball when they score? There's loads everywhere around the pitch.
Always wondered this myself...suppose it's about wanting to keep the momentum after scoring. That said, the hysteria surrounding Fernandes not giving the ball back was laughable, it wasn't Liverpool's ball to take - they scored, Utd then kick off.
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Why do lads need THAT ball when they score? There's loads everywhere around the pitch.
Always wondered this myself...suppose it's about wanting to keep the momentum after scoring. That said, the hysteria surrounding Fernandes not giving the ball back was laughable, it wasn't Liverpool's ball to take - they scored, Utd then kick off.
As my old music teacher said, stop with the TWR its not working, this after him telling us a story for about 20 minutes!!
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Why do lads need THAT ball when they score? There's loads everywhere around the pitch.
Always wondered this myself...suppose it's about wanting to keep the momentum after scoring. That said, the hysteria surrounding Fernandes not giving the ball back was laughable, it wasn't Liverpool's ball to take - they scored, Utd then kick off.
Could they take 5-10mimutes to walk back to the centre circle in that case? If not, why not?
It's a symbolic gesture from the team that has scored, they're more interested in restarting than they are celebrating. Surely anyone can understand this?
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It's a symbolic gesture from the team that has scored, they're more interested in restarting than they are celebrating. Surely anyone can understand this?
All day long, interfering with play, or slow play or whatever you want, that will be seen as a yellow card in most games... Being captain probably bought him some slack
Of course I understand the symbolism. I don't understand why they waste their own time wanting THAT ball.
Hat trick for Haland. That is what he brings you. City won't be caught as long as Haland remains healthy.
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 27, 2022, 04:49:05 PM
Hat trick for Haland. That is what he brings you. City won't be caught as long as Haland remains healthy.
I think i recall one poster on here thinking Haaland would struggle in the Premier league in the way Timo Werner has with Chelsea.
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 27, 2022, 04:49:05 PM
Hat trick for Haland. That is what he brings you. City won't be caught as long as Haland remains healthy.
Someone else could get injured. There is a reason the World Cup and Euros are played in summer. In December the World Cup will function more like Becher's Brook.
Stevie starfish must be close to the chop!
Some tasty games midweek, only Arsenal and City have it handy
Scott Parker the first manager to go. Inevitable he would get the boot after his comments in the interviews after the Liverpool match.
Scott Parker manages to beat Gerrard/Lamps/Brodge to the first sacking
Saying its to do with post match comments rather than the poor start
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Scott Parker the first manager to go. Inevitable he would get the boot after his comments in the interviews after the Liverpool match.
What were the comments ?
Complaining about lack of signings? Didnt overly listen but they didnt seem too bad
Idve sacked him for that awful cardigan but thats just me
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Scott Parker the first manager to go. Inevitable he would get the boot after his comments in the interviews after the Liverpool match.
What were the comments ?
We are woefully underequipped to compete at this level.
Something like that.
It was a very odd thing to say tbh but Southampton got tanked 9-0 the other year and came back. I was hoping Bournemouth did the same.
I feel sorry for him. They've had the hardest opening run of any club, they've already played City, Arsenal and Liverpool in the first 4 games, arguably the 3 best teams in the league. They even picked up 3 points in the other game against Villa.
I'd say they were expecting 3 points from those first 4 games. But it's the manner of the defeats which have cost Parker his job.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 30, 2022, 11:33:52 AM
I feel sorry for him. They've had the hardest opening run of any club, they've already played City, Arsenal and Liverpool in the first 4 games, arguably the 3 best teams in the league. They even picked up 3 points in the other game against Villa.
I'd say they were expecting 3 points from those first 4 games. But it's the manner of the defeats which have cost Parker his job.
Think from the statement its probably more his public complaining about the quality of the squad and, presumably, a philosophical difference with the owners in how to run the club.
From their talk about sustainability, it looks like they might be going the Norwich approach, i.e. trying to keep spending in check and build gradually by being a yo-yo club for a while.
Fulham spend like crazy and they're still a yo-yo club!
Forest have spent more this summer than they have in their entire history (read on the twitter must be true lol)
Id say close to 20 players in at this stage, be great if they stayed up but is that not near too big a turnaround? Slap in the face for those who got them promoted?
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 30, 2022, 01:15:35 PM
Forest have spent more this summer than they have in their entire history (read on the twitter must be true lol)
Id say close to 20 players in at this stage, be great if they stayed up but is that not near too big a turnaround? Slap in the face for those who got them promoted?
4 of the 11 who played in the playoff final were Loanees who have returned to their club and the keeper wanted to leave "a legend" after making the Saves to get them to the final
The rest have retained their places for now so not really a slap in the face. Hope they stick with Cooper if things don't go their way
They've averaged a manager a year since clough
Fair enough Hoof. Crazy amount of incomings but like i say hope they stay up. Good atmosphere at sundays match
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 30, 2022, 01:48:07 PM
Fair enough Hoof. Crazy amount of incomings but like i say hope they stay up. Good atmosphere at sundays match
Same thing happened when Villa came up a few years ago. Had no choice but to buy a dozen or so players, as their promotion team had 5 loanees and also many of their squad players were out of contract. Didn't stop pundits saying it was crazy to try and buy so many new players of course. Was that , or play academy players.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 30, 2022, 01:48:07 PM
Fair enough Hoof. Crazy amount of incomings but like i say hope they stay up. Good atmosphere at sundays match
Aye it is a crazy amount, won't be easy to keep them all happy
In reality the EPL is bigger than 20 teams. There is a cohort of an extra say 8-10 teams orbiting the Championship with various levels of connection to the main division, either recently relegated or yo-yoing or building up the iterations for an assault. And the money justifies it.
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I feel sorry for him. They've had the hardest opening run of any club, they've already played City, Arsenal and Liverpool in the first 4 games, arguably the 3 best teams in the league. They even picked up 3 points in the other game against Villa.
I'd say they were expecting 3 points from those first 4 games. But it's the manner of the defeats which have cost Parker his job.
Think from the statement its probably more his public complaining about the quality of the squad and, presumably, a philosophical difference with the owners in how to run the club.
From their talk about sustainability, it looks like they might be going the Norwich approach, i.e. trying to keep spending in check and build gradually by being a yo-yo club for a while.
Fulham spend like crazy and they're still a yo-yo club!
I think it was more they weren't "aligned". Anything I read was essentially they weren't willing to spend a lot and that rant by Parker was essentially highlighting that.
Parker essentially fell on his sword with the remarks. Can't expect to publicly slate the owners in that way and not expect repercussions. He looked shellshocked in the post match interviews.
I wonder will the next managers that lose to Liverpool and City within a few games also lose their jobs for saying they can't compete nor not equipped enough at this level..
Not too many teams are equipped enough at Liverpool or City's level.
It seems a handy enough way of getting rid of someone in fairness
Parker wanted more money. Owners said no. He went public. Probably got what he deserved.
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Parker wanted more money. Owners said no. He went public. Probably got what he deserved.
Thought his post match comments had an edge to them "we're under equipped for this level" didn't really sound like something a happy manager would say!
Parker doesn't care. He could get a better job before Christmas. It's not like he is struggling on universal credit .
Managers know if they dont speak now thats them snookered till the Jan window and possibly too late. He maybe spoke out of turn but is a sacking not a bit harsh? Maybe same boy happy enough to go....
Am I the only one who thinks Tuchel is hugely overrated and gets it handy from the media! He's had some real bad defeats in his time.
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2022, 06:03:24 PM
Parker doesn't care. He could get a better job before Christmas. It's not like he is struggling on universal credit .
exactly none of these managers will starve or freeze death this winter.
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Parker doesn't care. He could get a better job before Christmas. It's not like he is struggling on universal credit .
exactly none of these managers will starve or freeze death this winter.
Neither will you, or any in here, the lad has worked himself into a great position. That's ok isn't it?
What has any of that got to do with anything? I am sure he didn't say that to get sacked and said it out of frustration.
Walter you would have to think Tuchel is in bother with that start from Chelsea but it doesn't seem talked about. If they'd done something last year fair enough but they didn't do much then either and with that start will do nothing this year based on the start.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 31, 2022, 03:29:04 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Tuchel is hugely overrated and gets it handy from the media! He's had some real bad defeats in his time.
They are given a free pass, talked up before this season started off the back of last season where they showed nothing. They got some spankings last season too, was only in April that they got thumped 4 nil at home to Brighton or Brentford.
Haaland beating up Premier League defences with no mercy.
Again football is f**ked. the concept that a team averaging 90+ points a season and averages a 3-goal cushion over 60% of teams, is permitted to sign the best young striker in Europe, is fundamentally fucked up beyond words.
Hat trick.... He'll need probably score a few more
Watching the Arsenal game here. They're very entertaining to watch.
This is like the old Newcastle Liverpool games
Man City 5 Forest 0
Man City have no European Cups. Forest have 2.
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Man City 5 Forest 0
Man City have no European Cups. Forest have 2.
Trying senior hurling in 2022 is a lot different from the late 70's
Loved that Liverpool scored during the time that the goalkeeper thought he'd waste time.. Absolutely pointless exercise if feigning injuries
Wuhan absolutely flying in the Chinese Super League. 12-game winning streak.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 31, 2022, 10:00:54 PM
Loved that Liverpool scored during the time that the goalkeeper thought he'd waste time.. Absolutely pointless exercise if feigning injuries
Fair play mr2. Howe has toon goin well but the time wasting was a bit much.
Jeebus big david ngog has fair improved since leavin pool 😃
Players gurn at me for playing 7 plus minutes at the end of games, stop lying around
The 3 relegation places are held by clubs that were in the Premier League last year.
It would be difficult for you not to get paranoid about VAR, if you were a follower of a smaller club.
Another strange decision to blow so early and disallow Coutinho's goal.
Quote from: pbat on September 03, 2022, 07:30:03 PM
Another strange decision to blow so early and disallow Coutinho's goal.
Not sure why he puts the flag up when he knows VAR will pick it up if actually offside. It wasn't even that marginal ; clearly on. In saying that , not sure Ederson made any attempt to stop the shot, as the whistle had gone.
Just seeing that West Ham VAR decision now. As soon as the ref was told to go look at it, the Chelsea fans were cheering as they knew the likelihood was it would be overturned, whether deserved or not. I think making the ref look at it again puts serious doubt in the ref's mind that he's not seeing something others are.
Another ridiculous VAR decision there.
Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Crazy.
Why would anyone want to go near the place now?
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
Sean Dyche
Graham Potter maybe?
Poch you'd imagine will be first choice.
Crazy stuff sacking Tuchel but not surprising given the millions sloshing about the premier league. Potter should be top of the list but I suspect they will go for a bigger name. Pocchetino while not flopping completely at PSG didn't either improve the side or do anything to show that he can handle a dressing room full of egos. There aren't very many top class managers available though so he could well get it.
Expected to request permission to speak to Potter
Potter be as well stay where he's at I would say.
Potter Poch or Zidane youd think
Crazy givin him all those ££ then firin him..
Brendan Rodgers?
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 07, 2022, 11:21:49 AM
Potter Poch or Zidane youd think
Crazy givin him all those ££ then firin him..
Some were saying the he would not have bought those players, so possible this was already lined up for someone else
Graham Potter the favourite for Chelsea according to the lunchtime news.
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
With Chelsea it's expected. First slight dip in form they get rid of managers. Graham Potter deserves a high profile job however remains to be seen how he fares when the expectations to succeed is high.
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
With Chelsea it's expected. First slight dip in form they get rid of managers. Graham Potter deserves a high profile job however remains to be seen how he fares when the expectations to succeed is high.
It's a no brainier for Potter, someone offering you 4 times your current wage (or more) for doing the same job with better players and playing at the top level competition (CL)
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
With Chelsea it's expected. First slight dip in form they get rid of managers. Graham Potter deserves a high profile job however remains to be seen how he fares when the expectations to succeed is high.
It's a no brainier for Potter, someone offering you 4 times your current wage (or more) for doing the same job with better players and playing at the top level competition (CL)
4x but a much higher risk of being sacked
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
With Chelsea it's expected. First slight dip in form they get rid of managers. Graham Potter deserves a high profile job however remains to be seen how he fares when the expectations to succeed is high.
It's a no brainier for Potter, someone offering you 4 times your current wage (or more) for doing the same job with better players and playing at the top level competition (CL)
4x but a much higher risk of being sacked
Yes, and then huge pay out, then re-employed
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
With Chelsea it's expected. First slight dip in form they get rid of managers. Graham Potter deserves a high profile job however remains to be seen how he fares when the expectations to succeed is high.
It's a no brainier for Potter, someone offering you 4 times your current wage (or more) for doing the same job with better players and playing at the top level competition (CL)
4x but a much higher risk of being sacked
Yes, and then huge pay out, then re-employed
The pool of unemployed managers is quite large
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Thomas Tuchel gone from Chelsea.
Wow would not have expected that, unless they have someone lined up, like who'd be available? ZZ?
With Chelsea it's expected. First slight dip in form they get rid of managers. Graham Potter deserves a high profile job however remains to be seen how he fares when the expectations to succeed is high.
It's a no brainier for Potter, someone offering you 4 times your current wage (or more) for doing the same job with better players and playing at the top level competition (CL)
4x but a much higher risk of being sacked
Yes, and then huge pay out, then re-employed
The pool of unemployed managers is quite large
The pool of I've managed Chelsea and don't really need to worry about the electric bills is significant
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Potter Poch or Zidane youd think
Crazy givin him all those ££ then firin him..
Some were saying the he would not have bought those players, so possible this was already lined up for someone else
Chelsea's new owners probably had to spend to appease the fans but reading between the lines as a business they won't spend to the same levels every transfer window. If Potter gets the job, it's likely a sign Chelsea will transform their system. Brighton use a statistical model, have in depth transfer committees and research with Potter comfortable in that model as a head coach.
This time Chelsea might be building a long term plan.
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Potter Poch or Zidane youd think
Crazy givin him all those ££ then firin him..
Some were saying the he would not have bought those players, so possible this was already lined up for someone else
Chelsea's new owners probably had to spend to appease the fans but reading between the lines as a business they won't spend to the same levels every transfer window. If Potter gets the job, it's likely a sign Chelsea will transform their system. Brighton use a statistical model, have in depth transfer committees and research with Potter comfortable in that model as a head coach.
This time Chelsea might be building a long term plan.
Abramovich was quite capricious. The new owners may be more strategic
Quote from: seafoid on September 08, 2022, 08:55:08 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 07, 2022, 12:25:04 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 07, 2022, 11:21:49 AM
Potter Poch or Zidane youd think
Crazy givin him all those ££ then firin him..
Some were saying the he would not have bought those players, so possible this was already lined up for someone else
Chelsea's new owners probably had to spend to appease the fans but reading between the lines as a business they won't spend to the same levels every transfer window. If Potter gets the job, it's likely a sign Chelsea will transform their system. Brighton use a statistical model, have in depth transfer committees and research with Potter comfortable in that model as a head coach.
This time Chelsea might be building a long term plan.
Abramovich was quite capricious. The new owners may be more strategic
Doubtful, more likely that there is a shortage of good candidates out there but you have Potter who is highly regarded currently, he has taken a tiny club far beyond expectations (whilst playing good football) and will cost them very little.
Potter to Chelsea
Karius to Newcastle.
Football. Bloody hell 😃
Potter to Chelsea has Moyes to Utd written all over it. If he's there next Season I'll be shocked.
No matches this weekend ffs?
Quote from: ONeill on September 08, 2022, 07:07:05 PM
No matches this weekend ffs?
Will be a positive result for Arsenal then
Plenty club games around the country though
I had a sure thing for Last Man Standing
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Couple of weekends of not dropping any points so.
Every cloud eh 😂
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years
This was my Last Man Standing nap.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Unlucky dude.
Id say so as they say they did the same when Diana died. Cant mind that, must have been still in my drinking years 😎
Might do Lpool no harm tbh. And a few other teams tbh
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 08, 2022, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Unlucky dude.
Id say so as they say they did the same when Diana died. Cant mind that, must have been still in my drinking years 😎
Might do Lpool no harm tbh. And a few other teams tbh
It actually gets worse. I had a ticket for the Bournemouth game and had to swap it to be at a wedding ;D
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 08, 2022, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Unlucky dude.
Id say so as they say they did the same when Diana died. Cant mind that, must have been still in my drinking years 😎
Might do Lpool no harm tbh. And a few other teams tbh
It actually gets worse. I had a ticket for the Bournemouth game and had to swap it to be at a wedding ;D
Yeah I was going with some friends this weekend too. Likely out a fortune now
No football this weekend now that is a real tragedy. At least the NFL is back for a new season.
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 09, 2022, 12:21:55 AM
No football this weekend now that is a real tragedy. At least the NFL is back for a new season.
Will the same be done for her funeral? which won't be on for about two weeks.
All games in all tiers officially off this week.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 09, 2022, 11:53:57 AM
All games in all tiers officially off this week.
Thank god for the Tyrone Junior Championship eh
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 09, 2022, 12:29:46 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 09, 2022, 12:21:55 AM
No football this weekend now that is a real tragedy. At least the NFL is back for a new season.
Will the same be done for her funeral? which won't be on for about two weeks.
From reports filtering out there'll be no PL football until after the international break, not sure the PL want to accept that yet but they probably should call it now. UEFA competitions will continue unless individual clubs asks for a postponement.
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Couple of weekends of not dropping any points so.
Every cloud eh 😂
Yes, I think her highness has done Liverpool a favour. They could do with a week or two on the training pitch to iron out a few wrinkles.
Although I heard a mention on OTB about the Ajax game being moved to a neutral venue, which obviously would not be good.
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2022, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Couple of weekends of not dropping any points so.
Every cloud eh 😂
Yes, I think her highness has done Liverpool a favour. They could do with a week or two on the training pitch to iron out a few wrinkles.
Although I heard a mention on OTB about the Ajax game being moved to a neutral venue, which obviously would not be good.
feckers will likely reset over this break and go on a mad winning run. Talk of the Cl games going to Dublin.
Joke of a decision postponing yhe games given a world cup is already meaning crazy fixture congestion
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Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2022, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Couple of weekends of not dropping any points so.
Every cloud eh 😂
Yes, I think her highness has done Liverpool a favour. They could do with a week or two on the training pitch to iron out a few wrinkles.
Although I heard a mention on OTB about the Ajax game being moved to a neutral venue, which obviously would not be good.
feckers will likely reset over this break and go on a mad winning run. Talk of the Cl games going to Dublin.
Joke of a decision postponing yhe games given a world cup is already meaning crazy fixture congestion
Your Queen has died show some respect.
Quote from: Cavan19 on September 09, 2022, 01:00:21 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 09, 2022, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2022, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2022, 07:25:05 PM
Will matches be called off this weekend does anyone know?
I'd say almost certainly yes, maybe the following weekend too because of the funeral.
I was to go to the Wolves game at the game, first time at Anfield in nearly 3 years :-[
Couple of weekends of not dropping any points so.
Every cloud eh 😂
Yes, I think her highness has done Liverpool a favour. They could do with a week or two on the training pitch to iron out a few wrinkles.
Although I heard a mention on OTB about the Ajax game being moved to a neutral venue, which obviously would not be good.
feckers will likely reset over this break and go on a mad winning run. Talk of the Cl games going to Dublin.
Joke of a decision postponing yhe games given a world cup is already meaning crazy fixture congestion
Your Queen has died show some respect.
;)
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 09, 2022, 11:53:57 AM
All games in all tiers officially off this week.
Plenty of cash lost on accommodation and flights, ferries over i can imagine.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 09, 2022, 03:46:45 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 09, 2022, 11:53:57 AM
All games in all tiers officially off this week.
Plenty of cash lost on accommodation and flights, ferries over i can imagine.
Plenty League of Ireland games tonight, support the locals ;)
Finn Harps the bastids not playing .
Man United v Leeds
Liverpool v Chelsea
Both games next Sunday postponed :o
Brentford v Arsenal (in London goes ahead)
Everything is under control .... nothing to see or question here ::)
Leicester rooted to the bottom of the table and hammered this evening. Brendan Rodgers on borrowed time.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2022, 08:16:57 PM
Leicester rooted to the bottom of the table and hammered this evening. Brendan Rodgers on borrowed time.
He'll be gone soon. Played 7 with 1 point to show for it.
Rodgers does seem to have a shelf life of 3 or so years at every club before it goes tits up
There was an interview with Harry Kane earlier today about his thoughts on the Queen of England. I was convinced it was a sketch. 'Obviously, she showed consistency...'
Every UCAS applicant has captained their club at U16.
Bigger issue, would Bellew in his prime keep Haaland quiet?
Collins sorted out Grealish for betraying Ireland. Now he just has to get Rice.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2022, 10:57:30 PM
There was an interview with Harry Kane earlier today about his thoughts on the Queen of England. I was convinced it was a sketch. 'Obviously, she showed consistency...'
the word 'obviously ' should be banned from footballer interviews...
cringworthy listening to its overuse. Keane a big user of it too
https://youtu.be/LeqXYtobDQo
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2022, 08:21:33 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2022, 08:16:57 PM
Leicester rooted to the bottom of the table and hammered this evening. Brendan Rodgers on borrowed time.
He'll be gone soon. Played 7 with 1 point to show for it.
They are only 3 points off 17th place. A bit of a run with a few wins and they are out of trouble.
Bournemouth and Forest are bookies favourites for the first 2 relegation spots. Everton are 4th. Leicester are 3rd.
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation
Pep looks like some bloke from Moss side on the sideline
With them all dressin so sharp these days it does actually look a bit bad on the odd day they dress down imo.
Its like "fuckitt its only leicester today"....but i see theyre winnin irrespective...
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 29, 2022, 01:56:29 PM
With them all dressin so sharp these days it does actually look a bit bad on the odd day they dress down imo.
Its like "fuckitt its only leicester today"....but i see theyre winnin irrespective...
That's was what I thought, Leicester don't deserve the black turtle neck!!
A return to Brighton to forget for Potter and two of his Chelsea players has scored goals for Brighton.
Will Gomez get an assist for that?
Spurs win in Fergie time again. Not very Spursy
If it stays the same will this be Liverpool's worst result?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2022, 09:19:28 PM
If it stays the same will this be Liverpool's worst result?
Surely losing to Forest was
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2022, 09:41:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 29, 2022, 09:32:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2022, 09:19:28 PM
If it stays the same will this be Liverpool's worst result?
Surely losing to Forest was
You were saying? ;D
Forest were bottom
Leeds were second from bottom
Huge difference :o
Quote from: seafoid on October 29, 2022, 09:52:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2022, 09:41:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 29, 2022, 09:32:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2022, 09:19:28 PM
If it stays the same will this be Liverpool's worst result?
Surely losing to Forest was
You were saying? ;D
Forest were bottom
Leeds were second from bottom
Huge difference :o
Forrest were at Home and Leeds were at fortress Anfield
The record had to go at some stage.
Liverpool need to get the chequebook out
Quote from: seafoid on October 29, 2022, 09:55:00 PM
The record had to go at some stage.
Liverpool need to get the chequebook out
They like cheques and balances the fans love that stuff, being in the black and all that jazz
The relegation spots are quite fluid so far
Fairly soft peno for City in the 95th minute today.
Everton 2 down, The Brodge seems to have turned it around at Leicester.
Great win for city, fairly tough red card,Haaland unlucky with his goal
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2022, 02:30:09 AM
Great win for city, fairly tough red card,Haaland unlucky with his goal
Yes, City are doing well against the odds.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 06, 2022, 12:09:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2022, 02:30:09 AM
Great win for city, fairly tough red card,Haaland unlucky with his goal
Yes, City are doing well against the odds.
God love them
Prize money for the various Competitions
(there are other hidden prize monies)
Champions League
Winner €20m
Runner-up €15.5m
Semi finalists €12.5m
Quarter finalists €10.6m
Round of 16 €9.6m
Group-stage wins €2.8m
Group-stage draws €930k
Reaching group stage €15.64m
Premier League
1 £161.3m
2 £159.8m
3 £152.1m,
4 £151.7m,
5 £151.6m,
6 £150.2m,
7 £142.1m,
8 £134m,
9 £131.5m,
10 £130.6m,
11 £128.2m,
12 £124.3m,
13 £123.3m,
14 £121m,
15 £120.4m,
16 £116.1m,
17 £113.3m,
18 £106.1m,
19 £104.6m,
20 £100.3m.
FA Cup
3rd round prize money £105,000
4th round prize money £120,000
5th round prize money £225,000
QF prize money £450,000
SF prize money £1,000,000
Final £2,000,000
League Cup
QF prize money £25,000
SF prize money £50,000
Final prize money £100,000
Gate Receipts Distribution:
the Gate receipts earnings are divided into three pot of every EFL Cup match. 45% each is shared by the home and away team regardless of where the match is taking place while 10% goes to English FA. For two semifinals and final at Wembley in 2019, £5 million was generated via ticket & hospitality sales (£3 million in two semifinals and £2 million from the final). So the winners and runners up walked away with around £1.6 million each.
UEFA Super Cup
Winner: €5,000,000.
Runner-up: €3,800,000.
World Club Cup
Winner $5 million
Runner-up $4 million
Third place $2.5 million
Fourth place $2 million
Fifth place $1.5 million
Sixth place $1 million
Seventh Place $500,000
Quote from: laoislad on November 05, 2022, 07:19:25 PM
Fairly soft peno for City in the 95th minute today.
Everton 2 down, The Brodge seems to have turned it around at Leicester.
Everton couldn't score in a brothel at the minute. Yet another relegation battle forthcoming unless they find a Kevin Campbell in January.
Just watched the big match revisited..
1975 Arsenal v Liverpool, how players played on those pitches is baffling
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
Mighty Manchester City beaten at home to Brentford!. Ivan Toney not picked on Southgates England World Cup squad scores both goals for the winners.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
They play different positions ?
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 12, 2022, 02:55:08 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
They play different positions ?
Can say they same about Rashford, Wilson etc if you want to be pedantic.
Southgate, "I never pick on reputation -- form has to come into it."
Southgate has a team that's performed well in competitions, he's happy enough with his squad that's done well enough for him, regardless of that quote, he's been consistent
Bit debatable whether he scored the first in fairness
But Brentford pressed City and closed them down..
Still Arsenals to lose at this rate
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
England bored their way to the Euro final, but very few of those players are in any kind of form . Kane isn't playing well, Sterling poor, Phillips and Maguire hardly playing at all. Only player in any sort of form is Trippier. Rashford has been eating the ball lately trying to secure his spot but he's unlikely to start . Yep I'm feeling more secure for another England World Cup c**k up.
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2022, 03:26:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
England bored their way to the Euro final, but very few of those players are in any kind of form . Kane isn't playing well, Sterling poor, Phillips and Maguire hardly playing at all. Only player in any sort of form is Trippier. Rashford has been eating the ball lately trying to secure his spot but he's unlikely to start . Yep I'm feeling more secure for another England World Cup c**k up.
Saka surely counts as being in form?
Quote from: shark on November 12, 2022, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2022, 03:26:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
England bored their way to the Euro final, but very few of those players are in any kind of form . Kane isn't playing well, Sterling poor, Phillips and Maguire hardly playing at all. Only player in any sort of form is Trippier. Rashford has been eating the ball lately trying to secure his spot but he's unlikely to start . Yep I'm feeling more secure for another England World Cup c**k up.
Saka surely counts as being in form?
Foden as well
Ivan Toney in a bit of bother with the betting, a stint on the sidelines coming up.
Maybe another reason Mr Southgate didn't bring him along!
Quote from: johnnycool on November 17, 2022, 12:10:25 PM
Ivan Toney in a bit of bother with the betting, a stint on the sidelines coming up.
Maybe another reason Mr Southgate didn't bring him along!
It wasn't even like one or two things.. over 200.. nut job
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 12, 2022, 03:26:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
How does Grealish and Kalvin Phillips make the England squad, but Ivan Toney doesn't?
England bored their way to the Euro final, but very few of those players are in any kind of form . Kane isn't playing well, Sterling poor, Phillips and Maguire hardly playing at all. Only player in any sort of form is Trippier. Rashford has been eating the ball lately trying to secure his spot but he's unlikely to start . Yep I'm feeling more secure for another England World Cup c**k up.
Kane has 12 goals in 15 games. That's tracking at 30 goal league season.
As much as I hate the b*****d, Kane is dragging Spurs across a lot of lines this year. Having a great season IMO, although perhaps not as flashy goals as previous years
Pep staying on till 2025 now, must be some coin in that with promises of the best players from the World Cup coming
A few all Premier league ties.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FirJdRuWYAAXaDh?format=jpg&name=large)
Man City v Chelsea is the pick of those ties.
Should be 5-0 at this point, Nunez likes to try and break the offside trap, if there was a table for that he'd be top
Nunez is a trier anyway. - you have to give him that.
That third goal was very well done by the young guy.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 26, 2022, 07:20:03 PM
Nunez is a trier anyway. - you have to give him that.
That third goal was very well done by the young guy.
God loves a trier I suppose
Arsenal not letting up.. so Arsenal and City look like shoe ins for top four
Selling soccer players to the EPL is like selling bullocks to farmers in Meath to fatten. PSV, like Ajax, is a selling club.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/1226/1343814-psv-and-liverpool-agree-deal-for-cody-gakpo/PSV general manager Marcel Brands confirmed Gakpo's anticipated transfer would be a "record" for the Eredivisie club.
Hirving Lozano's move to Napoli in 2019 for a reported 42 million euros was the previous highest sale by the Dutch outfit.
A club statement added: "Both clubs are not making any announcements about the transfer fee."
"But this is a record transfer for PSV," said general manager Brands
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 26, 2022, 07:20:03 PM
Nunez is a trier anyway. - you have to give him that.
That third goal was very well done by the young guy.
He has either scored or assisted a goal in every game he's played so far for Liverpool.
Can't wait to see what he will be like when he starts playing well....
Quote from: laoislad on December 27, 2022, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 26, 2022, 07:20:03 PM
Nunez is a trier anyway. - you have to give him that.
That third goal was very well done by the young guy.
He has either scored or assisted a goal in every game he's played so far for Liverpool.
Can't wait to see what he will be like when he starts playing well....
He's that good Liverpool are 6th, I suppose you could look at the good in every flop
Didn't think he got an assist last night?
I think he will turn out ok. Question is will he get more prolific or turn into a Dirk Kuyt and add a lot through work rate more than goals.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 27, 2022, 03:27:31 PM
I think he will turn out ok. Question is will he get more prolific or turn into a Dirk Kuyt and add a lot through work rate more than goals.
He's better than Dirk, better looking
Nunes is playing well now, this could be as good as it gets for him. He hasn't exactly been consistently prolific in his career to date.
If City finish second to Arsenal are they worse off having Haaland even if he scores 50 goals?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2022, 04:55:21 PM
If City finish second to Arsenal are they worse off having Haaland even if he scores 50 goals?
They'll be judged off whether or not they win the CL. Haaland will be a massive part of that if and inevitably when they do it
That's one way to stop the best striker!
City's squad is unreal
Possibly goal of the season from Gray against City. Screamer.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 31, 2022, 03:06:47 PM
That's one way to stop the best striker!
City's squad is unreal
Money.
If hurling was the same, Dublin would win everything.
Quote from: GJL on December 31, 2022, 05:07:48 PM
Possibly goal of the season from Gray against City. Screamer.
That draw gives Liverpool a chance to catch them for the league
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 31, 2022, 05:36:28 PM
Quote from: GJL on December 31, 2022, 05:07:48 PM
Possibly goal of the season from Gray against City. Screamer.
That draw gives Liverpool a chance to catch them for the league
Only 8 points behind now
Quote from: seafoid on December 31, 2022, 05:38:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 31, 2022, 05:36:28 PM
Quote from: GJL on December 31, 2022, 05:07:48 PM
Possibly goal of the season from Gray against City. Screamer.
That draw gives Liverpool a chance to catch them for the league
Only 8 points behind now
Nearly caught them when further behind last season, waiting for Arsenals drop off but in fairness to them they are sticking at it
Liverpool won't finish ahead of Arsenal.
Evan Ferguson 18 years old and Irish got on the score sheet against Arsenal for Brighton. They still lost 4-2.
Bazunu lost for Southampton but did save a Mitrovic penalty.
Conte such a boring manager after spending a fortune during summer.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 01, 2023, 03:33:35 PM
Conte such a boring manager after spending a fortune during summer.
They are rubbish, probably beat Arsenal next week though
Levy will probably dump Conte this week.
Quote from: pbat on January 01, 2023, 03:39:33 PM
Levy will probably dump Conte this week.
Poch be back.
Conte looked a bit nonplussed towards the end not like him at all.
Joe Lewis trading as Levy is the problem.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2023/0101/1344429-conte-spurs-saddled-with-unrealistic-expectations/
Even though Conte guided the club into the Champions League last season, he described that achievement as a "miracle" and insisted he will continue to be realistic with the club.
"I know what is the reality because I am the coach," he said.
"The club knows very well what are my thoughts on the situation. The situation was very clear. I continue to work and to improve and to help you to improve the club, to create a solid foundation and then to develop.
"You have to know that there are clubs who can invest £200m or £300m and others with different policies and I repeat you have to respect the policy.
"The policy has to be very clear with all people otherwise we created a situation that's not positive for the environment to create expectations that are not realistic, honestly.
"I was expecting this moment. Now we have to start to fight strong, because the situation in this league you can slip quickly.
"If you ask me if I'm scared, I'm not scared. I believe in my work, I believe in these players, but don't ask me for things I cannot promise you."
Conte has invested 200 to 300 million and made them worse.
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
The quality and money City of bench are big reason they'll win league.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Hard to know. Chelsea have a heap of players running down contracts, another handful who haven't settled into English football (Pulisic, Ziyech, Havertz) and had just bought in a few players (Aubameyang, Sterling) hardly renowned for their team ethic. There's a lot of talent in their squad but there would be easier challenges out there than moulding them into a team.
And as it's Chelsea he will be gone by the summer and we never will know for sure!
Turning into a 2 horse race now, City out of the capital with 3 points, they didn't actually have a shot till the 32 minute!
It's all down to how Arsenal do in their next game.. Spurs would hate to hand them 3 points
It really really isnt all down to their next game...
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Probably is. They had some good results in Europe but they have been very poor in the League. He brought on a few young players who gave mo,re then some of the egos like Aubameyang.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 05, 2023, 10:22:52 PM
It really really isnt all down to their next game...
If Arsenal lose and City win the Arsenal will shit their pants
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 10:25:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Probably is. They had some good results in Europe but they have been very poor in the League. He brought on a few young players who gave mo,re then some of the egos like Aubameyang.
Chelsea with 9 players out injured and Potter has adopted a squad that needs overhauled. I'm not sure it's going to work out but he needs time.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 05, 2023, 10:30:27 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 10:25:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Probably is. They had some good results in Europe but they have been very poor in the League. He brought on a few young players who gave mo,re then some of the egos like Aubameyang.
Chelsea with 9 players out injured and Potter has adopted a squad that needs overhauled. I'm not sure it's going to work out but he needs time.
He needs a clean slate and to be able to ship out big names and given full control like Ten Hag is getting at United. Potter a really good manager but whether he'll be able to handle big egos or even if he will be allowed to is another thing. That owner seems like a tool who will stick his nose in too much.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 05, 2023, 10:30:27 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 10:25:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Probably is. They had some good results in Europe but they have been very poor in the League. He brought on a few young players who gave mo,re then some of the egos like Aubameyang.
Chelsea with 9 players out injured and Potter has adopted a squad that needs overhauled. I'm not sure it's going to work out but he needs time.
And one thing Chelsea are good at is giving managers time!
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Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Cucurella looks out of his depth at Chelsea. He had one season at Brighton and Chelsea paid 50m.
I think potter seems a bit out of his depth too.
Probably is. They had some good results in Europe but they have been very poor in the League. He brought on a few young players who gave mo,re then some of the egos like Aubameyang.
Chelsea with 9 players out injured and Potter has adopted a squad that needs overhauled. I'm not sure it's going to work out but he needs time.
And one thing Chelsea are good at is giving managers time!
New owner might have more patience than Roman Abramovich had.
More fa cup but that wood miss was a shocker. You won't see many worse.
Newcastle United 3rd in the Premier League knocked out of the FA Cup tonight by League one Sheffield Wednesday.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 07, 2023, 07:55:56 PM
Newcastle United 3rd in the Premier League knocked out of the FA Cup tonight by League one Sheffield Wednesday.
Obviously they are focusing on 3rd
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 07, 2023, 07:55:56 PM
Newcastle United 3rd in the Premier League knocked out of the FA Cup tonight by League one Sheffield Wednesday.
Obviously they are focusing on 3rd
Or league cup quarter final next week.
Never offside, Liverpool got away with one. Happy enough they've another game in an already busy season.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 07, 2023, 07:55:56 PM
Newcastle United 3rd in the Premier League knocked out of the FA Cup tonight by League one Sheffield Wednesday.
Obviously they are focusing on 3rd
Or league cup quarter final next week.
They might make more money in the Champions League. The Howav the Toon factor would be higher.
I'm gonna put the VAR shambles from yesterday in here
Liverpool goal clearly offside in the build up - not given
Wolves goal disallowed despite the VAR official not having a camera view to disallow goal and the referee clearly telling the linesman to raise his flag for offside during play
It's clearly corruption or undue influence of a number of clubs on decisions
It's not corruption. It's a natural continuation of what has always been the case with referees; when doubt exists, follow the path of least resistance.... which is to favour the home team, unless the away team is a much bigger club, then you favour them.
It's always been the case. VAR just magnifies how obvious it is.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 08, 2023, 02:07:25 PM
I'm gonna put the VAR shambles from yesterday in here
Liverpool goal clearly offside in the build up - not given
Wolves goal disallowed despite the VAR official not having a camera view to disallow goal and the referee clearly telling the linesman to raise his flag for offside during play
It's clearly corruption or undue influence of a number of clubs on decisions
Interpretation is the big problem. Bigger clubs always get the tight decisions. Why? Because the decision is bigger for the bigger club and the referees feel this pressure subliminally.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 08, 2023, 02:07:25 PM
I'm gonna put the VAR shambles from yesterday in here
Liverpool goal clearly offside in the build up - not given
Wolves goal disallowed despite the VAR official not having a camera view to disallow goal and the referee clearly telling the linesman to raise his flag for offside during play
It's clearly corruption or undue influence of a number of clubs on decisions
;D
Funny how it's only Liverpool that upsets you.
Leeds sneak a draw there, looked like offside leading up to the equaliser for Leeds.. no VAR ... must just help teams with L as their first letter
A great and simple quote from the late Gianluca Vialli on the BBC tribute bit. "You never lose, you either win or learn"
Or in spurs case you lose, gain false hope and repeat
Gareth Bale has retired at 33.
Bit of a shame, I thought he might have a couple more years in him.
Quote from: general_lee on January 09, 2023, 04:03:32 PM
Gareth Bale has retired at 33.
Bit of a shame, I thought he might have a couple more years in him.
as good as anyone at his best, unstoppable at times, just never had the attitude of likes of Ronaldo or Messi to look after himself and prolong his career. Still won it all with Real and got Wales some priceless moments as well. Managed to milk millions out of Madrid for a few years as well.
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Quote from: general_lee on January 09, 2023, 04:03:32 PM
Gareth Bale has retired at 33.
Bit of a shame, I thought he might have a couple more years in him.
as good as anyone at his best, unstoppable at times, just never had the attitude of likes of Ronaldo or Messi to look after himself and prolong his career. Still won it all with Real and got Wales some priceless moments as well. Managed to milk millions out of Madrid for a few years as well.
You'd think being at Real Madrid the same time as Ronaldo would have affected his time there. Both like to be the main man.
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Quote from: general_lee on January 09, 2023, 04:03:32 PM
Gareth Bale has retired at 33.
Bit of a shame, I thought he might have a couple more years in him.
as good as anyone at his best, unstoppable at times, just never had the attitude of likes of Ronaldo or Messi to look after himself and prolong his career. Still won it all with Real and got Wales some priceless moments as well. Managed to milk millions out of Madrid for a few years as well.
You'd think being at Real Madrid the same time as Ronaldo would have affected his time there. Both like to be the main man.
Managed to score massive goals in significant games, seemed to keep him relevant even when he was dwindling.
He was brilliant in the first couple of years at Madrid under
Ancelotti.
Then was constantly injured under Zidane ,but scored the overhead against Liverpool
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 09, 2023, 04:35:01 PM
He was brilliant in the first couple of years at Madrid under
Ancelotti.
Then was constantly injured under Zidane ,but scored the overhead against Liverpool
probably the best goal ever
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 09, 2023, 04:35:01 PM
He was brilliant in the first couple of years at Madrid under
Ancelotti.
Then was constantly injured under Zidane ,but scored the overhead against Liverpool
probably the best goal ever
Zlatan 's v England was better I thought
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=weViOPghw1w
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=weViOPghw1w)
Dragged Wales to the World Cup. Won x Champions League medals. He's probably retiring because of accumulated injuries.
Wales, greatest ever player, I imagine.
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 06:15:13 PM
Dragged Wales to the World Cup. Won x Champions League medals. He's probably retiring because of accumulated injuries.
Wales, greatest ever player, I imagine.
Him or John Charles.
Only because he's managed in the premier league I'll post it in this thread, but how in under God has Roberto Martinez landed another big international job?
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 09, 2023, 07:28:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 06:15:13 PM
Dragged Wales to the World Cup. Won x Champions League medals. He's probably retiring because of accumulated injuries.
Wales, greatest ever player, I imagine.
Him or John Charles.
Ryan Giggs would deserve a mention, but he tended to be less committed to the Welsh cause. Plus his personal life has greatly shaded his achievements and his stature.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 09, 2023, 08:10:27 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 09, 2023, 07:28:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 06:15:13 PM
Dragged Wales to the World Cup. Won x Champions League medals. He's probably retiring because of accumulated injuries.
Wales, greatest ever player, I imagine.
Him or John Charles.
Ryan Giggs would deserve a mention, but he tended to be less committed to the Welsh cause. Plus his personal life has greatly shaded his achievements and his stature.
I was thinking the same.
Giggs seemed to have better players around him when he was playing with Wales, but they were never near qualification. Mark Hughes,Ian Rush, Gary Speed, Neville Southhall.
Bale was outstanding in the qualifiers and at Euro 16. He led them to Euro 20 and the World Cup. He had a poor World Cup maybe the retirement was on his mind before then
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 09, 2023, 08:37:28 PM
Giggs seemed to have better players around him when he was playing with Wales, but they were never near qualification. Mark Hughes,Ian Rush, Gary Speed, Neville Southhall.
Bale was outstanding in the qualifiers and at Euro 16. He led them to Euro 20 and the World Cup. He had a poor World Cup maybe the retirement was on his mind before then
They were near enough for USA 94. Still had a shot going in to last game , but lost at home to Romania.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 09, 2023, 08:37:28 PM
Giggs seemed to have better players around him when he was playing with Wales, but they were never near qualification. Mark Hughes,Ian Rush, Gary Speed, Neville Southhall.
Bale was outstanding in the qualifiers and at Euro 16. He led them to Euro 20 and the World Cup. He had a poor World Cup maybe the retirement was on his mind before then
Physically he was done at the WC, but he was almost unplayable at his best for Spurs
Bale would have a fair old shout for Britain's greatest ever player. He could make the best defenders in the world look like plodders. He finished once Maicon when he was only young.
His highlights reel would match anyone in history.
These would be my favourites.
https://youtu.be/wyNC0GgtARw
https://youtu.be/1J0UcFlw9W0
10 Spurs goals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOi2JAhXwdI
Bale Modric and a fleetingly excellent Lennon all part of one team yes? Defoe?
From memory Redknapp had them playing some stuff, prob coupla other ballers ive forgot about
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 09, 2023, 09:42:24 PM
Bale Modric and a fleetingly excellent Lennon all part of one team yes? Defoe?
From memory Redknapp had them playing some stuff, prob coupla other ballers ive forgot about
Nico Kranjcar and Peter crouch too :P
Could see he was done at the World Cup, but think he probably is the best British player of the last 30 years anyway
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Quote from: Armagh18 on January 09, 2023, 05:18:47 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 09, 2023, 04:35:01 PM
He was brilliant in the first couple of years at Madrid under
Ancelotti.
Then was constantly injured under Zidane ,but scored the overhead against Liverpool
probably the best goal ever
Zlatan 's v England was better I thought
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=weViOPghw1w
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=weViOPghw1w)
Unreal. But to do what Bale did in a Champions League final was something else.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 09, 2023, 08:10:27 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 09, 2023, 07:28:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 06:15:13 PM
Dragged Wales to the World Cup. Won x Champions League medals. He's probably retiring because of accumulated injuries.
Wales, greatest ever player, I imagine.
Him or John Charles.
Ryan Giggs would deserve a mention, but he tended to be less committed to the Welsh cause. Plus his personal life has greatly shaded his achievements and his stature.
Giggs probably the best Welsh player ever but not Wales' best player ever if that makes sense.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 09, 2023, 08:37:28 PM
Giggs seemed to have better players around him when he was playing with Wales, but they were never near qualification. Mark Hughes,Ian Rush, Gary Speed, Neville Southhall.
Bale was outstanding in the qualifiers and at Euro 16. He led them to Euro 20 and the World Cup. He had a poor World Cup maybe the retirement was on his mind before then
Yeah he probably would have been gone before now only for the WC.
Not even Wales' best ever player let alone Britain.😂
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 09, 2023, 10:21:14 PM
Not even Wales' best ever player let alone Britain.😂
The smiley face confirms it, like using Fact at the end of a statement
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2023, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 09, 2023, 10:21:14 PM
Not even Wales' best ever player let alone Britain.😂
The smiley face confirms it, like using Fact at the end of a statement
Case closed sir
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2023, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 09, 2023, 10:21:14 PM
Not even Wales' best ever player let alone Britain.😂
The smiley face confirms it, like using Fact at the end of a statement
Exactly
If playing careers are measured by longevity then of course Giggs wins out. But Bale was a level above Giggs. Bale is a step below Ronaldo, Messi territory. Somewhere alongside Iniesta, Modric, Mattheus, Van Basten. Rooney might make that tier too. Giggs is below that .
Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2023, 10:51:58 PM
If playing careers are measured by longevity then of course Giggs wins out. But Bale was a level above Giggs. Bale is a step below Ronaldo, Messi territory. Somewhere alongside Iniesta, Modric, Mattheus, Van Basten. Rooney might make that tier too. Giggs is below that .
Think people often underrate how good Giggs was at his best as a winger, maybe due to the fact they view him as someone who just had a long career rather than on his merits as a player. He's up there with any of them imo.
Some english journo on ssn there tryin to bring gazza into the best british player ever debate.....5 champs leagues v .....wearin a pair of false tits at a homecoming......in fairness Best was mentioned
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Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2023, 10:51:58 PM
If playing careers are measured by longevity then of course Giggs wins out. But Bale was a level above Giggs. Bale is a step below Ronaldo, Messi territory. Somewhere alongside Iniesta, Modric, Mattheus, Van Basten. Rooney might make that tier too. Giggs is below that .
Think people often underrate how good Giggs was at his best as a winger, maybe due to the fact they view him as someone who just had a long career rather than on his merits as a player. He's up there with any of them imo.
Giggs played under SAF for vast majority of his career and people seem to neglect the fact that Sir Alex could and did get the very best out of his players. Would Giggs have been the same player had he moved clubs a few times?
Quote from: general_lee on January 10, 2023, 12:00:48 PM
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Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2023, 10:51:58 PM
If playing careers are measured by longevity then of course Giggs wins out. But Bale was a level above Giggs. Bale is a step below Ronaldo, Messi territory. Somewhere alongside Iniesta, Modric, Mattheus, Van Basten. Rooney might make that tier too. Giggs is below that .
Think people often underrate how good Giggs was at his best as a winger, maybe due to the fact they view him as someone who just had a long career rather than on his merits as a player. He's up there with any of them imo.
Giggs played under SAF for vast majority of his career and people seem to neglect the fact that Sir Alex could and did get the very best out of his players. Would Giggs have been the same player had he moved clubs a few times?
If your granny had balls and all that lol
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Quote from: general_lee on January 10, 2023, 12:00:48 PM
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Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2023, 10:51:58 PM
If playing careers are measured by longevity then of course Giggs wins out. But Bale was a level above Giggs. Bale is a step below Ronaldo, Messi territory. Somewhere alongside Iniesta, Modric, Mattheus, Van Basten. Rooney might make that tier too. Giggs is below that .
Think people often underrate how good Giggs was at his best as a winger, maybe due to the fact they view him as someone who just had a long career rather than on his merits as a player. He's up there with any of them imo.
Giggs played under SAF for vast majority of his career and people seem to neglect the fact that Sir Alex could and did get the very best out of his players. Would Giggs have been the same player had he moved clubs a few times?
If your granny had balls and all that lol
If your granny had balls it would be a transgender these days
Just going back to Bale - it was his 25th Prem appearance before he got his first win for Spurs. Quite the stat
Full of useless info i am
Spurs never won a game with him at left back if I mind right. Moved to left wing and never looked back. Hugely talented footballer but was never too sure on his attitude.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gareth-bale-net-worth-business-25932906
Roberts, who is now assistant manager at Crystal Palace, told The Athletic: "They joked during the Euros that they wanted Gareth to buy a Welsh club lower down. It was Merthyr (who play in the seventh tier of the English league system), actually.
"Everyone would sign for him and take them all the way through the pyramid to the Premier League, so they could all play together every week. That's how close they were — they didn't want to just do it during the international breaks, they wanted to be together every day of the week."
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 10, 2023, 08:57:41 PM
Spurs never won a game with him at left back if I mind right. Moved to left wing and never looked back. Hugely talented footballer but was never too sure on his attitude.
His attitude just wasn't there later on. Look at the Wales. Golf. Madrid. Sign he had. Didnt give a shite about Madrid and don't really blame him either, fans there never took to him.
Rashford has turned from a flop to star ;)
Quote from: general_lee on January 10, 2023, 12:00:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 10, 2023, 12:07:28 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2023, 10:51:58 PM
If playing careers are measured by longevity then of course Giggs wins out. But Bale was a level above Giggs. Bale is a step below Ronaldo, Messi territory. Somewhere alongside Iniesta, Modric, Mattheus, Van Basten. Rooney might make that tier too. Giggs is below that .
Think people often underrate how good Giggs was at his best as a winger, maybe due to the fact they view him as someone who just had a long career rather than on his merits as a player. He's up there with any of them imo.
Giggs played under SAF for vast majority of his career and people seem to neglect the fact that Sir Alex could and did get the very best out of his players. Would Giggs have been the same player had he moved clubs a few times?
Always thought Giggs was hugely overrated as a winger. Too easily pushed off the ball and always yapping for frees. He tended to perform well when the team was winning handy. I preferred him playing in the last few years , when the team needed something , he came on to thread an important pass or two from centre midfield
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2023, 09:55:47 PM
Rashford has turned from a flop to star ;)
He was never a flop. Had a couple poor seasons. Played with a shoulder injury for nearly 2 seasons. He is never going to be prolific but he is flying at the moment.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2023, 09:55:47 PM
Rashford has turned from a flop to star ;)
He was never a flop. Had a couple poor seasons. Played with a shoulder injury for nearly 2 seasons. He is never going to be prolific but he is flying at the moment.
I jest but he was definitely distracted for long periods
Bale a way better footballer than Giggs was.
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Quote from: snoopdog on January 10, 2023, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2023, 09:55:47 PM
Rashford has turned from a flop to star ;)
He was never a flop. Had a couple poor seasons. Played with a shoulder injury for nearly 2 seasons. He is never going to be prolific but he is flying at the moment.
I jest but he was definitely distracted for long periods
By his other work maybe
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2023, 09:55:47 PM
Rashford has turned from a flop to star ;)
He was never a flop. Had a couple poor seasons. Played with a shoulder injury for nearly 2 seasons. He is never going to be prolific but he is flying at the moment.
I jest but he was definitely distracted for long periods
By his other work maybe
Southgate benched him. Talk about not knowing what you are doing.
Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2023, 10:35:04 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2023, 09:55:47 PM
Rashford has turned from a flop to star ;)
He was never a flop. Had a couple poor seasons. Played with a shoulder injury for nearly 2 seasons. He is never going to be prolific but he is flying at the moment.
I jest but he was definitely distracted for long periods
By his other work maybe
Southgate benched him. Talk about not knowing what you are doing.
In fairness he was shite for 2 years and probably lucky to be in the squad at all.
Good win for Southampton over Man City, it's now Man United's Carabao Cup to lose.....
Quote from: Turf on January 11, 2023, 09:54:35 PM
Good win for Southampton over Man City, it's now Man United's Carabao Cup to lose.....
Money bags Newcastle Uniteds to lose.
Bit of shemuzzle after penalties with notts forest and wolves
Utd will be borrowing that bus soon ;D
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 11, 2023, 10:01:54 PM
Bit of shemuzzle after penalties with notts forest and wolves
What was that about
Lively debut from Felix
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Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 11, 2023, 10:01:54 PM
Bit of shemuzzle after penalties with notts forest and wolves
What was that about
Gibbs white celrbratng his penalty in front of his old fans didn't go down well
Potter, the boy who came to die
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on January 12, 2023, 09:35:28 PM
Potter, the boy who came to die
If abramovic was about he wouldn't see midnight
Should never have left where he was
I W£nder w£y h£ l££t
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Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 11, 2023, 10:01:54 PM
Bit of shemuzzle after penalties with notts forest and wolves
What was that about
Gibbs white celrbratng his penalty in front of his old fans didn't go down well
Cheers Hoof. Seen him in the middle of part of it lol
Be interestin to see the payoff potter gets. Has to be dead man walkin. Some setup. Even if u fail yer quids in. Why wouldnt ye...
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Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 12, 2023, 09:33:00 PM
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Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 11, 2023, 10:01:54 PM
Bit of shemuzzle after penalties with notts forest and wolves
What was that about
Gibbs white celrbratng his penalty in front of his old fans didn't go down well
Cheers Hoof. Seen him in the middle of part of it lol
Be interestin to see the payoff potter gets. Has to be dead man walkin. Some setup. Even if u fail yer quids in. Why wouldnt ye...
where do they go to replace him
Tuchel 😂
Never shouldve gone. Terrible decision
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 12, 2023, 10:30:26 PM
Tuchel 😂
Never shouldve gone. Terrible decision
Agreed...Potter left some team behind hm at Brighton as well
I never thought Potter to Chelsea was a good idea
He's on borrowed time now
How can Rashford not be interfering there when he's standing over the ball and pulling the City players towards his run??
Quote from: J70 on January 14, 2023, 02:09:51 PM
How can Rashford not be interfering there when he's standing over the ball and pulling the City players towards his run??
Yeah I don't get it, he literally stops the City players getting to the ball.
Wouldn't have known Haaland was playing at all. When did Manchester City last have just 1 shot on target in a Premier league game? That young Garnacho lad has something about him.
There are 20 games to go, anyone of 6 can put in a shift and gather close to 50 plus points
f**king hell as bad as it would be seeing Arsenal win the league, it be 100 times worse if Man United win it. Don't f**k it up Arsenal.
My hopes and dreams for this season are well and truly in The Emirates! ;D
Liverpool a bit shit this season then again they were a bit shit in 2005 and would go on to win the Champions league.
Another defeat for neighbours Everton, Lampard running out of road.
Quote from: laoislad on January 14, 2023, 03:00:53 PM
f**king hell as bad as it would be seeing Arsenal win the league, it be 100 times worse if Man United win it. Don't f**k it up Arsenal.
Fully confident United will finish above Arsenal tbh, just think they will bottle it. City are the worry, always capable of going on a 10+ game winning streak.
The last time I looked at the bottom 3 in September, Leicester were bottom of the table. Forest and Bournemouth were riding shotgun.
3 totally different teams occupy the spaces now.
Liverpool and Chelsea the laughing stock of the Premier league. Long may it continue! ;D
What's been allowed to happen at Liverpool is criminal. One of the things that made Ferguson such a genius was his ability to build a new team before the team he had were even finished.
I know they've made numerous signings but that Liverpool team is more or less the same group of players who won the League and Champions League.
There have been areas that need refreshing that are so glaring obvious it's utterly bizarre how it's been handled.
The team is gone stale, Klopp still trying to play the same way with players who are now 4 to 5 years older.
What happened with the talk of new owners?
Quote from: OrchardOrange on January 14, 2023, 05:33:52 PM
Liverpool and Chelsea the laughing stock of the Premier league. Long may it continue! ;D
Exactly. The worst clubs with the worst fans. No class.
Quote from: jcpen on January 14, 2023, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 14, 2023, 02:09:51 PM
How can Rashford not be interfering there when he's standing over the ball and pulling the City players towards his run??
Yeah I don't get it, he literally stops the City players getting to the ball.
The problem was no city player went near him to make it so that he was interfering with play by the current rules which shows the stupidity of the rule. In order to interfere he must stop a city player from playing the ball or challenge them whilst they play it. Neither of those things happened
Quote from: David McKeown on January 14, 2023, 07:10:37 PM
Quote from: jcpen on January 14, 2023, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 14, 2023, 02:09:51 PM
How can Rashford not be interfering there when he's standing over the ball and pulling the City players towards his run??
Yeah I don't get it, he literally stops the City players getting to the ball.
The problem was no city player went near him to make it so that he was interfering with play by the current rules which shows the stupidity of the rule. In order to interfere he must stop a city player from playing the ball or challenge them whilst they play it. Neither of those things happened
Yeah, looks like it was legal as per this season's rules, but in this case the law is an ass. Rashford isn't there... everyone reacts differently. He did everything to look like he was getting on the end of it except actually touch the ball.
Some of the stuff coming out of IFAB is ludicrous.
Quote from: jcpen on January 14, 2023, 05:54:48 PM
What's been allowed to happen at Liverpool is criminal. One of the things that made Ferguson such a genius was his ability to build a new team before the team he had were even finished.
I know they've made numerous signings but that Liverpool team is more or less the same group of players who won the League and Champions League.
There have been areas that need refreshing that are so glaring obvious it's utterly bizarre how it's been handled.
The team is gone stale, Klopp still trying to play the same way with players who are now 4 to 5 years older.
What happened with the talk of new owners?
Thats the difference in a very very good manager like Klopp and a truly great one, imo.
It's a tough call but thought it was a goal myself. I don't think he interfered enough with the City players and I think they could have made a better effort getting back. Had City scored it and it was disallowed they'd be incensed. Remember City scoring a goal against Villa I think, Tyrone Mings challenged by a City player well offside and lost the ball without controlling it. City praised the referee. Thought Rashford decision was less contentious.
Anyone see Brentford Bournemouth penalty for Toney. Now that was a shocker from VAR.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2023, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: jcpen on January 14, 2023, 05:54:48 PM
What's been allowed to happen at Liverpool is criminal. One of the things that made Ferguson such a genius was his ability to build a new team before the team he had were even finished.
I know they've made numerous signings but that Liverpool team is more or less the same group of players who won the League and Champions League.
There have been areas that need refreshing that are so glaring obvious it's utterly bizarre how it's been handled.
The team is gone stale, Klopp still trying to play the same way with players who are now 4 to 5 years older.
What happened with the talk of new owners?
Thats the difference in a very very good manager like Klopp and a truly great one, imo.
Ferguson was a genius, yes, but even he had a down period in the mid-2000s and he then failed to rebuild United's midfield back to the same level after Scholes and Keane were done (hands tied like Klopp's no doubt), luckily for him at a time when there was no other consistently excellent team like you have now with City. The 90s transition was fairly seamless, but that came off the back of a never-to-be-repeated crop of youth players coming through. The margins are thin at the top.
Some here were crowing that Klopp was done in '17 and again in '21. I would expect, if he gets the support, he'll have Liverpool back in shape this time next year.
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
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Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
For Brighton's 3rd goal the co commentator acclaimed the goal but quickly remarked 'atrocious defending'. Objectively can you have both, a brilliant goal and bad defending?
I thought there was a defensive mistake which allowed the cross to come in but the Brighton player still had a lot to do in the box and managed to score with technical elegance.
I thought it was much more a brilliant goal than atrocious defending.
Can't please some people. Years ago any player on the pitch would be deemed active and therefore offside. I remember a goal in a Euros maybe 2004 where an injured player lying off to the side of the pitch was deemed offside and the goal was ruled out. Think it was for the Dutch. I could be wrong.
When they changed the rule to specify a player had to be "interfering with play" there was a bit of debate. It gives the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team and leads to more goals but it leaves a grey area in the rules. What "interfering with play" means is subjective. I didn't know the wording of the rule changed this year, probably to remove the subjective element of the grey area. It has unintended consequences like the goal today.
Anyway, great to see those city boys crying
Quote from: J70 on January 14, 2023, 08:11:15 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2023, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: jcpen on January 14, 2023, 05:54:48 PM
What's been allowed to happen at Liverpool is criminal. One of the things that made Ferguson such a genius was his ability to build a new team before the team he had were even finished.
I know they've made numerous signings but that Liverpool team is more or less the same group of players who won the League and Champions League.
There have been areas that need refreshing that are so glaring obvious it's utterly bizarre how it's been handled.
The team is gone stale, Klopp still trying to play the same way with players who are now 4 to 5 years older.
What happened with the talk of new owners?
Thats the difference in a very very good manager like Klopp and a truly great one, imo.
Ferguson was a genius, yes, but even he had a down period in the mid-2000s and he then failed to rebuild United's midfield back to the same level after Scholes and Keane were done (hands tied like Klopp's no doubt), luckily for him at a time when there was no other consistently excellent team like you have now with City. The 90s transition was fairly seamless, but that came off the back of a never-to-be-repeated crop of youth players coming through. The margins are thin at the top.
Some here were crowing that Klopp was done in '17 and again in '21. I would expect, if he gets the support, he'll have Liverpool back in shape this time next year.
but look what he did after that down period- created probably the best English team ever from 06-09 and nurtured a skinny teenager into the best player in the world.
Not sure Klopp has a rebuild in him at Liverpool tbh.
So Pep doesn't care about the league! Could be an implosion there yet. Some craic if they are dumped out early in Europe.
The odds for Arsenal and Man City are more or less the same
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league
Arsenal 5/4
Man City 13/12
. You tend to get more clutch moments as players get injured and momentum slows down. Arsenal are only 5 points ahead and it's a long way to Tipperary.
Hugo Lloris complaining to his defenders when it should have been a routine save.
Quote from: seafoid on January 15, 2023, 07:30:03 AM
The odds for Arsenal and Man City are more or less the same
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league
Arsenal 5/4
Man City 13/12
. You tend to get more clutch moments as players get injured and momentum slows down. Arsenal are only 5 points ahead and it's a long way to Tipperary.
*8 points ;)
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
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Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
No wonder Liverpool conceded 3 if Allison was up in Manchester playing for City ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 02:34:51 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
No wonder Liverpool conceded 3 if Allison was up in Manchester playing for City ;)
ha ha, very good.
Ederson still has a clean sheet then..
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I don't know what Ederson was getting set for but it sure as hell wasn't a Rashford left footed shot ;D
Yet another example of common sense not being so common.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
Yeah a goal by letter of the law but I'm a United fan and think it should be offside, rule wants fixed. Cute enough of Rashford not to touch it. Anyway we'll take it, far better team so deserved rub of the green there.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2023, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
Yeah a goal by letter of the law but I'm a United fan and think it should be offside, rule wants fixed. Cute enough of Rashford not to touch it. Anyway we'll take it, far better team so deserved rub of the green there.
They changed it to improve it recently, so change it back?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison Ederson who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I've said in the past in relation to hurling a keeper will look at the body position of the attacking player to try and work out where they're going to hit it. You can only keep an eye on the ball once it's hit and what you are alluding to is that if a ball is dropping in a hurling goalkeeper needs to follow the flight of the ball and ignore lads swinging on it.
If it's still to be hit by a player then you need to track their movements as they're baring down on goal.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison Ederson who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I've said in the past in relation to hurling a keeper will look at the body position of the attacking player to try and work out where they're going to hit it. You can only keep an eye on the ball once it's hit and what you are alluding to is that if a ball is dropping in a hurling goalkeeper needs to follow the flight of the ball and ignore lads swinging on it.
If it's still to be hit by a player then you need to track their movements as they're baring down on goal.
He did neither by the looks of it, needs more training
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison Ederson who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I've said in the past in relation to hurling a keeper will look at the body position of the attacking player to try and work out where they're going to hit it. You can only keep an eye on the ball once it's hit and what you are alluding to is that if a ball is dropping in a hurling goalkeeper needs to follow the flight of the ball and ignore lads swinging on it.
If it's still to be hit by a player then you need to track their movements as they're baring down on goal.
He did neither by the looks of it, needs more training
He set his angles based on Rashfords run rather than Fernandez's so yes, evidently a lot of premier league players need more training and education on how this change to the rules is being implemented.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison Ederson who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I've said in the past in relation to hurling a keeper will look at the body position of the attacking player to try and work out where they're going to hit it. You can only keep an eye on the ball once it's hit and what you are alluding to is that if a ball is dropping in a hurling goalkeeper needs to follow the flight of the ball and ignore lads swinging on it.
If it's still to be hit by a player then you need to track their movements as they're baring down on goal.
He did neither by the looks of it, needs more training
He set his angles based on Rashfords run rather than Fernandez's so yes, evidently a lot of premier league players need more training and education on how this change to the rules is being implemented.
I think the problem is that the offside rule seems to be very reactionary. In 2012/2013 season Johnny Evans scored an own goal against Newcastle whilst being challenged by an offside Demba Ba. The linesman flagged for offside and Mike Dean awarded the goal. The FA then came out and said Ba couldn't be interfering because he didn't touch the ball. Then a load of goals started being allowed when players were blocking goal keepers views. The IFAB didn't like that so introduced criteria for what constitutes interference when the ball is not touched. Now those criteria have become too prescriptive and will no doubt looked at again. I think the city defender is at fault if he goes towards the ball Rashford will either touch it or stop him from touching it and we aren't having this debate. The fact he doesn't do that needs questioned.
Quote from: David McKeown on January 16, 2023, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison Ederson who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I've said in the past in relation to hurling a keeper will look at the body position of the attacking player to try and work out where they're going to hit it. You can only keep an eye on the ball once it's hit and what you are alluding to is that if a ball is dropping in a hurling goalkeeper needs to follow the flight of the ball and ignore lads swinging on it.
If it's still to be hit by a player then you need to track their movements as they're baring down on goal.
He did neither by the looks of it, needs more training
He set his angles based on Rashfords run rather than Fernandez's so yes, evidently a lot of premier league players need more training and education on how this change to the rules is being implemented.
I think the problem is that the offside rule seems to be very reactionary. In 2012/2013 season Johnny Evans scored an own goal against Newcastle whilst being challenged by an offside Demba Ba. The linesman flagged for offside and Mike Dean awarded the goal. The FA then came out and said Ba couldn't be interfering because he didn't touch the ball. Then a load of goals started being allowed when players were blocking goal keepers views. The IFAB didn't like that so introduced criteria for what constitutes interference when the ball is not touched. Now those criteria have become too prescriptive and will no doubt looked at again. I think the city defender is at fault if he goes towards the ball Rashford will either touch it or stop him from touching it and we aren't having this debate. The fact he doesn't do that needs questioned.
Nail on head. People crying that the rules are too vague are the same ones crying when the rules are too complicated. The majority of criticism I've seen on this incident blame the ref when he actually implemented the rules as written.
Quote from: David McKeown on January 16, 2023, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 08:12:54 PM
In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.
But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.
And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.
—-
Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.
MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison Ederson who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.
If that's not interfering with play, then what is!
Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want
I've said in the past in relation to hurling a keeper will look at the body position of the attacking player to try and work out where they're going to hit it. You can only keep an eye on the ball once it's hit and what you are alluding to is that if a ball is dropping in a hurling goalkeeper needs to follow the flight of the ball and ignore lads swinging on it.
If it's still to be hit by a player then you need to track their movements as they're baring down on goal.
He did neither by the looks of it, needs more training
He set his angles based on Rashfords run rather than Fernandez's so yes, evidently a lot of premier league players need more training and education on how this change to the rules is being implemented.
I think the problem is that the offside rule seems to be very reactionary. In 2012/2013 season Johnny Evans scored an own goal against Newcastle whilst being challenged by an offside Demba Ba. The linesman flagged for offside and Mike Dean awarded the goal. The FA then came out and said Ba couldn't be interfering because he didn't touch the ball. Then a load of goals started being allowed when players were blocking goal keepers views. The IFAB didn't like that so introduced criteria for what constitutes interference when the ball is not touched. Now those criteria have become too prescriptive and will no doubt looked at again. I think the city defender is at fault if he goes towards the ball Rashford will either touch it or stop him from touching it and we aren't having this debate. The fact he doesn't do that needs questioned.
The City defender probably didn't do any of those things as he knew Rashford was a mile offside and was sprinting onto the through ball and in his mind interfering with play.
A lot of defenders are going to need to be re-educated on these new guidelines.
Wolves are awful. Jimenez hasn't been same player since head injury and Traore is awful. Good to see Kelliher in goal tonight. Should have a handy clean sheet tonight.
I know it's long beyond it, BUT Kane would have made much more sense for City and their style of play. There are articles popping up to point how Haaland does not suit them, despite banging in goals.
On MOTD they highlighted all his runs and the City boys never went for him!
Haaland would have ideal for United in fairness. Even now if Conte sticks around Son would be an amazing signing for the top sides.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/63881985
GOAL - MAN CITY 0-1 SPURS
GOAL - MAN CITY 0-2 SPURS
Haaland hasn't exactly made them better
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2023, 08:52:03 PM
Haaland hasn't exactly made them better
He's done what Ronaldo did to United last year. Unsettled them and took away from system and players around him.
Quote from: seafoid on January 19, 2023, 08:48:32 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/63881985
GOAL - MAN CITY 0-1 SPURS
GOAL - MAN CITY 0-2 SPURS
Opening goal was poor by Ederson. Second goal poor defending. Pep would be pulling his hair out had he hair.
I don't think Haaland was bought to make City "better" per se, so much as more varied, and more productive in tight games.
But like United with Ronaldo, I don't get impression that the rest of the squad overly happy with any tactics that see them reduced to feeding ammunition for a sniper.
Spurs are worse than Everton at the minute
Tottenham doing a Tottenham on it. Just 18 minutes into the 2nd half for Manchester City to turn it around
Quote from: thewobbler on January 19, 2023, 08:59:07 PM
I don't think Haaland was bought to make City "better" per se, so much as more varied, and more productive in tight games.
But like United with Ronaldo, I don't get impression that the rest of the squad overly happy with any tactics that see them reduced to feeding ammunition for a sniper.
I still think he'll win them the CL.
Loved that interview from Pep. He has declared war.
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 10:58:01 PM
Loved that interview from Pep. He has declared war.
Did he not give up on it last week?
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Expect them to win 15 or in a row now
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
Chelsea spending some amount of money. Imagine Newcastle were doing that right now. There'd be uproar
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 20, 2023, 10:25:50 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
I remember when they were in the old Third Division. It's not that long ago.
Chelsea were the same. An old club with success in the past who were bought by a billionaire and turned into a superpower.
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 20, 2023, 10:25:50 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
I remember when they were in the old Third Division. It's not that long ago.
Chelsea were the same. An old club with success in the past who were bought by a billionaire and turned into a superpower.
Not that long from Middlesborough tanked them something like 8-1 on last day of the season! Think it was round 07 just before the Arabs came in.
And David James was being used as an emergency striker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zePYLafB-Q
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 10:31:46 AM
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
I remember when they were in the old Third Division. It's not that long ago.
Chelsea were the same. An old club with success in the past who were bought by a billionaire and turned into a superpower.
Team moved up and down the leagues far more frequently when there was less money involved.
Villa went from 3rd division to league and European Champions inside 10 years, back down to 2nd division within another 5, and then 2nd place in division 1 three years later (1990).
I see Sky Sports are sharing more chat about Bellingham and Carragher obviously wishing he would go to Liverpool, but he would be mad to. If Liverpool bought him they would be skint and still needing two other midfielders.
City will ship out some lads soon and refresh...but Bellingham and De Bruyne with Rodri holding would take fair beating.
If he went to Real Madrid he'd line up with Tchouaméni and Camavinga. That's a set midfield for years. And the feckers will pick up Mbappe at some point too!
This transfer window is fairly quiet overall. I'd say summer will be madness though.
The clubs don't want to sell mid season anyway. Unless it Todd Boehly throwing money around. Liverpool suppose to be close to a Qatari takeover ,they will probably have some loose change.
Klopp will hardly be complaining then.
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Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
I remember when they were in the old Third Division. It's not that long ago.
Chelsea were the same. An old club with success in the past who were bought by a billionaire and turned into a superpower.
Team moved up and down the leagues far more frequently when there was less money involved.
Villa went from 3rd division to league and European Champions inside 10 years, back down to 2nd division within another 5, and then 2nd place in division 1 three years later (1990).
It all goes in circles. Soccer was one of the main beneficiaries of the economic system which is based on printing money. A bit like the landlord system. Everything goes to the top.
Soccer will be more interesting when the billionaires meet the pitchforks and the money disappears. You might see Eastern European clubs or Ajax winning the Champions League again.
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 01:38:15 PM
Quote from: shark on January 20, 2023, 12:38:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 20, 2023, 10:25:50 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
I remember when they were in the old Third Division. It's not that long ago.
Chelsea were the same. An old club with success in the past who were bought by a billionaire and turned into a superpower.
Team moved up and down the leagues far more frequently when there was less money involved.
Villa went from 3rd division to league and European Champions inside 10 years, back down to 2nd division within another 5, and then 2nd place in division 1 three years later (1990).
It all goes in circles. Soccer was one of the main beneficiaries of the economic system which is based on printing money. A bit like the landlord system. Everything goes to the top.
Soccer will be more interesting when the billionaires meet the pitchforks and the money disappears. You might see Eastern European clubs or Ajax winning the Champions League again.
whens that happening?
20-30 years is the general consensus but may be sooner
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 20, 2023, 01:15:31 PM
The clubs don't want to sell mid season anyway. Unless it Todd Boehly throwing money around. Liverpool suppose to be close to a Qatari takeover ,they will probably have some loose change.
Klopp will hardly be complaining then.
Unless something has come up today, the Qatar rumours were supposedly baseless, while FSG are said to be leaning towards selling another minority stake.
Could change obviously.
One thing for sure, investment from somewhere like Qatar would be controversial.
I was at old Trafford in 1992. There was a protest against Martin Edwards outside the ground.
The fans said he was greedy. Nobody then could have imagined the Glazers.
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Don't think he was sarcastic this week.
That was a message to the fans tonight. The next wave.
Thought he was bang on with his message to his players and fans.
He's railing against their comfortable attitude which will be their undoing players especially and home fans expecting the win, just because who they are, but with no fire or passion they'll get caught out like they have in a few games recently.
Prawn sandwich brigade
In fairness to City they have always had 35k hardcore fans, but have obviously now gained lots of hangers on and new fans spending their time taking selfies at matches
I remember when they were in the old Third Division. It's not that long ago.
Chelsea were the same. An old club with success in the past who were bought by a billionaire and turned into a superpower.
Team moved up and down the leagues far more frequently when there was less money involved.
Villa went from 3rd division to league and European Champions inside 10 years, back down to 2nd division within another 5, and then 2nd place in division 1 three years later (1990).
It all goes in circles. Soccer was one of the main beneficiaries of the economic system which is based on printing money. A bit like the landlord system. Everything goes to the top.
Soccer will be more interesting when the billionaires meet the pitchforks and the money disappears. You might see Eastern European clubs or Ajax winning the Champions League again.
whens that happening?
I've given up on soccer's bubble bursting. Every year you think the transfer fees and wages couldn't possibly get any more outlandish, and then another summer comes along.
One thing's for sure though. The English game has topped out in terms of quality it can create. Italy and Spain's leagues have been toppled, but the gap isn't getting any bigger. Instead European clubs are being propped up by the willingness of EPL teams paying £30-40m for mediocre and unproven players, who those clubs had previously picked up for buttons.
In theory it's a bubble. In reality it just keeps getting worse.
Southampton and Aston Villa taken off the field because a drone was flying overhead is that normal practice?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 21, 2023, 03:51:29 PM
Southampton and Aston Villa taken off the field because a drone was flying overhead is that normal practice?
Yes happened in a game last year. If that thing hits you in the face you'd be mangled. Have one myself and you don't want any part of you near the blades when they're going.
Evan Ferguson on the score sheet again. He is just 18 and looks like another one for Stephen Kenny to bring through to the senior team. He is badly needed given the games against France and Holland coming up.
Everton lose again.
Quote from: seafoid on January 21, 2023, 06:01:41 PM
Everton lose again.
As much as Frank isn't entirely at fault for the mess the club is in, he certainly isn't helping with the crap on the field...
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 21, 2023, 05:17:00 PM
Evan Ferguson on the score sheet again. He is just 18 and looks like another one for Stephen Kenny to bring through to the senior team. He is badly needed given the games against France and Holland coming up.
I see Trossard has left Brighton for Arsenal. It should help ensure Ferguson gets enough game time.
Man United overpaid for Antony. No pace as a winger.
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Evan Ferguson on the score sheet again. He is just 18 and looks like another one for Stephen Kenny to bring through to the senior team. He is badly needed given the games against France and Holland coming up.
I see Trossard has left Brighton for Arsenal. It should help ensure Ferguson gets enough game time.
Did you know ronaldo has left United as well?
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 22, 2023, 07:34:32 PM
Man United overpaid for Antony. No pace as a winger.
He's rubbish
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Quote from: seafoid on January 21, 2023, 06:01:41 PM
Everton lose again.
As much as Frank isn't entirely at fault for the mess the club is in, he certainly isn't helping with the crap on the field...
They can't be amongst the 3 worst teams in the division. Misery is relative.
Mitoma will be some signing for someone.
Everton sold some player for 45m. Maybe they could buy Maguire now.
Chelsea in talks with Benfica for Enzo Fernandez,a 120m bid in installments.
Fernandez only joined Benfica last July for 14million
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 30, 2023, 10:43:15 AM
Chelsea in talks with Benfica for Enzo Fernandez,a 120m bid in installments.
Fernandez only joined Benfica last July for 14million
Insanity. Chelsea are Everton on speed.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 30, 2023, 10:43:15 AM
Chelsea in talks with Benfica for Enzo Fernandez,a 120m bid in installments.
Fernandez only joined Benfica last July for 14million
Insanity. Chelsea are Everton on speed.
If they had signed him before the world cup how much would he have cost?
If there was no English clubs interested he'd be worth €20m
At some point in the next 20 years the money will be drained out of the EPL . It be very interesting.
Did anyone watch Argentina at the WC and think they had a €120m midfielder ?
Like they all played well but then how much will MacAllister go for?? He did stand out.
But that is mad money.
Matt Doherty to Atletico Madrid on loan. An interesting Irish transfer deal to say the least. More power to him. Hope it works well!
I'd be worried if I was a Chelsea fan. Spending all this money. It's not a viable financial model. In a year or two they could find themselves doing a Leeds if the owner gets fed up. This is were there should be proper safeguards but City have got away with it and looks like Chelsea will as well.
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
I'd be worried if I was a Chelsea fan. Spending all this money. It's not a viable financial model. In a year or two they could find themselves doing a Leeds if the owner gets fed up. This is were there should be proper safeguards but City have got away with it and looks like Chelsea will as well.
In fairness to Chelsea they started like this under Roman before calming down and running a (reasonably) sensible policy, made a lot of money from youth players sales in the last 10 years. Current owner seems nuts but may well calm down although it does seem strange to completely dismantle a squad that won the champions league a couple of years ago. Plus the transfer fees are off the scale.
Quote from: keep her low this half on January 31, 2023, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
I'd be worried if I was a Chelsea fan. Spending all this money. It's not a viable financial model. In a year or two they could find themselves doing a Leeds if the owner gets fed up. This is were there should be proper safeguards but City have got away with it and looks like Chelsea will as well.
In fairness to Chelsea they started like this under Roman before calming down and running a (reasonably) sensible policy, made a lot of money from youth players sales in the last 10 years. Current owner seems nuts but may well calm down although it does seem strange to completely dismantle a squad that won the champions league a couple of years ago. Plus the transfer fees are off the scale.
The spending is crazy but it is these 6,7 and 8 year contracts that I reckon is more worrying. They could end up with a squad of Winston Bogarts. High risk stuff.
The EPL or maybe UEFA have already clamped down on this loophole to the FFP. Those long contracts are simply designed to allow the buying club more time to pay the transfer fee off. More payments rather than having a huge lump sum up front.
I can never understand how these big clubs get caught up in this Transfer deadline day hype.
If you want a player why not sign him the first week of the transfer window, why leave it so late, sometimes it comes down to the last few hours. Why all the panic on the last day when you have a whole month to do business.
Quote from: jcpen on January 31, 2023, 11:54:57 AM
I can never understand how these big clubs get caught up in this Transfer deadline day hype.
If you want a player why not sign him the first week of the transfer window, why leave it so late, sometimes it comes down to the last few hours. Why all the panic on the last day when you have a whole month to do business.
I work in technology sales. Last week of the financial year is the biggest. When all parties involved in a negotiation know that there is a deadline , then there will be incentive for one side to ensure it goes to the last minute in order to draw the maximum concessions.
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
I'd be worried if I was a Chelsea fan. Spending all this money. It's not a viable financial model. In a year or two they could find themselves doing a Leeds if the owner gets fed up. This is were there should be proper safeguards but City have got away with it and looks like Chelsea will as well.
The problem that the more recently successful teams (often referred to as the big 6 😏) are having is that the premier league pie has got so big that almost every team in the division can pack their squads with top class players. Yet, there are still just 4 champions league spots. When you've built your business model on being in the champions league every year , then you've got a problem.
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: keep her low this half on January 31, 2023, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
I'd be worried if I was a Chelsea fan. Spending all this money. It's not a viable financial model. In a year or two they could find themselves doing a Leeds if the owner gets fed up. This is were there should be proper safeguards but City have got away with it and looks like Chelsea will as well.
In fairness to Chelsea they started like this under Roman before calming down and running a (reasonably) sensible policy, made a lot of money from youth players sales in the last 10 years. Current owner seems nuts but may well calm down although it does seem strange to completely dismantle a squad that won the champions league a couple of years ago. Plus the transfer fees are off the scale.
The spending is crazy but it is these 6,7 and 8 year contracts that I reckon is more worrying. They could end up with a squad of Winston Bogarts. High risk stuff.
Somebody's been regurgitating what they've heard on talksport this morning
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
Quote from: laoislad on January 31, 2023, 12:30:03 PM
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
It's only a matter of time till the woke looney left and trans eejits ask for "Women" to be playing in men's sides and "Men" who identify as "women" playing for women's sides. There are no genders or sex anymore and everyone has imagined Male and Female genitals.
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 12:53:15 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 31, 2023, 12:30:03 PM
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
It's only a matter of time till the woke looney left and trans eejits ask for "Women" to be playing in men's sides and "Men" who identify as "women" playing for women's sides. There are no genders or sex anymore and everyone has imagined Male and Female genitals.
FFS.
Crazy stuff from Chelsea, giving all these players 7 year contracts to make it work; Eventually this will catch up with them, not all these signings will work out and getting rid might not be so easy and from a financial point of view spreading the deal over 7 years makes it tougher to turn a profit if they need to sell. Clearly going to have to sell well this summer which is obvious.
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 12:53:15 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 31, 2023, 12:30:03 PM
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
It's only a matter of time till the woke looney left and trans eejits ask for "Women" to be playing in men's sides and "Men" who identify as "women" playing for women's sides. There are no genders or sex anymore and everyone has imagined Male and Female genitals.
Trans sport only works male to female, same as trans prisons. It's such nonsense
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Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2023, 12:53:15 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 31, 2023, 12:30:03 PM
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
It's only a matter of time till the woke looney left and trans eejits ask for "Women" to be playing in men's sides and "Men" who identify as "women" playing for women's sides. There are no genders or sex anymore and everyone has imagined Male and Female genitals.
Trans sport only works male to female, same as trans prisons. It's such nonsense
A load of shite that needs continually called out.
Quote from: laoislad on January 31, 2023, 12:30:03 PM
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
Any relation to Southampton and Norn Iron legend Iain?
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Quote from: laoislad on January 31, 2023, 12:30:03 PM
Don't like the way they are mixing the transfer deals for the women's game in with the men.
Flashed across the screen just there now Liverpool close to finalising deal to sign.........Natasha Dowie from Reading... ::)
Maybe she'd do a job for the mens team though?!
Any relation to Southampton and Norn Iron legend Ian?
Luckily for her she's a niece.. ;)
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Transfer window was very quiet apart from Chelsea across all the European leagues.
Mad that in this global economic downturn there's literally one club spending like f*ck.
The lower half premier league clubs did a fair bit of business
Chelsea's transfer business in this window is like fantasy football. Even Potter must be thinking what the hell is going on.
Apparently they start every transfer window now at minus 80 million with FFP so are risking that every signing is a sucess. If not will be in trouble.
Fernandez worth a 100 million less few months ago. His season stats in Portugal would suggest he should be going for the same as he was bought for. Most over-priced transfer since Dembele.
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 01, 2023, 12:13:50 AM
Chelsea's transfer business in this window is like fantasy football. Even Potter must be thinking what the hell is going on.
JAnuary window is usually a farce but transfers in general are just so ... meh. Maybe it's getting older or maybe I don't care as much , but 99% of transfers I'm like , who the hell is that?
Ah to go back to the days when Dean Saunders has signed for Villa , or Ruel Fox has left Norwixh , and John Hartson is on the move again. Players you knew , with names you could pronounce. I just can't get any connection with a team full of players from Uruguay Kazakhstan and Djibouti with unpronounceable names
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 01, 2023, 01:57:14 PM
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
Big trouble coming for Chelsea.
Quote from: trailer on February 01, 2023, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 01, 2023, 01:57:14 PM
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
Big trouble coming for Chelsea.
The reason they are signing players on these incredibly long contracts is to get past FFP rules.
It is a loophole that will be closed
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Quote from: trailer on February 01, 2023, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 01, 2023, 01:57:14 PM
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
Big trouble coming for Chelsea.
The reason they are signing players on these incredibly long contracts is to get past FFP rules.
It is a loophole that will be closed
It's not so much the FFP it's that they're gonna end up with a shit load of players with 3 or 4 years to run on their contracts in 3 years time. Quite possibly with different manager who maybe doesn't fancy them. What do they do if they can't move them on? They will have a huge squad on massive wages.
Read this yesterday...
'It's worth reminding everyone that you can only include 3 new players in your CL/EL squad for the knockout stages. So four out of Joao Felix, Mudryk, Enzo (if he signs), Madueke, Badiashile, Fofana and Santos will not be involved in Europe for Chelsea'
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 01, 2023, 01:57:14 PM
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
this is usually good. Not sure if it has been updated
https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-chelsea/startseite/verein/631/saison_id/2022
Quote from: trailer on February 01, 2023, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 01, 2023, 01:57:14 PM
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
Big trouble coming for Chelsea.
If I were Potter I'd be out of there. Absolutely bonkers.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 01, 2023, 03:32:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 01, 2023, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 01, 2023, 01:57:14 PM
Chelsea are nuts. Unless Newcastle or Man Utd implode the top 4 is probably out of their reach. Looks like they've banked on going all out for "quality", going on a run of runs and securing CL football. But looks more like they way overpaid yet again, added to an already bloated squad of high end, underperforming PL players and the whole mess will have to be refigured out by an already overwhelmed unproven manager. If I were a betting man I see points deductions and administration a few years down the line.
Any idea where you can get the new data for PL club wages. Chelsea must have blitzed everyone by now.
Big trouble coming for Chelsea.
If I were Potter I'd be out of there. Absolutely bonkers.
No chance. Stay until he's chased, he'll get millions.
He'll get a massive payout and then say that he had no control over transfers and what could he do.
All the Brit media heads will jump to his defence (He needed more time, etc) and he will get a decent job elsewhere.
Arsenal got in Trossard and Jorginho who is still useful which was tidy business.
It's going to be a great run-in to the season. Not so sure about City catching Arsenal and I think Newcastle will fall off at some point. United will hold the top 4...then after that it's hard to know.
You just can't trust so many of them week in week out.
I reckon Everton will be safe with Dyche and then he will spend money in the summer before being turfed out...
Chelsea have a bad record with big money signings, and there is a good chance a lot of those signed recently will be average at best. Its like the United signings from Fergie to Solskjaer, big names for an owner playing fantasy football. Each one of them needs the right attitude. I actually am not too worried about Chelsea on the pitch, doesn't seem to be any strategy to the signings and impossible to integrate so many at once, never mind the fact they already had a big squad.
Chelsea bought the PL before and that seems to be the plan again.
World has changed though. Or not so much the world. The PL, and the appearance of multiple oligarchs who can cancel each other out.
They seemed to have accepted this somewhat under Abramovich in recent years. But all out the window.
I hope they fail miserably and the club falls apart.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 01, 2023, 07:02:45 PM
Chelsea bought the PL before and that seems to be the plan again.
World has changed though. Or not so much the world. The PL, and the appearance of multiple oligarchs who can cancel each other out.
They seemed to have accepted this somewhat under Abramovich in recent years. But all out the window.
I hope they fail miserably and the club falls apart.
It most certainly feels very different this time. Before Ranieri built a very nice squad, but they were in the shit financially. Abramovich came in and left them debt free, added to the squad, hired Mourinho and the rest is history. But it was a vanity project for a very rich individual and he personally covered over a billion in losses made by the club over a 20 yr period.
This time it's an investment consortium. Squad build looks scattergun at best and highly irresponsible. I'm sure they're hoping to add value to the club, win things, increase revenue streams and improve the brand but it's all borrowed money and if it goes tits up they'll all run for the hills. Not one of them will be personally out of pocket.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 01, 2023, 06:46:04 PM
Chelsea have a bad record with big money signings, and there is a good chance a lot of those signed recently will be average at best. Its like the United signings from Fergie to Solskjaer, big names for an owner playing fantasy football. Each one of them needs the right attitude. I actually am not too worried about Chelsea on the pitch, doesn't seem to be any strategy to the signings and impossible to integrate so many at once, never mind the fact they already had a big squad.
They aren't even big names either, mad money for players not too many casuals would know. Potter is a decent enough manager as seen at Brighton but Chelsea is a poisoned chalice with an owner like that sticking the oar in
18 Chelsea signings and 600 million spent since Todd Boehly took charge.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 01, 2023, 10:33:04 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 01, 2023, 06:46:04 PM
Chelsea have a bad record with big money signings, and there is a good chance a lot of those signed recently will be average at best. Its like the United signings from Fergie to Solskjaer, big names for an owner playing fantasy football. Each one of them needs the right attitude. I actually am not too worried about Chelsea on the pitch, doesn't seem to be any strategy to the signings and impossible to integrate so many at once, never mind the fact they already had a big squad.
They aren't even big names either, mad money for players not too many casuals would know. Potter is a decent enough manager as seen at Brighton but Chelsea is a poisoned chalice with an owner like that sticking the oar in
Agreed. None of their signings would put fear in you if your team was facing them.
The Ukrainian kid did look sharp when he came on against Liverpool (fair enough, not currently the sternest test!).
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 02, 2023, 06:35:37 PM
18 Chelsea signings and 600 million spent since Todd Boehly took charge.
They bought Chelsea for $3.09 bn. If the club wins the Champions League the value could increase by $2bn. Billionaires couldn't care less about £600m
It's all about leverage, jersey sales and how much they can flog the club for. English soccer is rotten.
Quote from: seafoid on February 02, 2023, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 02, 2023, 06:35:37 PM
18 Chelsea signings and 600 million spent since Todd Boehly took charge.
They bought Chelsea for $3.09 bn. If the club wins the Champions League the value could increase by $2bn. Billionaires couldn't care less about £600m
It's all about leverage, jersey sales and how much they can flog the club for. English soccer is rotten.
Really? Anyway I'll think they'll crash and burn spectacularly
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/02/01/big-money-long-contracts-will-chelseas-plan-to-disrupt-transfer-market-pay-off/
Under Abramovich, Chelsea had a lot duds sitting on expensive deals. These owners want to be ruthless. Signings are on more realistic wages.
That fits with the new strategy of putting young players on long contracts. The idea is that giving Mudryk, who earns about €120,000 a week, an eight-year deal will allow them to amortise his transfer fee. Chelsea want to keep spending. Another way to make the numbers work is through the sale of academy players, which would go down as pure profit, helping the accounts.
Chelsea, who have been placed on an FFP watchlist by Uefa, are trying to be creative. Under Premier League rules, clubs can lose £118 million over a rolling three-year period. Uefa's regulations state that clubs can only lose €59 million over the same period.
The club think they have found a loophole. Uefa has responded: from this summer clubs will still be able to put players on longer deals but they will not be able to stretch the transfer fee beyond a five-year period.
Will that change Chelsea's plans? There is a reason why clubs tend not to hand out seven-year deals. It may help the accounts, but what if the player disappoints?
Potter has the look of a man that hasn't a clue what he's at. If you've spent all that money and still starting Mount and Gallagher then you know you have problems.
A good chance for the Gunners to build up the score difference.
Quote from: Ulster Frank on February 04, 2023, 12:27:21 PM
A good chance for the Gunners to build up the score difference.
Wont be easy against a Sean Dyche team
Everton playing well. Three decent chances in the first half
Quote from: seafoid on February 02, 2023, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 02, 2023, 06:35:37 PM
18 Chelsea signings and 600 million spent since Todd Boehly took charge.
They bought Chelsea for $3.09 bn. If the club wins the Champions League the value could increase by $2bn. Billionaires couldn't care less about £600m
It's all about leverage, jersey sales and how much they can flog the club for. English soccer is rotten.
A few Billionaires has taken over Premier league clubs however none of them had acted in a matter of months the way Boehly has.
Quote from: Ulster Frank on February 04, 2023, 12:27:21 PM
A good chance for the Gunners to build up the score difference.
Genius.
Think you're confusing LFC 22/23 with the team from 21/22.
Keep goin with the predictions Frank youll get there yet
On Potter he must be a total puppet if these lads are not his signings. There seems to be a lot of the same types and then you still have Gallagher and Mount.
I just don't get the Mount hype. He is a very useful player but right now he seems to drift into the attacking area and taking up others spaces.
I see some saying Kane should go there, but he would be mad to. Potter will go soon and they will continue to stockpile players.
United actually seem to be giving ETH time and he has a vision so Kane would sit well there. A lot of the big clubs look like being in flux for the next while.
Not sure about Kane. Will be 30 when season starts. He's had a great run of games injury free lately but that was not always the case with him. Whoever gets him will have to shell out big. Very risky.
Big game tomorrow between Spurs and City. City will want to capitalise and turn the screw on Arsenal. But if Newcastle win this evening, Spurs need the win to stay in the hunt for CL. It's pretty clear after this weekend there are no other teams in contention.
Big results at the bottom of the table. A lot of teams there on very thin ice. If Everton get organised plenty of time to save season.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 04, 2023, 05:18:43 PM
Big game tomorrow between Spurs and City. City will want to capitalise and turn the screw on Arsenal. But if Newcastle win this evening, Spurs need the win to stay in the hunt for CL. It's pretty clear after this weekend there are no other teams in contention.
Big results at the bottom of the table. A lot of teams there on very thin ice. If Everton get organised plenty of time to save season.
The Top 4 will stay as it is as regards what teams are in it. The positions might change but the teams in the top 4 now are the same that will be there at the end of the season.
Quote from: jcpen on February 04, 2023, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 04, 2023, 05:18:43 PM
Big game tomorrow between Spurs and City. City will want to capitalise and turn the screw on Arsenal. But if Newcastle win this evening, Spurs need the win to stay in the hunt for CL. It's pretty clear after this weekend there are no other teams in contention.
Big results at the bottom of the table. A lot of teams there on very thin ice. If Everton get organised plenty of time to save season.
The Top 4 will stay as it is as regards what teams are in it. The positions might change but the teams in the top 4 now are the same that will be there at the end of the season.
That's an interesting assessment.
Spurs who've a recent history of getting into the CL, are all over the place and yet are only 3 points behind Newcastle who are one of the few clubs in the world with a history of underachievement that matches Spurs.
United are flying but their fortunes depend on the availability of Rashford and Casemiro.
Meanwhile Brighton don't care if they're pillaged every week by the bigger clubs.
I'd expect this to go down to the final weeks.
Newcastle 1 up already which would put them 6 points ahead of Spurs should it stay like that.
The Top 4 (teams that are there now)won't be changed by the end of the season.
Everton will have help Liverpool today with that result, they could possibly get 3rd at this rate
2 points dropped by Newcastle. Nice wee set of results today. ;D
Quote from: GJL on February 04, 2023, 07:24:41 PM
2 points dropped by Newcastle. Nice wee set of results today. ;D
Title charge back on ??
Quote from: jcpen on February 04, 2023, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 04, 2023, 05:18:43 PM
Big game tomorrow between Spurs and City. City will want to capitalise and turn the screw on Arsenal. But if Newcastle win this evening, Spurs need the win to stay in the hunt for CL. It's pretty clear after this weekend there are no other teams in contention.
Big results at the bottom of the table. A lot of teams there on very thin ice. If Everton get organised plenty of time to save season.
The Top 4 will stay as it is as regards what teams are in it. The positions might change but the teams in the top 4 now are the same that will be there at the end of the season.
Nonsense. April is Becher's Brook for the EPL
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 04, 2023, 07:33:20 PM
Quote from: GJL on February 04, 2023, 07:24:41 PM
2 points dropped by Newcastle. Nice wee set of results today. ;D
Title charge back on ??
Not sure it ever was. Top 4 the target.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 04, 2023, 04:12:17 PM
On Potter he must be a total puppet if these lads are not his signings. There seems to be a lot of the same types and then you still have Gallagher and Mount.
I just don't get the Mount hype. He is a very useful player but right now he seems to drift into the attacking area and taking up others spaces.
I see some saying Kane should go there, but he would be mad to. Potter will go soon and they will continue to stockpile players.
United actually seem to be giving ETH time and he has a vision so Kane would sit well there. A lot of the big clubs look like being in flux for the next while.
Mount and Gallagher are English. Hence all the hype.
That was a massive win for Forest today.
It's been a massive 2023 in general for Forest. Unbeaten in the league, 11 points from 15. Some daylight between them now and the drop zone. Leeds will be feeling the pressure.
Huge result for Spurs. Next game huge for the gunners, important they win before hosting City in 10 days. Starting to feel that the blue juggernaut everyone was predicting to take off might actually be running on dirty diesel. Was expecting another 90+ points season but think 86 points will be enough to clinch the title.
Utds to lose at this point ;D
Though with city and Arsenal losing that'll help bring Liverpool closer to top 4
Thank you Spursy.
Poor old Harry gets a bunch of flowers for breaking a record. Maybe he'll go somewhere he can win silverware at the end of the season now that monkey is off his back
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on February 06, 2023, 06:18:15 AM
Thank you Spursy.
Poor old Harry gets a bunch of flowers for breaking a record. Maybe he'll go somewhere he can win silverware at the end of the season now that monkey is off his back
Bayern Munich
He'll not go abroad, at least not until he's got 261 PL goals.
He'll not go to Chelsea or Arsenal out of loyalty to Spurs fans. He'll not go to Liverpool when they're imploding. He'll not go to Man City if Haaland is there as he'll never willingly step out of 1/3rd of games. So that leaves United, and for that to be considered, United would have to prove that he'd have
a better chance of winning trophies there than at Spurs. Which oddly enough is more dependent on what City, Chelsea and Newcastle do, than what United do.
Is the Geordies an option for Arry?
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2023, 09:27:35 AM
Is the Geordies an option for Arry?
Can't see it. Even if everything locks into place quickly, it'd be 3 years still before anyone could regard and trust them as a guaranteed-trophy club.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 06, 2023, 09:31:49 AM
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2023, 09:27:35 AM
Is the Geordies an option for Arry?
Can't see it. Even if everything locks into place quickly, it'd be 3 years still before anyone could regard and trust them as a guaranteed-trophy club.
They would have a better chance than Spurs in the next 3 years
Well... That's city up shit creek, hopefully they can get the charges to stick
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2023, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 06, 2023, 09:31:49 AM
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2023, 09:27:35 AM
Is the Geordies an option for Arry?
Can't see it. Even if everything locks into place quickly, it'd be 3 years still before anyone could regard and trust them as a guaranteed-trophy club.
They would have a better chance than Spurs in the next 3 years
I don't know why. Howe has clearly stabilised the club and made them difficult to beat. But is he going to attract the star power to Newcastle that puts them into contention for every trophy?
Don't see it myself. Maybe if this was 25 years ago and there wasn't already a Chelsea and a City trying to do the same. But now now .
And the small chance of it happening isn't going to be enough to tempt Kane to leave his boyhood club where he's worshipped and move his family 300 miles north.
Liverpool and United about to get a bagful of titles between them.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2023, 12:12:27 PM
Liverpool and United about to get a bagful of titles between them.
Why Liverpool?
If Newcastle had a Messi type character that became Manager. That would attract players. Chelsea got the Ball rolling with Gullit and Vialli. After that it was a series of Highly rated disposable Managers.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2023, 12:12:27 PM
Liverpool and United about to get a bagful of titles between them.
Why Liverpool?
They've finished 2nd so many times behind City that's why?
Think I read its 09-18, so its 1 I think. 2019 and 2022 outside the scope of the allegations.
I'll take it!
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 06, 2023, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2023, 12:12:27 PM
Liverpool and United about to get a bagful of titles between them.
Why Liverpool?
They've finished 2nd so many times behind City that's why?
Oh is there talk of titles being stripped off them??
I read that post as meaning winning future ones, apologies!
Has there ever been a team properly sanctioned on FFP rules? Chelsea? Were they banned from signing players? Apart from that I can't think of any team facing any meaningful sanctions. Didn't City even get the UEFA sanctions overturned against them?
Quote from: trailer on February 06, 2023, 12:46:15 PM
Has there ever been a team properly sanctioned on FFP rules? Chelsea? Were they banned from signing players? Apart from that I can't think of any team facing any meaningful sanctions. Didn't City even get the UEFA sanctions overturned against them?
They had their fine reduced to 10m and had the European ban lifted as the offences were years ago.
Can't use that argument this time as there is no time limit to PL offences!
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 12:39:48 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 06, 2023, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2023, 12:12:27 PM
Liverpool and United about to get a bagful of titles between them.
Why Liverpool?
They've finished 2nd so many times behind City that's why?
Oh is there talk of titles being stripped off them??
I read that post as meaning winning future ones, apologies!
Even at that you only managed to question Liverpool winning future titles here and not United?😂
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2023, 12:34:27 PM
Think I read its 09-18, so its 1 I think. 2019 and 2022 outside the scope of the allegations.
I'll take it!
They didn't cooperate with the investigation for years 2018 -2022 so there's scope they could be looked at also
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 06, 2023, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 12:39:48 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 06, 2023, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2023, 12:12:27 PM
Liverpool and United about to get a bagful of titles between them.
Why Liverpool?
They've finished 2nd so many times behind City that's why?
Oh is there talk of titles being stripped off them??
I read that post as meaning winning future ones, apologies!
Even at that you only managed to question Liverpool winning future titles here and not United?😂
Liverpool are done, United are on the rise ;)
Manchester City are cheating bastards who would have guessed?? Likelihood of them getting stripped of their titles is slim as they'll buy that out..
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2023, 02:07:44 PM
Manchester City are cheating bastards who would have guessed?? Likelihood of them getting stripped of their titles is slim as they'll buy that out..
And yet it didn't seem to bother almost every Man United fan that City were/are cheating bastards as most of them wanted them to beat Liverpool in the Premier League title races the last few seasons.
It will be a fine and nothing more.
City are not alone here either
Simon Jordan and co discussing it on Talksport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz_AS2IPlPw
Just look a Juve and the mess unfolding there about the pricing of players and this being agreed between clubs to boost the value of clubs etc
It's a house of cards the whole lot.
Quote from: NAG1 on February 06, 2023, 02:38:15 PM
Just look a Juve and the mess unfolding there about the pricing of players and this being agreed between clubs to boost the value of clubs etc
It's a house of cards the whole lot.
City have done a few deals with Juventus too.. One stands out is that Danilo for Cancelo deal, always seemed fishy from the off. Barca are in line for being looked at next as it's well known the Arthur/Panjic deal was crooked too
Quote from: laoislad on February 06, 2023, 02:15:14 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2023, 02:07:44 PM
Manchester City are cheating bastards who would have guessed?? Likelihood of them getting stripped of their titles is slim as they'll buy that out..
And yet it didn't seem to bother almost every Man United fan that City were/are cheating bastards as most of them wanted them to beat Liverpool in the Premier League title races the last few seasons.
Liverpool and Manchester United is an actual rivalry with history and tradition, supporters want the most success for who they follow and none for the rival. Manchester City are soulless club that few care about, media then trying to build up fake rivals. True form would be struggling to be a Premier league club and i doubt if Pep Guardiola even knew much about Manchester City when he was managing Barcelona.
Interesting that Man Utd's run ended around the same time that Tottenham found their mojo again. Top 4 will probably go to the last day.
Newcastle will also get a dose of the yips at some stage
Quote from: laoislad on February 06, 2023, 02:15:14 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2023, 02:07:44 PM
Manchester City are cheating bastards who would have guessed?? Likelihood of them getting stripped of their titles is slim as they'll buy that out..
And yet it didn't seem to bother almost every Man United fan that City were/are cheating bastards as most of them wanted them to beat Liverpool in the Premier League title races the last few seasons.
As would liverpool fans had it been other way around. Its called rivalry.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2023, 03:00:43 PM
Quote from: laoislad on February 06, 2023, 02:15:14 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2023, 02:07:44 PM
Manchester City are cheating bastards who would have guessed?? Likelihood of them getting stripped of their titles is slim as they'll buy that out..
And yet it didn't seem to bother almost every Man United fan that City were/are cheating bastards as most of them wanted them to beat Liverpool in the Premier League title races the last few seasons.
Liverpool and Manchester United is an actual rivalry with history and tradition, supporters want the most success for who they follow and none for the rival. Manchester City are soulless club that few care about, media then trying to build up fake rivals. True form would be struggling to be a Premier league club and i doubt if Pep Guardiola even knew much about Manchester City when he was managing Barcelona.
Apart from when he'd a trial with City as a player
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
This is a super analysis of how to punish Man City for rule breaches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXosohRY0Zs&t=4880s
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 09:50:46 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
Arsenal a bigger club then City and a larger global fanbase made £141m in commercial revenue in the last set of accounts whilst City made £309m in the same department, Chelsea's was at £153m. Doesn't look or sound right does it!!
Their still at it and only for this they wouldn't be challenging for trophies, we could debate all day whether the rules should be in place but they are and clubs are supposed to abide with it. Not sure at what stage their owners get sick of it, must be down 2 billion since the takeover in 2008.
I'm sure some will say the club is worth billions but its clearly not without their inflated commercial revenue and the obvious knock on affects from reduced revenue.
Guardiola odds on to leave Man City in the summer
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 07, 2023, 01:14:28 PM
Guardiola odds on to leave Man City in the summer
Few of their stars would follow him out the door you'd imagine.
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
Champions League
https://salarysport.com/football/premier-league/liverpool-f.c./
Non champions League
https://salarysport.com/football/premier-league/newcastle-united-f.c./
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I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 09:50:46 AM
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Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
All of the top clubs are playthings of billionaires . It's exactly the same as horse racing. The rich earn most of the rewards.
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Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Oh God that's arrogant. Sunderland with 6 league titles? What were Utd before they changed the cooperate side of things and blew everyone away with their money. Finances were only a problem when oil money came into the game. So what, clubs are not in need of protection if a rich benefactor is willing to personally write it all off. Top 4 never had a problem when they thought top 4 was set in stone and the ladder pulled up.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Oh God that's arrogant. Sunderland with 6 league titles? What were Utd before they changed the cooperate side of things and blew everyone away with their money. Finances were only a problem when oil money came into the game. So what, clubs are not in need of protection if a rich benefactor is willing to personally write it all off. Top 4 never had a problem when they thought top 4 was set in stone and the ladder pulled up.
Yeah, their money earned from being yhe best team in the land, not from some Russian or Arab crook buying yhe club as a toy.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2023, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Oh God that's arrogant. Sunderland with 6 league titles? What were Utd before they changed the cooperate side of things and blew everyone away with their money. Finances were only a problem when oil money came into the game. So what, clubs are not in need of protection if a rich benefactor is willing to personally write it all off. Top 4 never had a problem when they thought top 4 was set in stone and the ladder pulled up.
Yeah, their money earned from being yhe best team in the land, not from some Russian or Arab crook buying yhe club as a toy.
They were the benefactors of circumstance, being the best team in the land at the advent of the PL era and the large increase in revenues from TV money and commercial opportunities in Asia. Fair play to them and they made hay and essentially made these avenues a closed shop.
City and Chelsea got creative and found "other ways", meeted and greeted and wooed and secured revenues elsewhere. So who's to say it's not "their money". Who's to say it's less noble than selling shirts in China. Up until last year Chelsea have had great successes, great investments in the infrastructure and facilities all debt free. City likewise, new stadium, top of the range facilities, I'm sure there's plenty of debt on the books but that's an inhouse thing and doubt they're paying any real interest on it.
Utd are up to their eyeballs despite their revenues plus the place is crumbling down around them if you listen to the experts. So who's the fools.
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Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Oh God that's arrogant. Sunderland with 6 league titles? What were Utd before they changed the cooperate side of things and blew everyone away with their money. Finances were only a problem when oil money came into the game. So what, clubs are not in need of protection if a rich benefactor is willing to personally write it all off. Top 4 never had a problem when they thought top 4 was set in stone and the ladder pulled up.
Yeah, their money earned from being yhe best team in the land, not from some Russian or Arab crook buying yhe club as a toy.
They were the benefactors of circumstance, being the best team in the land at the advent of the PL era and the large increase in revenues from TV money and commercial opportunities in Asia. Fair play to them and they made hay and essentially made these avenues a closed shop.
City and Chelsea got creative and found "other ways", meeted and greeted and wooed and secured revenues elsewhere. So who's to say it's not "their money". Who's to say it's less noble than selling shirts in China. Up until last year Chelsea have had great successes, great investments in the infrastructure and facilities all debt free. City likewise, new stadium, top of the range facilities, I'm sure there's plenty of debt on the books but that's an inhouse thing and doubt they're paying any real interest on it.
Utd are up to their eyeballs despite their revenues plus the place is crumbling down around them if you listen to the experts. So who's the fools.
Haaland's wages are being paid off the back of some poor Indian slave.
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 04:06:19 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 03:32:09 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2023, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Oh God that's arrogant. Sunderland with 6 league titles? What were Utd before they changed the cooperate side of things and blew everyone away with their money. Finances were only a problem when oil money came into the game. So what, clubs are not in need of protection if a rich benefactor is willing to personally write it all off. Top 4 never had a problem when they thought top 4 was set in stone and the ladder pulled up.
Yeah, their money earned from being yhe best team in the land, not from some Russian or Arab crook buying yhe club as a toy.
They were the benefactors of circumstance, being the best team in the land at the advent of the PL era and the large increase in revenues from TV money and commercial opportunities in Asia. Fair play to them and they made hay and essentially made these avenues a closed shop.
City and Chelsea got creative and found "other ways", meeted and greeted and wooed and secured revenues elsewhere. So who's to say it's not "their money". Who's to say it's less noble than selling shirts in China. Up until last year Chelsea have had great successes, great investments in the infrastructure and facilities all debt free. City likewise, new stadium, top of the range facilities, I'm sure there's plenty of debt on the books but that's an inhouse thing and doubt they're paying any real interest on it.
Utd are up to their eyeballs despite their revenues plus the place is crumbling down around them if you listen to the experts. So who's the fools.
Haaland's wages are being paid off the back of some poor Indian slave.
Get your point but it'd probably be more accurate to say his wages are being paid by poor fools like me and you getting ripped off every time we go to fill up our cars.
The poor Indian slaves are more likely to be exploited by the likes of Addidas and Nike, who account for a huge portion of the wages of
ALL the players in the PL.
Which kind of brings me back to my original points. It's a bit late in the day to be only becoming outraged because of the emergence of City.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2023, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2023, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
I've enjoyed City's emergence. I think FFP rules are good in the sense of stopping clubs going nuts and going bust writing off mountains of debt, but if some rich individual wants to buy a club and waste millions/billions of their personal fortune, knock yourself out.
We all know PL is big business and the financial side of things and mismanagement of clubs will always be talking points. And by clubs we're literally talking international corporations here. But end of the day, reason why we watch is because it's a game, sport, and the teams that do well are the ones that attract top players and get a manager in to get the best out of them. From that perspective City have been the best the last decade and I find it amusing they have put so many noses out of joint. Trying to imply that their successes are missing some sort of integrity. That's a laugh, integrity or loyalty do not exist in the game. English football sold out a very long time ago.
But they are just Sunderland with oil money. Yeah sure they have been the best but lets call a spade a spade, no one is signing for city in 2003. The idea that their revenues can equal Utd's or Madrid's is for the birds. The rules are there to protect clubs from themselves. If they have broken them, then they have to face the consequences.
Oh God that's arrogant. Sunderland with 6 league titles? What were Utd before they changed the cooperate side of things and blew everyone away with their money. Finances were only a problem when oil money came into the game. So what, clubs are not in need of protection if a rich benefactor is willing to personally write it all off. Top 4 never had a problem when they thought top 4 was set in stone and the ladder pulled up.
Yeah, their money earned from being yhe best team in the land, not from some Russian or Arab crook buying yhe club as a toy.
The nobility of the debt the Glazers used to buy Man Utd. The Glazers were a mining family from Sunderland and only paid themselves £100 a week, compared to what is going on at Man City.
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Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
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Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 09:50:46 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
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Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 02:51:35 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 09:50:46 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
He made a point that was pretty obvious . I concur, no imagining about it.
Liverpool won 1 league title in 30 years. You could deduce from that they were only a force for one year in that period but you'd be wrong. Same way you're wrong suggesting City were never a force, pre or post 1950. To suggest otherwise is completely ignorant of facts.
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 11:15:18 AM
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 07, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
He made a point that was pretty obvious . I concur, no imagining about it.
Liverpool won 1 league title in 30 years. You could deduce from that they were only a force for one year in that period but you'd be wrong. Same way you're wrong suggesting City were never a force, pre or post 1950. To suggest otherwise is completely ignorant of facts.
Well it wasn't, that's why it was questioned as the facts proved otherwise.
Yes correct, you would be wrong if you deduced that, because they won several other major honours in that time frame whilst still carrying the stature of being a big club.
Citeh on the other hand haven't been a force since oil money, because they won next to nothing in their entire history before it, simple really.
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Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
He made a point that was pretty obvious . I concur, no imagining about it.
Liverpool won 1 league title in 30 years. You could deduce from that they were only a force for one year in that period but you'd be wrong. Same way you're wrong suggesting City were never a force, pre or post 1950. To suggest otherwise is completely ignorant of facts.
Well it wasn't, that's why it was questioned as the facts proved otherwise.
Yes correct, you would be wrong if you deduced that, because they won several other major honours in that time frame whilst still carrying the stature of being a big club.
Citeh on the other hand haven't been a force since oil money, because they won next to nothing in their entire history before it, simple really.
Jesus you're tedious. Counting only top flight league and major cup competitions, domestic or European, City have featured, either winner or runners up 18 times pre oil money.
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Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
He made a point that was pretty obvious . I concur, no imagining about it.
Liverpool won 1 league title in 30 years. You could deduce from that they were only a force for one year in that period but you'd be wrong. Same way you're wrong suggesting City were never a force, pre or post 1950. To suggest otherwise is completely ignorant of facts.
Well it wasn't, that's why it was questioned as the facts proved otherwise.
Yes correct ;D, you would be wrong if you deduced that, because they won several other major honours in that time frame whilst still carrying the stature of being a big club.
Citeh on the other hand haven't been a force since oil money, because they won next to nothing in their entire history before it, simple really.
Jesus you're tedious. Counting only top flight league and major cup competitions, domestic or European, City have featured, either winner or runners up 18 times pre oil money.
Not quite, nobody cares about runners up by the way so not sure why you've counted that.
2 leagues, 4 fa cups and 2 league cups in their entire history pre oil money. 8 major trophies in about 115 years ;D
And before you mention it, because I know it's coming, the cup winners cup is not a major. Feyenoord won Big Ears that year, not Citeh.
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Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
He made a point that was pretty obvious . I concur, no imagining about it.
Liverpool won 1 league title in 30 years. You could deduce from that they were only a force for one year in that period but you'd be wrong. Same way you're wrong suggesting City were never a force, pre or post 1950. To suggest otherwise is completely ignorant of facts.
Well it wasn't, that's why it was questioned as the facts proved otherwise.
Yes correct ;D, you would be wrong if you deduced that, because they won several other major honours in that time frame whilst still carrying the stature of being a big club.
Citeh on the other hand haven't been a force since oil money, because they won next to nothing in their entire history before it, simple really.
Jesus you're tedious. Counting only top flight league and major cup competitions, domestic or European, City have featured, either winner or runners up 18 times pre oil money.
Not quite, nobody cares about runners up by the way so not sure why you've counted that.
2 leagues, 4 fa cups and 2 league cups in their entire history pre oil money. 8 major trophies in about 115 years ;D
And before you mention it, because I know it's coming, the cup winners cup is not a major. Feyenoord won Big Ears that year, not Citeh.
Cup winners cup certainly is and at least you're acknowledging facts now, not the imagined 5 trophies you previously quoted.
Runners up is certainly relevant, winning leagues and coming 2nd shows that you are a force in your competition and one of the bigger players.
Sure hasn't this Liverpool team been lauded as the greatest PL team of all time by many despite their 1 trophy. Seems runners up carries more weight for some more than others. Maybe it was the fact they ran City so close.
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Liverpool have only been a force since Bill Shankly took over in the late 50s.
The idea that only Man Utd vs Liverpool is a genuine rivalry is wrong.
Not quite, 5 league titles (and 3 2nd divisions) before the 50s . Nice try though
In 1950 there weren't 2 teams far ahead on the title list.
Liverpool and Everton had 5
Arsenal, Villa and Sunderland had 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions#Total_titles_won
Liverpool were part of the pack. Until Shankly changed everything
They were a force before 1950 as number of titles shows, and post 1950 too, as number of titles shows.
Not sure what your underlying point is here but whatever it is, it's not holding up.
As were City a force pre 50's and post as their numerous titles show in league and cup (pre 2010s), including at European level, plus several runners up seasons. Pre 50's too Utd won about 2 leagues? Fergie and Busby era's are the anomalies if you want to be technical about it accounting for all but 2 of their leagues?
I'd imagine that's his point which was in reply to someone saying City was a soul less club lacking tradition or history and Utd-Liverpool could only be classed as a proper rivalry.
Citeh were never a force before oil money.
Yea I'm sure he doesn't need you answering for him, if he wanted to respond he would.
But city are a soulless club lacking a proper history and Liverpool-United is a proper rivalry.
The history books say otherwise and I'll reply to whatever posts I like thanks.
So Manchester derby stopped being a derby when the tankings were reversed and titles started going to blue side again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :). Suppose football only started in 92 ::)
Well they don't, they won about 5 trophies before oil money ;D
I never said you couldn't, but you don't speak for anyone else so you can "imagine" whatever you think his point is all you like. I'll resume that conversation with him if he cares enough to respond.
As for football starting in 92, no it didn't, we were the most successful club in the country before then too, nice try though ;D
He made a point that was pretty obvious . I concur, no imagining about it.
Liverpool won 1 league title in 30 years. You could deduce from that they were only a force for one year in that period but you'd be wrong. Same way you're wrong suggesting City were never a force, pre or post 1950. To suggest otherwise is completely ignorant of facts.
Well it wasn't, that's why it was questioned as the facts proved otherwise.
Yes correct ;D, you would be wrong if you deduced that, because they won several other major honours in that time frame whilst still carrying the stature of being a big club.
Citeh on the other hand haven't been a force since oil money, because they won next to nothing in their entire history before it, simple really.
Jesus you're tedious. Counting only top flight league and major cup competitions, domestic or European, City have featured, either winner or runners up 18 times pre oil money.
Not quite, nobody cares about runners up by the way so not sure why you've counted that.
2 leagues, 4 fa cups and 2 league cups in their entire history pre oil money. 8 major trophies in about 115 years ;D
And before you mention it, because I know it's coming, the cup winners cup is not a major. Feyenoord won Big Ears that year, not Citeh.
Cup winners cup certainly is and at least you're acknowledging facts now, not the imagined 5 trophies you previously quoted.
Runners up is certainly relevant, winning leagues and coming 2nd shows that you are a force in your competition and one of the bigger players.
Sure hasn't this Liverpool team been lauded as the greatest PL team of all time by many despite their 1 trophy. Seems runners up carries more weight for some more than others. Maybe it was the fact they ran City so close.
No it isn't. It was the equivalent of 3rd tier football for teams that won domestic cup competitions to give them a taste of European football, and has been since discontinued so it's not even close to being a major. I also said "about 5 trophies".
Big clubs don't count runner up, let's deal in the facts, 8 majors pre oil money is laughable and backs up my point.
No I'd say it's more the fact they won the league by the biggest points margin and at the earliest point in the season, that's probably why.
A great man once said 'If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing.'
This is starting to turn into a he said she said which I'm sure no other posters are interested in.
Think City hold the record for points tally, both at the halfway and end point and winning margin too.
But I digress, City are a club rich in history, tradition and success all which predate the oil era. There is nothing you can say to change my opinion on that and it appears nothing I can say to you will make you acknowledge. So we'll leave it at that.
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A great man once said 'If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing.'
Grand when you're looking down on everyone but doubt his club would subscribe to that philosophy at present. Pep probably the only one could come out with that now with a straight face.
They don't hold the record for points margin as I said, Liverpool do, they were crowned champions when 23 points clear after city dropped points to Chelsea, that's neither here nor there though, we know Liverpool are a big club.
No bother, I will digress by saying a club with 8 major trophies in 115 years pre oil era is pretty embarrassing and plastic, and there's nothing you can say that will make me change my opinion on that.
Have a good evening👍🏼
Never said Manchester United v Liverpool was the only one but its a proper rivalry and goes back to when the latter was called Newton Heath and arguments over the ship canal trade between the two cites.
Manchester City was a middle of the road club in decades before becoming Oil Rich and even found themselves in league one. They had some success many decades previously however the club lost its soul and their success has been hollow under this ownership.
The media especially SKY Sports with their manufactured rivalry with Liverpool was a joke. Leicester City league success in 2016 and Arsenal if they do go on to win it this year will bring a lot more neutral interest than what Manchester City have brought the last 10 years.
Losing the soul part is a bit much. They have just as much hard core support as anyone.
Having weekenders fill your stadium doesn't quantify soul. Someone here ran down Sunderland as one of these tin pot clubs. In L1 they brought >30k support to every game, 45k to playoffs, 75k to Wembley. They now bring >40k to championship matches. That's not Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, Irish, Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc on a jolly, that's Mackems!
Utd got a march on a lot of clubs in the 90's with their stadium expansion and new revenue streams. Liverpool tried similar but couldn't with Anfield. But by f**k it wasn't from want of trying or more to the point f***ing over lifetime residents living around the stadium. But at least they got to keep their soul eh.
The idea that Liverpool and Man Utd still have soul while Man City don't is bollocks. The clubs were bought by venal billionaires, same as the rest in the top 6 and the Champions League and are run for their amusement. The only thing that matters is money. Even darts sold out to the money men. It's all the same.
Fans are plámásed every weekend. It won't last forever.
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A great man once said 'If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing.'
That's all well and good but what about 'First the worst, second the best, and 3rd the one with the hairy chest'?
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The idea that Liverpool and Man Utd still have soul while Man City don't is bollocks. The clubs were bought by venal billionaires, same as the rest in the top 6 and the Champions League and are run for their amusement. The only thing that matters is money. Even darts sold out to the money men. It's all the same.
Fans are plámásed every weekend. It won't last forever.
I agree wholeheartedly. Much as I dislike them, the emergence of Chelsea then City were integral reasons for the PL''s "product" surpassing the other main European leagues. Had it not been for them, the grotty greed of football would have manifested just as distastefully but among fewer clubs.
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That said, without a wage cap ever likely to pass, PL soccer does need mechanisms to at least create the illusion that it's possible for an ambitious, well-run club to incrementally improve into becoming a challenger, and one that isn't at the mercy of sports washing.
Financial penalties mean nothing, so the best solution is to make the punishment for cooking books, an actual deterrent. City should be ejected from all cup competitions now, and relegated to league 2, with Chelsea likely to follow. Yes they'd rise back to the top flight in 3 seasons. But it could be over a decade of squad and reputation building before they get close to the perch they're currently on. That's a proper deterrent.
The ref in the Sheff Utd v Wrexham game must be getting something from Ryan Reynolds
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The idea that Liverpool and Man Utd still have soul while Man City don't is bollocks. The clubs were bought by venal billionaires, same as the rest in the top 6 and the Champions League and are run for their amusement. The only thing that matters is money. Even darts sold out to the money men. It's all the same.
Fans are plámásed every weekend. It won't last forever.
I agree wholeheartedly. Much as I dislike them, the emergence of Chelsea then City were integral reasons for the PL''s "product" surpassing the other main European leagues. Had it not been for them, the grotty greed of football would have manifested just as distastefully but among fewer clubs.
—-
That said, without a wage cap ever likely to pass, PL soccer does need mechanisms to at least create the illusion that it's possible for an ambitious, well-run club to incrementally improve into becoming a challenger, and one that isn't at the mercy of sports washing.
Financial penalties mean nothing, so the best solution is to make the punishment for cooking books, an actual deterrent. City should be ejected from all cup competitions now, and relegated to league 2, with Chelsea likely to follow. Yes they'd rise back to the top flight in 3 seasons. But it could be over a decade of squad and reputation building before they get close to the perch they're currently on. That's a proper deterrent.
Fenway own Liverpool and a few teams in the US where there are salary caps AFAIK. Billionaires don't appear to mind proper competition. It wouldn't change the gross cashflows. You can see how unequal spending on player salaries is in the EPL here
https://salarysport.com/football/#premier-league
It's most likely that the whole edifice will have to collapse before there is any meaningful change. The EPL is a Ponzi scheme.
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The idea that Liverpool and Man Utd still have soul while Man City don't is bollocks. The clubs were bought by venal billionaires, same as the rest in the top 6 and the Champions League and are run for their amusement. The only thing that matters is money. Even darts sold out to the money men. It's all the same.
Fans are plámásed every weekend. It won't last forever.
I agree wholeheartedly. Much as I dislike them, the emergence of Chelsea then City were integral reasons for the PL''s "product" surpassing the other main European leagues. Had it not been for them, the grotty greed of football would have manifested just as distastefully but among fewer clubs.
—-
That said, without a wage cap ever likely to pass, PL soccer does need mechanisms to at least create the illusion that it's possible for an ambitious, well-run club to incrementally improve into becoming a challenger, and one that isn't at the mercy of sports washing.
Financial penalties mean nothing, so the best solution is to make the punishment for cooking books, an actual deterrent. City should be ejected from all cup competitions now, and relegated to league 2, with Chelsea likely to follow. Yes they'd rise back to the top flight in 3 seasons. But it could be over a decade of squad and reputation building before they get close to the perch they're currently on. That's a proper deterrent.
Would the owners be bother with building from league 2? Surely they'd just go and buy an Everton/Villa/Leeds level club?
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The idea that Liverpool and Man Utd still have soul while Man City don't is bollocks. The clubs were bought by venal billionaires, same as the rest in the top 6 and the Champions League and are run for their amusement. The only thing that matters is money. Even darts sold out to the money men. It's all the same.
Fans are plámásed every weekend. It won't last forever.
I agree wholeheartedly. Much as I dislike them, the emergence of Chelsea then City were integral reasons for the PL''s "product" surpassing the other main European leagues. Had it not been for them, the grotty greed of football would have manifested just as distastefully but among fewer clubs.
—-
That said, without a wage cap ever likely to pass, PL soccer does need mechanisms to at least create the illusion that it's possible for an ambitious, well-run club to incrementally improve into becoming a challenger, and one that isn't at the mercy of sports washing.
Financial penalties mean nothing, so the best solution is to make the punishment for cooking books, an actual deterrent. City should be ejected from all cup competitions now, and relegated to league 2, with Chelsea likely to follow. Yes they'd rise back to the top flight in 3 seasons. But it could be over a decade of squad and reputation building before they get close to the perch they're currently on. That's a proper deterrent.
Would the owners be bother with building from league 2? Surely they'd just go and buy an Everton/Villa/Leeds level club?
But to do what? Should they spend roughly within those club's means, and there's no quick fix. Spend beyond their means and the the slippery slope appears again. Not sure how this scenario this would entice anyone.
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Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2023, 07:45:15 PM
The idea that Liverpool and Man Utd still have soul while Man City don't is bollocks. The clubs were bought by venal billionaires, same as the rest in the top 6 and the Champions League and are run for their amusement. The only thing that matters is money. Even darts sold out to the money men. It's all the same.
Fans are plámásed every weekend. It won't last forever.
I agree wholeheartedly. Much as I dislike them, the emergence of Chelsea then City were integral reasons for the PL''s "product" surpassing the other main European leagues. Had it not been for them, the grotty greed of football would have manifested just as distastefully but among fewer clubs.
—-
That said, without a wage cap ever likely to pass, PL soccer does need mechanisms to at least create the illusion that it's possible for an ambitious, well-run club to incrementally improve into becoming a challenger, and one that isn't at the mercy of sports washing.
Financial penalties mean nothing, so the best solution is to make the punishment for cooking books, an actual deterrent. City should be ejected from all cup competitions now, and relegated to league 2, with Chelsea likely to follow. Yes they'd rise back to the top flight in 3 seasons. But it could be over a decade of squad and reputation building before they get close to the perch they're currently on. That's a proper deterrent.
Leicester won a league but didn't kick on because it's impossible. It requires changing the whole wage structure of the club in order to hold onto players and stop the big boys from pillaging your squad. Try to compete without a BIG sugar daddy you go broke, simples.
If FFP was implemented as some would like, there would be even more of a monopoly. I don't mind the way it is, at least it gets mixed up a bit and less boring. And "smaller" clubs have a better chance this way, by attracting said sugar daddy.
TBH in a way the European Super league might have been better to happen- for everyone else at least. It would have shown up the big boys for what they are and could have turned sour eventually.
Domestic leagues would have continued as they are on a more level and sensible footing. If the other thing did go tits up would have been some craic to see them skulking home trying to get back in again.
So it's like ... nope, all above board here. Oh wait, 115 dodgy cases. How'd we miss those?
It's a bit like when saville died. Nobody seen or heard nothing for 50 years . Then...oh look, 3000 allegations down the back of the filing cabinet
Makes you wonder what's going on behind the curtains, and not just City's curtains
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2023, 11:32:17 PM
TBH in a way the European Super league might have been better to happen- for everyone else at least. It would have shown up the big boys for what they are and could have turned sour eventually.
Domestic leagues would have continued as they are on a more level and sensible footing. If the other thing did go tits up would have been some craic to see them skulking home trying to get back in again.
Sure the Premier League is becoming the Super League. Look at the money Nottingham Forest spent when they got Promoted. Celtic and Ranges couldn't even compete with teams at the bottom end of the Premier League for players.
Chelsea spent more in the January window then the rest of top 5 leagues combined.
The English clubs are getting so far ahead with the Sky money.and foreign owners.
if they can't do salary caps they should control how much money teams get.
It would make the Champions League much more interesting.
United averaged over 50,000 the season they spent in Div 2, weren't too many day trippers or glory hunters around in those days.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 08, 2023, 08:47:04 AM
United averaged over 50,000 the season they spent in Div 2, weren't too many day trippers or glory hunters around in those days.
And they averaged 10,000 fewer than that the season before. so would it be fair to describe 20% of their fan base at the time as glory hunters?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 08, 2023, 08:47:04 AM
United averaged over 50,000 the season they spent in Div 2, weren't too many day trippers or glory hunters around in those days.
Or no prawn sandwiches either. Having admission prices over the 15-20 quid mark will get rid of a lot of the "soul".
Relegation odds
.https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation
1. Bournemouth
2. Southampton
3. Everton
4. Leeds
5. Forest
1-1 the popular result today. Opportunity for Soulless City to close the gap at the top to three points tomorrow.
Soton mustnt want to stay up. On the verge of appointin Marsch as manager....
Hassenthutl be doin some laughin
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 14, 2023, 12:41:57 PM
Soton mustnt want to stay up. On the verge of appointin Marsch as manager....
Hassenthutl be doin some laughin
Southampton follow the data, their whole model is based on this and the reason they went for Jones was because of that. I would imagine with the American sport obsession with data and stats that Mrasch woud be a good fit. I'm not saying that it would work, but if that is what your model is it makes sense.
Hope Arsenal can do the business tomorrow night. Results haven't gone their way of late but they're still playing ok plus got done by VAR at the weekend. They're at home plus an extra days rest so expect a big performance from them and I think an attack oriented team will suit them. Be nice to see the title race go down to the wire and a new team emerge.
Good game, pretty soft penalty though I thought.
Pretty clear pen I thought
Quote from: gawa316 on February 15, 2023, 08:27:27 PM
Pretty clear pen I thought
I dunno the ball was gone, it was a coming together more than Ederson taking him out.
Arsenal deserve to be level though in fairness.
Seen it given or not given.. to be fair I don't think Arsenal would have complained
It's not a penalty. Unless we are now giving penalties for every time a player gets touched by a keeper after a shot.
Quote from: trileacman on February 15, 2023, 08:40:36 PM
It's not a penalty. Unless we are now giving penalties for every time a player gets touched by a keeper after a shot.
Could look at it that the keeper didn't try and play the ball at all!
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Quote from: trileacman on February 15, 2023, 08:40:36 PM
It's not a penalty. Unless we are now giving penalties for every time a player gets touched by a keeper after a shot.
Could look at it that the keeper didn't try and play the ball at all!
There was no ball to play it was being cleared off the goal line at the time.
Great game a real throwback to the old Arsenal/United rivalry where there's plenty of needle and the crowd are getting well stuck into things.
Arsenal fans are horrible though.
Is Haaland playing?
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I agree and my youngest is one of them!
Quote from: screenexile on February 15, 2023, 08:56:49 PM
Great game a real throwback to the old Arsenal/United rivalry where there's plenty of needle and the crowd are getting well stuck into things.
Arsenal fans are horrible though.
Arteta not very likeable either. All the John Mullane type fist pumping from the players to the crowd every time they win a free or a throw in is a bit much also.
Nice finish from Grealish there, I had just been thinking to myself how shit he is 😂
Two teams of absolute shitheads.
Arsenal are nowhere. Top 3 could be a struggle. They're finished. Between two Manchester clubs now.
Quote from: trailer on February 15, 2023, 09:18:44 PM
Two teams of absolute shitheads.
Arsenal are nowhere. Top 3 could be a struggle. They're finished. Between two Manchester clubs now.
They're only ahead on goal difference you may be slightly over reacting here!
First home defeat of the season for the Arse
Primes coverage is hard to beat. McCoist and Tyldsley the best in the business.
Arsenal still have the advantage of a game in hand but it looks like they are finished in terms of the title. City will triumph. As if it was ever in doubt.
Arsenal need Jesus back ASAP. Nketiah ok up to now but not a man to lead a top team season long. Should have scored tonight. The goals have dried up elsewhere too. They have a tendency to over play it when shots are on and at the back gave away two goals tonight from too many skittery little passes at the back. Squad overall probably too small in numbers.
City looked the exact opposite. Haaland and De Bruyne took their chances brilliantly. Overall much more assured and clinical. Long way to go yet but gunners need a serious injection from somewhere.
Quote from: screenexile on February 15, 2023, 09:25:20 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 15, 2023, 09:18:44 PM
Two teams of absolute shitheads.
Arsenal are nowhere. Top 3 could be a struggle. They're finished. Between two Manchester clubs now.
They're only ahead on goal difference you may be slightly over reacting here!
Trailer overreact? Never.
The man knows everything about everything and if you don't agree you're wrong.
Best to react to his posts with a thumbs up or a thank you like the lad no one really paid much attention to
Said ages ago Arsenal would shit the bed, just a pity United didn't hold on for a win vs Palace and a draw against Arsenal there recently we'd be sitting lovely. It's City's to lose now, I don't think United have the squad to push hard in 4 competitions however a huge slice of luck with fitness and you never know.
United never winning the title
For a team that spent £220m in the summer (their highest ever) it's a joke they're only 3rd so stop playing it Down.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on February 15, 2023, 10:40:48 PM
United never winning the title
For a team that spent £220m in the summer (their highest ever) it's a joke they're only 3rd so stop playing it Down.
The bus is getting a good cleaning for the parade
The fact that some United supporters wanted city to win tonight tells you all you need to know about the so called Manchester derby
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on February 15, 2023, 11:01:54 PM
The fact that some United supporters wanted city to win tonight tells you all you need to know about the so called Manchester derby
Just wanted to make Gary Neville correct
If Utd get second it's like winning the league especially when City lose their titles
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on February 15, 2023, 10:40:48 PM
United never winning the title
For a team that spent £220m in the summer (their highest ever) it's a joke they're only 3rd so stop playing it Down.
The state of the club the last decade and after the first 2 league games? Every United fan is delighted with where they are at the minute. Money is irrelevant these days ffs, Maguire £80m who is at best a decent defender at worst a complete liability, similar money for Antony who may come good some day but for now is a flashy but not overly effective winger? Then you look at the mad money Chelsea are spending. Games gone mad now
The games finished
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2023, 10:02:56 PM
Said ages ago Arsenal would shit the bed, just a pity United didn't hold on for a win vs Palace and a draw against Arsenal there recently we'd be sitting lovely. It's City's to lose now, I don't think United have the squad to push hard in 4 competitions however a huge slice of luck with fitness and you never know.
So if Man United had won the games they didn't win they would be in a better position than they are...
Pretty sure every club could say that buddy ;D
Utd will finish above Arsenal.
Quote from: An Watcher on February 16, 2023, 07:22:18 AM
The games finished
The professional game and how its run is way beyond ridiculous , has been for a long time, but the upside is the bantometer is off the charts these days, lyrical artists
Quote from: Turf on February 16, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2023, 10:02:56 PM
Said ages ago Arsenal would shit the bed, just a pity United didn't hold on for a win vs Palace and a draw against Arsenal there recently we'd be sitting lovely. It's City's to lose now, I don't think United have the squad to push hard in 4 competitions however a huge slice of luck with fitness and you never know.
So if Man United had won the games they didn't win they would be in a better position than they are...
Pretty sure every club could say that buddy ;D
well those 2 stick out recently especially since United conceded late goals in both. City won't be beat now.
What a difference a couple of weeks make. Some Utd fans have gone from trying to play down their top 4 credentials, to the league being now a 2 horse race with them and City.
Arteta will have to earn his bread now but I wouldn't rule them out yet. The Everton result was a disaster but apart from that the last 4 games were a tricky run. A farcical VAR decision cost them all 3 points against Brentford and Nketiah should have had at least 2 goals last night. They gave away 2 stupid goals at the back and possibly should have had another penalty (the first one was stone wall for me, couldn't understand the big debate about it).
They have a decent run coming up so they need to draw a line in the sand, win their next game against Villa to stop the rot and get a bit of confidence back. If they can pick up 2 wins from the next 2 and also have Jesus return they're back on track. City have congested fixtures coming up, will absolutely have major focus on CL plus they also have FA Cup. There's a good chance they'll drop points. Plus City and Arsenal still have to play so a 6 pointer if it's neck and neck. Of course the major advantages are with City, being options regarding squad size/quality and champion's experience. But a win/loss either way in the PL can quickly change the narrative.
If City and Arsenal drop points its Utd's to lose, they should be ten ahead at the top of the table, had they taken their points against those teams they lost to!! Crazy, madness..
Goal difference/scoring for United is an issue, they need to put a couple of 3-0, 4-0 together but unfortunately they don't have the fire power to do that. When you can only score 1 at palace and the likes leaves us susceptible to dropping points. Even when they got 2 against palace at home it was a scramble at the last to get the win. If Rashford gets hurt or goes off the boil they are in serious difficulties.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2023, 11:34:31 AM
If City and Arsenal drop points its Utd's to lose, they should be ten ahead at the top of the table, had they taken their points against those teams they lost to!! Crazy, madness..
Wouldn't every team be clear at the top if they'd taken their points against the teams they lost to
Quote from: maldini on February 16, 2023, 09:27:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2023, 11:34:31 AM
If City and Arsenal drop points its Utd's to lose, they should be ten ahead at the top of the table, had they taken their points against those teams they lost to!! Crazy, madness..
Wouldn't every team be clear at the top if they'd taken their points against the teams they lost to
No no.. the quad is still on!!
Good day for Arsenal in the two horse Premier league title race with them winning late on against Villa and Man City dropping two points against Nottingham Forest.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 18, 2023, 04:53:20 PM
Good day for Arsenal in the two horse Premier league title race with them winning late on against Villa and Man City dropping two points against Nottingham Forest.
Pep won't be happy with Fodden completely fecking up a chance when not gifting it to Haaland
Potter needs some magic to save his job at Chelsea.
Great boost for Arsenal.
Arsenal shouldn't get 2 excited. Villa are crap. The Arse need to beat decent teams.
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
Arsenal shouldn't get 2 excited. Villa are crap. The Arse need to beat decent teams.
bit of daylight again though. Liverpool back in the mix for 4th now. Huge week for United, 3 wins and the season starting to look like a good one!
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
Arsenal shouldn't get 2 excited. Villa are crap. The Arse need to beat decent teams.
That's not how a league works. 3 points are awarded for winning , no matter who the opposition is. There are 9 teams below Villa , and Arsenal still have to play every one of them. If they win all 9 then they won't have much more to do in the other 6.
Quote from: shark on February 18, 2023, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
Arsenal shouldn't get 2 excited. Villa are crap. The Arse need to beat decent teams.
That's not how a league works. 3 points are awarded for winning , no matter who the opposition is. There are 9 teams below Villa , and Arsenal still have to play every one of them. If they win all 9 then they won't have much more to do in the other 6.
That's not really how a league works either. Arsenal have to finish ahead of Man City. Man City would also beat Villa and co.
It's how Arsenal do in the big matches with a knackered squad that will tell the tale.
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 10:09:18 PM
Quote from: shark on February 18, 2023, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
Arsenal shouldn't get 2 excited. Villa are crap. The Arse need to beat decent teams.
That's not how a league works. 3 points are awarded for winning , no matter who the opposition is. There are 9 teams below Villa , and Arsenal still have to play every one of them. If they win all 9 then they won't have much more to do in the other 6.
That's not really how a league works either. Arsenal have to finish ahead of Man City. Man City would also beat Villa and co.
It's how Arsenal do in the big matches with a knackered squad that will tell the tale.
But Man City didn't win their fixture at Villa Park. They drew it. Yes Arsenal must get more points than City. But their games against "crap" teams will be more important as they have 9 of them , as opposed to 6 against top half teams.
Quote from: shark on February 19, 2023, 08:11:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 10:09:18 PM
Quote from: shark on February 18, 2023, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
Arsenal shouldn't get 2 excited. Villa are crap. The Arse need to beat decent teams.
That's not how a league works. 3 points are awarded for winning , no matter who the opposition is. There are 9 teams below Villa , and Arsenal still have to play every one of them. If they win all 9 then they won't have much more to do in the other 6.
That's not really how a league works either. Arsenal have to finish ahead of Man City. Man City would also beat Villa and co.
It's how Arsenal do in the big matches with a knackered squad that will tell the tale.
But Man City didn't win their fixture at Villa Park. They drew it. Yes Arsenal must get more points than City. But their games against "crap" teams will be more important as they have 9 of them , as opposed to 6 against top half teams.
Yes the most consistent team that makes the least amount of mistakes wins the league. Set of results yesterday more than made up for Arsenals loss against City.
Good response from Arsenal from their recent blip. The other Everton result really was a freak and VAR hasn't been particularly kind to them of late but they have negotiated a tricky 6 weeks quite well and responded from the City defeat which really could have been the season derailer everyone is expecting. Should pick up another 3 points on Saturday and I'm sure they'll be hoping Newcastle can respond from recent disappointments and do them a favour.
Everton look in serious trouble. Completely and utterly outclassed tonight.
I thought some of the United experts like trailer knew Arsenal would "bottle" it ?
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 01, 2023, 11:03:32 PM
I thought some of the United experts like trailer knew Arsenal would "bottle" it ?
Honestly thought they would have by now. Traditionally they have fell away around March time. Have to say they are looking good so far and fair play to them, but still a long long way to go!
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 01, 2023, 11:03:32 PM
I thought some of the United experts like trailer knew Arsenal would "bottle" it ?
He who shall not be named will be on shortly with a detailed analysis of why arsenal aren't good enough. I'd say if they reach April still 5 clear he'll spontaneously combust.
Never saw a league cup as celebrated in my life, you'd barely hear of it other years. God save us if they get to the FA cup final
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on March 03, 2023, 10:38:05 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 01, 2023, 11:03:32 PM
I thought some of the United experts like trailer knew Arsenal would "bottle" it ?
He who shall not be named will be on shortly with a detailed analysis of why arsenal aren't good enough. I'd say if they reach April still 5 clear he'll spontaneously combust.
Never saw a league cup as celebrated in my life, you'd barely hear of it other years. God save us if they get to the FA cup final
Are you sure about that?
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 03, 2023, 11:20:06 AM
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on March 03, 2023, 10:38:05 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 01, 2023, 11:03:32 PM
I thought some of the United experts like trailer knew Arsenal would "bottle" it ?
He who shall not be named will be on shortly with a detailed analysis of why arsenal aren't good enough. I'd say if they reach April still 5 clear he'll spontaneously combust.
Never saw a league cup as celebrated in my life, you'd barely hear of it other years. God save us if they get to the FA cup final
Are you sure about that?
I hope BrotherMore isn't a Liverpool fan coming out with that!
Newcastle have really fallen away since Christmas. Now they are 4 points behind Tottenham in 4th.
Liverpool are only 2 points behind them. You would think that Liverpool could be more consistent than Spurs but this season is weird.
Spurs must be so frustrating to support. They are so erratic, but I don't trust them to go on a run.
Newcastle seemed to have a lot taken out of them in the Cup Final and I reckon they could fall off.
If Liverpool can get any form they could easily get 4th, especially if they drop a bit deeper and hope Salah kicks on again.
There is going to be some turnover of players within those top 6 teams this summer too. Liverpool need an entire midfield and I really don't see why Bellingham would go there. He has his pick of teams and City would probably get him, but United might suit him more.
Chelsea will hoover up players too and then will need to sell on. Rice will go there. Talk of Mount to Liverpool but really I don't get the love for him. He is tidy but not a world beater.
Newcastle will go wild too! They will need some upgrading too. If Arsenal win then they are a top prospect for players as well. It is going to be a mad summer and so much will depend on where it ends up before then.
If Liverpool don't make it they will end up overpaying. United were screwed for years but now you could imagine players wanting to come to be part of it, as opposed to just getting loads of cash.
Watching the City game, particularly how Haaland plays or how they play him. It's phenomenal how many goals he's got considering the lack of touches or the amount of times the play makers look for him..
Foden has found some form
I don't think Haaland suits Man City. Yes he still scores a ton of goals but he could probably score more in other teams.
Arsenal 2-0 behind at home to Bournemouth an hour played. End up winning 3-2 with the winner in the eight minute of injury time. Arsenal's name on trophy?
That could be Arsenal's 'Sheffield Wednesday' game.
When you time waste the whole game and time waste in injury time you deserve that!! Well done Arsenal
Magic by Arsenal.
They are doing their best not to be likeable with Arteta being a complete arsehole on the line and the players seemingly trying to copy the ManU of Ferguson in complaining about every single decision that goes against them and ignoring every decision that goes their way, but still they'll always be more likable than City and the attitude they showed after going 2-0 down was really top class. G'wan the Gooners.
Apparently Evan Ferguson had another good game for Brighton today.. really need to get him involved in the international team
Quote from: clarshack on March 04, 2023, 05:03:33 PM
That could be Arsenal's 'Sheffield Wednesday' game.
Why, did someone shove the ref? ;D
Yes, I said To myself at the time it felt like that Steve Bruce moment . I think they have it won now
Utd must have been on the beer all week after the league cup win.
How Bruno didn't get a red. Surely a suspension for pushing linesman?
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 05, 2023, 06:26:16 PM
How Bruno didn't get a red. Surely a suspension for pushing linesman?
I have never seen someone push an official and get nothing. Ridiculous.
Hag played a blinder re Fernandez, kept him on and sent him out to do the TV interview
Carragher and Souness taking the absolute piss out of Neville, the little turd is seething 😂 he doesn't think Liverpool played well! Imagine we had!
You love to see it.
United will do well to get champions league football. Think Liverpool will finish above them. Mentally weak which was demonstrated by their defensive performance.
Antony, Fernandes absolute headers. Rory Gallagher like. At one stage I thought Antony was on dancing with the stars
Souness is comedy gold at the moment. Has Neville in an awful state 😂
Honestly thought Neville was going to walk off the set there ;D
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on March 05, 2023, 07:37:06 PM
United will do well to get champions league football. Think Liverpool will finish above them. Mentally weak which was demonstrated by their defensive performance.
Antony, Fernandes absolute headers. Rory Gallagher like. At one stage I thought Antony was on dancing with the stars
Ah, go way to sh1te. One bad day in the office. They'll get Champions League football comfortably.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on March 05, 2023, 07:37:06 PM
United will do well to get champions league football. Think Liverpool will finish above them. Mentally weak which was demonstrated by their defensive performance.
Antony, Fernandes absolute headers. Rory Gallagher like. At one stage I thought Antony was on dancing with the stars
😂😂😂
Neville squirming on Sky Sports is always great!
I like Neville but he talks some bollocks too, apparently ETH has performed a miracle to get United where they are. Talk about over the top.
Quote from: laoislad on March 05, 2023, 07:39:53 PM
Souness is comedy gold at the moment. Has Neville in an awful state 😂
Neville is to emotionally invested to be rational. Never seen him so far of base with his analysis
I think when two bald men are slabbering over a comb you're in trouble, for Utd now it's one down two to go. The quad is finished
Ah that's the 'title' challenge done for another year I guess ::)
Quote from: gawa316 on March 05, 2023, 08:03:15 PM
Ah that's the 'title' challenge done for another year I guess ::)
Yes as the goal difference took a hammering today ;D
Otherwise.......
I was impressed with Gary Neville today. Obviously he is biased towards ManU, just like Souness is equally biased towards Liverpool and their tit-for-tat was great fun and neither hide their bias.
Neville was trying to find positives, and he is definitely more positive than Keano, who still remains to be convinced that United have turned into contenders.
Every club has divers, most players dive when they have the opportunity, but the biggest cheat in the premier league is Bruno Fernandes. Nobody feigns injury as consistently as Fernandes in English football. A liar, cheat and absolute scum bag. An embarrassment of a 'captain'. And in fairness to Neville he called out Bruno's disgraceful behaviors 4 or 5 times today. Gary was rightly embarrassed that his great club is captained by this absolute ballbag. Begging to be subbed! Fair play to Gary.
Very good interview by Ten Haag in the aftermath of what was a catastrophic performance. Even Roy was impressed
So Sunday was Liverpool's biggest ever win over Man Utd. What was the biggest ever win in the other direction? Google is too crowded out with today's result for me to find it.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 06, 2023, 12:52:58 AM
So Sunday was Liverpool's biggest ever win over Man Utd. What was the biggest ever win in the other direction? Google is too crowded out with today's result for me to find it.
It doesn't matter. It's not bigger than our top 2 or 3 wins over them. So you can chalk that one off for debating point as we hold the upper hand on that one as well.
Go to bed. I'm not talking to you.
Believe it or not, it is possible to be curious about this without supporting either team.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 06, 2023, 12:52:58 AM
So Sunday was Liverpool's biggest ever win over Man Utd. What was the biggest ever win in the other direction? Google is too crowded out with today's result for me to find it.
6 -1 in 1928.
Cheers Delgany.
Liverpool to win this 3-1 now.
Quote from: Gael85 on March 11, 2023, 01:56:47 PM
Liverpool to win this 3-1 now.
Hope so! Beating my early four timer!!
Have the commentators also refused to work for MOTD today? Will they be just showing the highlights then with no analysis or commentary then?
The funny thing is they will probably get a bigger viewership than normal now with people tuning in to see how it will all play out.
Spurs taking advantage
Quote from: jcpen on March 11, 2023, 03:11:03 PM
Have the commentators also refused to work for MOTD today? Will they be just showing the highlights then with no analysis or commentary then?
The funny thing is they will probably get a bigger viewership than normal now with people tuning in to see how it will all play out.
Think they are getting commentary from another feed. And yeah probably will be big ratings tonight from those who just want to see what way it looks plus those bitter ones that don't like Gary Lineker for example this tube: https://twitter.com/edwinpootsmla/status/1634462596647583745?s=46
Quote from: square_ball on March 11, 2023, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: jcpen on March 11, 2023, 03:11:03 PM
Have the commentators also refused to work for MOTD today? Will they be just showing the highlights then with no analysis or commentary then?
The funny thing is they will probably get a bigger viewership than normal now with people tuning in to see how it will all play out.
Think they are getting commentary from another feed. And yeah probably will be big ratings tonight from those who just want to see what way it looks plus those bitter ones that don't like Gary Lineker for example this tube: https://twitter.com/edwinpootsmla/status/1634462596647583745?s=46
Whitey will be tuning in with his mate Poots tonight too, if anyone knows how to score a own goal it's him ;D
Lack of pundit turned a 1 hour show into 20 minutes. Only missed the ccommentry ;)
I prefer the hour and a half show to that crap last night. Sure you can go on YouTube every week and watch 3 minute highlights of any match. Seems I'm in a minority where I like to watch a bit of a discussion around a match.
Quote from: Denn Forever on March 12, 2023, 10:33:31 AM
Lack of pundit turned a 1 hour show into 20 minutes. Only missed the ccommentry ;)
Why dafuq the theme tune disappear tho
The only goal of the game for Brighton tonight scored by Solly March on 15 minutes and today is the March 15th.
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Arsenal are sheer class to watch. Really hope they lift the trophy.
Quote from: Look-Up! on March 19, 2023, 03:16:37 PM
Arsenal are sheer class to watch. Really hope they lift the trophy.
Could watch it all
Even better than city
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
Had to laugh about how kids mimic their soccer stars at grass roots level, the topic being about the red cards and abuse to the referee and how players will keep thinking its ok to go at the officials at a game..
This father was on talksport this morning saying its that bad when kids will copy their idols, that when the kids are now chatting in games (under 7's) they are covering their mouths when speaking to each other!!
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
He's not wrong.
But about 4 miles down the road a manager with no big reputation, has spent similar amounts of money to Conte turning what was a weaker squad than Spurs into likely PL winners, and doing so while playing attractive football.
So what Levy want to do, can be done.
ENIC just have this awful habit of picking managers who aren't suited to the job. like Conte, probably the biggest fraud in the history of management.
Refuses to change his team, until forced by injury. Refuses to change his formation to suit what's available. Concedes midfield in every game, regardless of opposition. He's getting paid over a million a month to manage Spurs and every single player has gone backwards apart from the bombproof Kane.
He's an absolute con man.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 20, 2023, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
He's not wrong.
But about 4 miles down the road a manager with no big reputation, has spent similar amounts of money to Conte turning what was a weaker squad than Spurs into likely PL winners, and doing so while playing attractive football.
So what Levy want to do, can be done.
ENIC just have this awful habit of picking managers who aren't suited to the job. like Conte, probably the biggest fraud in the history of management.
Refuses to change his team, until forced by injury. Refuses to change his formation to suit what's available. Concedes midfield in every game, regardless of opposition. He's getting paid over a million a month to manage Spurs and every single player has gone backwards apart from the bombproof Kane.
He's an absolute con man.
Conte gone, so who will Levy turn to now? Lampard....
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2023, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 20, 2023, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
He's not wrong.
But about 4 miles down the road a manager with no big reputation, has spent similar amounts of money to Conte turning what was a weaker squad than Spurs into likely PL winners, and doing so while playing attractive football.
So what Levy want to do, can be done.
ENIC just have this awful habit of picking managers who aren't suited to the job. like Conte, probably the biggest fraud in the history of management.
Refuses to change his team, until forced by injury. Refuses to change his formation to suit what's available. Concedes midfield in every game, regardless of opposition. He's getting paid over a million a month to manage Spurs and every single player has gone backwards apart from the bombproof Kane.
He's an absolute con man.
Conte gone, so who will Levy turn to now? Lampard....
He'd go for his Uncle Harry before taking Lampard
What is it about Spurs that breaks the will of managers.
Back to Poch for Spurs now? The man they should never have sacked. What a joke of a club.
Conte will probably stay until the end of the season.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2023, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 20, 2023, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
He's not wrong.
But about 4 miles down the road a manager with no big reputation, has spent similar amounts of money to Conte turning what was a weaker squad than Spurs into likely PL winners, and doing so while playing attractive football.
So what Levy want to do, can be done.
ENIC just have this awful habit of picking managers who aren't suited to the job. like Conte, probably the biggest fraud in the history of management.
Refuses to change his team, until forced by injury. Refuses to change his formation to suit what's available. Concedes midfield in every game, regardless of opposition. He's getting paid over a million a month to manage Spurs and every single player has gone backwards apart from the bombproof Kane.
He's an absolute con man.
Conte gone, so who will Levy turn to now? Lampard....
Conte gone ?
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 21, 2023, 04:32:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2023, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 20, 2023, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
He's not wrong.
But about 4 miles down the road a manager with no big reputation, has spent similar amounts of money to Conte turning what was a weaker squad than Spurs into likely PL winners, and doing so while playing attractive football.
So what Levy want to do, can be done.
ENIC just have this awful habit of picking managers who aren't suited to the job. like Conte, probably the biggest fraud in the history of management.
Refuses to change his team, until forced by injury. Refuses to change his formation to suit what's available. Concedes midfield in every game, regardless of opposition. He's getting paid over a million a month to manage Spurs and every single player has gone backwards apart from the bombproof Kane.
He's an absolute con man.
Conte gone, so who will Levy turn to now? Lampard....
Conte gone ?
No sign anywhere
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 19, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Some rant by Conte, now 1/5 to be next premiership manager to be sacked.
Southampton 3-3 Tottenham: Antonio Conte's furious media conference after Spurs let lead slip - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65004422
Listened to it and he's not wrong. Whether Levy and Co want to be reminded of their own shortcomings in public is another thing.
If they do sack him, expect it to get messy.
While he may not be wrong it's something you say in the dressing room instead of in front of the English media. It's clear Conte did what he did because he wants out and probably get a big pay package if sacked now. He's so simliar to Jose Mourinho in playing style and attitude.
Exactly he wants the sack and then he gets the cash and can say that Spurs are just Spurs and what can you do.
Kane will surely hit the road with such instability for the last few years. United would be the spot for him and he could drop deep as Rashford and AN Other run beyond him. Eriksen will be back and is used to playing with him too.
I know his race is a bit run with Athletico but you would imagine some clubs going after Simeone eg Spurs and Chelsea?
Potter will surely be gone too as I honestly don't understand how he gets a free pass (well I do - he is English) with the players he has. That's another job up for grabs.
As I said it's going to be a mad year in the transfer market. Liverpool are going to be in bits having left so many lads go off the boil together. Newcastle could overtake them full with Howe having cash to spend.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 21, 2023, 05:37:03 PM
Exactly he wants the sack and then he gets the cash and can say that Spurs are just Spurs and what can you do.
Kane will surely hit the road with such instability for the last few years. United would be the spot for him and he could drop deep as Rashford and AN Other run beyond him. Eriksen will be back and is used to playing with him too.
I know his race is a bit run with Athletico but you would imagine some clubs going after Simeone eg Spurs and Chelsea?
Potter will surely be gone too as I honestly don't understand how he gets a free pass (well I do - he is English) with the players he has. That's another job up for grabs.
As I said it's going to be a mad year in the transfer market. Liverpool are going to be in bits having left so many lads go off the boil together. Newcastle could overtake them full with Howe having cash to spend.
I was a bit premature on the gone bit evidently but he's supposed to be going in the summer anyway so does Levy pay out the £4m to let him go now and get in an interim manager or ride it out with him still in charge?
Gary Nev absolutely vindicated in saying Conte wasn't right for Utd.
If I was Levy I would show him the door and tell him he can sign for severance pay. Put him out on his arse on a gross misconduct charge.
Quote from: trailer on March 22, 2023, 12:18:08 PM
Gary Nev absolutely vindicated in saying Conte wasn't right for Utd.
If I was Levy I would show him the door and tell him he can sign for severance pay. Put him out on his arse on a gross misconduct charge.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.. Don't think Conte said anything wrong tbh players texting Poch behind his back to come back etc just shows his criticism is justified. Spurs players want an easy ride.
United board said no more player bullshit and gave Ten Haag free rein, Levy needs to do the same if he wants Spurs to be taken seriously.
Quote from: trailer on March 22, 2023, 12:18:08 PM
Gary Nev absolutely vindicated in saying Conte wasn't right for Utd.
If I was Levy I would show him the door and tell him he can sign for severance pay. Put him out on his arse on a gross misconduct charge.
What he said was right. Spurs have been playing on/off all season
Some miss by grealish for England.
Maguire, Grealish have allowed Italy back into the game. Walker starting, have they ignored his recent bar incident playing helicopter with his lad?
England players surrounding the ref and not a word from the commentators
Kane heading it
Kane gets away with murder.
He doesn't know which part of his body to hold when he goes down. He's honestly one of the biggest divers I have ever seen but he is very clever about it.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on March 23, 2023, 09:29:01 PM
England players surrounding the ref and not a word from the commentators
Kane heading it
straight reds for that shite. Soon stop it!
Conte has left the building.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/03/27/five-contenders-to-replace-antonio-conte-at-tottenham-after-italian-manager-left-club/
Brodge and Potter in the one day. Crazy.
Soap opera for men this oul soccerball
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 02, 2023, 08:18:11 PM
Brodge and Potter in the one day. Crazy.
Soap opera for men this oul soccerball
If the Brentford's, the Bournemouth's or the Brighton's are doing well it means a few of the more established clubs have to suffer!
£81m Potter has cost Chelsea.. £21m as comp to Brighton then £60m to payout the remainder of his contract... Nice work if you can get it
Jaysus....
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 02, 2023, 08:18:11 PM
Brodge and Potter in the one day. Crazy.
Soap opera for men this oul soccerball
It was only a matter of time with Rodgers. He seems to have a shelf life of only 2-3 year at each club
Hardly surprising about Potter either. I always thought him going to Chelsea was a bad move . Like Moyes to United , was never going to end well. Shame , because he did well with Brighton, he now has to rebuild his reputation again elsewhere
Nagelsmann to Chelsea
Rodgers to Spurs
Potter to Leicester
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 02, 2023, 08:18:11 PM
Brodge and Potter in the one day. Crazy.
Soap opera for men this oul soccerball
Not sure how Rodgers lasted as long as he did. Roman Abramovich gone from Chelsea yet still no patience with new managers Nagelsmann next if he wants another short term manager role.
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
How many years should a manager have to get teams performing adequately or better in the PL to prove himself above being a "championship manager at best"?
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2023, 10:12:53 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
How many years should a manager have to get teams performing adequately or better in the PL to prove himself above being a "championship manager at best"?
Depends really...but Rodgers is not up to scratch in todays game. Did well at Celtic and should have stayed there. A poor mans David Moyes really.
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
I was hoping Potter would still be in charge for the Liverpool game. I wonder who will be in charge for that?
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 02, 2023, 11:27:43 PM
I was hoping Potter would still be in charge for the Liverpool game. I wonder who will be in charge for that?
Naggelsman favourite for the job
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
Spent over 70 million on players he wanted, spent 18 months trying to get Vestergaard and then benched him and froze him out after a handful of games. Froze Soyunco for no reason. Celtic was his level and as I said he should have stayed there. No top club would touch him now.
I see poor aul Graham Potter was bought too many expensive players...surely taking the job he knew that he had no say in the transfers but like it's not like he had a load of duds.
Then you look at how much better Brighton are now in attack. So I ask is Potter that good? When you look at Howe, his squad is actually middlin' enough overall, but he is bringing them all on.
Quote from: Piskin on April 03, 2023, 03:32:43 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
Spent over 70 million on players he wanted, spent 18 months trying to get Vestergaard and then benched him and froze him out after a handful of games. Froze Soyunco for no reason. Celtic was his level and as I said he should have stayed there. No top club would touch him now.
He'll get a job.
Like GAA managers, regardless of how they do, they seem to get another gig.
I see Roy H is back with Palace.
Quote from: marty34 on April 03, 2023, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 03, 2023, 03:32:43 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
Spent over 70 million on players he wanted, spent 18 months trying to get Vestergaard and then benched him and froze him out after a handful of games. Froze Soyunco for no reason. Celtic was his level and as I said he should have stayed there. No top club would touch him now.
He'll get a job.
Like GAA managers, regardless of how they do, they seem to get another gig.
I see Roy H is back with Palace.
Roy is 76 in August. Don't even think Miko lasted to that age in Management.
Allegedly Potter is to receive around 80 million for his 7 months at Chelsea. I think I'd retire.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on April 03, 2023, 10:13:09 PM
Allegedly Potter is to receive around 80 million for his 7 months at Chelsea. I think I'd retire.
£60m.. £21m Chelsea paid to Brighton to get him as manager.. On top of that if they appointment Nagglesman they have to pay Bayern compensation
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 03, 2023, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 03, 2023, 03:32:43 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
Spent over 70 million on players he wanted, spent 18 months trying to get Vestergaard and then benched him and froze him out after a handful of games. Froze Soyunco for no reason. Celtic was his level and as I said he should have stayed there. No top club would touch him now.
He'll get a job.
Like GAA managers, regardless of how they do, they seem to get another gig.
I see Roy H is back with Palace.
Roy is 76 in August. Don't even think Miko lasted to that age in Management.
I know. All managers, whether soccer or gaa, just seem to do the rounds.
Move from one gig to the next. It's a results' business - no good, then out the door.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 03, 2023, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 03, 2023, 03:32:43 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
Spent over 70 million on players he wanted, spent 18 months trying to get Vestergaard and then benched him and froze him out after a handful of games. Froze Soyunco for no reason. Celtic was his level and as I said he should have stayed there. No top club would touch him now.
He'll get a job.
Like GAA managers, regardless of how they do, they seem to get another gig.
I see Roy H is back with Palace.
Roy is 76 in August. Don't even think Miko lasted to that age in Management.
Micko would have been around 76 when managed Clare.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 03, 2023, 10:54:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 03, 2023, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 03, 2023, 03:32:43 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 02, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Rodgers is a championship manager at best just like Mick McCarthy.
Christ he won an FA Cup..more than the much lauded Poch!! Leicester owners didn't exactly back him in the transfer market of late.
Spent over 70 million on players he wanted, spent 18 months trying to get Vestergaard and then benched him and froze him out after a handful of games. Froze Soyunco for no reason. Celtic was his level and as I said he should have stayed there. No top club would touch him now.
He'll get a job.
Like GAA managers, regardless of how they do, they seem to get another gig.
I see Roy H is back with Palace.
Roy is 76 in August. Don't even think Miko lasted to that age in Management.
Micko would have been around 76 when managed Clare.
There you go. I have to say, I remember he was struggling at the time. And he looked more like a figurehead than the Huge character he was with counties he was involved with in his earlier career.
Biggest game tonight relegation playoff Leeds v Forrest, losers will struggle
Chelsea game will be interesting have went for Felix and captain chaos to have at least one shot on target 5/2! Fill your boots
Ferguson scores for Brighton
and
https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/64733501
Posted at 21:3021:30
Chelsea 0-0 Liverpool
Frank Lampard is watching from the stands. Bruno Saltor is Chelsea's third manager (including interims) since Lampard left.
Big result for Leeds and awful result for leicester.
All the results went Everton's way tonight.
(https://scontent.fdub7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/339743930_3438494529740605_5348965654808476194_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=HmEe8tfCmVYAX8aOszw&_nc_ht=scontent.fdub7-1.fna&oh=00_AfDUYe3mwcrM-2YU71Hd-HU6sDjDCN850c8Muln3mPR22Q&oe=64319101)
Emery doing a fantastic job at Villa at the minute. Lightyears away from how Gerrard had them playing.
Some relegation battle going on, not easy to pick the three that will go down.
(https://i.ibb.co/km7yc8k/Screenshot-20230405-134300-2.png) (https://ibb.co/xFks5jP)
3 from the bottom 4 I think
Quote from: seafoid on April 05, 2023, 02:30:54 PM
3 from the bottom 4 I think
Southampton, Forest, and Bournemouth.
Frank Lampard back in as Chelsea interim. One for the WTF thread also.
Can Moyes survive that? Wouldn't be surprised if he's next to go. Steve cooper under pressure to survive at forest as well
Cooper given the dreaded vote of no confidence. I was thinking the same about moyes. Goalie gave away a brutal one.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 05, 2023, 07:22:06 PM
Frank Lampard back in as Chelsea interim. One for the WTF thread also.
How do these failures keep getting top jobs?
Isn't Ten Hag something like 9th longest serving manager in the league at this stage? Madness
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2023, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 05, 2023, 07:22:06 PM
Frank Lampard back in as Chelsea interim. One for the WTF thread also.
How do these failures keep getting top jobs?
I really don't understand that one at all. I was shocked to see his cousin Jamie Redknapp to say on Sky Sports it was a no brainier of a decision by Chelsea to bring him in.
Quote from: square_ball on April 05, 2023, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2023, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 05, 2023, 07:22:06 PM
Frank Lampard back in as Chelsea interim. One for the WTF thread also.
How do these failures keep getting top jobs?
I really don't understand that one at all. I was shocked to see his cousin Jamie Redknapp to say on Sky Sports it was a no brainier of a decision by Chelsea to bring him in.
It's a sort of quick fix thing! Potter was sacked to show publicly that Chelsea are looking for a Manager and Lampard is appointed because he knows the club and can do the day to day running of the Club and still show that Chelsea are looking for a Manager.
Quote from: square_ball on April 05, 2023, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2023, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 05, 2023, 07:22:06 PM
Frank Lampard back in as Chelsea interim. One for the WTF thread also.
How do these failures keep getting top jobs?
I really don't understand that one at all. I was shocked to see his cousin Jamie Redknapp to say on Sky Sports it was a no brainier of a decision by Chelsea to bring him in.
Or not using their brains. Bizarre decision.
Bit mad indeed.
Imagine getting the boot from a club and then being asked, and agreeing to go back in again.
Think of it in your own work place. Crazy stuff.
Soccer managers are a different breed.
I can actually see a scenario where he wins a few games and there will be a clamour from his mates in the media to give him the job full time next season.
Leicester are in serious trouble. Vardy can't score and Bournemouth have beaten them. Anything to do with Wagatha Christie ?
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 05:05:10 PM
Leicester are in serious trouble. Vardy can't score and Bournemouth have beaten them. Anything to do with Wagatha Christie ?
Leicester play fellow strugglers Wolves, Leeds, Everton, over the next couple of weeks.
Leics be grand, Jesse Marsch is on the way.....
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2023, 05:59:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 05:05:10 PM
Leicester are in serious trouble. Vardy can't score and Bournemouth have beaten them. Anything to do with Wagatha Christie ?
Leicester play fellow strugglers Wolves, Leeds, Everton, over the next couple of weeks.
Except none of them are struggling as much as Leicester
Lampard knows the club...
https://twitter.com/Exploding_Heads/status/1643743970017824768?t=RzzTKwdHWgYM1baRJLRidQ&s=19
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 05:15:48 PM
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
f**k me watch every match we've played this year that's what we've had to put up with against us... Xhaka clown got Liverpool fans up and ready for the match. Would have took a point before the game, Ramsdale man of the match
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 05:15:48 PM
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
Highlight was that w**ker Robertson getting a slap from the linesman
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 06:40:00 PM
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 05:15:48 PM
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
Highlight was that w**ker Robertson getting a slap from the linesman
Why didn't he go down and roll on the floor like they all do ?
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 09, 2023, 07:45:21 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 06:40:00 PM
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 05:15:48 PM
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
Highlight was that w**ker Robertson getting a slap from the linesman
Why didn't he go down and roll on the floor like they all do ?
Cos he's a big hard man that supports the sellick dun he
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 06:40:00 PM
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 05:15:48 PM
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
Highlight was that w**ker Robertson getting a slap from the linesman
He thinks you're a w**ker also.
The self-doubt meter has gone up a few notches around Arsenal. That's a big slip.
It was a decent result for Arsenal today. You can't win them all. The big game is when Arsenal go to city in a few weeks. If Arsenal win or draw that they will nearly be home.
I expected City with Haaland to run away with it this year. It hasn't been like that at all.
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 07:49:07 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 06:40:00 PM
Quote from: jcpen on April 09, 2023, 05:15:48 PM
Arsenal a great team to watch but some of their diving, time wasting and whining is ridiculous.
Highlight was that w**ker Robertson getting a slap from the linesman
He thinks you're a w**ker also.
Tell him I was asking for him
Arsenal still have to play Man City and Newcastle.
https://twitter.com/projectfootball/status/1645136846081478659?s=46&t=rlIqFd0jyHOkj66mYEMewA (https://twitter.com/projectfootball/status/1645136846081478659?s=46&t=rlIqFd0jyHOkj66mYEMewA)
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 09, 2023, 01:05:45 AM
Lampard knows the club...
https://twitter.com/Exploding_Heads/status/1643743970017824768?t=RzzTKwdHWgYM1baRJLRidQ&s=19
Chelsea should have brought in Hodgson.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 08, 2023, 06:09:26 PM
Leics be grand, Jesse Marsch is on the way.....
From Marsch to Dean Smith..
Edit - rafa in talks too. I know who id rather have but ill stop now 😃
Leeds have had an absolute shocker here:
https://theathletic.com/4398351/2023/04/10/leeds-united-jean-kevin-augustin-contract/?amp=1
Aston Villa 3-0 winners against 3rd place Newcastle today, Would have likely got the opposite result if Steven Gerrard was still manager, Unai Emery a clear upgrade.
I think he's came in and shown that he is a level above the likes of Gerrard and Beale.
The proper football men in England won't be happy one of those foreigns have come in and shown up an English manager.
He has done a fabulous job
Great result for Bournemouth away to Tottenham. Poor result for Everton at home to Fulham.
Great results for Utd!! They'll need them considering they'll have to play own goal Maguire!
What about oul Roy Hodgson.
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 08:59:19 PM
What about oul Roy Hodgson.
Unreal. And he is oul like, 70 what ?
They sacked Viera when they were in relegation trouble
Now they're 3 point behind Chelsea
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 15, 2023, 06:06:29 PM
Great results for Utd!! They'll need them considering they'll have to play own goal Maguire!
Any news on Varane/Shaw? Take it Martinez is out for the foreseeable ffs. Is Lindelof fit?
Could Rio Ferdinand come out of retirement? Anything is better than slab head.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 15, 2023, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 08:59:19 PM
What about oul Roy Hodgson.
Unreal. And he is oul like, 70 what ?
They sacked Viera when they were in relegation trouble
Now they're 3 point behind Chelsea
Wouldn't make much of that.. Paddy V had a tough run of games against Top 10 teams Roy is playing teams lower in the league.
Watched some highlights of the Chelsea game over dinner, God Ferguson is a player - Looked very sharp hopefully injury he went off with isn't serious
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Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 15, 2023, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 08:59:19 PM
What about oul Roy Hodgson.
Unreal. And he is oul like, 70 what ?
They sacked Viera when they were in relegation trouble
Now they're 3 point behind Chelsea
Wouldn't make much of that.. Paddy V had a tough run of games against Top 10 teams Roy is playing teams lower in the league.
Watched some highlights of the Chelsea game over dinner, God Ferguson is a player - Looked very sharp hopefully injury he went off with isn't serious
It wasn't so long ago our big hope up front was Troy Parrott ffs! Ferguson looks a player alright. Another few years at Brighton they way they are going will do him the world of good.
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Great results for Utd!! They'll need them considering they'll have to play own goal Maguire!
Any news on Varane/Shaw? Take it Martinez is out for the foreseeable ffs. Is Lindelof fit?
Could Rio Ferdinand come out of retirement? Anything is better than slab head.
Bring bag big Phil Jones ::)
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 15, 2023, 10:10:00 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 15, 2023, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 08:59:19 PM
What about oul Roy Hodgson.
Unreal. And he is oul like, 70 what ?
They sacked Viera when they were in relegation trouble
Now they're 3 point behind Chelsea
Wouldn't make much of that.. Paddy V had a tough run of games against Top 10 teams Roy is playing teams lower in the league.
Watched some highlights of the Chelsea game over dinner, God Ferguson is a player - Looked very sharp hopefully injury he went off with isn't serious
What did you have for dinner?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 15, 2023, 06:06:29 PM
Great results for Utd!! They'll need them considering they'll have to play own goal Maguire!
Any news on Varane/Shaw? Take it Martinez is out for the foreseeable ffs. Is Lindelof fit?
Could Rio Ferdinand come out of retirement? Anything is better than slab head.
Bring bag big Phil Jones ::)
He did rightly in the one game he played last year. Pity he's made of glass
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 15, 2023, 05:16:07 PM
Great result for Bournemouth away to Tottenham. Poor result for Everton at home to Fulham.
Bournemouth have won 3 of their last 5 and have great momentum.
The worst form is with the bottom 3, Brentford and Chelsea
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 15, 2023, 06:06:29 PM
Great results for Utd!! They'll need them considering they'll have to play own goal Maguire!
Any news on Varane/Shaw? Take it Martinez is out for the foreseeable ffs. Is Lindelof fit?
Could Rio Ferdinand come out of retirement? Anything is better than slab head.
Bring bag big Phil Jones ::)
He did rightly in the one game he played last year. Pity he's made of glass
He was shite and was at fault for the goal. He's and embarrassment
2nd weekend in a row that Arsenal let a 2-0 lead slip to draw 2-2. Today Sake missed a penalty and West Ham levelled it up shortly after. Squeaky bum time at the top of the table now.
Very sloppy from Arsenal
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 16, 2023, 03:58:06 PM
2nd weekend in a row that Arsenal let a 2-0 lead slip to draw 2-2. Today Sake missed a penalty and West Ham levelled it up shortly after. Squeaky bum time at the top of the table now.
League over. Expect City to cruise to it now. Arsenal were never going to win it missing Saliba. Holding a championship level player. Tierney a massive step down in quality too.
That's that then. Can't see city blowing it now . I expect them to win all their remaining games . Brighton away would be the trickiest game . But even a draw there should do it for them
Arsenal have Southampton in before the City game. That should help them steady the ship.
Sure Arsenal win their games and draw with City they be fine.
That's two games in a row that they have thrown away a 2 goal lead. The has to play on their minds in the games coming up.
Major pressure on both teams really, one slip up could prove drastic. Pep has been here before so I think City will win it.
Jamie trying to defend that handball by Trent ;D ;D
Frank is on a roll.
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Man city have been in Wembley 24 times since 2010.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 22, 2023, 12:21:02 PM
Man city have been in Wembley 24 times since 2010.
More than the Dubs at Croker ;D
Leeds keeper proving again that he is the worst first choice keeper in the division unfortunately
Quote from: Hound on April 22, 2023, 02:01:25 PM
Leeds keeper proving again that he is the worst first choice keeper in the division unfortunately
David pushing him for that slot lately lol
Ewan mackenna would say different also 😉
The best players combined with these two would still get hammered by City
Penalty shootout coming by the look of it. Compensation for a poor game.
Brighton very nervy throughout. Probably played the better football, but once they got in and around the box panic set in.
Brighton should have won that game. Missed Ferguson bigtime today
Ferguson signs on with Brighton. If the manager stays and they hang on to a few lads it's a great place for him.
MacAllister will move I'd say. Caiceido too but others always seem ready.
Ferguson has good advisors. Imagine how much he will be worth at 23.
Huge match just kicked off between Leeds and Leicester
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2023, 08:05:48 PM
Ferguson has good advisors. Imagine how much he will be worth at 23.
Huge match just kicked off between Leeds and Leicester
Good call by Ferguson and the club, get him signed up protect their investment and give him a chance to play first team high level football.
The other two lads will likely go, but will probably bring in another 100 - 120m odd. Good set up all round.
They couldn't save a penalty on sunday, but 10 minutes in against Forrest Brighton save a penalty.
Arsenal getting battered but it's still only 1-0.
Man City have the most expensive squad. Money talks.
If Arsenal hadn't dropped 6 points in their last 3 matches they could have absorbed this loss.
3-0 now, it's men v boys.
Forest are beating Brighton 3-1 so they are out of the drop zone
Quote from: clarshack on April 26, 2023, 09:19:17 PM
3-0 now, it's men v boys.
It's Multimillionaires v Millionaires!
BBC
Man City 3-0 Arsenal
Clearly, this is great for City and sickening for Arsenal, but it's also a shame for us neutrals. The billing had this as a blood and thunder title battle between the best two sides in the league but it's been too one-sided to be gripping.
City best team in league by far, followed by Liverpool. Arsenal improving but long way to go!
Haaland has scored 33 EPL goals, more than Chelsea.
Routine win for Manchester City, excepted with Arsenal's recent form. The idea that their Europa league exit would prove a blessing in disguise was far fetched.
Other end of the table is more interesting. A big win for Nottingham Forest.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 09:59:52 PM
Routine win for Manchester City, excepted with Arsenal's recent form. The idea that their Europa league exit would prove a blessing in disguise was far fetched.
Other end of the table is more interesting. A big win for Nottingham Forest.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 09:42:05 PM
City best team in league by far, followed by Liverpool. Arsenal improving but long way to go!
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Poor auld lampard won't be getting many jobs after this.
Saliba injury was major for Arsenal plus hard to compete with over a 100 charges of cheating City.
AFTV should be good watching for the rest of youse tonight.. At Least Down won Ulster tonight ease the pain of watching that shite from Arsenal
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 09:59:52 PM
Routine win for Manchester City, excepted with Arsenal's recent form. The idea that their Europa league exit would prove a blessing in disguise was far fetched.
Other end of the table is more interesting. A big win for Nottingham Forest.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 09:42:05 PM
City best team in league by far, followed by Liverpool. Arsenal improving but long way to go!
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Still think 2nd best team in the league. Few tweaks and they'll be back in the mix. P.S not a pool fan
Many English fans used to deride the uncompetitive nature of German, Spanish, French Leagues etc. People need to wake up to what is happening in England. Man City have dominated English football for the best part of a decade but very few want to ask how it happened. The same will happen with Newcastle whose owners vast wealth dwarf that of the UAE. It's completely soulless.
I only heard the other day that Man City are still on for the same treble as united won in 1999. Is it just Me or is there a bit of a 'meh' attitude about this possible achievement?
I remember the 1999 treble, every game was huge. Maybe I just don't care as much now, or maybe it's also because I don't support city.
But what are your thoughts?
Has the Saudi money ruined things? Or is there a hint of inevitability about city doing the treble that people just have accepted?
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 26, 2023, 10:43:46 PM
I only heard the other day that Man City are still on for the same treble as united won in 1999. Is it just Me or is there a bit of a 'meh' attitude about this possible achievement?
I remember the 1999 treble, every game was huge. Maybe I just don't care as much now, or maybe it's also because I don't support city.
But what are your thoughts?
Has the Saudi money ruined things? Or is there a hint of inevitability about city doing the treble that people just have accepted?
If theres any soul left in the game at all, Madrid and United, the 2 biggest clubs in the world will stop that shower.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 26, 2023, 10:36:13 PM
Many English fans used to deride the uncompetitive nature of German, Spanish, French Leagues etc. People need to wake up to what is happening in England. Man City have dominated English football for the best part of a decade but very few want to ask how it happened. The same will happen with Newcastle whose owners vast wealth dwarf that of the UAE. It's completely soulless.
Twitter this season is falling over with Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Spurs fans proclaiming that their club just needs 2-3 more world class players and they'll be right there with City, and that their respective boards are penny pinching blowhards with no interest in football.
The reality is that none of these sides needs a massive injection of talent. What they all need is for City to stop injecting themselves with a new batch of high end talent at every turn.
That's what's wrong with football, and not the boards of the clubs the next rung down. Football fans need to open their eyes and vent their protests in the correct direction.
What everyone else needs is Guardiola to leave
He's the difference. City had money before he came in and never dominated like this
Lots of clubs have spent hundreds of millions and are nowhere near the top of the table.
If you go by net spend (which Liverpool fans preached about for years) City are one of the lowest in the league over the last five years
Chelsea and Man United have spent billions and can't get near a title
Takes more than money
Quote from: maldini on April 26, 2023, 11:06:18 PM
What everyone else needs is Guardiola to leave
He's the difference. City had money before he came in and never dominated like this
Lots of clubs have spent hundreds of millions and are nowhere near the top of the table.
If you go by net spend (which Liverpool fans preached about for years) City are one of the lowest in the league over the last five years
Chelsea and Man United have spent billions and can't get near a title
Takes more than money
While the Arab oil money is abhorrent and ruining the game it's a bit rich clubs like Real/Barca/Man Utd being the moral compass of the game when they're as guilty as the next club for spending exorbitant amounts of cash.
The amount of money the Glazers have spent on players recently is ridiculous it's the management of the club that's the problem some totally agree with what you've said above.
If football is to be fixed then FIFA need a salary cap for the top leagues in the world but there's absolutely zero chance of that happening!
Until then we can look forward to a strong getting stronger scenario as we have a t the minute.
Club generated money spent or blowing away their revenue is one thing however Manchester City a run of the mill club basically won the lottery when the Arabs chose them. Newcastle are the same and success will follow in the years ahead. Had Arsenal won the league this season and Liverpool winning it in 2020 was interesting for neutrals and rival supporters. Any more success for Manchester City and Newcastle's to come for people that don't supporter them will be a bit ‘meh’ no matter how much SKY Sports and others try to hype it up.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 26, 2023, 10:43:46 PM
I only heard the other day that Man City are still on for the same treble as united won in 1999. Is it just Me or is there a bit of a 'meh' attitude about this possible achievement?
I remember the 1999 treble, every game was huge. Maybe I just don't care as much now, or maybe it's also because I don't support city.
But what are your thoughts?
Has the Saudi money ruined things? Or is there a hint of inevitability about city doing the treble that people just have accepted?
Think it is something to do with United's quadruple attempt now being finished, so the media can finally move on to city's treble bid
Quote from: gawa316 on April 27, 2023, 12:39:00 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 26, 2023, 10:43:46 PM
I only heard the other day that Man City are still on for the same treble as united won in 1999. Is it just Me or is there a bit of a 'meh' attitude about this possible achievement?
I remember the 1999 treble, every game was huge. Maybe I just don't care as much now, or maybe it's also because I don't support city.
But what are your thoughts?
Has the Saudi money ruined things? Or is there a hint of inevitability about city doing the treble that people just have accepted?
Think it is something to do with United's quadruple attempt now being finished, so the media can finally move on to city's treble bid
Is the treble mathematical possible?
I think Evertons time is up in the Premier League. I just don't see where they are getting the points they need to stay up. Southampton as well. Then one from Leicester, Forest and Leeds.
Quote from: square_ball on April 27, 2023, 09:37:59 PM
I think Evertons time is up in the Premier League. I just don't see where they are getting the points they need to stay up. Southampton as well. Then one from Leicester, Forest and Leeds.
It looks like that.
Evertons remaining games are: Leicester(2-0), Brighton(4-1), Man City(1-1), Wolves(2-1), Bournemouth(0-3).
Previous seasons results in Brackets - all losses except for v Man City!
Isak dribbled past about 7 Everton players to assist Murphy for his goal (Of those 7 think he beat 2 of them twice). They look dead and buried - Between Leicester and Leeds for 3rd relegations spot for me. Saints and Everton gone imo
Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd and Spurs have been ever present in the top flight since i started watch English football in the late 70's!
Everton will surely be fcuked off the pitch if they are relegated. Shiny new stadium to pay for and no Premier League football.
I still dunno. Leics match crucial obvs.
But they play wolves and bournemouth when they likely have nothing to play for. Could 6 points do it? Maybe not...but if they bate Leics..
Arsenal and Everton the longest running teams in top Division methinks
The way this relegation dogfight has gone. Everton could easily win their next game and they are out of the bottom 3.
Frank Lampard has successfully put two clubs in the relegation frame this season, quite the achievement by the press's favourite English manager.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 27, 2023, 10:29:17 PM
Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd and Spurs have been ever present in the top flight since i started watch English football in the late 70's!
I think Everton have had the longest spell in the top flight
Bournemouth have been very impressive. They were in the bottom 3 but won 3 matches in their last 5 and look safe now.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 27, 2023, 11:59:08 PM
The way this relegation dogfight has gone. Everton could easily win their next game and they are out of the bottom 3.
Frank Lampard has successfully put two clubs in the relegation frame this season, quite the achievement by the press's favourite English manager.
That's the issue. They haven't looked like winning any games recently. But you're right that one or two wins and the whole thing looks totally different.
Lampard is totally out of his depth. Getting a free pass about it from the media.
Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2023, 07:46:30 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 27, 2023, 10:29:17 PM
Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd and Spurs have been ever present in the top flight since i started watch English football in the late 70's!
I think Everton have had the longest spell in the top flight
Bournemouth have been very impressive. They were in the bottom 3 but won 3 matches in their last 5 and look safe now.
As an Everton fan for many years I think they're relegated and with the current team there's no guarantee's they'd come back up any time soon.
They don't have the players to create chances with the amount of ball they have, easy to defend against, DCL had a good chance, was off balance when pulling the trigger, the other just offside, but offside nonetheless. The goal went straight in from a corner.
The defensive cornerstone that was allowing them to pick up the odd point is gone, torn to shreds, Fulham grabbed 3, Newcastle 4, and could have been much more.
Pickford, Onana and DCL will go in the summer, time they built on the young guns, Branthwaite is showing good stuff on loan, but there's interest from bigger clubs, Simms shows signs although a bit lazy for my liking but Moshiri's reign has been an abject disaster.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on April 27, 2023, 10:29:17 PM
Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd and Spurs have been ever present in the top flight since i started watch English football in the late 70's!
I think Everton have had the longest spell in the top flight
Bournemouth have been very impressive. They were in the bottom 3 but won 3 matches in their last 5 and look safe now.
As an Everton fan for many years I think they're relegated and with the current team there's no guarantee's they'd come back up any time soon.
They don't have the players to create chances with the amount of ball they have, easy to defend against, DCL had a good chance, was off balance when pulling the trigger, the other just offside, but offside nonetheless. The goal went straight in from a corner.
The defensive cornerstone that was allowing them to pick up the odd point is gone, torn to shreds, Fulham grabbed 3, Newcastle 4, and could have been much more.
Pickford, Onana and DCL will go in the summer, time they built on the young guns, Branthwaite is showing good stuff on loan, but there's interest from bigger clubs, Simms shows signs although a bit lazy for my liking but Moshiri's reign has been an abject disaster.
They need a new owner. They would still have big attendances. I wouldn't expect it to be long stay
Not looking good for the Toffees.
Poor running of the club off the pitch, terrible management appointments and brutal player recruitment for the past 10 years is finally catching up
Quite the game in the lunchtime kickoff.
3-2 after 35mins!
Palace above Chelsea...Woy doing quite the job
Klopp pulling the hammer going at the 4th official! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Souness and Stelling both retiring/leaving from Sky Sports.. Bit of an end of an era
Quote from: GJL on April 30, 2023, 06:29:53 PM
Klopp pulling the hammer going at the 4th official! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
His behaviour was disgraceful.
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 30, 2023, 09:13:40 PM
Souness and Stelling both retiring/leaving from Sky Sports.. Bit of an end of an era
Souness was a really god pundit
Leicester 2 Everton 1 in the relegation six pointer at half time tonight. Could be worse for Everton but for Pickford saving a penalty before the break. Bad news for them is a likely Long term injury for Séamus Coleman as was carried off on a stretcher.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2023, 08:57:56 PM
Leicester 2 Everton 1 in the relegation six pointer at half time tonight. Could be worse for Everton but for Pickford saving a penalty before the break. Bad news for them is a likely Long term injury for Séamus Coleman as was carried off on a stretcher.
Could be a career ender. Looked like a bad leg break. Poor guy.
Horrible looking injury. Hope he makes a speedy recovery.
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 01, 2023, 09:07:53 PM
Horrible looking injury. Hope he makes a speedy recovery.
At his age? No chance. I think that's a career ending injury
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Quote from: mrdeeds on May 01, 2023, 09:07:53 PM
Horrible looking injury. Hope he makes a speedy recovery.
At his age? No chance. I think that's a career ending injury
I meant in general not just for his career. Yeah looks like a career ender for sure.
Championship standard match this... Also Pickfords a hateful p***k
Tense
With the bottom 5, there is a sense of clubs running out of games rather than teams digging themselves out of this situation with wins.
Southampton. 1/66.
Leeds. 8/15.
Everton. 8/13.
Nottingham Forest. 8/11.
Leicester. 2/1.
West Ham. 33/1.
Chelsea. 250/1.
Wolves. 250/1.
35 got teams relegated in 21/22
28 in 20/21
34 in 19/20
34 in 18/19
33 in 17/18
34 in 16/17
37 in 15/16
35 in 14/15
Think it's between forest and Everton for the last spot. Leeds are in free fall.
Quote from: gawa316 on May 02, 2023, 12:30:59 AM
Think it's between forest and Everton for the last spot. Leeds are in free fall.
Forest are the only team in the bottom 5 with a game v Southampton.
Big Sam for Leeds?!
What a shambles....
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 02, 2023, 10:02:47 AM
Big Sam for Leeds?!
What a shambles....
They might as well imo. Have no chance with Gracia anyway so might as well go for it. Their last 4 games aren't pretty though.
Everton may actually get out of danger if they keep playing like they did last night. They can forget about the next 2 games (Brighton and City), but they may pick up points from their last 2 games against teams on the beach.
6 from 6 for Frank now...
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 02, 2023, 09:54:39 PM
6 from 6 for Frank now...
Frank Lampard Last 20 Games as manager : 1W 2D 17L
Surely he's not employable after this? I think six league but maybe fa cup or champions league another.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 02, 2023, 10:18:13 PM
Surely he's not employable after this? I think six league but maybe fa cup or champions league another.
You would think so...maybe drop down a division but then would he get the paycheck he would want?
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Quote from: imtommygunn on May 02, 2023, 10:18:13 PM
Surely he's not employable after this? I think six league but maybe fa cup or champions league another.
You would think so...maybe drop down a division but then would he get the paycheck he would want?
You think he needs a decent paycheque? Probably needs to try out being a pundit
Has lost 17 out of last 20 matches....
If top top bloke Lamps dropped a division he'd be shown up, unless Chelsea were willing to loan out serious young payers again.
All the poor Potter shite talk and you look at the team sheet. No excuse to be playing THAT badly.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 03, 2023, 09:30:28 AM
If top top bloke Lamps dropped a division he'd be shown up, unless Chelsea were willing to loan out serious young payers again.
All the poor Potter shite talk and you look at the team sheet. No excuse to be playing THAT badly.
Tbf he had a decent record at derby.
Saying that, I just don't think he has what it takes to be a Premier league manager. He is living on name and playing reputation
Quote from: smort on May 03, 2023, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 03, 2023, 09:30:28 AM
If top top bloke Lamps dropped a division he'd be shown up, unless Chelsea were willing to loan out serious young payers again.
All the poor Potter shite talk and you look at the team sheet. No excuse to be playing THAT badly.
Tbf he had a decent record at derby.
Saying that, I just don't think he has what it takes to be a Premier league manager. He is living on name and playing reputation
It was just ok. And his team included the likes of Mount and Tomori who were well above that level.
Garry Neville was completely laughed out of management forever and the same should happen here.
Quote from: smort on May 03, 2023, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 03, 2023, 09:30:28 AM
If top top bloke Lamps dropped a division he'd be shown up, unless Chelsea were willing to loan out serious young payers again.
All the poor Potter shite talk and you look at the team sheet. No excuse to be playing THAT badly.
Tbf he had a decent record at derby.
Saying that, I just don't think he has what it takes to be a Premier league manager. He is living on name and playing reputation
His record was worse at derby than it was in his first stint at chelsea. The average points per game was lower and he got sacked at chelsea though different demands I guess.
Fat Frank hasn't a notion. And he'll probably never manage again.
But Chelsea are a mess. A bigger mess than Utd ever where. Enzo Fernandes is contracted until 2030!! Never mind the on field problems and by God they have plenty, there are massive off field problems coming fast this summer. A huge fire sale for sure. How deep are Todd Boehly's pockets? Is he willing to write off half a billion? Will he dump in another 0.5b? It is entirely possible that they go bust.
An absolute shitshow.
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
Quote from: smort on May 03, 2023, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 03, 2023, 09:30:28 AM
If top top bloke Lamps dropped a division he'd be shown up, unless Chelsea were willing to loan out serious young payers again.
All the poor Potter shite talk and you look at the team sheet. No excuse to be playing THAT badly.
Tbf he had a decent record at derby.
Saying that, I just don't think he has what it takes to be a Premier league manager. He is living on name and playing reputation
He took Derby from 6th to 6th with a more talented squad
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
Everton have Brighton ,Man City, Wolves, Bournemouth
Forest have Southampton, Chelsea, Arsenal ,Crystal Palace
Leeds have Man City Newcastle West Ham, Tottenham
Leicester have Fulham, Liverpool, Newcastle, West Ham
Quote from: seafoid on May 03, 2023, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
Everton have Brighton ,Man City, Wolves, Bournemouth
Forest have Southampton, Chelsea, Arsenal ,Crystal Palace
Leeds have Man City Newcastle West Ham, Tottenham
Leicester have Fulham, Liverpool, Newcastle, West Ham
Those fighting the drop from those remaining games would be lucky to pick up 4 points
Quote from: seafoid on May 03, 2023, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
Everton have Brighton ,Man City, Wolves, Bournemouth
Forest have Southampton, Chelsea, Arsenal ,Crystal Palace
Leeds have Man City Newcastle West Ham, Tottenham
Leicester have Fulham, Liverpool, Newcastle, West Ham
Leeds look gone from their recent form and fixtures.
Everton, Forest & Leicester could pick up a few points
West Ham are only 4 points ahead of Leeds. Tottenham are very poor. Leeds may be okay
Big Sam quote today. Not lacking in confidence anyway.
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So weve Stephen Ireland sayin he was always got the better of Lampard/Scholes/Gerrard now big Sam out with this. Good craic these boys thats for sure 😃
Ireland played against Lampard 12 times and won two games. He faced Gerrard 11 times and never won a match, losing six times. He played against Scholes eight times and was on the winning side just once.
He always was a liar tbf
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
If he can get a tune out of Jack Harrison and Wilfried Gnonto he might pull it off against West Ham and Spurs
Quote from: seafoid on May 03, 2023, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
If he can get a tune out of Jack Harrison and Wilfried Gnonto he might pull it off against West Ham and Spurs
They've a bit of attacking flair alright, but their defence is worse than Evertons and hopefully that will be their downfall.
I'd say there's a load of Leeds fans with their head in their hands after Big Sam's outburst, setting himself up for the fail..
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2023, 08:22:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 03, 2023, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Can Big Sam save Leeds?
City and Newcastle up next for them...
They are lucky in that given the fixtures they may only need a few points.
If he can get a tune out of Jack Harrison and Wilfried Gnonto he might pull it off against West Ham and Spurs
They've a bit of attacking flair alright, but their defence is worse than Evertons and hopefully that will be their downfall.
I'd say there's a load of Leeds fans with their head in their hands after Big Sam's outburst, setting himself up for the fail..
Dunno. It's the sort of fighting spirit and confidence a team needs at this point of the season. 4 games means you've very little time to think about implementing systems or shape. This is about getting the 11 or 14 players on a Saturday to up their performance level. Cup tie sort of stuff. If he can inject that into this team and work ethic they might just get 1 or 2 results that keep them up. Tall ask I admit, but stranger things have happened.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 03, 2023, 06:21:03 PM
Big Sam quote today. Not lacking in confidence anyway.
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Dear oh dear.
Had the desired affect, everyone talking about 'Big Sam' players now have a bit of space and the chance to work away and attempt to get 4 points out of 4 games.
Everton have Brighton ,Man City, Wolves, Bournemouth - Maybe if Wolves are OK and Bournemouth are on the beach?
Forest have Southampton, Chelsea, Arsenal ,Crystal Palace - They can beat Southampton and an at the beach palace.
Leeds have Man City Newcastle West Ham, Tottenham - They are fooked!
Leicester have Fulham, Liverpool, Newcastle, West Ham - They might get something from Fulham and West Ham (if they are safe)
It's a great year down the wrong end of the table in fairness.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 04, 2023, 03:06:29 PM
Everton have Brighton ,Man City, Wolves, Bournemouth - Maybe if Wolves are OK and Bournemouth are on the beach?
Forest have Southampton, Chelsea, Arsenal ,Crystal Palace - They can beat Southampton and an at the beach palace.
Leeds have Man City Newcastle West Ham, Tottenham - They are fooked!
Leicester have Fulham, Liverpool, Newcastle, West Ham - They might get something from Fulham and West Ham (if they are safe)
It's a great year down the wrong end of the table in fairness.
Forest can definitely beat Chelsea who are the worst team in the league at the minute. Only for Tuchels form and Potters couple of results just before he got sacked they'd be going down. Leeds might get something against West Ham and Tottenham who'll likely be on the beach.
Wouldnt surprise me if Newcastle or Liverpool or even City dropped points against one of the lower teams.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 04, 2023, 03:06:29 PM
Everton have Brighton ,Man City, Wolves, Bournemouth - Maybe if Wolves are OK and Bournemouth are on the beach?
Forest have Southampton, Chelsea, Arsenal ,Crystal Palace - They can beat Southampton and an at the beach palace.
Leeds have Man City Newcastle West Ham, Tottenham - They are fooked!
Leicester have Fulham, Liverpool, Newcastle, West Ham - They might get something from Fulham and West Ham (if they are safe)
It's a great year down the wrong end of the table in fairness.
You also have to take form into account. Everton and Forest have 3 points from 18. Southampton have 1
Nobody bringing Chelsea into this conversation? They are only 9 points ahead of the drop and have 3 of the top 4 still to play.
They have 1 point from 15. Lampard seems incapable of winning a game.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2023, 05:55:58 PM
Nobody bringing Chelsea into this conversation? They are only 9 points ahead of the drop and have 3 of the top 4 still to play.
They have 1 point from 15. Lampard seems incapable of winning a game.
They are safe. You'd be looking at the 2 of the 4 relegation candidates winning 3 of their last 4 games. Not going to happen.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2023, 05:55:58 PM
Nobody bringing Chelsea into this conversation? They are only 9 points ahead of the drop and have 3 of the top 4 still to play.
They have 1 point from 15. Lampard seems incapable of winning a game.
They can't get relegated
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Excellent article in The Athletic on Clough today.
Also have one on the 1980 Copa Del Rey final.
It was Real Madrid v Real Madrid Castilla, their reserve team!
Good away win for Arsenal today, too little too late? Newcastle defeat good for Liverpool who should win their remaining three games.
I think it's been a Fantastic season for Manchester United, massive improvement by ETH after not spending much and having a wafer thin squad to work with.
Onwards and upwards after a good summer rest.
The players are just tired at this point and shouldn't read into the last few games too much, champions league football secured
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 07, 2023, 08:53:58 PM
I think it's been a Fantastic season for Manchester United, massive improvement by ETH after not spending much and having a wafer thin squad to work with.
Onwards and upwards after a good summer rest.
The players are just tired at this point and shouldn't read into the last few games too much, champions league football secured
Sorry what?
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 07, 2023, 08:53:58 PM
I think it's been a Fantastic season for Manchester United, massive improvement by ETH after not spending much and having a wafer thin squad to work with.
Onwards and upwards after a good summer rest.
The players are just tired at this point and shouldn't read into the last few games too much, champions league football secured
I think you re getting mixed up with the men's and the women's teams
Why are there matches on so early on a Monday? Just home from work and I see Everton Brighton about to start and Fulham and Leicester have already played.
Someone is either trying to be funny or just thick
Some start for Everton.
A win for Everton takes them out of bottom 3 but helps LFC in the European chase.....decisions, decisions ....
f**king hell 3-0 test everyone of those Everton players at half time
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 08, 2023, 05:49:59 PM
A win for Everton takes them out of bottom 3 but helps LFC in the European chase.....decisions, decisions ....
Not one but 3 teams imploding to give pool a place in champ s league.
Man U. Spurs and now Brighton
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2023, 05:36:27 PM
Someone is either trying to be funny or just thick
😁😁
Lot of bottle factories open this time of year
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 08, 2023, 05:49:59 PM
A win for Everton takes them out of bottom 3 but helps LFC in the European chase.....decisions, decisions ....
Not one but 3 teams imploding to give pool a place in champ s league.
Man U. Spurs and now Brighton
Similar happened in the 2020–21 season. Klopp a lucky general.
Everton 4-0 up now! 😮
And Brighton still have Arsenal, Newcastle and City to play!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 08, 2023, 06:53:18 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 08, 2023, 06:35:47 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 08, 2023, 05:49:59 PM
A win for Everton takes them out of bottom 3 but helps LFC in the European chase.....decisions, decisions ....
Not one but 3 teams imploding to give pool a place in champ s league.
Man U. Spurs and now Brighton
Similar happened in the 2020–21 season. Klopp a lucky general.
I still think it's too little too late this time around.
But at least they've something solid to work on for next year.
Arsenal will be hoping that Everton turns up for the match against Man City on Sunday.
Am i right in saying 5th, 6th are into the Europa league and 7th into the conference league?
Everton eh. Pure yite all year then go do that. Football eh!
Always liked mcneill but had seemed to go off the ball big time
They had scored 27 goals in the previous 34 matches before tonight!
I think that could leave them safe now. Not looking good for Leeds and Leicester
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 08, 2023, 08:09:36 PM
I think that could leave them safe now. Not looking good for Leeds and Leicester
32 isn't enough
Forest - Southampton is end to end
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2023, 08:18:33 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 08, 2023, 08:09:36 PM
I think that could leave them safe now. Not looking good for Leeds and Leicester
32 isn't enough
You're right but sitting with 32 and looking the fixtures that the bottom 5 have I think they are in a strong position. If Leeds were in that position I'd be breathing a lot easier I'll tell you that
Forest got the better of Southampton 4-3. That makes it 21 goals in todays 3 games. Forest and Everton gout out of the relegation places and with the games left I predict it will stay that way.
That would mean premier league winners Leicester would go down. Leeds als look to be doomed.
It's really hard to call this. Even Southampton scored 3.
Southampton,Leicester City and Leeds United are looking like the three to get relegated.
totally stunned by that Everton result. I thought they were doomed but who knows now. I cant call the last 2 to drop at all.
I'd like to think the Brighton stumble could give Villa hope of some sort of European finish but I think the brutal loss to Wolves at the weekend has put the nail in that coffin.
Far from over yet. Surely big sam will have some kind of impact too.
Burnley beat everton before and everyone thought they were home and dry then did they not get relegated?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 08, 2023, 11:14:44 PM
Southampton,Leicester City and Leeds United are looking like the three to get relegated.
It's too early I think If Everton and Forest were 6 points ahead of the drop zone it would be different but they aren't.
Who each team played in the last round of games was random. Same for the next 3 rounds.
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2023, 11:32:29 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 08, 2023, 11:14:44 PM
Southampton,Leicester City and Leeds United are looking like the three to get relegated.
It's too early I think If Everton and Forest were 6 points ahead of the drop zone it would be different but they aren't.
Who each team played in the last round of games was random. Same for the next 3 rounds.
Everton were hoping before tonight for two wins from their last 4 games. Last nights emphatic win is in bonus territory.
Away to Man City on Sunday was never going to be anything to count on, but then they've Wolves away and finish with Bournemouth at home on the last day.
Get something from Wolves and after last night that's a real possibility and then full tilt at Bournemouth who're on the beach already is doable.
Leicester have Liverpool, Newcastle and finish up with Westham, so might still be in with a shout on the last day.
Southampton have Fulham, Brighton and finally Liverpool, they need to pick up 3 wins and hope Everton don't get another point anywhere... They should be gone.
Leeds have Newcastle, Westham and finally Spurs, They've to pick up 3 more points than Everton do in the run in (Everton better goal difference) and 3 more than Forrest.
It's home to man city.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2023, 12:09:35 PM
It's home to man city.
Ok, that's another 3 points in the bag for Dyche's heros.
;D
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2023, 12:09:35 PM
It's home to man city.
Ok, that's another 3 points in the bag for Dyche's heros.
;D
just never know with Everton.
Having Mina and DCL fit makes a huge difference
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2023, 12:09:35 PM
It's home to man city.
Ok, that's another 3 points in the bag for Dyche's heros.
;D
;D
It
might make a difference although I don't think Dwight McNeil will ever play like that again for as long as he lives :D
Funny fixture that one. If Everton get tanked and some of the other challengers win then right back to square one.
We will have to support Liverpool in the next game which is never where you want to be ;)
A battling draw for Leeds however Big Sam will rue that penalty miss to put them 2-0 up and then Newcastle scored twice from penalties.
Title race if it wasn't already over is now with that set of results today.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 14, 2023, 06:33:18 PM
Title race if it wasn't already over is now with that set of results today.
Yeah it will be confirmed next Saturday or Sunday.
For sure
If Manchester City progress against Madrid this week the treble is all but theirs and it will have been more impressive than the treble of uniteds by some stretch.
That United team in the final won't lay a hand on them if city turn up in the form.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 14, 2023, 08:10:47 PM
For sure
If Manchester City progress against Madrid this week the treble is all but theirs and it will have been more impressive than the treble of uniteds by some stretch.
That United team in the final won't lay a hand on them if city turn up in the form.
Different eras and whatever Manchester City win is fairly hollow.
Aren't you an Arsenal supporter who should be more concerned about how Arsenal are going to lose this Premier league title with a few games to spare when it was Arsenal's title to lose.
As your namesake states that's fairly obvious with the smallest bit of on-forum research, correct captain.
You're turning to whataboutery, I seem to remember a Ten Haag team who were going to win the quad not long ago, then the treble! then the double.... Now
Good chance for Liverpool to boost the goal difference tonight. Leicester have been poor defensively all season.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 11:52:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2023, 11:32:29 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 08, 2023, 11:14:44 PM
Southampton,Leicester City and Leeds United are looking like the three to get relegated.
It's too early I think If Everton and Forest were 6 points ahead of the drop zone it would be different but they aren't.
Who each team played in the last round of games was random. Same for the next 3 rounds.
Everton were hoping before tonight for two wins from their last 4 games. Last nights emphatic win is in bonus territory.
Away to Man City on Sunday was never going to be anything to count on, but then they've Wolves away and finish with Bournemouth at home on the last day.
Get something from Wolves and after last night that's a real possibility and then full tilt at Bournemouth who're on the beach already is doable.
Leicester have Liverpool, Newcastle and finish up with Westham, so might still be in with a shout on the last day.
Southampton have Fulham, Brighton and finally Liverpool, they need to pick up 3 wins and hope Everton don't get another point anywhere... They should be gone.
Leeds have Newcastle, Westham and finally Spurs, They've to pick up 3 more points than Everton do in the run in (Everton better goal difference) and 3 more than Forrest.
Southampton gone, Sunak is a jinx unless it's his own personal finances....
Leicester beat and Leeds drawing whilst Everton expectedly got a trimming from City still leaves it tight in the bottom.
All three away this weekend, Leicester have the short straw at Newcastle who've still got something to play for, Everton away to Wolves who're safe but with DCL doubtful it's a blow to them, Leeds away to the Hammers, who are also safe on goal difference so might pick something up there as well.
It's all down to the final weekend with 2 from 3 going down, even if Arsenal do beat Forest and bring them into the mix..
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Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 11:52:24 AM
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 08, 2023, 11:14:44 PM
Southampton,Leicester City and Leeds United are looking like the three to get relegated.
It's too early I think If Everton and Forest were 6 points ahead of the drop zone it would be different but they aren't.
Who each team played in the last round of games was random. Same for the next 3 rounds.
Everton were hoping before tonight for two wins from their last 4 games. Last nights emphatic win is in bonus territory.
Away to Man City on Sunday was never going to be anything to count on, but then they've Wolves away and finish with Bournemouth at home on the last day.
Get something from Wolves and after last night that's a real possibility and then full tilt at Bournemouth who're on the beach already is doable.
Leicester have Liverpool, Newcastle and finish up with Westham, so might still be in with a shout on the last day.
Southampton have Fulham, Brighton and finally Liverpool, they need to pick up 3 wins and hope Everton don't get another point anywhere... They should be gone.
Leeds have Newcastle, Westham and finally Spurs, They've to pick up 3 more points than Everton do in the run in (Everton better goal difference) and 3 more than Forrest.
Southampton gone, Sunak is a jinx unless it's his own personal finances....
Leicester beat and Leeds drawing whilst Everton expectedly got a trimming from City still leaves it tight in the bottom.
All three away this weekend, Leicester have the short straw at Newcastle who've still got something to play for, Everton away to Wolves who're safe but with DCL doubtful it's a blow to them, Leeds away to the Hammers, who are also safe on goal difference so might pick something up there as well.
It's all down to the final weekend with 2 from 3 going down, even if Arsenal do beat Forest and bring them into the mix..
Leicester's body language yesterday indicated relegation. They have gone to 1/8 with the bookies
From BBC
Brentford striker Ivan Toney has been banned from football for eight months after he accepted breaking Football Association betting rules.
Toney has also been charged £50,000 and warned about his future conduct for 232 breaches of the FA's betting rules.
His suspension starts immediately, but the 27-year-old can return to training with Brentford four months before it ends on 17 September.
He will not be allowed to play again until 17 January, 2024.
The breaches Toney has been found guilty of took place between 25 February 2017 and 23 January 2021, during which time Toney represented Scunthorpe United, Wigan Athletic, Peterborough United and Brentford.
With all the talk of City/Madrid the play-offs might have slipped some people by. Luton Vs Coventry in playoff final. Good to have a different team coming up, after all Coventry been through past 10 years be nice to see them back in the prem
Have a soft spot for Coventry going back to the 87 cup final.
Fun Fact*: Luton Town are the only founder member of the Premier League who have never played in the Premier League.
*Might not actually be a Fun Fact
Quote from: pbat on May 18, 2023, 09:19:08 AM
Have a soft spot for Coventry going back to the 87 cup final.
Likewise. Mick Quinn the former postman. Big Steve Ogrizivic and Dave Bust who'd one of the worst injuries you'd ever see.
In school we would all have a '2nd' team instead of just solely Liverpool or United (Arsenal fans were a rare breed then, but often not too likeable!!). My second team was Wimbledon for years, and then a brief switch to Coventry. Now and again it would come up in pub talk, and names would pop up that would make you go 'Jesus, yeah'. It all feels so long ago now- remember Oxford in the top flight?
Bellingham going to Sunderland. bet no one saw that coming.
ha ha
Jobe not better than Jude after all then.
Quote from: Substandard on May 18, 2023, 01:25:28 PM
In school we would all have a '2nd' team instead of just solely Liverpool or United (Arsenal fans were a rare breed then, but often not too likeable!!). My second team was Wimbledon for years, and then a brief switch to Coventry. Now and again it would come up in pub talk, and names would pop up that would make you go 'Jesus, yeah'. It all feels so long ago now- remember Oxford in the top flight?
It's weird seeing Brentford in the Premier League
Newcastle United now just need three points in their remaining two games for Champions league football next season and they are playing Leicester City next. Just the start of the Newcastle United project another Manchester City in the making.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2023, 09:31:57 PM
Newcastle United now just need three points in their remaining two games for Champions league football next season and they are playing Leicester City next. Just the start of the Newcastle United project another Manchester City in the making.
Well, they've got a good manager which is is a big help.
99th minutes equalizer for Everton today, A result that might have Leeds some hope.
Forest survive. City buy another one.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 20, 2023, 07:33:55 PM
Forest survive. City buy another one.
City with title won with three games to spare when weeks ago it looked like Arsenal would push them all the way but their form turned for the worst. Good achievement for Forest to stay up.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 20, 2023, 05:19:27 PM
99th minutes equalizer for Everton today, A result that might have Leeds some hope.
Leeds should beat Spurs. I think Everton are still going down.
Newcastle secured because of goal difference so Liverpool still have a chance
Walked in during the Liverpool offside goal VAR review, so I'm assuming I missed something. But can anyone shed any light on why it take so long to review? The furthermost Liverpool player looked several feet offside.
Bournemouth and Nottingham Forest were both in the relegation zone not so long ago and are a long way from trouble.
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2023, 11:32:29 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 08, 2023, 11:14:44 PM
Southampton,Leicester City and Leeds United are looking like the three to get relegated.
It's too early I think If Everton and Forest were 6 points ahead of the drop zone it would be different but they aren't.
Who each team played in the last round of games was random. Same for the next 3 rounds.
Southampton gone, Leicester City will be gone tomorrow, Leeds as good as gone with that defeat today as Everton should at least draw at home to Bournemouth
Leeds having to play a poor Spurs side at home could be their saviour. Couldn't trust Everton to get a win.
A draw would do Everton though unless Leeds win by three or more.
Brighton have qualified for European football for the first time in the club's history. Huge achievement for the club, pound for pound the best footballing team in the Premier League.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 21, 2023, 04:37:53 PM
Brighton have qualified for European football for the first time in the club's history. Huge achievement for the club, pound for pound the best footballing team in the Premier League.
Agree, great to watch
Like man city but without the big names
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on May 21, 2023, 04:48:16 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 21, 2023, 04:37:53 PM
Brighton have qualified for European football for the first time in the club's history. Huge achievement for the club, pound for pound the best footballing team in the Premier League.
Agree, great to watch
Like man city but without the big names
Inevitably these teams get theirs assets stripped by the big boys.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 21, 2023, 05:06:51 PM
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 21, 2023, 04:37:53 PM
Brighton have qualified for European football for the first time in the club's history. Huge achievement for the club, pound for pound the best footballing team in the Premier League.
Agree, great to watch
Like man city but without the big names
Inevitably these teams get theirs assets stripped by the big boys.
MacAllister has terms agreed with Liverpool already and then Arsenal are after Caicedo.. United want Ferguson too but don't think he'll leave so young
Going by that first half Leicester players are as the saying goes this time of year on the beach already.
Quote from: square_ball on May 22, 2023, 09:03:43 PM
Going by that first half Leicester players are as the saying goes this time of year on the beach already.
Leicester nearly won it in the 92nd minute. Relegation battle down to the final day of the season.
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All 3 with very winnable games. All in Everton's hands now.
I have a soft spot for both Everton and Leicester. But one of them has to go down. That's a pity , but both teams (and Leeds) have had terrible seasons tbh
Everton will only stay up because the other teams down there are so bad
bournemouth have already given the Toffees two trimmings this season
The worry for Leicester and Leeds would be that Bournemouth are "on the beach". I would imagine there be a serious atmosphere at Goodison for this one. Everton will need DCL fit for this one as Simms and Maupay not up to it. Would expect Leicester to dispose of West Ham as their focus will be elsewhere and Leeds could well beat Spurs as they are awful. If Leicester go down be some good signings available in the summer Maddison, Barnes, Tielemens. Big mistake they made was not replacing Schmeichel Danny Ward and Iversen are championship keepers at best.
Sayin it was DCLs hammy the other day..if he missin could change things. Interesting...
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 23, 2023, 12:10:18 PM
Sayin it was DCLs hammy the other day..if he missin could change things. Interesting...
Michael Keane to be deployed then, he's as many goals and more assists than DCL...
Only joking, Everton need a big one and for Bournemouth not to give a shiny shíte..
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 20, 2023, 08:24:58 PM
Walked in during the Liverpool offside goal VAR review, so I'm assuming I missed something. But can anyone shed any light on why it take so long to review? The furthermost Liverpool player looked several feet offside.
That was a bit of an odd/interesting one.
Ball played to the back post where Diaz was onside and Virgil offside.
Diaz got to the ball and played it backwards across the goal. At this stage Virgil is behind Diaz but closer to the end line and not interfering.
Diaz's cross was intercepted by a Villa player around the peno spot who sent it towards the end line. By this stage Virgil was on the end line, and he sent it back into the danger area where Gakpo scored.
It came down to whether the Villa player deliberately played the ball, or whether it just hit off him and he wasn't in control. If he deliberately played the ball, then it's a new phase of play and Virgil would be onside (as can't be offside from defender's pass). However, if it was accidental / just a rebound, then it's still the same phase of play and while he wasn't interfering when Diaz played the ball, Virgil clearly interfers when he plays the ball so would be offside.
Officials decided eventually that the ball hit the Villa defender rather than the he deliberately played it, so offside was the decision.
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 23, 2023, 12:10:18 PM
Sayin it was DCLs hammy the other day..if he missin could change things. Interesting...
Michael Keane to be deployed then, he's as many goals and more assists than DCL...
Only joking, Everton need a big one and for Bournemouth not to give a shiny shíte..
Set up nicely for Sun. All 3 away teams could be on the subeds already but with the pressure off could actually improve some of them
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Walked in during the Liverpool offside goal VAR review, so I'm assuming I missed something. But can anyone shed any light on why it take so long to review? The furthermost Liverpool player looked several feet offside.
That was a bit of an odd/interesting one.
Ball played to the back post where Diaz was onside and Virgil offside.
Diaz got to the ball and played it backwards across the goal. At this stage Virgil is behind Diaz but closer to the end line and not interfering.
Diaz's cross was intercepted by a Villa player around the peno spot who sent it towards the end line. By this stage Virgil was on the end line, and he sent it back into the danger area where Gakpo scored.
It came down to whether the Villa player deliberately played the ball, or whether it just hit off him and he wasn't in control. If he deliberately played the ball, then it's a new phase of play and Virgil would be onside (as can't be offside from defender's pass). However, if it was accidental / just a rebound, then it's still the same phase of play and while he wasn't interfering when Diaz played the ball, Virgil clearly interfers when he plays the ball so would be offside.
Officials decided eventually that the ball hit the Villa defender rather than the he deliberately played it, so offside was the decision.
From watching it back on match of the day looked pretty clear that was a deliberate attempt to play the ball and goal should have stood. Liverpool left themselves too much to do and on balance united and newcastle deserve to be in the top 4.
Quote from: Hound on May 23, 2023, 01:49:41 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 20, 2023, 08:24:58 PM
Walked in during the Liverpool offside goal VAR review, so I'm assuming I missed something. But can anyone shed any light on why it take so long to review? The furthermost Liverpool player looked several feet offside.
That was a bit of an odd/interesting one.
Ball played to the back post where Diaz was onside and Virgil offside.
Diaz got to the ball and played it backwards across the goal. At this stage Virgil is behind Diaz but closer to the end line and not interfering.
Diaz's cross was intercepted by a Villa player around the peno spot who sent it towards the end line. By this stage Virgil was on the end line, and he sent it back into the danger area where Gakpo scored.
It came down to whether the Villa player deliberately played the ball, or whether it just hit off him and he wasn't in control. If he deliberately played the ball, then it's a new phase of play and Virgil would be onside (as can't be offside from defender's pass). However, if it was accidental / just a rebound, then it's still the same phase of play and while he wasn't interfering when Diaz played the ball, Virgil clearly interfers when he plays the ball so would be offside.
Officials decided eventually that the ball hit the Villa defender rather than the he deliberately played it, so offside was the decision.
Thanks Hound!
As a Villa supporter, i think it should have stood as a goal. Konsa does make an action to play the ball, albeit a poor one. I'm not as keen on the calls for a red card for Mings though. I thought a yellow was right.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 24, 2023, 09:04:41 AM
As a Villa supporter, i think it should have stood as a goal. Konsa does make an action to play the ball, albeit a poor one. I'm not as keen on the calls for a red card for Mings though. I thought a yellow was right.
I would agree with both points on this. I see very little difference between the Mings incident and the Jota high foot against Spurs and I did not think that was a red.
I think it was the comparative outrage on the two incidents which was more annoying, think Mings didnt even get shown on MOTD
Both Everton and Leeds were involved in the relegation story last season as well.
Hope Everton go down.
See Ivan Toney has cam out said has gambling addiction and was placing bets against Newcastle in games he wasn't involved in. You be fairly annoyed if you knew one of your own was backing against you. I recall listening to Niall McNamee before and whenever he raised issue with his addiction the counsellor told asked if he ever betted against self and he was annoyed with the comment but was told it was only a matter of time before he did this. Be interesting to know how the FA became aware of the goings on with Toney. Was thinking he could possibly have been a cheaper option that Kane/Osimhen for Man Utd but the fact hes banned to January probably rules that out.
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 11:24:54 AM
See Ivan Toney has cam out said has gambling addiction and was placing bets against Newcastle in games he wasn't involved in. You be fairly annoyed if you knew one of your own was backing against you. I recall listening to Niall McNamee before and whenever he raised issue with his addiction the counsellor told asked if he ever betted against self and he was annoyed with the comment but was told it was only a matter of time before he did this. Be interesting to know how the FA became aware of the goings on with Toney. Was thinking he could possibly have been a cheaper option that Kane/Osimhen for Man Utd but the fact hes banned to January probably rules that out.
Toney never bet against himself. The bets against Newcastle were not allowed, but still regarded at the lower end of the scale as his bets had no impact on the result. The bets that got the long ban were the ones on matches he was playing - all such bets being on himself to score.
Seems quite a harsh ban, especially as so much gambling promotion and adverts in the premier league.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 07:52:58 PM
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7BNu-Sb7q4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7BNu-Sb7q4)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 07:52:58 PM
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
Luton back in the big time. I remember collecting the Panini stickers back in the day when they had the likes of Mal Donaghy , Big mick harford, one of the Steins, and another big fella with the headband (name escapes me). Ah, Simpler times.
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 27, 2023, 11:38:14 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 07:52:58 PM
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
Luton back in the big time. I remember collecting the Panini stickers back in the day when they had the likes of Mal Donaghy , Big mick harford, one of the Steins, and another big fella with the headband (name escapes me). Ah, Simpler times.
Steve Foster
Did Les Sealey not move from Luton to United?
Ricky Hill
2 Steins. Brian and Mark
Beat Arsenal in Littlewoods Cup final or whatever she was called
The plastic pitch
Jumpers for goalposts. Happy times 😃
Barry Horne
Gareth Farrelly
DOUCOURE!!
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 27, 2023, 11:38:14 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 07:52:58 PM
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
Luton back in the big time. I remember collecting the Panini stickers back in the day when they had the likes of Mal Donaghy , Big mick harford, one of the Steins, and another big fella with the headband (name escapes me). Ah, Simpler times.
Is it still Kenilworth Road? Is it still an artificial surface ?
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2023, 06:40:59 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 27, 2023, 11:38:14 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 07:52:58 PM
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
Luton back in the big time. I remember collecting the Panini stickers back in the day when they had the likes of Mal Donaghy , Big mick harford, one of the Steins, and another big fella with the headband (name escapes me). Ah, Simpler times.
Is it still Kenilworth Road? Is it still an artificial surface ?
Yes. No.
Have to spend £10mil to get it up to scratch for the Premier League.
New stadium being developed, but won't be ready until the following season.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 07:52:58 PM
Little Luton into the Premier League via a sudden death penalty shootout. Will their pitch be big enough for the Premier league?
Luton back in the big time. I remember collecting the Panini stickers back in the day when they had the likes of Mal Donaghy , Big mick harford, one of the Steins, and another big fella with the headband (name escapes me). Ah, Simpler times.
Is it still Kenilworth Road? Is it still an artificial surface ?
Yes. No.
Have to spend £10mil to get it up to scratch for the Premier League.
New stadium being developed, but won't be ready until the following season.
Steve Foster?
I suppose it's the Monaghan in me but usually I'm an avid follower of the last round of the EPL season, those games affecting who gets relegated. It's popcorn munching time. This year it hardly registered a blip in among a classic weekend of televised GAA sport.
Lingard released from Forest. Givin Dele Alli a run for his money. Same time nice wage packet for doin v little if ye can get away with it
Friday, 11 August
Burnley v Manchester City (20:00 BST - live on Sky Sports)
Saturday, 12 August
Arsenal v Nottingham Forest (12:30 - live on TNT Sports)
Bournemouth v West Ham (15:00)
Brighton v Luton Town (15:00)
Everton v Fulham (15:00)
Sheffield United v Crystal Palace (15:00)
Newcastle United v Aston Villa (17:30 - live on Sky Sports)
Sunday, 13 August
Brentford v Tottenham Hotspur (14:00 - live on Sky Sports)
Chelsea v Liverpool (16:30 - live on Sky Sports)
Monday, 14 August
Manchester United v Wolverhampton Wanderers (20:00 - live on Sky Sports)
First round of fixtures announced won't be long coming around again. City going to Kompany's Burnley will be interesting start should be a great atmosphere at Turf Moor on a Friday night. Will also be interesting to see how City start, the pretenders will be hoping they have a slow start similar to Liverpool the previous season after their long season.
Standout game Chelsea V Liverpool difficult to say what type of side Chelsea will have out the talk at the minute Arsenal interested in Havertz and the figure quoted 75 million think Arsenal could be spending that money elsewhere and Mount likely to leave also.
Newcastle Villa an interesting game Newcastle should add to the squad and Enery has done a fantastic job in short time there. Tough start for Ange, be interesting to see how Brentford go without Toney
Thankfully without the whiny tones of Martin Tyler
Gary O'Neil sacked by Bournemouth. That is incredibly harsh. Done a superb job to keep Bournemouth up.
Quote from: square_ball on June 19, 2023, 12:39:25 PM
Gary O'Neil sacked by Bournemouth. That is incredibly harsh. Done a superb job to keep Bournemouth up.
There was a report last week about an unnamed premier league boss being investigated for something unsavoury, I wonder if they are related
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Quote from: square_ball on June 19, 2023, 12:39:25 PM
Gary O'Neil sacked by Bournemouth. That is incredibly harsh. Done a superb job to keep Bournemouth up.
There was a report last week about an unnamed premier league boss being investigated for something unsavoury, I wonder if they are related
Its highly bizarre that he got the boot after keeping them up pretty comfortably.
Chelsea pulling some move off loading all these players to SA. Clearlake who invested in Chelsea, manage billions for PIF. Complete shit show what is being allowed to happen.
It's hard to know where this whole influx of Emirates money is going to end. The reported salaries being paid to entice players to play in Saudi Arabia is mind boggling and it all appears to be part of the Saudi bid for the World Cup in 2030. Emirate nation states flexing their financial muscle as a form of soft power with related European clubs now trying to get around FFP by processing related party transfers via over inflated transfer deals. Ethics has long gone out the window in professional football as it is just constantly sold to the highest bidder no matter where the source of the funds originate from. Its a shit show.
Let's be honest. 50% of the players in the EPL are not there for the good of their health. The money is better than Italy and most of Spain who also have serious football heritage.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 22, 2023, 10:34:28 PM
Let's be honest. 50% of the players in the EPL are not there for the good of their health. The money is better than Italy and most of Spain who also have serious football heritage.
The standards in LaLiga in last few years has dropped and Serie A has been been poor for a long time now.
What is happening in the Middle East is akin to what happened when the PL was launched.
Back then crazy money was being thrown at foreign players to come to the PL and the rest suffered.
Those in the PL can hardly complain when someone else does it.
The hypocrisy of Neville/Carragher is laughable considering the company who pay them handsomely were involved in all of this 30 years ago
Arsenal now have a 105 million pound bid in for Declan Rice and City have said ok you can have him. Were Man City ever really interested? They drove the price up on their rivals Arsenal and even though they have a lot more money droped out of the bidding first.
Rice is not worth all that money. He is worth about 70 million. The extra you have to pay for top English players is not worth it.
That sort of money for a primarily Defensive Midfielder is desperate
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 28, 2023, 08:07:47 PM
Arsenal now have a 105 million pound bid in for Declan Rice and City have said ok you can have him. Were Man City ever really interested? They drove the price up on their rivals Arsenal and even though they have a lot more money droped out of the bidding first.
Rice is not worth all that money. He is worth about 70 million. The extra you have to pay for top English players is not worth it.
I think Maddison at £40 million represents good value in current market gets plenty of goals and assists. If I was offered him at that price or Mount with a year left on contract at £60 million i know what I would take. But yes, generally the price of English players scandalous.
Rice is limited , an average enough player.
Keane was correct a while ago , saying he doesn't really stand out or dominate in a bad team.
£105m is madness , but then the money in football is madness
Arsenal are banking on Rice's leadership attitude and qualities. In fairness that's hard enough come by nowadays. Games away to the Manchester and Liverpool clubs is where the league is won and lost. They'll be hoping he can set the tone and compliment the talented attacking players.
I've never really got Rice. He's perfectly competent at everything, but doesn't excel at anything. Hence West Ham have been competent at midfield rather than dominant. Hence why England have been competent at midfield rather than dominant. He doesn't have the raw athleticism to go up another gear in terms of a physical presence. So any improvement from here has to be on the mental side of things. It's one hell of a punt from Arsenal at £105m that this might happen.
And with their history with big money signings, it doesn't bode well.
Maddison is a great signing at £40m for Spurs considering the price of players these days. I think I read somewhere Leicester are up shit creek in terms of finances so maybe that played a part.
Quote from: square_ball on June 28, 2023, 11:33:09 PM
Maddison is a great signing at £40m for Spurs considering the price of players these days. I think I read somewhere Leicester are up shit creek in terms of finances so maybe that played a part.
Relegation.
Where are spurs gonna play him? They have Son, Kane and Richarldson up top. Is he gonna play further back?
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2023, 01:54:03 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 28, 2023, 11:33:09 PM
Maddison is a great signing at £40m for Spurs considering the price of players these days. I think I read somewhere Leicester are up shit creek in terms of finances so maybe that played a part.
Relegation.
Where are spurs gonna play him? They have Son, Kane and Richarldson up top. Is he gonna play further back?
4-2-3-1 Kulesevski Maddison Son playing behind Kane. Richarlison was one of the worst signings of last year and wouldn't be an automatic starter. Spurs been crying out for this type of player since Eriksen left and Alli fell off a cliff.
Surely Kane is finally leaving though?
Quote from: J70 on June 29, 2023, 02:14:52 PM
Surely Kane is finally leaving though?
Richarlison up front it is then lol
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He was 16, I'd give him a break
Chelsea have offloaded goalie Edouard Mendy to Saudi Arabia. I thought he was a top keeper and better than Kepa Arrizabalaga who cost a lot more. As a Liverpool fan I am happy to see Mendy gone
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 01, 2023, 12:03:15 AM
Chelsea have offloaded goalie Edouard Mendy to Saudi Arabia. I thought he was a top keeper and better than Kepa Arrizabalaga who cost a lot more. As a Liverpool fan I am happy to see Mendy gone
Thought that was a strange one myself...maybe they need to balance the books so had no choice?
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Quote from: Capt Pat on July 01, 2023, 12:03:15 AM
Chelsea have offloaded goalie Edouard Mendy to Saudi Arabia. I thought he was a top keeper and better than Kepa Arrizabalaga who cost a lot more. As a Liverpool fan I am happy to see Mendy gone
Thought that was a strange one myself...maybe they need to balance the books so had no choice?
pretty much i'd say
Boys this whole league has gone to $hit. The money has gone to a new level again. Love to see the whole thing crash
Quote from: An Watcher on July 01, 2023, 07:31:37 AM
Boys this whole league has gone to $hit. The money has gone to a new level again. Love to see the whole thing crash
It's madness. When Abramovich first came to Chelsea he bought 11 good players for £120m. Now Arsenal have spent £165m on 2. Surely it has to go pop at some stage?
The Saudi league will surely impact it??
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2023, 08:41:33 AM
The Saudi league will surely impact it??
How much money do those bastards have? 100's of millions being thrown at average players now. Unreal
Quote from: An Watcher on July 01, 2023, 07:31:37 AM
Boys this whole league has gone to $hit. The money has gone to a new level again. Love to see the whole thing crash
Football needs a big economic crash to sort it out. It's gotten ridiculous. I mean Declan Rice £105m? De Gea on 375k a week? It's madness
Bring me back to the days of Saint and greavsie where 99% of players were from Britain or Ireland (with the odd scandanavian thrown in) , and you could pronounce their names , and ordinary folk could afford to go to games
It's neoliberalism. It is unstoppable until it blows up
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2023, 10:47:59 AM
It's neoliberalism. It is unstoppable until it blows up
Oh neoliberalism, I've missed you!
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2023, 08:41:33 AM
The Saudi league will surely impact it??
How much money do those bastards have? 100's of millions being thrown at average players now. Unreal
Their money flows out of the ground every minute. No work required on their part.
i dont have any smypathy for european teams moaning about saudi money european clubs raided south ameican clubs for years and destroyed club football in south america before that the best teams in south america were probably just as good as the european clubs.
Quote from: Eire90 on July 04, 2023, 05:04:56 PM
i dont have any smypathy for european teams moaning about saudi money european clubs raided south ameican clubs for years and destroyed club football in south america before that the best teams in south america were probably just as good as the european clubs.
Exactly this.
Suck it up European peeps...
Great time to be a footballer though, even average enough lads (all relative) will be pulling in some dough which is better than lads knocking their balls out for years in the hope that a testimonial game raises enough money for them to buy a pub or the likes.
Are European clubs moaning? Saudis pumping more liquidity in to their system , while taking mostly aging players. Chelsea's rebuild would not be possible without the Saudi league buying all their unwanted players for crazy sums.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2023, 10:06:42 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2023, 08:41:33 AM
The Saudi league will surely impact it??
How much money do those bastards have? 100's of millions being thrown at average players now. Unreal
The Saudi's are going to distort wages and transfer fees across Europe. They have Trillions of dollars to throw at this. Who can blame players taking the money?
Quote from: shark on July 04, 2023, 05:11:13 PM
Are European clubs moaning? Saudis pumping more liquidity in to their system , while taking mostly aging players. Chelsea's rebuild would not be possible without the Saudi league buying all their unwanted players for crazy sums.
That is very dodgy dealing the Chelsea owner has links to some of these funders apparently.
Just three of the Chelsea 2021 Champions league winning team remain at the club.
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Just three of the Chelsea 2021 Champions league winning team remain at the club.
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In just two years!
How long more will Thiago Silva be there?
Crazy money for Rice but for one English club to buy an English International from another English club is not a normal market.
Although Mason Mount looking like a bargain now.
Seems to be the more the press talk about them the higher the price goes. Rice is flavour of the month at the moment, maybe I'm wrong but I don't see it and definitely don't see it to £100m level.
The market is crazy but I think West Ham have come out of this deal on the right side.
The Gary Neville interview Dele Alli is a powerful and tough interview. Suppose I was one to judge his lifestyle and fall off in form without knowing what has happened to him.
Mendy found not guilty of rape
Tut tut
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/14/manchester-united-fined-uefa-financial-fair-play-breaches
There most be a hell of a lot more than those clubs? City must own the governing bodies
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2023, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2023, 10:47:59 AM
It's neoliberalism. It is unstoppable until it blows up
Oh neoliberalism, I've missed you!
It's going to bring you a recession shortly, Milltown. It'll be hilarious.
Quote from: seafoid on July 15, 2023, 01:53:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2023, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2023, 10:47:59 AM
It's neoliberalism. It is unstoppable until it blows up
Oh neoliberalism, I've missed you!
It's going to bring you a recession shortly, Milltown. It'll be hilarious.
Been in a recession since mid 2000's but I'm doing fine, as it seems most people who are filling my fb feeds of people on holidays!
As long as it's not as bad as the south during the 70's early 80's ;D
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2023, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2023, 10:47:59 AM
It's neoliberalism. It is unstoppable until it blows up
Oh neoliberalism, I've missed you!
It's going to bring you a recession shortly, Milltown. It'll be hilarious.
Good for you
Been in a recession since mid 2000's but I'm doing fine, as it seems most people who are filling my fb feeds of people on holidays!
As long as it's not as bad as the south during the 70's early 80's ;D
rickie lambert and matt le tissier withdraw consent to be ruled by british government
How does that work? Is it like the US "Straw Man" conspiracy theory?
Quote from: Eire90 on July 16, 2023, 02:24:11 AM
rickie lambert and matt le tissier withdraw consent to be ruled by british government
Headed too many balls over the years ???
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66244696
It's mad the amount of players heading to the Saudi League.
Will it get to the point where they'll be let into the champions league?( Well , Israeli teams are in it). Or will we get a weekly highlights show from the Saudi league?
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 20, 2023, 05:21:15 PM
It's mad the amount of players heading to the Saudi League.
Will it get to the point where they'll be let into the champions league?( Well , Israeli teams are in it). Or will we get a weekly highlights show from the Saudi league?
Weekly highlights show and the Club World Cup is being expanded to 32 teams that will happen in 2025 so would expect that Saudi teams will get a fair number of teams in it. Played in June-July months and happens every 4 years
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 20, 2023, 05:21:15 PM
It's mad the amount of players heading to the Saudi League.
Will it get to the point where they'll be let into the champions league?( Well , Israeli teams are in it). Or will we get a weekly highlights show from the Saudi league?
Sure Qatar competed in the Concacaf Gold Cup in 2021 and 2023 for Central and North American Countries. That meant that one less country from that area got to qualify for that tournament.
I suppose its like Australia competing in Eurovision.
Quote from: Eire90 on July 16, 2023, 02:24:11 AM
rickie lambert and matt le tissier withdraw consent to be ruled by british government
So what's the next step for them?
Picket parliament?
Withhold taxes?
Set up in a Walking Dead-type compound in the woods somewhere, armed to the teeth, daring the government to come at them, like those halfwit militia goons in America in the 90s and since?
Looked it up there.
I see they're quoting Jefferson f**king Davis, president of the Confederacy, as inspiration.
Good luck with that... I guess.:o ;D
I see there was a podcast with them two and James Beattie. I'm sure Beattie was delighted to be roped into their batshit crazy theories ;D
Predictions
1. Man City
2. Man Utd
3. Arsenal
4. Liverpool
18. Sheffield Utd
19. Wolves
20. Luton
1st Man City
2nd Arsenal
3rd Liverpool
4th Man Utd
I think Arsenal and Liverpool will be well in the title race with 5 or so games left until the City machine goes into overdrive.
18th Wolves
19th Luton
20th Sheff Utd (record low points)
As things stand right now, assuming no further transfer moves...
Same top 4, same order as last season.
Will revisit at end of transfer window.
Quote from: J70 on August 09, 2023, 07:35:33 PM
As things stand right now, assuming no further transfer moves...
Same top 4, same order as last season.
Will revisit at end of transfer window.
Can't see it.
3 of the top 4 last season had no CL football. And none of those have added significant depth to their squads.
Chelsea and Spurs in particular have a clear run at league football for 90% of the coming season.
1 Liverpool
2 City
3 United
4 Chelsea
Liverpool are back on their good year. One year good one year bad. They will finish well ahead of United and Arsenal. City will miss Gundogan and Mahrez and may come down a bit from the high of the treble.
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 09, 2023, 10:24:23 PM
1 Liverpool
2 City
3 United
4 Chelsea
Liverpool are back on their good year. One year good one year bad. They will finish well ahead of United and Arsenal. City will miss Gundogan and Mahrez and may come down a bit from the high of the treble.
Liverpool have lost a lot of experience. Still haggling over the 50 m for lavia. Other years Liverpool had the business done early. United will get better this season.
1 City
2. Liverpool
3. Utd
4 Arsenal
18 Sheff Utd
19 Nottm For
20 Luton
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2023, 11:17:21 PM
1 City
2. Liverpool
3. Utd
4 Arsenal
18 Sheff Utd
19 Nottm For
20 Luton
You're quare craic.
1 - Arsenal
2 - City
3 - United
4 - Liverpool (If they get a CDM, Chelsea in 4th if they don't)
18 - Everton
19 - Luton
20 - Sheff United
Spurs agree a deal with Bayern then for Kane.
Probably better to rip the sticking plaster off now for Spurs than let him leave for nothing next summer. A bit shocked he is going to Bayern given he is so close to the goal scoring record.
I still see him as not going but surely Munich have been given assurance before bidding that amount. Some money for a lad of his age with 1 year left on his contract
I think we could have a 3 way battle for the title this season between City Arsenal and Liverpool with 4th place between Manchester United, Chelsea and Newcastle.
Can't see Luton Town staying up, also think Wolves and maybe Sheffield United to join them.
A surprise package this season could be Aston Villa.
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I still see him as not going but surely Munich have been given assurance before bidding that amount. Some money for a lad of his age with 1 year left on his contract
Yeah that's my thinking too. This has been ongoing all summer. Surely in that time they'd have sounded Kane out if he was interested in going. I wouldn't be surprised one way or the other the way it finishes up.
Quote from: jcpen on August 10, 2023, 01:23:07 PM
I think we could have a 3 way battle for the title this season between City Arsenal and Liverpool with 4th place between Manchester United, Chelsea and Newcastle.
Can't see Luton Town staying up, also think Wolves and maybe Sheffield United to join them.
A surprise package this season could be Aston Villa.
Can't see Liverpool being in the mix, if they had sorted out another defender and defensive midfielder possibly but think they will concede too many. As good as any team in the division in the forward positions.
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Quote from: jcpen on August 10, 2023, 01:23:07 PM
I think we could have a 3 way battle for the title this season between City Arsenal and Liverpool with 4th place between Manchester United, Chelsea and Newcastle.
Can't see Luton Town staying up, also think Wolves and maybe Sheffield United to join them.
A surprise package this season could be Aston Villa.
Can't see Liverpool being in the mix, if they had sorted out another defender and defensive midfielder possibly but think they will concede too many. As good as any team in the division in the forward positions.
Yeah I've been thinking the same, this could be the year they fall back.
To be fair one PL title for the mentality monsters was some going ;) ;) ;)
That being said if they invest late in the window in a DMF and CH I think it could make all the difference to their season.
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I think we could have a 3 way battle for the title this season between City Arsenal and Liverpool with 4th place between Manchester United, Chelsea and Newcastle.
Can't see Luton Town staying up, also think Wolves and maybe Sheffield United to join them.
A surprise package this season could be Aston Villa.
Villa touted to do well but i still suspect that anywhere from 10th-7th would be a good season, with a decent run in a cup or Europe.
I dont see Liverpool in a battle for the title at the moment, barring some good signings.
I honestly think liverpool will be lucky to get top 4.
They have a bad season then a great one lately so top 3 for me
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2023, 02:54:39 PM
I honestly think liverpool will be lucky to get top 4.
I guess we'll have to wait and see. Either way one of us will be right and one of us will be wrong!
At least its a 2 horse race in scotland
🤭😂😂
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At least its a 2 horse race in scotland
Is that league not wrapped up already?
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2023, 02:54:39 PM
I honestly think liverpool will be lucky to get top 4.
I guess we'll have to wait and see. Either way one of us will be right and one of us will be wrong!
Yep - if you don't get a defensive midfielder I will be right but maybe you will!
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2023, 02:54:39 PM
I honestly think liverpool will be lucky to get top 4.
They were very poor by their standards last season and still nearly made top 4. Some strong signings and Diaz and Jota back from injury who are very important to their set up. A top defensive midfielder and they can challenge City imo, I think they are nailed on for top 4.
Liverpool scored 18 and conceded 11 in 5 preseason games...currently very good going forward, currently not very good at the other end. DM is essential at this stage
BBC Sport pundits have their say.
All bar one has gone for Man City to win the league. Most think Arsenal will finish 2nd again.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66434067
The PL is a foregone conclusion . Man City , or the "stated sponsored Death Star" , as Barry Glendinning calls them, will ease to it again
Arsenal probably the best of the also rans. Maybe Liverpool if they get their act together. and their new signings click quickly. Man Utd , it'll be more of the same I feel - mediocre
Thank christ we've the Scottish Prem 😆
Looks like Kane does go then. I'm a little surprised by that. Shearer breathes a big sigh of relief.
Caicedo 110m! wow.
Big pressure now on Liverpool to compete for the title after their spending during the summer if the Caceido deal goes through. Looking forward to the season ahead should be interesting towards the top end anyway.
Looks like Caicedo doesn't want to go to Liverpool.
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Looks like Caicedo doesn't want to go to Liverpool.
Why, (if true) would he prefer Chelsea? strange
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Looks like Caicedo doesn't want to go to Liverpool.
Why, (if true) would he prefer Chelsea? strange
Money, Money Money!! Money
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Looks like Caicedo doesn't want to go to Liverpool.
Why, (if true) would he prefer Chelsea? strange
Money, Money Money!! Money
Has Klopp lost his pulling power? Surely Liverpool. bar the city and extra wages, is a far better choice?
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Looks like Caicedo doesn't want to go to Liverpool.
Why, (if true) would he prefer Chelsea? strange
Money, Money Money!! Money
Has Klopp lost his pulling power? Surely Liverpool. bar the city and extra wages, is a far better choice?
It wouldn't be the first time money and London proved a bigger draw than Anfield.
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Looks like Caicedo doesn't want to go to Liverpool.
Why, (if true) would he prefer Chelsea? strange
Money, Money Money!! Money
Has Klopp lost his pulling power? Surely Liverpool. bar the city and extra wages, is a far better choice?
I think you've answered your own question. These lads will ultimately go to where they can earn the most money and Boehlys pockets are ultimately deeper than Henrys. Professional soccer might be supported by the working class but its really just a playground for the very wealthy. Or with the nation states its a form of soft power. Its bizarre how fans lose the run of themselves over potential transfer deals with their English team of choice.
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Looks like Caicedo doesn't want to go to Liverpool.
Why, (if true) would he prefer Chelsea? strange
Money, Money Money!! Money
Has Klopp lost his pulling power? Surely Liverpool. bar the city and extra wages, is a far better choice?
He has been set on going to Chelsea since May when they agreed personal terms,just couldn't agree on a fee with Brighton
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Looks like Caicedo doesn't want to go to Liverpool.
Why, (if true) would he prefer Chelsea? strange
Money, Money Money!! Money
Has Klopp lost his pulling power? Surely Liverpool. bar the city and extra wages, is a far better choice?
He has been set on going to Chelsea since May when they agreed personal terms,just couldn't agree on a fee with Brighton
It's embarrassing from a Liverpool standpoint. You'd have thought they'd have sounded out his representatives before launching a British transfer record bid. It's really amateur. The kind of thing Utd and that w**ker Woodward would have been at.
And now the cat is out of the bag... every deal they do will carry a Liverpool tax. This will end up costing them in the long run a huge amount of money.
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Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2023, 11:51:06 AM
Looks like Caicedo doesn't want to go to Liverpool.
Why, (if true) would he prefer Chelsea? strange
Money, Money Money!! Money
Has Klopp lost his pulling power? Surely Liverpool. bar the city and extra wages, is a far better choice?
He has been set on going to Chelsea since May when they agreed personal terms,just couldn't agree on a fee with Brighton
It's embarrassing from a Liverpool standpoint. You'd have thought they'd have sounded out his representatives before launching a British transfer record bid. It's really amateur. The kind of thing Utd and that w**ker Woodward would have been at.
And now the cat is out of the bag... every deal they do will carry a Liverpool tax. This will end up costing them in the long run a huge amount of money.
Looks like Chelsea are confident of getting Caicedo now, they've stalled on Tyler Adams and him with the medical concluded!
This looks like amateur hour from Liverpool who used to be on top of this sort of stuff, not getting into bidding wars and all that, biding their time like with Virgil..
It's some spending by Chelsea since January. They offloaded a few this summer,but Enzo Fernandez and Caicedo will have cost over 200m.
I've only seen him in a handful of full games, but Caicedo in my opinion is at most a 40 mill midfielder. Transfer market in football has become ridiculous.
Quote from: 03,05,08 on August 11, 2023, 03:51:23 PM
I've only seen him in a handful of full games, but Caicedo in my opinion is at most a 40 mill midfielder. Transfer market in football has become ridiculous.
Brighton have done really well if they get £100 m. They got him for £4 m so a good bit of business.
Seems to be a well run club. Buy in cheaper, develop a player for a couple of years and shift on for big money.
£111 m is some amount for a 21 year old.
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Quote from: 03,05,08 on August 11, 2023, 03:51:23 PM
I've only seen him in a handful of full games, but Caicedo in my opinion is at most a 40 mill midfielder. Transfer market in football has become ridiculous.
Brighton have done really well if they get £100 m. They got him for £4 m so a good bit of business.
Seems to be a well run club. Buy in cheaper, develop a player for a couple of years and shift on for big money.
£111 m is some amount for a 21 year old.
I would say you can only do it for so long, as Leicester & Southampton found out
As others have said that does seem mad money for him. Like Chelsea are no barometer for anyone in terms of fees they are offering. Like Cucurella was sold for big money and Bissouma and neither were missed by Brighton, and neither are doing great at their new clubs.
As for Kane it is funny they are chatting about records. Spurs are in transition yet again as his peak years fade. He can go yo Bayern and actually compete. Also, from an England point of view he won't need to rushed back after every niggle with Bayern. Spurs flogged him as he HAD to play chasing a top 4.
Liverpool are fecked if any of Trent, Robertson or VVD get injured. I mean it'll derail their entire season. It's another area where they have not strengthened and somehow they seem overloaded up front.
From an Irish perspective I'm looking forward to O'Shea nailing down a spot in Burnley and hopefully some good runs for Collins and Ogbene. Wolves could be a shitshow but Doherty could get minutes too.
Embarrassing or not for Liverpool, surely they are better off not having him if he doesn't want to be there?
Di Maria for example admitted a few years after he left Man United that he never wanted to play for them and he was an expensive flop there.
Quote from: jcpen on August 11, 2023, 05:02:11 PM
Embarrassing or not for Liverpool, surely they are better off not having him if he doesn't want to be there?
Di Maria for example admitted a few years after he left Man United that he never wanted to play for them and he was an expensive flop there.
Absolutley !
Enough players who can't play , never mind getting more who don't want to play ;)
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Looks like Caicedo doesn't want to go to Liverpool.
Why, (if true) would he prefer Chelsea? strange
Money, Money Money!! Money
Has Klopp lost his pulling power? Surely Liverpool. bar the city and extra wages, is a far better choice?
He has been set on going to Chelsea since May when they agreed personal terms,just couldn't agree on a fee with Brighton
It's embarrassing from a Liverpool standpoint. You'd have thought they'd have sounded out his representatives before launching a British transfer record bid. It's really amateur. The kind of thing Utd and that w**ker Woodward would have been at.
And now the cat is out of the bag... every deal they do will carry a Liverpool tax. This will end up costing them in the long run a huge amount of money.
At this stage I hope he doesn't come to Liverpool. I didnt think he was worth the insane money being offered and if he doesn't want to be there well then...
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 11, 2023, 04:33:19 PM
As others have said that does seem mad money for him. Like Chelsea are no barometer for anyone in terms of fees they are offering. Like Cucurella was sold for big money and Bissouma and neither were missed by Brighton, and neither are doing great at their new clubs.
As for Kane it is funny they are chatting about records. Spurs are in transition yet again as his peak years fade. He can go yo Bayern and actually compete. Also, from an England point of view he won't need to rushed back after every niggle with Bayern. Spurs flogged him as he HAD to play chasing a top 4.
Liverpool are fecked if any of Trent, Robertson or VVD get injured. I mean it'll derail their entire season. It's another area where they have not strengthened and somehow they seem overloaded up front.
From an Irish perspective I'm looking forward to O'Shea nailing down a spot in Burnley and hopefully some good runs for Collins and Ogbene. Wolves could be a shitshow but Doherty could get minutes too.
Yes main talk about that transfer is he won't beat Shearer's record now, the sport didn't start in 1992 and Jimmy Greaves is the highest goalscorer in the history of English top-flight with 357 goals.
That City away Jersey is a beauty
Haaland 2 touches so far
Pep says they are at least two weeks away from getting up to speed
VAR making a mockery of itself already, last nights game Onana clattering yer man for a cert penalty at the death and then Fulham keeper drops the ball on Tarkowski's head for Keane to put it in the net..
Why bother?
I don't think it's VAR that is the problem.
It's the clowns who can't see what a 6 year old can see.
Humans will make human mistakes. VAR or no VAR
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Humans will make human mistakes. VAR or no VAR
Fair enough but some of them are crazy decisions.
Like the keeper dropping the ball in the Everton game on Saturday. Then goal gets disallowed and a free out.
I'd say 1 person in 100 would say that's a foul and not a goal. There is no excuse for getting thst decision wrong.
Madness.
Maybe I don't see it enough but other leagues don't seem to have as much grief over VAR.
The humans manning it in the EPL seem to love the drama.
KDB is out for months! I know they are a serious squad but he is one lad they will miss.
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KDB is out for months! I know they are a serious squad but he is one lad they will miss.
I see that City squad quite light now that KDB is out tbh.. Don't get me wrong they've fantastic players but short on numbers. Mind you there are in for Paqueta from West Ham and Jeremy Doku from Rennes. Doku looked good anytime I seen him play for Belgium
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VAR making a mockery of itself already, last nights game Onana clattering yer man for a cert penalty at the death and then Fulham keeper drops the ball on Tarkowski's head for Keane to put it in the net..
Why bother?
It's called corruption
VAR should only.be used for offside and goal line
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KDB is out for months! I know they are a serious squad but he is one lad they will miss.
I see that City squad quite light now that KDB is out tbh.. Don't get me wrong they've fantastic players but short on numbers. Mind you there are in for Paqueta from West Ham and Jeremy Doku from Rennes. Doku looked good anytime I seen him play for Belgium
They also have lads who fly when the team are flying eg Foden and Grealish.
DeBruyne and Gundogan would dig it out a bit more.
Rodri will battle on but they do look much lighter suddenly.
Plus Mahrez after hitting the road too.
I'm living in hope of a proper challenger to step up...
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KDB is out for months! I know they are a serious squad but he is one lad they will miss.
I see that City squad quite light now that KDB is out tbh.. Don't get me wrong they've fantastic players but short on numbers. Mind you there are in for Paqueta from West Ham and Jeremy Doku from Rennes. Doku looked good anytime I seen him play for Belgium
They also have lads who fly when the team are flying eg Foden and Grealish.
DeBruyne and Gundogan would dig it out a bit more.
Rodri will battle on but they do look much lighter suddenly.
Plus Mahrez after hitting the road too.
I'm living in hope of a proper challenger to step up...
Surely Calvin Philips will get some gametime now!
Looked like a clear dive for Liverpool's penalty to go 2-1 up.
Has VAR been done away with?
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Looked like a clear dive for Liverpool's penalty to go 2-1 up.
Has VAR been done away with?
Nope. Contact on Dominiks right leg. Watch it back. VAR did and correctly gave a penalty.
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Looked like a clear dive for Liverpool's penalty to go 2-1 up.
Has VAR been done away with?
There was obvious contact, he fell a bit dramatically but it was a clear penalty under the rules of the game.
Mcallister red card. Bbc 5live cannot believe it's given as a red.
LiVARpool innit?
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Mcallister red card. Bbc 5live cannot believe it's given as a red.
LiVARpool innit?
Was a yellow at best.
Liverpool great going forward but all over the place at the back at times. Could easily be 4-4 this.
Pool naw gona be dull to watch the year that's for sure 😃
Ashley Young still thinks he plays for Aston Villa!
Going to be another long and hard season for Everton.
West Ham getting three points! I thought for some reason Moyes was leaving the Hammers after that final last year?
Chelsea may drop another 200mill before window shuts 😆
Chelseas 2 biggest midfield signings giving away and missing penalties.
Warra debut for Caicedo...
Peter Drury: At this point even if they were sponsored by Microsoft, Chelsea still won't excel.
£1billion spent but still the same Chelsea.
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£1billion spent but still the same Chelsea.
The way it's going for Pochettino his time as Chelsea manager could be as short as Potter. Losing,not scoring and only managing two shots on target at home to Nottingham Forest is very poor.
All that money spent and they have a worse line up than a couple of years ago
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£1billion spent but still the same Chelsea.
The way it's going for Pochettino his time as Chelsea manager could be as short as Potter. Losing,not scoring and only managing two shots on target at home to Nottingham Forest is very poor.
I was thinking the same thing. The problem is not the manager
Evan Ferguson on fire, great to see.
Hat trick now. Brilliant.
BBC
Ferguson deserves it'
Brighton 3-0 Newcastle
James Collins
Former West Ham defender on BBC Radio 5 Live
Brilliant from Ferguson again, you deserve it when you have worked as hard as him.
It is brilliant, the instinct from Ferguson he has been spectacular.
It's a pity Ireland don't have a team around him to feed him the ball
Howe probably under a bit of pressure now with three losses in four given the resources at his disposal.
Googled there for Irish hat tricks in premier league - it says three before this though I was pretty sure Long got one. Jonny walters, Robbie Keane and Leon best.
(Edit) doesn't look like long got one.
How much is Ferguson worth in todays market?
Al Ittihad will be sniffing around. Basic salary will be Ireland's corporation tax take.
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Howe probably under a bit of pressure now with three losses in four given the resources at his disposal.
Googled there for Irish hat tricks in premier league - it says three before this though I was pretty sure Long got one. Jonny walters, Robbie Keane and Leon best.
(Edit) doesn't look like long got one.
Tory boy Walters count as Irish?
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 02, 2023, 08:16:02 PM
How much is Ferguson worth in todays market?
£100m he's better than that Danish fraud United signed - could be £120m by the end of the season and especially with how hard it is to buy from Brighton
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How much is Ferguson worth in todays market?
£100m he's better than that Danish fraud United signed - could be £120m by the end of the season and especially with how hard it is to buy from Brighton
I actually think could be close to 150.
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£1billion spent but still the same Chelsea.
The way it's going for Pochettino his time as Chelsea manager could be as short as Potter. Losing,not scoring and only managing two shots on target at home to Nottingham Forest is very poor.
Newcastle losing 9 points in a row in the first few games is very Shamrock Rovers
Eddie Howe is under pressure now as well. There's been people beheaded for less in Saudi.
Quote from: square_ball on September 03, 2023, 01:49:31 PM
Eddie Howe is under pressure now as well. There's been people beheaded for less in Saudi.
He's been asked to go to some consulate in Istanbul for a team update!
Liverpool pretty impressive in that first half against a decent Villa side.
When the saudi's came in , Newcastle were struggling that season , and I was hoping they'd go down , as it would just be funny being in the championship. and all that oil money
Anyway, last season I was happy to see Howe do well with Newcastle , as it meant the saudi's had no reason to sack him , because let's face its , a Guardiola type figure will be on the way in time
Now that Newcastle have had a poor start , that could be enough reason for the oil men to get rid. Hopefully not though , and he turns it around
Arsenal 3 Man U 1 was a great game.
Seemed ridiculous not to give Arsenal that penalty in the 2nd half.
Garnacho very unlucky - one of those that is clearly level in old money, but VAR insists on the tiny lines.
Rice showing he's one of the top midfield men in the country.
Not sure how Nketiah starts for Arsenal. Or how he's in the England squad!
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Arsenal 3 Man U 1 was a great game.
Seemed ridiculous not to give Arsenal that penalty in the 2nd half.
Garnacho very unlucky - one of those that is clearly level in old money, but VAR insists on the tiny lines.
Rice showing he's one of the top midfield men in the country.
Not sure how Nketiah starts for Arsenal. Or how he's in the England squad!
Not sure if the contact for the penalty was the first or for the second, he ran into a space and wasn't clipped but his trailing foot caught the defenders calf. No touch for initial 'contact'
Not sure on the offside, the line came down on the feet? Though I thought straight away it was offside
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Arsenal 3 Man U 1 was a great game.
Seemed ridiculous not to give Arsenal that penalty in the 2nd half.
Garnacho very unlucky - one of those that is clearly level in old money, but VAR insists on the tiny lines.
Rice showing he's one of the top midfield men in the country.
Not sure how Nketiah starts for Arsenal. Or how he's in the England squad!
Not sure if the contact for the penalty was the first or for the second, he ran into a space and wasn't clipped but his trailing foot caught the defenders calf. No touch for initial 'contact'
Not sure on the offside, the line came down on the feet? Though I thought straight away it was offside
There was definitely contact. I've never before seen a peno decision overturned when there was contact. Usually those ones with little contact go with whatever the ref decides, as there's not enough to be clearly and and obviously an error. But maybe they're changing
It was Garnacho's shoulder a mm ahead of Gabriel's head I believe. In my view VAR has completely ignored the spirit of the offside law, ie it's a unfair advantage to be ahead of the last defender so therefore illegal. In rugby they'll put the freeze frame up on the big screen and the ref judges level or ahead by common sense.
Before VAR, analysts and fans would have looked at that replay and decided the linesman got it spot on, Garnacho was level, therefore onside.
There was no 'first' contact and the second one was his trailing foot on defenders calf. I suppose you see what you want to see in these circumstances
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Arsenal 3 Man U 1 was a great game.
Seemed ridiculous not to give Arsenal that penalty in the 2nd half.
Garnacho very unlucky - one of those that is clearly level in old money, but VAR insists on the tiny lines.
Rice showing he's one of the top midfield men in the country.
Not sure how Nketiah starts for Arsenal. Or how he's in the England squad!
Not sure if the contact for the penalty was the first or for the second, he ran into a space and wasn't clipped but his trailing foot caught the defenders calf. No touch for initial 'contact'
Not sure on the offside, the line came down on the feet? Though I thought straight away it was offside
There was definitely contact. I've never before seen a peno decision overturned when there was contact. Usually those ones with little contact go with whatever the ref decides, as there's not enough to be clearly and and obviously an error. But maybe they're changing
It was Garnacho's shoulder a mm ahead of Gabriel's head I believe. In my view VAR has completely ignored the spirit of the offside law, ie it's a unfair advantage to be ahead of the last defender so therefore illegal. In rugby they'll put the freeze frame up on the big screen and the ref judges level or ahead by common sense.
Before VAR, analysts and fans would have looked at that replay and decided the linesman got it spot on, Garnacho was level, therefore onside.
I'd much rather the offside rule to be changed to the attacker only has to have a part of his body level or behind the defender to give the benefit to the attacker. Would be a lot more goals scored
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Arsenal 3 Man U 1 was a great game.
Seemed ridiculous not to give Arsenal that penalty in the 2nd half.
Garnacho very unlucky - one of those that is clearly level in old money, but VAR insists on the tiny lines.
Rice showing he's one of the top midfield men in the country.
Not sure how Nketiah starts for Arsenal. Or how he's in the England squad!
Not sure if the contact for the penalty was the first or for the second, he ran into a space and wasn't clipped but his trailing foot caught the defenders calf. No touch for initial 'contact'
Not sure on the offside, the line came down on the feet? Though I thought straight away it was offside
There was definitely contact. I've never before seen a peno decision overturned when there was contact. Usually those ones with little contact go with whatever the ref decides, as there's not enough to be clearly and and obviously an error. But maybe they're changing
It was Garnacho's shoulder a mm ahead of Gabriel's head I believe. In my view VAR has completely ignored the spirit of the offside law, ie it's a unfair advantage to be ahead of the last defender so therefore illegal. In rugby they'll put the freeze frame up on the big screen and the ref judges level or ahead by common sense.
Before VAR, analysts and fans would have looked at that replay and decided the linesman got it spot on, Garnacho was level, therefore onside.
I'd much rather the offside rule to be changed to the attacker only has to have a part of his body level or behind the defender to give the benefit to the attacker. Would be a lot more goals scored
Wouldn't change anything I don't think. Just moves the line. Attackers will always play on the line regardless of where it is, to get an advantage.
There would still be marginal calls and var reviews.
Sancho/Ten Haag feuding
Dyche/Gray similar at Everton
Premiership - never dull
The bottom 5 are Bournemouth, Everton and the 3 promoted clubs.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 03, 2023, 08:56:55 PM
Sancho/Ten Haag feuding
Dyche/Gray similar at Everton
Premiership - never dull
Sancho will be joining Salah in Saudi
Chelsea very poor in that game. Themselves and Man United for all the money they've both spent are both really struggling.
Chelsea's under Mauricio Pochettino in the Premier league so far. Played 5 Points 5, Goals 5 and conceded 5. On course for 38 points which might be enough to keep them up?
Quote from: jcpen on September 17, 2023, 03:57:15 PM
Chelsea very poor in that game. Themselves and Man United for all the money they've both spent are both really struggling.
And wealthy Newcastle who's owners minimal target will be Champions league football again for new year. Chelsea of the trio requires the most improvement, 12th and 44 points was embarrassing for them last season.
cant really be arsed with premier league anymore i prefer cup and tournament football.
UAE paid official Michael Oliver with some very strange calls during that first half of Abu Dhabi Man City vs Arsenal.
With the red cards we have seen recently (gusto, jones), should Arsenal be aggrieved at those decisions?
Sandro Tonali facing a lengthy ban for betting. A lot of Italian players involved. Zaniolo of Villa also
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 18, 2023, 07:08:11 PMSandro Tonali facing a lengthy ban for betting. A lot of Italian players involved. Zaniolo of Villa also
how would these lads end up getting caught I presume it's all online ?
Yeah would be online. They are making so much money why risk their career over betting
Different sport but good article today about how the snooker guys were snared
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker
Edit not saying there was match fixing going on more so the levels that online stuff is monitored
Quote from: statto on October 18, 2023, 07:50:30 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 18, 2023, 07:08:11 PMSandro Tonali facing a lengthy ban for betting. A lot of Italian players involved. Zaniolo of Villa also
how would these lads end up getting caught I presume it's all online ?
What's the protocol for cash betting? I mean , could you walk in to a bookies with 10 grand cash and stick it on a horse? Or is there a cash limit?
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 18, 2023, 09:29:56 PMQuote from: statto on October 18, 2023, 07:50:30 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 18, 2023, 07:08:11 PMSandro Tonali facing a lengthy ban for betting. A lot of Italian players involved. Zaniolo of Villa also
how would these lads end up getting caught I presume it's all online ?
What's the protocol for cash betting? I mean , could you walk in to a bookies with 10 grand cash and stick it on a horse? Or is there a cash limit?
If you're in a position where a bookie will take £10k cash off you no questions asked, it's because all the questions were answered as they want, when you started punting heavily.
It'll likely be a case of player x transferring sizeable cash to mates a, b and c, who all deposit, make an unusual bet, then withdraw promptly. Player x probably doesn't even transfer the money, just makes the commitment. The bookies would know what's happened immediately. It's then over to authorities to make the case. If a, b and c do it twice, they're all sitting ducks.
Well the Juve lad just threw everyone under the bus by the looks of things and got himself a reduced sentence. I'm not sure exactly what the story is. There isn't much detail out there on Zaniolo anyway.
Quote from: lurganblue on October 18, 2023, 10:21:21 PMWell the Juve lad just threw everyone under the bus by the looks of things and got himself a reduced sentence. I'm not sure exactly what the story is. There isn't much detail out there on Zaniolo anyway.
Tonali getting the headlines as he is a Newcastle player. Zaniolo will soon be a Turkish league player again, as I'm sure Villa will have grounds to send him back in January.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 18, 2023, 07:08:11 PMSandro Tonali facing a lengthy ban for betting. A lot of Italian players involved. Zaniolo of Villa also
Bad miss here from Newcastle and their recruitment team. You would have thought that their due diligence would have uncovered this.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 18, 2023, 08:41:04 PMYeah would be online. They are making so much money why risk their career over betting
Don't think it is as black and white as that where addiction is concerned as people can be addicted if they have £500 in the bank of £5million.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 18, 2023, 10:01:10 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 18, 2023, 09:29:56 PMQuote from: statto on October 18, 2023, 07:50:30 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 18, 2023, 07:08:11 PMSandro Tonali facing a lengthy ban for betting. A lot of Italian players involved. Zaniolo of Villa also
how would these lads end up getting caught I presume it's all online ?
What's the protocol for cash betting? I mean , could you walk in to a bookies with 10 grand cash and stick it on a horse? Or is there a cash limit?
If you're in a position where a bookie will take £10k cash off you no questions asked, it's because all the questions were answered as they want, when you started punting heavily.
It'll likely be a case of player x transferring sizeable cash to mates a, b and c, who all deposit, make an unusual bet, then withdraw promptly. Player x probably doesn't even transfer the money, just makes the commitment. The bookies would know what's happened immediately. It's then over to authorities to make the case. If a, b and c do it twice, they're all sitting ducks.
I would have thought that there would have to be some evidence that the money has been transferred from Tonali to Tonalis mate to place the bet. Without knowing the betting patterns, surely if Tonali was transferring cash to mates and mates were putting bets on he couldn't be blamed on it without someone letting the cat out of the bag?
I reckon AC Milan knew what was going on when they sold him.
Quote from: statto on October 19, 2023, 09:43:16 AMQuote from: thewobbler on October 18, 2023, 10:01:10 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 18, 2023, 09:29:56 PMQuote from: statto on October 18, 2023, 07:50:30 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 18, 2023, 07:08:11 PMSandro Tonali facing a lengthy ban for betting. A lot of Italian players involved. Zaniolo of Villa also
how would these lads end up getting caught I presume it's all online ?
What's the protocol for cash betting? I mean , could you walk in to a bookies with 10 grand cash and stick it on a horse? Or is there a cash limit?
If you're in a position where a bookie will take £10k cash off you no questions asked, it's because all the questions were answered as they want, when you started punting heavily.
It'll likely be a case of player x transferring sizeable cash to mates a, b and c, who all deposit, make an unusual bet, then withdraw promptly. Player x probably doesn't even transfer the money, just makes the commitment. The bookies would know what's happened immediately. It's then over to authorities to make the case. If a, b and c do it twice, they're all sitting ducks.
I would have thought that there would have to be some evidence that the money has been transferred from Tonali to Tonalis mate to place the bet. Without knowing the betting patterns, surely if Tonali was transferring cash to mates and mates were putting bets on he couldn't be blamed on it without someone letting the cat out of the bag?
Surely if he had given an envelope of cash to someone, and they put the bet on, nobody would have been any the wiser?
Quote from: statto on October 19, 2023, 09:43:16 AMQuote from: thewobbler on October 18, 2023, 10:01:10 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 18, 2023, 09:29:56 PMQuote from: statto on October 18, 2023, 07:50:30 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 18, 2023, 07:08:11 PMSandro Tonali facing a lengthy ban for betting. A lot of Italian players involved. Zaniolo of Villa also
how would these lads end up getting caught I presume it's all online ?
What's the protocol for cash betting? I mean , could you walk in to a bookies with 10 grand cash and stick it on a horse? Or is there a cash limit?
If you're in a position where a bookie will take £10k cash off you no questions asked, it's because all the questions were answered as they want, when you started punting heavily.
It'll likely be a case of player x transferring sizeable cash to mates a, b and c, who all deposit, make an unusual bet, then withdraw promptly. Player x probably doesn't even transfer the money, just makes the commitment. The bookies would know what's happened immediately. It's then over to authorities to make the case. If a, b and c do it twice, they're all sitting ducks.
I would have thought that there would have to be some evidence that the money has been transferred from Tonali to Tonalis mate to place the bet. Without knowing the betting patterns, surely if Tonali was transferring cash to mates and mates were putting bets on he couldn't be blamed on it without someone letting the cat out of the bag?
I wouldn't think it's that complicated a case to resolve.
Bookies' software will flag up unusual betting patterns immediately, and even if the AI misses it, you can guarantee that if there's a payment of 5 figures out the door, the trader will take a note of who and how.
If a man turns his fiver into £5k as a result of a 10 team acca, nobody in bookie land bats an eyelid.
If a large single bet is made on an important football match outcome, again no big deal. These big games are hard to fix. Just keep an eye on the customer's transactions for any pattern.
But within that match, the bookie will have hundreds of small markets that are much more easily influenced by an individual: players to be booked, number of corners, number of fouls. The bookies have designed these markets up to attract customers usually a) to be used as part of accumulators, or b) for in-game punting. So when someone places a large single bet on these things, it gets a little amber flag against it. Should they win, it turns crimson. Should they withdraw those winnings it burns bright red. Then every bet that person makes going forward has a burning red flag against it.
Should they win this way twice, and the same player is the subject of the bet, that's the case formed.
Quote from: jcpen on October 19, 2023, 09:48:18 AMI reckon AC Milan knew what was going on when they sold him.
Was thinking the same thing...not often Italian sides sell there best players and/or Italian players want to move to the PL...even nowadays when the quality of the Italian league has dropped so much since the heydays of the 80/90's
Quote from: thewobbler on October 19, 2023, 10:29:13 AMQuote from: statto on October 19, 2023, 09:43:16 AMQuote from: thewobbler on October 18, 2023, 10:01:10 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 18, 2023, 09:29:56 PMQuote from: statto on October 18, 2023, 07:50:30 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 18, 2023, 07:08:11 PMSandro Tonali facing a lengthy ban for betting. A lot of Italian players involved. Zaniolo of Villa also
how would these lads end up getting caught I presume it's all online ?
What's the protocol for cash betting? I mean , could you walk in to a bookies with 10 grand cash and stick it on a horse? Or is there a cash limit?
If you're in a position where a bookie will take £10k cash off you no questions asked, it's because all the questions were answered as they want, when you started punting heavily.
It'll likely be a case of player x transferring sizeable cash to mates a, b and c, who all deposit, make an unusual bet, then withdraw promptly. Player x probably doesn't even transfer the money, just makes the commitment. The bookies would know what's happened immediately. It's then over to authorities to make the case. If a, b and c do it twice, they're all sitting ducks.
I would have thought that there would have to be some evidence that the money has been transferred from Tonali to Tonalis mate to place the bet. Without knowing the betting patterns, surely if Tonali was transferring cash to mates and mates were putting bets on he couldn't be blamed on it without someone letting the cat out of the bag?
I wouldn't think it's that complicated a case to resolve.
Bookies' software will flag up unusual betting patterns immediately, and even if the AI misses it, you can guarantee that if there's a payment of 5 figures out the door, the trader will take a note of who and how.
If a man turns his fiver into £5k as a result of a 10 team acca, nobody in bookie land bats an eyelid.
If a large single bet is made on an important football match outcome, again no big deal. These big games are hard to fix. Just keep an eye on the customer's transactions for any pattern.
But within that match, the bookie will have hundreds of small markets that are much more easily influenced by an individual: players to be booked, number of corners, number of fouls. The bookies have designed these markets up to attract customers usually a) to be used as part of accumulators, or b) for in-game punting. So when someone places a large single bet on these things, it gets a little amber flag against it. Should they win, it turns crimson. Should they withdraw those winnings it burns bright red. Then every bet that person makes going forward has a burning red flag against it.
Should they win this way twice, and the same player is the subject of the bet, that's the case formed.
Thanks for the insight wobbler makes things a bit clearer.
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 18, 2023, 09:29:56 PMQuote from: statto on October 18, 2023, 07:50:30 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 18, 2023, 07:08:11 PMSandro Tonali facing a lengthy ban for betting. A lot of Italian players involved. Zaniolo of Villa also
how would these lads end up getting caught I presume it's all online ?
What's the protocol for cash betting? I mean , could you walk in to a bookies with 10 grand cash and stick it on a horse? Or is there a cash limit?
I know for sure that bookies cannot pay out more than €2k cash unless you give them proof of ID and proof of address. I would guess it's the same if you want to make a cash bet of more than €2k.
That may help track down friends or family if there was suspicious betting patterns.
Of course if you are a successful gambler the bookies will quickly move to not accept your bets anyway.
Quote from: Hound on October 19, 2023, 03:21:30 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 18, 2023, 09:29:56 PMQuote from: statto on October 18, 2023, 07:50:30 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 18, 2023, 07:08:11 PMSandro Tonali facing a lengthy ban for betting. A lot of Italian players involved. Zaniolo of Villa also
how would these lads end up getting caught I presume it's all online ?
What's the protocol for cash betting? I mean , could you walk in to a bookies with 10 grand cash and stick it on a horse? Or is there a cash limit?
I know for sure that bookies cannot pay out more than €2k cash unless you give them proof of ID and proof of address. I would guess it's the same if you want to make a cash bet of more than €2k.
That may help track down friends or family if there was suspicious betting patterns.
Of course if you are a successful gambler the bookies will quickly move to not accept your bets anyway.
I'd say in most occasions it's not because the player wants to win money! He's already loaded to a point, but possibly more to do with outside pressure? Family, friends and so on.
The bookies do some complaining when the lose a fraction of what they take..
Tried to do my brother out of a lot money for an incorrect spelling of a horse, you couldn't take enough of them!!
Story of two poor goalkeeper performances in Chelsea arsenal game.From what I have saw Rayas positional sense leaves alot to be desired.For the empty cheque book Chelse a have no number 9and Brighton's third choice keeper awful on both goals.Chelsea are starting to improve though.
Quote from: statto on October 21, 2023, 10:36:03 PMStory of two poor goalkeeper performances in Chelsea arsenal game.From what I have saw Rayas positional sense leaves alot to be desired.For the empty cheque book Chelse a have no number 9and Brighton's third choice keeper awful on both goals.Chelsea are starting to improve though.
2 strange signings for Arsenal in the summer and 2 that arent really working. Did they need rayas and havertz? I dont think so. If it wasnt for his suspension I think theyd have been in for Toney. Thankfully they didnt look towards Watkins.
Quote from: statto on October 21, 2023, 10:36:03 PMStory of two poor goalkeeper performances in Chelsea arsenal game.From what I have saw Rayas positional sense leaves alot to be desired.For the empty cheque book Chelse a have no number 9and Brighton's third choice keeper awful on both goals.Chelsea are starting to improve though.
If you're talking specifically about the mishit cross, I disagree. 99 times out of 100 Raya would have been well set to claim the cross. Just because this one time the winger shanked it into the net doesn't make him wrong. Back in the day, Grobbelaar would come for everything and once or twice a season miss or mishandle a cross leading to a goal, but the Liverpool defense loved him coming out because most of the time it worked and made them more secure.
If it is a general criticism of Raya, you may be right - I don't watch him enough to debate that point.
Quote from: J70 on October 23, 2023, 01:04:27 PMQuote from: statto on October 21, 2023, 10:36:03 PMStory of two poor goalkeeper performances in Chelsea arsenal game.From what I have saw Rayas positional sense leaves alot to be desired.For the empty cheque book Chelse a have no number 9and Brighton's third choice keeper awful on both goals.Chelsea are starting to improve though.
If you're talking specifically about the mishit cross, I disagree. 99 times out of 100 Raya would have been well set to claim the cross. Just because this one time the winger shanked it into the net doesn't make him wrong. Back in the day, Grobbelaar would come for everything and once or twice a season miss or mishandle a cross leading to a goal, but the Liverpool defense loved him coming out because most of the time it worked and made them more secure.
If it is a general criticism of Raya, you may be right - I don't watch him enough to debate that point.
It was more a general observation from the spurs and city games as well.
Everton one charge and a twelve point deduction. Man City 115 charges and nothing.
If convicted and it sticks, they'll need to hit the 50 point mark to stay up.
Quote from: J70 on October 25, 2023, 04:51:03 PMIf convicted and it sticks, they'll need to hit the 50 point mark to stay up.
That's not going to happen considering almost a 1/4 of the games have been played and they're on 7 points...
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 25, 2023, 04:11:56 PMEverton one charge and a twelve point deduction. Man City 115 charges and nothing.
that's a joke.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2023, 05:07:25 PMQuote from: J70 on October 25, 2023, 04:51:03 PMIf convicted and it sticks, they'll need to hit the 50 point mark to stay up.
That's not going to happen considering almost a 1/4 of the games have been played and they're on 7 points...
They'd have to go 12-7-10 or similar.
Not impossible now that Dyche seems to be making a bit of progress.
The standard of teams in the bottom half is really poor so Everton would probaly still survive with a 12 deduction.
The 3 teams that were promoted, are probaly the worst 3 to go up ever. Add in Bournemouth who are awful
Not sure they're 12 points better all the same rodney
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 25, 2023, 06:48:35 PMNot sure they're 12 points better all the same rodney
They're certainly not
Everton will get it tight to stay up without a 12 point deduction never mind with it. Definitely getting better mind you but it's skin of teeth near every season.
It's an embarassment, as an everton fan, that they're in this position. Spending money and wages on shit players relentlessly and then getting deducted points as if it's not bad enough the lack of points the shit players give you in the first place >:(
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 25, 2023, 05:31:24 PMThe standard of teams in the bottom half is really poor so Everton would probaly still survive with a 12 deduction.
The 3 teams that were promoted, are probaly the worst 3 to go up ever. Add in Bournemouth who are awful
Last two seasons Everton got less than 40 points it will be highly unlikely for them to survive with a 12 point deduction.
Not if the other teams continue to struggle. Sheffield United have 1 pt from 9 games. Bournemouth yet to win a game. Burnley are very open,
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 26, 2023, 01:00:32 PMNot if the other teams continue to struggle. Sheffield United have 1 pt from 9 games. Bournemouth yet to win a game. Burnley are very open,
They'll all pick up some points though. The play each other, and then in the final quarter of the season they play mid table teams on the beach. Of course Everton will too - but a 12 point deduction would kill them. They are currently on course for 30 points. Even with 40 points, it would be low percentage chance of being enough. They'd probably need 45+ points for the odds to turn in their favour.
Anyway, I bet they don't get a 12 point deduction. IF there is a point deduction then it'll be maybe 6 points, and they'll do their best to apply it at the time of least impact. Ideally after they are safe, by more than 6 points.
Some chance Everton get any deduction. All this FFP will caught up in years of litigation and courts. We haven't heard about Man Shitty since their 115 charges!
Quote from: trailer on October 26, 2023, 02:40:07 PMSome chance Everton get any deduction. All this FFP will caught up in years of litigation and courts. We haven't heard about Man Shitty since their 115 charges!
I think Everton went through that last year and now it's coming home to roost.
City have deeper pockets and will be well Lawyered up for this.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 26, 2023, 03:52:13 PMQuote from: trailer on October 26, 2023, 02:40:07 PMSome chance Everton get any deduction. All this FFP will caught up in years of litigation and courts. We haven't heard about Man Shitty since their 115 charges!
I think Everton went through that last year and now it's coming home to roost.
City have deeper pockets and will be well Lawyered up for this.
Everton will be similarly lawyered up. There's circa £100m in revenue difference between a PL season and a championship season.
Lawyers aren't cheap, but spending millions on them would be worth it.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2023, 03:57:39 PMQuote from: johnnycool on October 26, 2023, 03:52:13 PMQuote from: trailer on October 26, 2023, 02:40:07 PMSome chance Everton get any deduction. All this FFP will caught up in years of litigation and courts. We haven't heard about Man Shitty since their 115 charges!
I think Everton went through that last year and now it's coming home to roost.
City have deeper pockets and will be well Lawyered up for this.
Everton will be similarly lawyered up. There's circa £100m in revenue difference between a PL season and a championship season.
Lawyers aren't cheap, but spending millions on them would be worth it.
Disposable income is light on the ground at Everton, no such issues at the Etihad.
Newcastles Tonali picked up a 10 month ban for gambling today. It will cost him a lot in lost wages.
2nd time this year Chelsea have lost 2-0 at home to Brentford. pochettino no better than Lampard?
Not premier league but Bellingham is making La liga his playground.. Brace too win El Classico today
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 28, 2023, 05:55:53 PMNot premier league but Bellingham is making La liga his playground.. Brace too win El Classico today
And him injured too. Probably the best player in the world on current form
He is something else
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 28, 2023, 05:55:53 PMNot premier league but Bellingham is making La liga his playground.. Brace too win El Classico today
14 goals in 42 appearances for Dortmund last season. And now 11 goals in 12 matches, a case of that league and Real Madrid suiting him better or at 20 he's reached a consistent high level?
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 28, 2023, 07:31:10 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on October 28, 2023, 05:55:53 PMNot premier league but Bellingham is making La liga his playground.. Brace too win El Classico today
14 goals in 42 appearances for Dortmund last season. And now 11 goals in 12 matches, a case of that league and Real Madrid suiting him better or at 20 he's reached a consistent high level?
He's playing as a no.10 for Madrid. Was playing as an 8 for Dortmund.
Apparently, since April, Brentford have now won more games at Stamford Bridge than have Chelsea.
The table looks very similar to last year. 2 separate groups emerging with the border at Crystal Palace. Nothing in common.
Chelsea and Man U still very poor. The bottom 3 are really bad again and the usual suspects are in the relegation orbit.
What is different is Fulham struggling. They sold Mitrovic to Saudi. Very poor results in the bottom section.The football product is in decline overall.
Everton stealing the win at the Olympic stadium, good three points on the road again, just need to get the home form sorted and stop playing Keane FFS. .
With the financial woes it will be hard to hold onto Branthwaite in January but they must if they are to climb the table.
He is the real deal.
The standard of the 3 promoted teams is worse than in previous seasons. Should help last season's strugglers who hung on. #Trapdoor
Spuds fans not happy with the sending off were probably convinced Curtis Jones decision was the right one a few weeks ago.
Two Chelsea goals disallowed before they eventually score via a penalty call i think was correct, Romero also gets himself sent off in that incident.
12 minutes of added time with all of stoppages with VAR.
All going wrong for Spuds.
Chelsea should win this game from here. Spurs have lost their 2 centre backs and Maddison. They'll be doing well to hang on for the point.
Mess of a match, Spurs need to forget the fancy shite and dig this one out. Chelsea like a team getting it together but not quite there yet. With that ridiculous high line can't see Spurs holding out
Eventful half. Tottenham go from in total control of the contest for 20 minutes to shooting themselves in the foot. With all the Tottenham injuries and help from VAR Pochettino on his return to his old club must think Christmas has arrived early.
Lively. Sky wetting themselves
Goes from bad to worse for Tottenham, down to 9 men now.
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 06, 2023, 09:26:18 PMGoes from bad to worse for Tottenham, down to 9 men now.
Some might call it Karma.
Youre not still going on about that?
How many chances do Chelsea need???
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 06, 2023, 09:40:21 PMHow many chances do Chelsea need???
Might need Tottenham to go down to eight men before they score?
Chelsea look like they don't really know what to do.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 06, 2023, 09:40:21 PMHow many chances do Chelsea need???
Some performance from Spurs goalie to be fair.
Spoke too soon.
Now we get to second guess the ludicrously high Tottenham line. ;D
This game is mental. Thoroughly enjoyable but mental.
Crazy game. There was something in the air from the very start.
Sky Sports really, really wanted big Ange to tear into the officials.
He didn't.
The sport (and the one we have closer to home) really could do with more people like him (as well as a media that doesn't try to make a week's news out of a tackle).
I'd say he's saving his words for the two boys who got themselves sent off and threw away what looked like a certain 3 points.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 06, 2023, 10:59:13 PMSky Sports really, really wanted big Ange to tear into the officials.
He didn't.
The sport (and the one we have closer to home) really could do with more people like him (as well as a media that doesn't try to make a week's news out of a tackle).
Then why did he get booked?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 07, 2023, 12:08:10 AMI'd say he's saving his words for the two boys who got themselves sent off and threw away what looked like a certain 3 points.
And might have a word with himself or learn not to set up this way again with nine men without first choice centre backs. A more clinical team than Chelsea would have scored eight goals against that high line.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-STHXTXUAA9mBs?format=jpg&name=small)
Maybe he knew they weren't playing a more clinical team that Chelsea?
Nearly worked. Between Dier, Bentacur and Son, there were 3 good chances at 2-1 down. So wouldn't be too mad at him. Discipline was really the issue for Spurs. Very similar to the 2016 season when they were coasting at stamford bridge, and got more interested in kicking the shit out of Chelsea than winning the game.
And why would Ange tear into officials. The two players sent off should have been sent off earlier in game.
Refreshing from Ange but he can't have much to complain about. Two guys sent off for stupid tackles.
Can't wait for Statement fc to play Replay fc. Papers will need to bring out special supplements to print all the shite those two managers come out with.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 07, 2023, 08:04:01 AMAnd why would Ange tear into officials. The two players sent off should have been sent off earlier in game.
Have we really reached a point whereby a player can get sent off for a challenge in which he doesn't make contact?
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Honestly not sure what game it is that soccer fans want to watch. But I prefer to watch one with tackling in it.
Nicolas Jackson scores a premier league hattrick before Marcus Rashford...
Quote from: thewobbler on November 06, 2023, 10:59:13 PMSky Sports really, really wanted big Ange to tear into the officials.
He didn't.
The sport (and the one we have closer to home) really could do with more people like him (as well as a media that doesn't try to make a week's news out of a tackle).
Seems like a decent fella and a good manager. Won't be long until a big club come calling.
Quote from: jcpen on November 07, 2023, 10:03:21 AMQuote from: thewobbler on November 06, 2023, 10:59:13 PMSky Sports really, really wanted big Ange to tear into the officials.
He didn't.
The sport (and the one we have closer to home) really could do with more people like him (as well as a media that doesn't try to make a week's news out of a tackle).
Seems like a decent fella and a good manager. Won't be long until a big club come calling.
Doubt he'd want to touch United with a barge pole at the minute. Big team in Spain maybe?
Quote from: thewobbler on November 07, 2023, 08:41:34 AMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 07, 2023, 08:04:01 AMAnd why would Ange tear into officials. The two players sent off should have been sent off earlier in game.
Have we really reached a point whereby a player can get sent off for a challenge in which he doesn't make contact?
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Honestly not sure what game it is that soccer fans want to watch. But I prefer to watch one with tackling in it.
I would agree with that thought the calls for Udogie to go were desperate. Romero for me shouldn't be a red either but we are where we are. Vinnie Jones etc, wouldn't last a game in 2023.
Romero's was a nailed on red. You can't follow through like that anymore. Lucky to still be on the pitch after kicking out at someone only minutes earlier. He's a total headcase.
Udogie's was of the "high yellow" variety. Sterling probably helped his case by getting out of the way quick enough, but it was a two footed lunge, and hard to see how one would argue that he wasn't out of control.
Quote from: trailer on November 07, 2023, 08:23:16 AMRefreshing from Ange but he can't have much to complain about. Two guys sent off for stupid tackles.
Can't wait for Statement fc to play Replay fc. Papers will need to bring out special supplements to print all the shite those two managers come out with.
Leaky Roof / Excuses / Woman Beating FC
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Quote from: statto on November 07, 2023, 11:27:43 AMQuote from: thewobbler on November 07, 2023, 08:41:34 AMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 07, 2023, 08:04:01 AMAnd why would Ange tear into officials. The two players sent off should have been sent off earlier in game.
Have we really reached a point whereby a player can get sent off for a challenge in which he doesn't make contact?
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Honestly not sure what game it is that soccer fans want to watch. But I prefer to watch one with tackling in it.
I would agree with that thought the calls for Udogie to go were desperate. Romero for me shouldn't be a red either but we are where we are. Vinnie Jones etc, wouldn't last a game in 2023.
Is that a bad thing? He was shite
VAR once again trying to render football into basketball tonight with Rashford.
As a concept, VAR would improve significantly if they were only permitted to review tackles in real-time. Pretty much every contact looks like an assault when shown in slo-mo.
Said the same thing during the RWC. The aggressive heart of both sports is being torn asunder by reviewing every tackle with an an intent to intervene.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 08, 2023, 08:51:21 PMVAR once again trying to render football into basketball tonight with Rashford.
As a concept, VAR would improve significantly if they were only permitted to review tackles in real-time. Pretty much every contact looks like an assault when shown in slo-mo.
Said the same thing during the RWC. The aggressive heart of both sports is being torn asunder by reviewing every tackle with an an intent to intervene.
Can't have any sympathy for Rashford on that red, could have done some real damage and nowhere near the ball. Getting a bit fed up with managers from big clubs complaining about these type of decisions. For years they bitched and moaned about protecting "star players" and coached them to dive and make the most out of minimal contact in order to get opposition players reprimanded. But when one of their star players almost breaks some nobody's ankle, they bitch and moan about sanitising the game. F**k em!
I thought it was a red straight away by Rashford. Making a balls of what you are trying to do is not an excuse.
Everton's new stadium is coming along
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZbsuO-5Xzw&t=9s&pp=ygUTZXZlcnRvbiBuZXcgc3RhZGl1bQ%3D%3D
Quote from: lurganblue on November 09, 2023, 03:30:50 PMI thought it was a red straight away by Rashford. Making a balls of what you are trying to do is not an excuse.
Thought it was debatable. No consistency from officials on those type of challenges, Wataru Endo made the same challenge for Liverpool last night and received a yellow.
Eddie Howe's return to Bournemouth ended in a 2-0 defeat the home support enjoyed that. Earlier on Tottenham beaten by Wolves, Ange Postecoglou got a new manager bounce and now comes his true test with injuries and suspensions to deal with.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 11, 2023, 07:39:18 PMEddie Howe's return to Bournemouth ended in a 2-0 defeat the home support enjoyed that. Earlier on Tottenham beaten by Wolves, Ange Postecoglou got a new manager bounce and now comes his true test with injuries and suspensions to deal with.
Wolves doing to Spurs what Spurs did to Sheff. Utd a while back.
Spurs starting 11 is pretty good. Their bench is threadbare.
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 10, 2023, 04:33:41 PMQuote from: lurganblue on November 09, 2023, 03:30:50 PMI thought it was a red straight away by Rashford. Making a balls of what you are trying to do is not an excuse.
Thought it was debatable. No consistency from officials on those type of challenges, Wataru Endo made the same challenge for Liverpool last night and received a yellow.
Endos challenge was not the same. Similar maybe but not the same.
Brits are making us wait late for match of the day tonight while they celebrate the wanton slaughter of millions of their, ours and other soldiers in world war one.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 11, 2023, 07:57:11 PMSpurs starting 11 is pretty good. Their bench is threadbare.
They need investment. 3rd at this stage is still very decent
Great game. Good weekend for Arsenal and Liverpool.
The money rich clubs Manchester City and Chelsea served up a value for money contest for it's supporters with a 4-4 draw. Jurgen klopp will have watched that match with a toothy grin and will be expecting to beat Manchester City next and go top of the table.
Christ what a game
Cole Palmer is great player, wouldn't have got the same game time to develop at City
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 10:15:41 PMCole Palmer is great player, wouldn't have got the same game time to develop at City
He was offered a place once Mahrez left but decided to head to Chelsea. Fair play to him, could have got the odd run out here and there, picking up loads of medals along the way, but decided to go for the bigger challenge.
Aaron Ramsdale's dad is making some tit of himself. Whinging again about his son being dropped. He'd be as well keeping his mouth shut as there isn't going to be a queue of clubs looking to sign him if the dad goes to the media every time his son gets dropped.
Quote from: square_ball on November 14, 2023, 01:27:05 PMAaron Ramsdale's dad is making some tit of himself. Whinging again about his son being dropped. He'd be as well keeping his mouth shut as there isn't going to be a queue of clubs looking to sign him if the dad goes to the media every time his son gets dropped.
Mental stuff, the type of thing you'd hear at an u12 game when some young buck doesn't make the team.
Arteta will surely be waving bye to him, don't need that dung.
Quote from: toby47 on November 14, 2023, 03:46:05 PMQuote from: square_ball on November 14, 2023, 01:27:05 PMAaron Ramsdale's dad is making some tit of himself. Whinging again about his son being dropped. He'd be as well keeping his mouth shut as there isn't going to be a queue of clubs looking to sign him if the dad goes to the media every time his son gets dropped.
Mental stuff, the type of thing you'd hear at an u12 game when some young buck doesn't make the team.
Arteta will surely be waving bye to him, don't need that dung.
Yeh he'll be gone in January, Ramsdale himself was doing an interview with Ian Wright and said to Wrighty he can't concentrate for full 90 so switches off for few minutes to give some stick to fans to get his concentration back.. Disasterclass from him and his entourage
10 point deduction for Everton. :o
In the same week City made a record "profit".
If city and Chelsea don't get hit big the whole things a sham
Fuckitt the whole thing is a sham lol
If it does stick, Everton should still be fine given the teams at the bottom. It's probably a good season to get a points deduction!
Quote from: J70 on November 17, 2023, 12:42:40 PMIf it does stick, Everton should still be fine given the teams at the bottom. It's probably a good season to get a points deduction!
So what did they do that was worse than City?
Aye whoever it was from few weeks back said the Ev be ok even with a 12pts deduction maybe not far away. Bottom 3 show no signs of improving.
These things often get reduced/suspended on appeal.
But if you'd 115 charges however....
how have City gotten away with so far?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2023, 12:45:05 PMQuote from: J70 on November 17, 2023, 12:42:40 PMIf it does stick, Everton should still be fine given the teams at the bottom. It's probably a good season to get a points deduction!
So what did they do that was worse than City?
Not having a
petro-state owner who can pump money into the club through "sponsorships" from companies owned by the same owner?
Fcuk knows. I suppose the charges have been presented I'd like to think they're deciding on punishment. In likelihood they're scared of Citys legal team...
Quote from: J70 on November 17, 2023, 12:42:40 PMIf it does stick, Everton should still be fine given the teams at the bottom. It's probably a good season to get a points deduction!
If the charges are related to last season though would Leicester City not have a good case against them seeing as they were relegated just below them.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 17, 2023, 12:49:19 PMAye whoever it was from few weeks back said the Ev be ok even with a 12pts deduction maybe not far away. Bottom 3 show no signs of improving.
These things often get reduced/suspended on appeal.
But if you'd 115 charges however....
So City must be above board or have better ways to cover (what most clubs are possibly doing to some extent) themselves
Everton should probably not appeal it incase it's lost and more points applied, as you said, ten points might work out ok, think they have managed 10 points recently, so not playing too bad, not great either though
I may be reading it wrong but it looks like Everton exceeded the 105m limit over the three years by about 20m.
If so, a single (average) player deal could have been the difference.
Quote from: clarshack on November 17, 2023, 12:53:08 PMhow have City gotten away with so far?
Better at "structuring" their financial arrangements.
Quote from: jcpen on November 17, 2023, 12:55:09 PMQuote from: J70 on November 17, 2023, 12:42:40 PMIf it does stick, Everton should still be fine given the teams at the bottom. It's probably a good season to get a points deduction!
If the charges are related to last season though would Leicester City not have a good case against them seeing as they were relegated just below them.
No idea.
Apparently it was Leeds and Burnley who reported them!
Quote from: jcpen on November 17, 2023, 12:55:09 PMQuote from: J70 on November 17, 2023, 12:42:40 PMIf it does stick, Everton should still be fine given the teams at the bottom. It's probably a good season to get a points deduction!
If the charges are related to last season though would Leicester City not have a good case against them seeing as they were relegated just below them.
And the year Leicester were promoted to the PL, there were various accusations made about their own irregular finances.
Quote from: J70 on November 17, 2023, 01:01:36 PMI may be reading it wrong but it looks like Everton exceeded the 105m limit over the three years by about 20m.
If so, a single (average) player deal could have been the difference.
20m would be a 60m transfer on a 3 year contract.
The Ev might be lucky enough getting the 10 point deduction this season...Burnley, Sheff Utd and Luton are all pure dung. Everton are in a good run of form and currently one win will have them out of the bottom 3
So Everton docked points for having financial losses. Would it not be fairer if the PL put a limit on what clubs are allowed to spend instead?
I suppose there's ways around that too.
Ah feck it, football is a farce . I blame Jimmy Hill
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 17, 2023, 02:44:36 PMSo Everton docked points for having financial losses. Would it not be fairer if the PL put a limit on what clubs are allowed to spend instead?
I suppose there's ways around that too.
Ah feck it, football is a farce . I blame Jimmy Hill
The whole point of FFP was to keep the same teams at the top perpetually. Giving the same spending limit to all teams wouldn't achieve that goal.
So Everton are punished for honestly reporting that they lost money.
Quote from: dec on November 17, 2023, 02:58:49 PMSo Everton are punished for honestly reporting that they lost money.
No they are being punished for breaking financial fair play rules.
Quote from: shark on November 17, 2023, 02:57:15 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 17, 2023, 02:44:36 PMSo Everton docked points for having financial losses. Would it not be fairer if the PL put a limit on what clubs are allowed to spend instead?
I suppose there's ways around that too.
Ah feck it, football is a farce . I blame Jimmy Hill
The whole point of FFP was to keep the same teams at the top perpetually. Giving the same spending limit to all teams wouldn't achieve that goal.
Salary Caps like the AFL/NFL have are the only way to keep it competitive. 12 different Superbowl winners and 10 different AFL premiership winners in ;ast 25 years. However, the difference in these sports is that there is no alternative market, they are both country specific. For it to work in soccer it would need a collective agreement among the top 10 leagues at least and turkeys dont vote for Christmas....
Quote from: TabClear on November 17, 2023, 03:06:07 PMQuote from: shark on November 17, 2023, 02:57:15 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 17, 2023, 02:44:36 PMSo Everton docked points for having financial losses. Would it not be fairer if the PL put a limit on what clubs are allowed to spend instead?
I suppose there's ways around that too.
Ah feck it, football is a farce . I blame Jimmy Hill
The whole point of FFP was to keep the same teams at the top perpetually. Giving the same spending limit to all teams wouldn't achieve that goal.
Salary Caps like the AFL/NFL have are the only way to keep it competitive. 12 different Superbowl winners and 10 different AFL premiership winners in ;ast 25 years. However, the difference in these sports is that there is no alternative market, they are both country specific. For it to work in soccer it would need a collective agreement among the top 10 leagues at least and turkeys dont vote for Christmas....
I'm sure they'd work payments another way.
Quote from: TabClear on November 17, 2023, 03:06:07 PMQuote from: shark on November 17, 2023, 02:57:15 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 17, 2023, 02:44:36 PMSo Everton docked points for having financial losses. Would it not be fairer if the PL put a limit on what clubs are allowed to spend instead?
I suppose there's ways around that too.
Ah feck it, football is a farce . I blame Jimmy Hill
The whole point of FFP was to keep the same teams at the top perpetually. Giving the same spending limit to all teams wouldn't achieve that goal.
Salary Caps like the AFL/NFL have are the only way to keep it competitive. 12 different Superbowl winners and 10 different AFL premiership winners in ;ast 25 years. However, the difference in these sports is that there is no alternative market, they are both country specific. For it to work in soccer it would need a collective agreement among the top 10 leagues at least and turkeys dont vote for Christmas....
The likes of the NFL and NBA have draft systems too. The worst teams get the best picks of the following year's crop of incoming youngsters. And in each case, one or two brilliant/lucky picks can totally transform your team (and vice versa!). The NBA because you can only field five players at a time, the NFL due to the relatively outsized influence certain positions can have on a team's fortunes.
Everton need to stay calm and grind out results. They need to turn adversity into motivation. The bottom 4 are shite and it us November. In other seasons 4 points would have seen them cut adrift of everyone . It could be a lot worse.v
Quote from: J70 on November 17, 2023, 01:01:36 PMI may be reading it wrong but it looks like Everton exceeded the 105m limit over the three years by about 20m.
If so, a single (average) player deal could have been the difference.
They bought some overpriced dross and on big wages thanks to Moshiri and his superagent friend...
A few weeks back I'd have said Everton were doomed with that sort of points reduction but they've shown a bit of form and the three promoted teams haven't shown anything. Even with the 10 points deduction they're above Burnley and only another 2 points would get them out of the relegation zone.
They'll appeal on the grounds that the severity of the punishment is based on Everton not co-operating with the investigation and Everton PLC are adamant that they did.
I'd expect to see the 10 points reduced.
Chelsea and City are relegated though, mark my words... ;)
Quote from: johnnycool on November 17, 2023, 03:47:40 PMQuote from: J70 on November 17, 2023, 01:01:36 PMI may be reading it wrong but it looks like Everton exceeded the 105m limit over the three years by about 20m.
If so, a single (average) player deal could have been the difference.
They bought some overpriced dross and on big wages thanks to Moshiri and his superagent friend...
A few weeks back I'd have said Everton were doomed with that sort of points reduction but they've shown a bit of form and the three promoted teams haven't shown anything. Even with the 10 points deduction they're above Burnley and only another 2 points would get them out of the relegation zone.
They'll appeal on the grounds that the severity of the punishment is based on Everton not co-operating with the investigation and Everton PLC are adamant that they did.
I'd expect to see the 10 points reduced.
Chelsea and City are relegated though, mark my words... ;)
Somebody just said on twitter that if city get the same 10 point punishment per charge they'll wipe all their points gained out to half way through 2010....
Manchester City lawyers must be laughing at this Everton punishment.
Everton screwed by the Russians and their invasion
Money tap from Usmanov turned off
Man City and Chelsea must have much better lawyers. Surely this points deduction will be appealed
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 17, 2023, 04:06:51 PMEverton screwed by the Russians and their invasion
Money tap from Usmanov turned off
Man City and Chelsea must have much better lawyers. Surely this points deduction will be appealed
Their statement says they're appealing.
It also says they're watching other profitability and losses cases with great interest!
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 17, 2023, 04:06:51 PMEverton screwed by the Russians and their invasion
Money tap from Usmanov turned off
Man City and Chelsea must have much better lawyers. Surely this points deduction will be appealed
Did Usmanov put one brass farthing of his own into Everton or did he just use his wealth to leverage more debt against the club?
Yes Everton were over the acceptable PSR limit by less than £19m, but a 10 point deduction is extremely harsh on the club. Stadium construction costs and the financial sanctions against Everton's Russian owners will also have had an impact on them.
For context, Portsmouth were only deducted 9 points after literally going bust in the middle of the season.
Meanwhile Chelsea and City make a total mockery of all financial fairplay rules without sanction.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 17, 2023, 04:06:51 PMEverton screwed by the Russians and their invasion
But you could also argue they stayed up by the skin of their teeth the past couple of seasons because of their cheating, so maybe it was some of the other relegated teams that got screwed?
Don't forget they were paying the wages of icelandic international Gylfi Sigurdsson.
Signed him for €40 million.
Couldn't play the player, couldn't cancel his contract, couldn't sell him.
Not one bit of mitigation for this
Nor construction inflation costs on the stadium
And yes, Usmanov was sponsoring the training ground through his companies, would probably have supplied all the steel for the stadium and in all likelihood have bought naming rights for the new stadium
Quote from: gawa316 on November 17, 2023, 04:47:05 PMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on November 17, 2023, 04:06:51 PMEverton screwed by the Russians and their invasion
But you could also argue they stayed up by the skin of their teeth the past couple of seasons because of their cheating, so maybe it was some of the other relegated teams that got screwed?
Talk that Leicester Leeds etc will sue
And you can rest assured the teams that finished second to City and Chelsea will be at similar
More stuff coming out about Abramovich today also.
Messy
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 17, 2023, 04:50:47 PMDon't forget they were paying the wages of icelandic international Gylfi Sigurdsson.
Signed him for €40 million.
Couldn't play the player, couldn't cancel his contract, couldn't sell him.
Not one bit of mitigation for this
Nor construction inflation costs on the stadium
And yes, Usmanov was sponsoring the training ground through his companies, would probably have supplied all the steel for the stadium and in all likelihood have bought naming rights for the new stadium
I don't see why this would matter?
Everton are playing decent this season and can get out of the relegation scrap .
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 17, 2023, 07:26:27 PMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on November 17, 2023, 04:50:47 PMDon't forget they were paying the wages of icelandic international Gylfi Sigurdsson.
Signed him for €40 million.
Couldn't play the player, couldn't cancel his contract, couldn't sell him.
Not one bit of mitigation for this
Nor construction inflation costs on the stadium
And yes, Usmanov was sponsoring the training ground through his companies, would probably have supplied all the steel for the stadium and in all likelihood have bought naming rights for the new stadium
I don't see why this would matter?
everything matters, Everton were paying Sigurdsson until the end of his contract, all charges were eventually dropped but during that time Everton couldn't play him (needed to spend to replace him) and more importantly couldn't sell him, therefore were a player down through a legal process not of their making.
The war in Ukraine and subsequent government intervention on all russian business in the UK meant Everton lost 20 million in sponsorship over night of their training ground from russian company usm and a future 200million naming rights agreement for the new stadium from the same company.
Everton have breached sustainability rules and have admitted the breach, 10 points is an excessive punishment though and this will surely open a big can of worms for other future cases
No way this sticks on appeal. What they'd have to do to City and Chelsea...
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 17, 2023, 08:04:11 PMNo way this sticks on appeal. What they'd have to do to City and Chelsea...
The charge has to stick. Their own audited accounts shows in absolute black and white they broke the rules. They admit they broke the rules. And they knew exactly what was happening. They have a list of excuses as to why, but that's all just 'hard luck', they needed to tighten the belt and they chose not to, probably because they thought the Premier League wouldn't actually implement the punishment.
So there has to be a points deduction, I've no idea though how they decide between 1 and 12 points, which was the range for this breach, it seems.
City is completely different as their accounts show they are not breaking any rules. They have Ethiad and related companies paying them hyper inflated commercial revenues. Proving that, especially with City having an endless fund for legal fees, not easy.
Just noticed now that Everton's new stadium has been built on a former World Heritage site and it's former as UNESCO recommended that the City lose its status, with this development.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 17, 2023, 08:04:11 PMNo way this sticks on appeal. What they'd have to do to City and Chelsea...
It might increase as the clubs relegated are now involved.
Why would that mean it would increase? What's a points deduction this season to last season's relegated clubs?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 18, 2023, 06:21:28 PMWhy would that mean it would increase? What's a points deduction this season to last season's relegated clubs?
Because with other clubs set to sue and reopen case the punishment may increase.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 18, 2023, 06:48:12 PMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 18, 2023, 06:21:28 PMWhy would that mean it would increase? What's a points deduction this season to last season's relegated clubs?
Because with other clubs set to sue and reopen case the punishment may increase.
here comes Mr Daily Mail ffs. If anyone is getting sued it would be the premier league, those clubs will feel the Everton decision should have happened last season or season before and gave them opportunity to stay up.
The decision from the board to penalise Everton included the wording that Everton received 'no sporting advantage' from breaking Profit and Sustainability rules therefore making any claims against Everton a non starter.
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 18, 2023, 07:26:28 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 18, 2023, 06:48:12 PMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 18, 2023, 06:21:28 PMWhy would that mean it would increase? What's a points deduction this season to last season's relegated clubs?
Because with other clubs set to sue and reopen case the punishment may increase.
here comes Mr Daily Mail ffs. If anyone is getting sued it would be the premier league, those clubs will feel the Everton decision should have happened last season or season before and gave them opportunity to stay up.
The decision from the board to penalise Everton included the wording that Everton received 'no sporting advantage' from breaking Profit and Sustainability rules therefore making any claims against Everton a non starter.
Mr Daily Mail, never been called that before.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 18, 2023, 06:48:12 PMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 18, 2023, 06:21:28 PMWhy would that mean it would increase? What's a points deduction this season to last season's relegated clubs?
Because with other clubs set to sue and reopen case the punishment may increase.
Even if the case was reopened, how would an increased point deduction help these other clubs? Even if they were able to show a sporting advantage had accrued to Everton, that would have been in previous seasons. Docking them more points this season doesn't help with that.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 18, 2023, 08:49:21 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 18, 2023, 06:48:12 PMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 18, 2023, 06:21:28 PMWhy would that mean it would increase? What's a points deduction this season to last season's relegated clubs?
Because with other clubs set to sue and reopen case the punishment may increase.
Even if the case was reopened, how would an increased point deduction help these other clubs? Even if they were able to show a sporting advantage had accrued to Everton, that would have been in previous seasons. Docking them more points this season doesn't help with that.
There would also be a fine.
OK, I could see a situation where the fine increases. Can't see it for points deduction though.
I think Spurs were docked 12 points one season in the 90s, only to have it overturned on appeal. Something similar may happen here.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 17, 2023, 07:26:27 PMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on November 17, 2023, 04:50:47 PMDon't forget they were paying the wages of icelandic international Gylfi Sigurdsson.
Signed him for €40 million.
Couldn't play the player, couldn't cancel his contract, couldn't sell him.
Not one bit of mitigation for this
Nor construction inflation costs on the stadium
And yes, Usmanov was sponsoring the training ground through his companies, would probably have supplied all the steel for the stadium and in all likelihood have bought naming rights for the new stadium
I don't see why this would matter?
It was an impact on their ability to generate income. The more income you can generate, the more you can spend, that's how FFP works.
A better point for Liverpool than City. City very much on top for most of it and will feel they left it behind them.
Quote from: jcpen on November 25, 2023, 02:29:12 PMA better point for Liverpool than City. City very much on top for most of it and will feel they left it behind them.
When on top they never got that security goal, Liverpool just hung in and got their just desserts..
But for most of the match made Liverpool look bang average
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 02:32:15 PMQuote from: jcpen on November 25, 2023, 02:29:12 PMA better point for Liverpool than City. City very much on top for most of it and will feel they left it behind them.
When on top they never got that security goal, Liverpool just hung in and got their just desserts..
But for most of the match made Liverpool look bang average
City were slightly better overall (much better in the first half), but they didn't go for it and ended up giving up a point anyway. Great point for Liverpool. Tough day for Allison with the City pressure. Hopefully that strain at the end is nothing serious.
K
Quote from: J70 on November 25, 2023, 02:52:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 02:32:15 PMQuote from: jcpen on November 25, 2023, 02:29:12 PMA better point for Liverpool than City. City very much on top for most of it and will feel they left it behind them.
When on top they never got that security goal, Liverpool just hung in and got their just desserts..
But for most of the match made Liverpool look bang average
City were slightly better overall (much better in the first half), but they didn't go for it and ended up giving up a point anyway. Great point for Liverpool. Tough day for Allison with the City pressure. Hopefully that strain at the end is nothing serious.
[/quoteQuote from: J70 on November 25, 2023, 02:52:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 02:32:15 PMQuote from: jcpen on November 25, 2023, 02:29:12 PMA better point for Liverpool than City. City very much on top for most of it and will feel they left it behind them.
When on top they never got that security goal, Liverpool just hung in and got their just desserts..
But for most of the match made Liverpool look bang average
City were slightly better overall (much better in the first half), but they didn't go for it and ended up giving up a point anyway. Great point for Liverpool. Tough day for Allison with the City pressure. Hopefully that strain at the end is nothing serious.
Kelleher might see some action.
I thought Liverpool fully deserved the point. TAA was a deserving man of the match.
Pep Guardiola moaning that he wanted 'some more noise' from the Manchester City supporters at the Etihad today. Maybe They'll perk up when they start winning more trophies? Such a soulless club.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 02:32:15 PMQuote from: jcpen on November 25, 2023, 02:29:12 PMA better point for Liverpool than City. City very much on top for most of it and will feel they left it behind them.
When on top they never got that security goal, Liverpool just hung in and got their just desserts..
But for most of the match made Liverpool look bang average
begob you're some man for the soccer
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 25, 2023, 04:34:50 PMPep Guardiola moaning that he wanted 'some more noise' from the Manchester City supporters at the Etihad today. Maybe They'll perk up when they start winning more trophies? Such a soulless club.
They have got accustomed to winning trophies. Last year was saturation. There not much to wish for anymore.
City going to win this league easy, if they don't get a points deduction.
But it would make some league if they did get the points deduction they deserve. Arsenal and Liverpool would probably be joint favs, but neither are overly good, so the likes of Spurs, Newcastle, even Villa and United would think they'd have a chance.
Quote from: Hound on November 25, 2023, 07:52:58 PMCity going to win this league easy, if they don't get a points deduction.
But it would make some league if they did get the points deduction they deserve. Arsenal and Liverpool would probably be joint favs, but neither are overly good, so the likes of Spurs, Newcastle, even Villa and United would think they'd have a chance.
I don't think they will win it easily at all. They've lost twice already and we're not even in December yet. Their record against title rivals so far has been poor (W0 D1 L1). They play Spurs next so maybe will pick up a win there.
They just aren't the ruthless juggernaut they used to be.
Yeah, but they are still the one team you'd fancy to string 15 wins out of 16 or some similar in the spring. Especially with their squad depth.
Villa going rightly!
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 26, 2023, 03:47:03 PMQuote from: Hound on November 25, 2023, 07:52:58 PMCity going to win this league easy, if they don't get a points deduction.
But it would make some league if they did get the points deduction they deserve. Arsenal and Liverpool would probably be joint favs, but neither are overly good, so the likes of Spurs, Newcastle, even Villa and United would think they'd have a chance.
I don't think they will win it easily at all. They've lost twice already and we're not even in December yet. Their record against title rivals so far has been poor (W0 D1 L1). They play Spurs next so maybe will pick up a win there.
They just aren't the ruthless juggernaut they used to be.
Weren't last season either, what helped was Arsenal who was top for most of the season fell away badly towards the end of it.
3rd defeat for Tottenham in a row. That's Tottenham out of the top 4 when top recently. Villa now 4th just 2 points off 1st, good season Unai Emery is having with them so far.
I think if anyone liverpool will push them this year. They've improved significantly since last year. The rebuild klopp has done in midfield has been incredible.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 26, 2023, 04:12:36 PMI think if anyone liverpool will push them this year. They've improved significantly since last year. The rebuild klopp has done in midfield has been incredible.
Liverpools defence is giving up too many chances and don't have a proper 6.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 26, 2023, 04:14:37 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 26, 2023, 04:12:36 PMI think if anyone liverpool will push them this year. They've improved significantly since last year. The rebuild klopp has done in midfield has been incredible.
Liverpools defence is giving up too many chances and don't have a proper 6.
I don't even think a good number 6 is needed in the new system when you've 2 of the best number 8s in the league. Teams are constantly on the back foot against it.
What a hit. Take a bow. Feel dirty now 😆
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 26, 2023, 04:33:51 PMWhat a hit. Take a bow. Feel dirty now 😆
Goal of the season contender from Garnacho.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 26, 2023, 04:18:05 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 26, 2023, 04:14:37 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 26, 2023, 04:12:36 PMI think if anyone liverpool will push them this year. They've improved significantly since last year. The rebuild klopp has done in midfield has been incredible.
Liverpools defence is giving up too many chances and don't have a proper 6.
I don't even think a good number 6 is needed in the new system when you've 2 of the best number 8s in the league. Teams are constantly on the back foot against it.
And yet defensively they are giving up too many chances?
United get Jonny Evans back soon they could be dark horses for this league yet
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 26, 2023, 06:21:35 PMUnited get Jonny Evans back soon they could be dark horses for this league yet
It's theirs to lose.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 26, 2023, 06:21:35 PMUnited get Jonny Evans back soon they could be dark horses for this league yet
A good tongue in cheek remark there. Finishing 4th at best will be the target and will be challenge in itself to do that IMO.
Martial more league goals than this great striker hojlund?
Quote from: statto on November 26, 2023, 08:06:24 PMMartial more league goals than this great striker hojlund?
How TF Everton didn't score in that first half I'll never know...
Missed three guilt edge chances, Gueye skews a sitter, DCL heads one into the hands of Onana and puts another one over the bar.
United had four shots on target and scored three, that's the difference.
Goal of the season right there from Garnacho in fairness.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 26, 2023, 05:56:32 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 26, 2023, 04:18:05 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 26, 2023, 04:14:37 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 26, 2023, 04:12:36 PMI think if anyone liverpool will push them this year. They've improved significantly since last year. The rebuild klopp has done in midfield has been incredible.
Liverpools defence is giving up too many chances and don't have a proper 6.
I don't even think a good number 6 is needed in the new system when you've 2 of the best number 8s in the league. Teams are constantly on the back foot against it.
And yet defensively they are giving up too many chances?
And yet they have played City, Spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle away and Villa/Brighton at home and have the second best defensive record in league?
Quote from: TabClear on November 27, 2023, 09:28:15 AMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 26, 2023, 05:56:32 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 26, 2023, 04:18:05 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on November 26, 2023, 04:14:37 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 26, 2023, 04:12:36 PMI think if anyone liverpool will push them this year. They've improved significantly since last year. The rebuild klopp has done in midfield has been incredible.
Liverpools defence is giving up too many chances and don't have a proper 6.
I don't even think a good number 6 is needed in the new system when you've 2 of the best number 8s in the league. Teams are constantly on the back foot against it.
And yet defensively they are giving up too many chances?
And yet they have played City, Spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle away and Villa/Brighton at home and have the second best defensive record in league?
Brighton away
Tottenham have lost 3 in a row and are down to 5th. December is a tough month as well.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67591673
Everton have appealed against the decision to dock them 10 Premier League points for financial rule breaches.
The Toffees were handed the punishment - the biggest in Premier League history - by an independent commission.
The club have lodged their appeal with the Premier League's judicial panel, and an appeal board will now be appointed to hear the case.
The club admitted the breach but said they were "shocked and disappointed" at the severity of the punishment.
Man United absolutely rattled by Newcastle here. Don't know how it's still only 1-0.
Quote from: jcpen on December 02, 2023, 09:19:53 PMMan United absolutely rattled by Newcastle here. Don't know how it's still only 1-0.
As bad as I've ever seen them play and that is saying something.
Martial and Rashford a disgrace.
1-0 down and Rashford hooked. He hasn't tried a leg tonight or all season from what I've seen.
A 1-0 hammering if there was ever one.
Utd are truely awful.. more of the same dire sh1te
Brutal stuff.
That Livramento is a handy player for Newcastle. Lightening quick.
Those Spurs jerseys are awful, no reason for them not to be wearing their normal white strip.
Another mad game. City while still the best team in the league are a lot more vulnerable than than have been for a few seasons.
Quote from: jcpen on December 03, 2023, 06:34:13 PMAnother mad game. City while still the best team in the league are a lot more vulnerable than than have been for a few seasons.
No they aren't. They've lost as many games as Liverpool and Arsenal combined and are in 3rd place.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 03, 2023, 07:48:06 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 03, 2023, 06:34:13 PMAnother mad game. City while still the best team in the league are a lot more vulnerable than than have been for a few seasons.
No they aren't. They've lost as many games as Liverpool and Arsenal combined and are in 3rd place.
Ah, of course City are the best team. A run of 3 tough games resulted in draws v Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs, but they were the better team in all 3 games and the opponents were the ones relieved to get the point.
Arsenal pretty lucky to get narrow wins in their last two games against middlin opposition and Liverpool absolutely blessed to beat Fulham today. Conceding 3 goals at home v Fulham and needing some great goals to get the late victory. Liverpool only drew with Luton, who are awful, and should be beating Fulham without breaking sweat.
But in soccer the best team doesn't always win, and hopefully some complacency seeping into City with all the silverware in their pockets might give a glimmer of hope to Arsenal and Liverpool.
City have an away trip to Villa on Wednesday. We'll know more then.
City are doing the same as they did last season to peak at the right time... they went on a run after Christmas and cleaned all before them I fully expect history to repeat itself!
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 03, 2023, 10:05:24 PMCity have an away trip to Villa on Wednesday. We'll know more then.
Villa drew with Bournemouth today, Bournemouth are 4 points better than Luton though so could be hard to tell how Villa approach that game
Quote from: screenexile on December 03, 2023, 10:19:55 PMCity are doing the same as they did last season to peak at the right time... they went on a run after Christmas and cleaned all before them I fully expect history to repeat itself!
It was as much Arsenal falling away. 42 points Man City accumulated in their first 19 games last season and finished up with 89 points. Mid 80 points could well be enough to win the league title this season.
A rested De Bruyne coming back in January will be hard for Arsenal to compete with.
City still the best team. They've another gear. They're still the best squad too.
But, apart from being ridiculously overcompensated in central defence, the gap in depth of squad between them and the other contenders isn't what it has been in recent seasons. Hence they've had a core of 7-8 players starting every week and finishing most matches.
The ability to rotate means they've not had to do this in recent years. And unless Guardiola has made a pact with the devil, it has to take its toll. Pushing on in January might just take more out of them than expected. And here's hoping.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2023, 10:25:17 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 03, 2023, 10:05:24 PMCity have an away trip to Villa on Wednesday. We'll know more then.
Villa drew with Bournemouth today, Bournemouth are 4 points better than Luton though so could be hard to tell how Villa approach that game
That's no harm. Villa will need to bounce back, they know they were lucky to get the draw and that a big improvement is needed. City will be riled up with how the Spurs game ended, but Rodri is usually a big loss for them and he has to serve a 1 match ban for 5 yellows.
Quote from: Hound on December 04, 2023, 08:25:47 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2023, 10:25:17 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 03, 2023, 10:05:24 PMCity have an away trip to Villa on Wednesday. We'll know more then.
Villa drew with Bournemouth today, Bournemouth are 4 points better than Luton though so could be hard to tell how Villa approach that game
That's no harm. Villa will need to bounce back, they know they were lucky to get the draw and that a big improvement is needed. City will be riled up with how the Spurs game ended, but Rodri is usually a big loss for them and he has to serve a 1 match ban for 5 yellows.
Grealish suspended also and Doku could be injured.
Villa have won 6 from 6 at home according to Newstalk yesterday evening so it should be a great game.
Wonder when was the last time Man City didn't win for 4 games in a row?
Quote from: jcpen link==2241596 date=1701679613Wonder when was the last time Man City didn't win for 4 games in a row?
Blight ::)
City will beat Villa.
I didn't think Grealish would have scored anyway but I don't understand why the ref called that play back. He had initially let things go.
City should have been out of sight by half time, hard to understand the rules anymore when Gvardiol gets away with a yellow for his challenge; Its reckless, he's out of control with his studs on show 3ft in the air but the pundits left it alone.
Referee Simon Hooper on duty on Wednesday night... fit the Liverpool game.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 04, 2023, 08:57:49 AMCity will beat Villa.
I didn't think Grealish would have scored anyway but I don't understand why the ref called that play back. He had initially let things go.
I'm guessing he thought Grealish was offside. He wasn't, but might have been hard to tell in real time.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 04, 2023, 12:58:01 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 04, 2023, 08:57:49 AMCity will beat Villa.
I didn't think Grealish would have scored anyway but I don't understand why the ref called that play back. He had initially let things go.
I'm guessing he thought Grealish was offside. He wasn't, but might have been hard to tell in real time.
The only logical explanation is that he didn't see Grealish and assumed the ball had been kicked away.
Royal would likely have caught him within a stride anyway. It looked a more clear cut chance than it was because Grealish kept running on the whistle, whilst Royal stopped dead.
Yeah I thought maybe ref thought he was offside but was nowhere near. You would think it was a cert of a goal with the reaction but like you say wobbler it wasn't at all.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 04, 2023, 08:57:49 AMCity will beat Villa.
You might be right though hard to ignore Villa's home form this season. 6 wins from 6 and 23 goals scored. No side scored more at home this season. City have already dropped points in 3 or their 7 away games.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 04, 2023, 02:24:02 PMYeah I thought maybe ref thought he was offside but was nowhere near. You would think it was a cert of a goal with the reaction but like you say wobbler it wasn't at all.
Only reason I say that is because until I saw the replay, I thought it was offside. Agree that it wasn't nailed on or close to it. But the City players clearly realized it was the closest they were going to get to a nailed on chance in the brief moments remaining.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 04, 2023, 08:25:08 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 04, 2023, 02:24:02 PMYeah I thought maybe ref thought he was offside but was nowhere near. You would think it was a cert of a goal with the reaction but like you say wobbler it wasn't at all.
Only reason I say that is because until I saw the replay, I thought it was offside. Agree that it wasn't nailed on or close to it. But the City players clearly realized it was the closest they were going to get to a nailed on chance in the brief moments remaining.
Referees don't blow for offside
Linesman hardly call it now because everything is checked through var
No, but refs blow/don't blow for advantage. If he thought there was an offside, then he thought there was no advantage. Anyway, just a thought I had, I have no idea if that's what he was thinking.
See new deal agreed for the TV rights. £6.7bn. From a fans point of view its not a great offering. You need 3 subscriptions to watch SOME of the games. No guarantee you'll get to see all the games your team plays on TV.
Still the stupid 3pm blackout. Although I understand it's a legislative issue.
No wonder the dodgy box is so popular. There should be an offering to buy a game pass for your team guaranteeing you the chance to watch all your teams games. Consumers are short changed again.
The new TV deal has changed a bit. No more Amazon. TNT retain their current package and Sky are getting apparently 70% more games with all games apart from Saturday 3pm kick offs being shown live.
Quote from: trailer on December 05, 2023, 11:15:49 AMSee new deal agreed for the TV rights. £6.7bn. From a fans point of view its not a great offering. You need 3 subscriptions to watch SOME of the games. No guarantee you'll get to see all the games your team plays on TV.
Still the stupid 3pm blackout. Although I understand it's a legislative issue.
No wonder the dodgy box is so popular. There should be an offering to buy a game pass for your team guaranteeing you the chance to watch all your teams games. Consumers are short changed again.
Its a joke. You could pay out a small fortune for bt and sky and still miss a pile of games. Dodgy bix the only way
Speaking of dodgy box streams, anyone else not getting any commentary on the Luton Arsenal game?
Quote from: jcpen on December 05, 2023, 08:50:35 PMSpeaking of dodgy box streams, anyone else not getting any commentary on the Luton Arsenal game?
On tnt?
Luton must be sick!
Quote from: screenexile on December 05, 2023, 10:14:40 PMLuton must be sick!
You'd feel for them there to be sure. That said, Raya gifted them 2 goals and Arteta has really made a pigs ear of this goalkeeping situation.
Skin of their teeth wins over Brentford, Wolves and Luton in succession. That's a real sign of a title challenge. I don't think Arsenal believed they could win it last year (I don't think anyone did tbh) but this year they do. Rice becoming a huge player, even apart from another last ditch winner by him, he was the clear leader on the pitch.
That was coming, a deserved lead for Aston Villa.
Been saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
Villa were absolutely brilliant tonight, they battered City at times, dunno how it only stayed 1-0.
Great result for them(and for Arsenal and Liverpool)
Emery a good manager and seems like a decent spud. Glad to see him do well.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
Are City a second half of the season team and they come good when it matters?
KDB is a huge miss that pulls the strings..
How many points did they have this time last year?
3-0 would not have flattered Villa. 22 shots to 2. City didn't even have a corner. 14 home league wins in a row now.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
Done the same last year then went and won 15 in a row or something mad. Wouldn't bet against them doing the same this year again. But agree they arent the team they were. None of the other challengers are that great either tbh.
Great to see, the Premier league is wide open (at the moment).
You'd have to fancy City if they get their nose in front in the New Year.
Shows how important de bruyne is
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 06, 2023, 10:20:54 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
Done the same last year then went and won 15 in a row or something mad. Wouldn't bet against them doing the same this year again. But agree they arent the team they were. None of the other challengers are that great either tbh.
Arsenal are currently tracking a 91 point season and smashing teams in Europe.
When does "not great" culminate?
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 06, 2023, 10:20:54 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
Done the same last year then went and won 15 in a row or something mad. Wouldn't bet against them doing the same this year again. But agree they arent the team they were. None of the other challengers are that great either tbh.
When De Bruyne gets back it will be a different story. Liverpool and or Arsenal need to have a good lead built up before he gets back.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 06, 2023, 10:23:38 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 06, 2023, 10:20:54 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
Done the same last year then went and won 15 in a row or something mad. Wouldn't bet against them doing the same this year again. But agree they arent the team they were. None of the other challengers are that great either tbh.
Arsenal are currently tracking a 91 point season and smashing teams in Europe.
When does "not great" culminate?
At a guess, when they win something.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 06, 2023, 10:23:38 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 06, 2023, 10:20:54 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
Done the same last year then went and won 15 in a row or something mad. Wouldn't bet against them doing the same this year again. But agree they arent the team they were. None of the other challengers are that great either tbh.
Arsenal are currently tracking a 91 point season and smashing teams in Europe.
When does "not great" culminate?
''Not great'' is the way Arsenal finished out the season last year, they ran out of steam and confidence.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 06, 2023, 10:23:38 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 06, 2023, 10:20:54 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
Done the same last year then went and won 15 in a row or something mad. Wouldn't bet against them doing the same this year again. But agree they arent the team they were. None of the other challengers are that great either tbh.
Arsenal are currently tracking a 91 point season and smashing teams in Europe.
When does "not great" culminate?
Looking good but never seen any medals handed out in December. They started last year flying and fell away. Hopefully they can push on, far rather them than City or the scouse.
A fall off expected from Manchester City after winning three trophies last season however Pep hasn't helped himself by offloading some important players and not bringing in like for like replacements. Tonight they looked like a mid table team against Aston Villa.
Unless they pick up form soon it will be a two horse race for the title and the smart money would be on Liverpool to win it with the way Arsenal crumbled under pressure towards the end of last season.
Rice could be big difference for them tho in fairness. Keeps the thing interesting anyway. City without rodri and de bruyne look ordinary and the squad thin same time they could buy in Jan and no other team can go on a run like them
It's Villas to lose 😜
Villa went from being pumped by Bournemouth and getting a lucky draw, to a performance of the highest caliber tonight.
Jesus lads but the soccers a hard watch. Had access to all the games last night as it was on prime n ended up turning it off. Poor, poor stuff. Hardly a challenge across many of the games, fellas diving at any touch, brutal.
Man City will obviously be still favourites and any "smart" money would still be on them to retain the title.
As already said above by others, they could easily go on an unbeaten run and blow everyone else away.
Arsenal will have learned from last season and should be better positioned to challenge.
Don't know with Liverpool, not sure they have enough to maintain a consistent winning run which you would imagine will be needed.
Quote from: An Watcher on December 07, 2023, 07:04:44 AMJesus lads but the soccers a hard watch. Had access to all the games last night as it was on prime n ended up turning it off. Poor, poor stuff. Hardly a challenge across many of the games, fellas diving at any touch, brutal.
I'm sorry to say I've gone the other way. I'd rather watch a Premier League game than gaelic footballers passing the ball sideways across the pitch. And it pains me to say it. I wouldn't waste my money on GAAGO but I still do waste it on Sky.
Sportacus not far off the mark. I find myself scrolling more and more while watching both nowadays. Maybe it's an age thing. Not saying I've seen "all" the football but I have seen a lot lol and it takes more to wow you these days in both pursuits
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 07, 2023, 09:22:17 AMSportacus not far off the mark. I find myself scrolling more and more while watching both nowadays. Maybe it's an age thing. Not saying I've seen "all" the football but I have seen a lot lol and it takes more to wow you these days in both pursuits
Put the hurling on, they haven't went all defensive yet
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 07, 2023, 09:36:05 AMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 07, 2023, 09:22:17 AMSportacus not far off the mark. I find myself scrolling more and more while watching both nowadays. Maybe it's an age thing. Not saying I've seen "all" the football but I have seen a lot lol and it takes more to wow you these days in both pursuits
Put the hurling on, they haven't went all defensive yet
Disagree also. Must deffo be an age thing lol. Few years ago I agree it was class. Now they've got "too good" - too many can score from way out the field, puck outs are longer and general passages of play shorter imo. But yes not as defensive
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 07, 2023, 09:49:29 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 07, 2023, 09:36:05 AMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 07, 2023, 09:22:17 AMSportacus not far off the mark. I find myself scrolling more and more while watching both nowadays. Maybe it's an age thing. Not saying I've seen "all" the football but I have seen a lot lol and it takes more to wow you these days in both pursuits
Put the hurling on, they haven't went all defensive yet
Disagree also. Must deffo be an age thing lol. Few years ago I agree it was class. Now they've got "too good" - too many can score from way out the field, puck outs are longer and general passages of play shorter imo. But yes not as defensive
How do you defend when they regularly score from inside their own half?
Need to make hurling pitches 30m longer. We'll sort out the logistics later.
Arsenal going to have to play better to win the league which I hope they do, they won't replicate what they've done in the first half of the season in the 2nd half in terms of late goals.
City more then capable of winning 19 out of the remaining 23 league games, if they drop points in any of the next 4 league games which I expect them to win then maybe there is a bit of an issue.
I think Liverpool have a real chance this year.
Also, the top 4 is wide open. Spurs and Newcastle will get some players back soon and give it a real rattle. Utd are right there and time will tell if Villa can sustain what they've produced through 2023.
Quote from: An Watcher on December 07, 2023, 07:04:44 AMJesus lads but the soccers a hard watch. Had access to all the games last night as it was on prime n ended up turning it off. Poor, poor stuff. Hardly a challenge across many of the games, fellas diving at any touch, brutal.
The Villa/City game was very entertaining I thought.
There have been quite a few entertaining premiership games this year. Feels like more than usual.
I would argue the Premier league is a more entertaining product than the All ireland Championship. 100%.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 07, 2023, 12:47:29 PMI would argue the Premier league is a more entertaining product than the All ireland Football Championship. 100%.
Fixed that for you ;)
Last year after 15 games...
1. Arsenal p15 13-1-1 40 pts
2. Man City p15 11-2-2 35 pts
3. Newcastle p16 9-6-1 33 pts
4. Spurs p16 9-3-4 30 pts
5. Man Utd p15 9-2-4 29 pts
6. Liverpool p15 7-4-4 25 pts
7. Brighton p15 7-3-5 24 pts
8. Chelsea p15 7-3-5 24 pts
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 07, 2023, 10:22:21 AMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 07, 2023, 09:49:29 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 07, 2023, 09:36:05 AMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 07, 2023, 09:22:17 AMSportacus not far off the mark. I find myself scrolling more and more while watching both nowadays. Maybe it's an age thing. Not saying I've seen "all" the football but I have seen a lot lol and it takes more to wow you these days in both pursuits
Put the hurling on, they haven't went all defensive yet
Disagree also. Must deffo be an age thing lol. Few years ago I agree it was class. Now they've got "too good" - too many can score from way out the field, puck outs are longer and general passages of play shorter imo. But yes not as defensive
How do you defend when they regularly score from inside their own half?
Need to make hurling pitches 30m longer. We'll sort out the logistics later.
Tally up the scores in hurling and they are mainly inside the oppositions half, if you think its easy to score from outside the halfway line I'll take you up on that challenge If you manage one score standing still I'd be very surprised, doing it off the hurl or running without breaking stride would be impossible
Why are they hitting them longer? Players at intercounty football and hurling are exactly the same size and fitness, the strength of a player will mean striking the ball further, talk of making the ball heavier will only mean the stronger players will get used to the weight and continue to strike it same distance.
Safety would need to be looked at if they did make it heavier, hard enough getting hit by the current one.
If we are looking at making hurling pitches longer we'd need to make football pitches smaller... The amount of times I hear "the scoring zone", none can kick a ball 20 meters now without fear of being subbed, players run past (without trying to make a tackle) players who have the ball ffs! And now footballers are constantly rolling around on the ground asking for cards!
I don't think I've ever seen a team dominant city like Villa did yesterday...very, very impressive. Villa Arsenal at the weekend should be another clinker
Quote from: gawa316 on December 07, 2023, 03:36:47 PMI don't think I've ever seen a team dominant city like Villa did yesterday...very, very impressive. Villa Arsenal at the weekend should be another clinker
Saw the last 30 minutes of Villa game would agree thought they were superb. Be interesting to see if they can back it up at the weekend as you would think that took alot out of them.
Would be a hell of a week to beat city and arsenal within the space of a few days
As a lifelong unfortunate Villa fan, I cant remember too many better performances. But as I said before, they were totally rotten v Bournemouth a few days beforehand. Who knows what side will turn up v Arsenal. Emery has done a wonderful job.
Quote from: lurganblue on December 07, 2023, 04:41:24 PMAs a lifelong unfortunate Villa fan, I cant remember too many better performances. But as I said before, they were totally rotten v Bournemouth a few days beforehand. Who knows what side will turn up v Arsenal. Emery has done a wonderful job.
Had a soft spot for Villa in the early 90's...loved Tony Daley. Still remember a lot of those players...Cowans, Spink, McGrath, Platt, Ormondroyd, Yorke, Atkinson, Parker, Richardson, Froggert, Olney, Barrett, etc.
When I started following the ball it was pool Ipswich forest then Villa doing battle with pool usually on top
Utd nowhere to be seen
Chelsea and city not even on the radar
I long for those days again 😆😆
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 07, 2023, 12:47:29 PMI would argue the Premier league is a more entertaining product than the All ireland Championship. 100%.
I think they are both poor nowadays. I love watching international rugby though or the Heineken. Going back to the gaa, the all ireland club championships are much better than the county stuff. Ulster especially is fantastic
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 07, 2023, 05:27:55 PMWhen I started following the ball it was pool Ipswich forest then Villa doing battle with pool usually on top
Utd nowhere to be seen
Chelsea and city not even on the radar
I long for those days again 😆😆
You're not that old are ya? Mid's 80's is when I started so Everton and Arsenal probably the main competition
Quote from: gawa316 on December 07, 2023, 06:09:52 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 07, 2023, 05:27:55 PMWhen I started following the ball it was pool Ipswich forest then Villa doing battle with pool usually on top
Utd nowhere to be seen
Chelsea and city not even on the radar
I long for those days again 😆😆
You're not that old are ya? Mid's 80's is when I started so Everton and Arsenal probably the main competition
Only a few years ahead of you young man 😉 I would say from 6yrs I would say I took an interest as I remember looking at league tables etc. was a bit of a statto at times lol
An Watcher - agree about the Ulster Club / club football in general. Think rugby too has went backwards from an entertainment point of view
Quote from: gawa316 on December 07, 2023, 05:06:16 PMQuote from: lurganblue on December 07, 2023, 04:41:24 PMAs a lifelong unfortunate Villa fan, I cant remember too many better performances. But as I said before, they were totally rotten v Bournemouth a few days beforehand. Who knows what side will turn up v Arsenal. Emery has done a wonderful job.
Had a soft spot for Villa in the early 90's...loved Tony Daley. Still remember a lot of those players...Cowans, Spink, McGrath, Platt, Ormondroyd, Yorke, Atkinson, Parker, Richardson, Froggert, Olney, Barrett, etc.
Dean Saunders was on fire for a while at Villa too. Ray Houghton I enjoyed watching too
Liked Villa myself around then , mostly because of the Irish players there, especially Paul McGrath.
Seamus Coleman is back in the Everton starting line up for tonight's game, his first match for 7 months.
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 07, 2023, 06:47:58 PMQuote from: gawa316 on December 07, 2023, 05:06:16 PMQuote from: lurganblue on December 07, 2023, 04:41:24 PMAs a lifelong unfortunate Villa fan, I cant remember too many better performances. But as I said before, they were totally rotten v Bournemouth a few days beforehand. Who knows what side will turn up v Arsenal. Emery has done a wonderful job.
Had a soft spot for Villa in the early 90's...loved Tony Daley. Still remember a lot of those players...Cowans, Spink, McGrath, Platt, Ormondroyd, Yorke, Atkinson, Parker, Richardson, Froggert, Olney, Barrett, etc.
Dean Saunders was on fire for a while at Villa too. Ray Houghton I enjoyed watching too
Liked Villa myself around then , mostly because of the Irish players there, especially Paul McGrath.
I remember when Liverpool bought Saunders and Mark Wright in the same summer. They played Da Town in Oriel Park in a pre-season match. Some occasion!
Spurs ridiculously dominant v WestHam, only 1-0 up tho at ht, wouldn't be surprised to see then draw (or worse). Spurs great to watch.
Good victory for the Ev on the cards here
Quote from: bennydorano on December 07, 2023, 09:05:11 PMSpurs ridiculously dominant v WestHam, only 1-0 up tho at ht, wouldn't be surprised to see then draw (or worse). Spurs great to watch.
1-1
Newcastle are so Spursy
So United slap Everton, Newcastle play United off the pitch, then Everton slap Newcastle. League is mad lol
Everton would be above Chelsea without the deduction.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 07, 2023, 09:37:02 PMSo United slap Everton, Newcastle play United off the pitch, then Everton slap Newcastle. League is mad lol
United scored a wonder goal v Everton. That was what broke the deadlock in that game otherwise it'd still be 0-0
Give back the 10 points and Everton would be hunting a European spot
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 07, 2023, 09:23:38 PMGood victory for the Ev on the cards here
The Ev like prime Brazil for their third. Oles and the whole works
On 29th Oct Spurs were top by 2 points, 5 games and 5 weeks later they are 9 points off the top
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 07, 2023, 09:45:57 PMEverton would be above Chelsea without the deduction.
Pochettino would already be be sacked with Roman Abramovich in charge of Chelsea.
Quote from: gawa316 on December 07, 2023, 11:00:08 PMOn 29th Oct Spurs were top by 2 points, 5 games and 5 weeks later they are 9 points off the top
As Mourinho would say "Football Heritage"
Quote from: gawa316 on December 07, 2023, 11:00:08 PMOn 29th Oct Spurs were top by 2 points, 5 games and 5 weeks later they are 9 points off the top
Maybe Ange ball isn't all it's been made out to be.
The day the music died
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on December 07, 2023, 11:23:10 AMArsenal going to have to play better to win the league which I hope they do, they won't replicate what they've done in the first half of the season in the 2nd half in terms of late goals.
City more then capable of winning 19 out of the remaining 23 league games, if they drop points in any of the next 4 league games which I expect them to win then maybe there is a bit of an issue.
Under Guardiola City have won 17 and 18 consecutive league games in different seasons, and ten or more in a row other occasions. The six point gap to Arsenal is nothing.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
The first game this season they have been outplayed, and fair play to Villa who were brill.
Who is it that is better than City? Or is it Villa you are tipping for the league?
City are weaker than they've been but still formidable. Good chance for Arse or Pool to sneak a title but on this showing today it won't be pool. Woeful. Even tho they've just equalized lolol
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 09, 2023, 02:07:32 PMCity are weaker than they've been but still formidable. Good chance for Arse or Pool to sneak a title but on this showing today it won't be pool. Woeful. Even tho they've just equalized lolol
Absolutely, they are still the best team but it's hard to be good all the time, especially with so many medals in their pockets. This has the potential to be a great season with all the top teams dropping points, and maybe someone other than City can lead after 38 matches. But also City could win 10 in a row in the New Year to take a commanding lead.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 09, 2023, 02:07:32 PMCity are weaker than they've been but still formidable. Good chance for Arse or Pool to sneak a title but on this showing today it won't be pool. Woeful. Even tho they've just equalized lolol
Winning games despite being woeful.
What's it gonna be like when they start playing well?
Quote from: Hound on December 09, 2023, 02:04:18 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
The first game this season they have been outplayed, and fair play to Villa who were brill.
Who is it that is better than City? Or is it Villa you are tipping for the league?
Arsenal outplayed them.
I'd back liverpool or arsenal at this stage. Think arsenal will have learnt alot from last year and will go closer.
Bournemouth should be about 3 up.
Quote from: jcpen on December 09, 2023, 03:56:28 PMBournemouth should be about 3 up.
No way???!!!
Utd should be winning the league :o
Cheer up United fans, it's only Anfield next!
Well it's 3-0 to Bournemouth now.
Walter White under pressure again
Liverpool will destroy United next week
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 09, 2023, 04:33:35 PMCheer up United fans, it's only Anfield next!
That's a 6-0 job there
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 09, 2023, 04:35:55 PMWalter White under pressure again
Liverpool will destroy United next week
Not so sure. Form often goes out the window when those two meet.
Will be like a Cup Final for Man United so wouldn't be surprised to see them up their game big time.
Quote from: jcpen on December 09, 2023, 04:37:58 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on December 09, 2023, 04:35:55 PMWalter White under pressure again
Liverpool will destroy United next week
Not so sure. Form often goes out the window when those two meet.
Will be like a Cup Final for Man United so wouldn't be surprised to see them up their game big time.
You'd think so but United have a must win game v Bayern in CL and Liverpool have a nothing Europa League game. Liverpool will rest their main players you'd suspect which United cannot afford to do.
Bruno suspended for the Liverpool game now.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 09, 2023, 04:53:08 PMBruno suspended for the Liverpool game now.
He knew what he was doing..
Heard he should have seen red
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2023, 04:36:48 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 09, 2023, 04:33:35 PMCheer up United fans, it's only Anfield next!
That's a 6-0 job there
Consistently inconsistent team for a number of years. A few seasons ago managed to beat Manchester City away when 2-0 behind. Following week would lose to already relegated West Brom at home.
Could beat Bayern Munich on Tuesday and then lose to Liverpool 6-0.
Quote from: jcpen on December 09, 2023, 04:55:17 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 09, 2023, 04:53:08 PMBruno suspended for the Liverpool game now.
He knew what he was doing..
Absolutely. Some leadership there. Toughest game of the season and he takes the easy road out.
After that Liverpool performance today I think there will be little talk of a whitewash.
The shirts could use one.
Aston Villa back up beating Man City with another win and clean sheet against Arsenal tonight. 8 home games all won this season.
Club record 15 home wins in a row. That is some going.
Premier League could be a lot more interesting this year, don't see City putting it together and romping away, Spurs, Villa, Newcastle and United aren't going to win the PL but they'll all have a big say as they're going to bloody the noses of the Top trio of City, Arsenal and Liverpool along the way. Points from Draws could be hugely important.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 09, 2023, 04:40:42 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 09, 2023, 04:37:58 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on December 09, 2023, 04:35:55 PMWalter White under pressure again
Liverpool will destroy United next week
Not so sure. Form often goes out the window when those two meet.
Will be like a Cup Final for Man United so wouldn't be surprised to see them up their game big time.
You'd think so but United have a must win game v Bayern in CL and Liverpool have a nothing Europa League game. Liverpool will rest their main players you'd suspect which United cannot afford to do.
Not sure the chopping and changing is working out that well for Liverpool. Won their last 3 league games, but played pretty mediocre in all of them. Losing Fernandes could be a blessing in disguise for United too, he's usually awful v Liverpool, get young Mainoo in and have a more solid midfield and play on the break.
Another win for Everton and defeat for Chelsea. Pochettino could face the sack with that latest defeat?
Surely they just can't keep sacking managers.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 10, 2023, 04:30:41 PMSurely they just can't keep sacking managers.
Of course they can. Sacking Managers is what has brought success to Chelsea of the years.
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 10, 2023, 04:34:46 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 10, 2023, 04:30:41 PMSurely they just can't keep sacking managers.
Of course they can. Sacking Managers is what has brought success to Chelsea of the years.
Didn't bring them any success last season and had four different managers?
With a billion spent under Todd Boehly 4th place would be a miminal objective for him as it stands 12th and 14 points off 4th and Pochettino had no European football distraction this season either.
They are an absolute mess. I thought pochetino would have done something with them but he seems to have made it worse.
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Everton are already out of the relegation places. The fighting spirit. They will not go down. The bottom three are abysmal.
Quote from: seafoid on December 11, 2023, 11:17:31 AMEverton are already out of the relegation places. The fighting spirit. They will not go down. The bottom three are abysmal.
Luton are decent at home.
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 11, 2023, 12:18:19 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 11, 2023, 11:17:31 AMEverton are already out of the relegation places. The fighting spirit. They will not go down. The bottom three are abysmal.
Luton are decent at home.
Are they? The one win at home this season would suggest not. And that was only 2 weeks ago.
Sheffield Utd, Burnley and Luton are rank shit. They'll all be confirmed relegated before Easter the way they're going.
Quote from: trailer on December 11, 2023, 12:27:50 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on December 11, 2023, 12:18:19 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 11, 2023, 11:17:31 AMEverton are already out of the relegation places. The fighting spirit. They will not go down. The bottom three are abysmal.
Luton are decent at home.
Are they? The one win at home this season would suggest not. And that was only 2 weeks ago.
Sheffield Utd, Burnley and Luton are rank shit. They'll all be confirmed relegated before Easter the way they're going.
Liverpool were lucky to draw with them. City got a scare.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 11, 2023, 12:29:03 PMQuote from: trailer on December 11, 2023, 12:27:50 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on December 11, 2023, 12:18:19 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 11, 2023, 11:17:31 AMEverton are already out of the relegation places. The fighting spirit. They will not go down. The bottom three are abysmal.
Luton are decent at home.
Are they? The one win at home this season would suggest not. And that was only 2 weeks ago.
Sheffield Utd, Burnley and Luton are rank shit. They'll all be confirmed relegated before Easter the way they're going.
Liverpool were lucky to draw with them. City got a scare.
Ack the plucky losers.....
They are f**king dung.
They're certainly hard to beat at home as both City and Arsenal can attest to. However, they probably won't pick up enough points to even be close to staying up.
Quote from: blasmere on December 11, 2023, 12:42:48 PMThey're certainly hard to beat at home as both City and Arsenal can attest to. However, they probably won't pick up enough points to even be close to staying up.
If any of those 3 teams get over 20 points it will be a success.
They have the worst goal difference, the worst points and are 4 points adrift of Everton on minus 10 points . On full points Everton aren't far off their combined total.
I think the dire state of the UK economy is a threat to ongoing funding of Sky subscriptions and ultimately the validity of TV deals for the EPL. The EPL is a Ponzi scheme .
Luton Bournemouth game suspended when Luton player Tom Lockyer collapsed in the middle of the field. Reports coming in he's now alert and responsive.
Tom lockyer also collapsed in the play off final back in May.
Shocking to see, but fantastic to hear he is OK as I initially thought the worst after the incident in May
That will have to be the end of his playing career
Man United will only be 4 off Man City and a Top 4 spot with a win tomorrow, big incentive for them. Would expect a big performance from them.
Quote from: jcpen on December 16, 2023, 05:11:24 PMMan United will only be 4 off Man City and a Top 4 spot with a win tomorrow, big incentive for them. Would expect a big performance from them.
Quit will ya
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 16, 2023, 05:16:24 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 16, 2023, 05:11:24 PMMan United will only be 4 off Man City and a Top 4 spot with a win tomorrow, big incentive for them. Would expect a big performance from them.
Quit will ya
Out of Europe also so just the league to concentrate on, top 4 in their hands really.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
Bump.
When's the 15 game winning run starting?
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 16, 2023, 05:18:40 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
Bump.
When's the 15 game winning run starting?
Has been a struggle for them recently.
Only one win in their last six league games which was 2-1 against Luton and 4 of those games has been at home.
They don't play now until after Christmas because of the club world Cup. They could probably do without it.
Luton have confirmed their captain suffered cardiac arrest on the pitch. I'd imagine after the scare in May this will end his playing career
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 16, 2023, 05:18:40 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
Bump.
When's the 15 game winning run starting?
Probably when KDB comes back
6 clean sheets in a row for Everton
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 16, 2023, 05:18:40 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
Bump.
When's the 15 game winning run starting?
Probably when there's 15 games to go.
City definitely struggling at the minute. Could be 12 points behind Liverpool by the time they next play a game in the league. Big chance for Arsenal and Liverpool now. Massive game next Saturday evening between the 2. Whoever wins that will be favourites for the league.
Quote from: Nanderson on December 16, 2023, 05:55:43 PMLuton have confirmed their captain suffered cardiac arrest on the pitch. I'd imagine after the scare in May this will end his playing career
You would think so. A 3rd time and he mightn't be as lucky.
The vomit on this thread in regards to how Utd will play tomorrow against the league leaders is embarrassing.
Nothing is won on here with a twist on words
Quote from: square_ball on December 16, 2023, 08:58:22 PMQuote from: Nanderson on December 16, 2023, 05:55:43 PMLuton have confirmed their captain suffered cardiac arrest on the pitch. I'd imagine after the scare in May this will end his playing career
You would think so. A 3rd time and he mightn't be as lucky.
Ya once is a wake up call if fortunate two is a big nudge. I'd say that's him
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 16, 2023, 08:44:30 PM6 clean sheets in a row for Everton
They should have 10 points deducted every season if the last few weeks are anything to go by
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 16, 2023, 11:47:13 PMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on December 16, 2023, 08:44:30 PM6 clean sheets in a row for Everton
They should have 10 points deducted every season if the last few weeks are anything to go by
Everton have a big shiny new stadium for next season. They won't want to be showing it off to Plymouth Argyle and Stoke City.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 16, 2023, 11:09:36 PMQuote from: square_ball on December 16, 2023, 08:58:22 PMQuote from: Nanderson on December 16, 2023, 05:55:43 PMLuton have confirmed their captain suffered cardiac arrest on the pitch. I'd imagine after the scare in May this will end his playing career
You would think so. A 3rd time and he mightn't be as lucky.
Ya once is a wake up call if fortunate two is a big nudge. I'd say that's him
He's a lucky boy. Thank god he's alright.
And Everton will be grand.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on December 17, 2023, 08:51:00 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 16, 2023, 11:47:13 PMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on December 16, 2023, 08:44:30 PM6 clean sheets in a row for Everton
They should have 10 points deducted every season if the last few weeks are anything to go by
Everton have a big shiny new stadium for next season. They won't want to be showing it off to Plymouth Argyle and Stoke City.
They aren't moving into it until the season after next.
Quote from: square_ball on December 16, 2023, 08:57:16 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 16, 2023, 05:18:40 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2023, 10:08:08 PMBeen saying here for weeks that City are not winning the league this year and that they would struggle. Can people start to come to terms with that instead of consistently blowing smoke up their hole?
Bump.
When's the 15 game winning run starting?
Probably when there's 15 games to go.
City definitely struggling at the minute. Could be 12 points behind Liverpool by the time they next play a game in the league. Big chance for Arsenal and Liverpool now. Massive game next Saturday evening between the 2. Whoever wins that will be favourites for the league.
Liverpool playing Man United,Arsenal and Newcastle over the next few weeks. Those games will tell a story on how much Liverpool are in the title race. Anyone thinking it's theirs to lose in December is either a bit simple or on the wind up.
Last club world cup under the 7 team format before it goes to 32 teams
Quote from: Aaron Boone on December 17, 2023, 08:51:00 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 16, 2023, 11:47:13 PMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on December 16, 2023, 08:44:30 PM6 clean sheets in a row for Everton
They should have 10 points deducted every season if the last few weeks are anything to go by
Everton have a big shiny new stadium for next season. They won't want to be showing it off to Plymouth Argyle and Stoke City.
Jealousy is wonderful
Quote from: Eire90 on December 17, 2023, 11:04:28 AMLast club world cup under the 7 team format before it goes to 32 teams
32? Didn't know that, who'll they be?
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 17, 2023, 01:36:51 PMQuote from: Eire90 on December 17, 2023, 11:04:28 AMLast club world cup under the 7 team format before it goes to 32 teams
32? Didn't know that, who'll they be?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_FIFA_Club_World_Cup
Quote from: square_ball on December 17, 2023, 01:44:45 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 17, 2023, 01:36:51 PMQuote from: Eire90 on December 17, 2023, 11:04:28 AMLast club world cup under the 7 team format before it goes to 32 teams
32? Didn't know that, who'll they be?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_FIFA_Club_World_Cup
Sounds shite
Could be a good chance for Liverpool to boost their goal difference in this game while they go top of league . Don't think any of Man Utd starting XI today would make Liverpool team.
Quote from: Gael85 on December 17, 2023, 04:03:18 PMCould be a good chance for Liverpool to boost their goal difference in this game while they go top of league . Don't think any of Man Utd starting XI today would make Liverpool team.
None of the Luton team would make the Liverpool team either and they almost beat them.
See the Utd bus getting some attention
Few predictions
A red card for Utd
Liverpool to score early
12 corners
Liverpool to score at least 4
75% possession for Liverpool
Man United win the first battle, Liverpool playing towards the Kop for the first half.
The top of the table is more interesting this season
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 17, 2023, 04:27:53 PMFew predictions
A red card for Utd
Liverpool to score early
12 corners
Liverpool to score at least 4
75% possession for Liverpool
Close
Brentford and Villa had plenty of action
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 17, 2023, 10:47:34 PMBrentford and Villa had plenty of action
It was like Platoon out there!
Martinez is an awful knob but Maupay should have known better too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 18, 2023, 08:59:37 AMMartinez is an awful knob but Maupay should have known better too.
Two lads of the same ilk. Perfect storm.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 18, 2023, 08:59:37 AMMartinez is an awful knob but Maupay should have known better too.
He is, but he's the best keeper about by a mile.
Quote from: square_ball on December 17, 2023, 01:44:45 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 17, 2023, 01:36:51 PMQuote from: Eire90 on December 17, 2023, 11:04:28 AMLast club world cup under the 7 team format before it goes to 32 teams
32? Didn't know that, who'll they be?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_FIFA_Club_World_Cup
Bernardo Silva Man City.
"The reality is that the amount of games we have nowadays if you look at it, it's a bit crazy" top level games will lose energy and intensity if players continue to get injured due to a packed schedule.
Steve Cooper looking a new job. And on the mouth of Christmas.
Quote from: trailer on December 19, 2023, 04:11:39 PMSteve Cooper looking a new job. And on the mouth of Christmas.
And Forest are holding talks with former Wolves boss Nuno Espirito Santo to replace him
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 16, 2023, 08:44:30 PM6 clean sheets in a row for Everton
Another chance of a trophy gone after last night, 1995 is a long time ago now.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 19, 2023, 06:56:15 PMQuote from: trailer on December 19, 2023, 04:11:39 PMSteve Cooper looking a new job. And on the mouth of Christmas.
And Forest are holding talks with former Wolves boss Nuno Espirito Santo to replace him
He couldn't even keep a job in the camel league.
Arsenal much quicker playing the ball, Liverpool more slow and can't break Arsenal down.
Liverpool very unlucky to not have a peno, definitely movement of the hand towards the ball, nothing to do with a slip like Neville suggested.
Good goal there as I type from Salah.
Arsenal all over the place. Only matter of time when Liverpool score again.
In my mind.
If VAR can look at that Odegaard handball and not award a penalty, then there's a base rationale for there not be a handball penalty awarded again this season.
Sports officiating is never going to be a game of perfect. But if that's not a handball, then handball does not exist.
Great game of football, just goes to show you when both teams want to play it makes a huge difference.
A fair enough result I think even if Trent will be kicking himself for hitting the crossbar.
Fair result. Arsenal be happier I'm sure as away from home. Trent should have buried that chance.
Liverpools subs seemed to make them lose their momentum.Arsenal came more into it after Liverpool made those 3 changes.
That was far from a classic Liverpool v Arsenal game especially 2nd half. Apart from alexander-arnold chance from the counter attack it was the two set of defences on top and giving nothing away.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 23, 2023, 07:29:52 PMFair result. Arsenal be happier I'm sure as away from home. Trent should have buried that chance.
Yeah was a great chance. Great game though really enjoyable. Liverpool should definitely be aggrieved for not getting a penalty.
Quote from: jcpen on December 23, 2023, 07:49:09 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on December 23, 2023, 07:29:52 PMFair result. Arsenal be happier I'm sure as away from home. Trent should have buried that chance.
Yeah was a great chance. Great game though really enjoyable. Liverpool should definitely be aggrieved for not getting a penalty.
Did VAR say it wasn't a penalty?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2023, 07:57:29 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 23, 2023, 07:49:09 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on December 23, 2023, 07:29:52 PMFair result. Arsenal be happier I'm sure as away from home. Trent should have buried that chance.
Yeah was a great chance. Great game though really enjoyable. Liverpool should definitely be aggrieved for not getting a penalty.
Did VAR say it wasn't a penalty?
eire90 get your logon details?
Tottenham are only 4 points adrift now.
The run in will be very interesting this year. Liverpool and Arsenal are untested . Will Man City put on the afterburners?
Quote from: seafoid on December 24, 2023, 10:04:31 AMTottenham are only 4 points adrift now.
The run in will be very interesting this year. Liverpool and Arsenal are untested . Will Man City put on the afterburners?
Villa there too. I'm not convinced by Liverpool. If De Bruyne comes back at his best and Haaland lets the hair down then they should pull away. You'd think they'll come back from Saudi Arabia and say right lads, no more messing, time to get the job done.
Quote from: Sportacus on December 24, 2023, 10:26:05 AMQuote from: seafoid on December 24, 2023, 10:04:31 AMTottenham are only 4 points adrift now.
The run in will be very interesting this year. Liverpool and Arsenal are untested . Will Man City put on the afterburners?
Villa there too. I'm not convinced by Liverpool. If De Bruyne comes back at his best and Haaland lets the hair down then they should pull away. You'd think they'll come back from Saudi Arabia and say right lads, no more messing, time to get the job done.
Liverpool feel like they are clinging on, but to their advantage, and a few other teams this year, is nobody is firing on all cylinders. Only 13 pts covering 1-9 so anyone putting a run together could make things interesting.
Quote from: Sportacus on December 24, 2023, 10:26:05 AMQuote from: seafoid on December 24, 2023, 10:04:31 AMTottenham are only 4 points adrift now.
The run in will be very interesting this year. Liverpool and Arsenal are untested . Will Man City put on the afterburners?
Villa there too. I'm not convinced by Liverpool. If De Bruyne comes back at his best and Haaland lets the hair down then they should pull away. You'd think they'll come back from Saudi Arabia and say right lads, no more messing, time to get the job done.
I'd agree, though I don't really see Villa in the final shake up. Don't think Liverpool have it to go all the way this season,Klopp is definitely building something though and they are probably further ahead than he would have thought they would be. Europa League and a domestic trophy would be a good season for them I think and a few more signings and they will be even stronger next season.
Still think City will be there or thereabouts for this season's title, it's crazy some are writing them off so early.
Quote from: jcpen on December 24, 2023, 11:05:06 AMQuote from: Sportacus on December 24, 2023, 10:26:05 AMQuote from: seafoid on December 24, 2023, 10:04:31 AMTottenham are only 4 points adrift now.
The run in will be very interesting this year. Liverpool and Arsenal are untested . Will Man City put on the afterburners?
Villa there too. I'm not convinced by Liverpool. If De Bruyne comes back at his best and Haaland lets the hair down then they should pull away. You'd think they'll come back from Saudi Arabia and say right lads, no more messing, time to get the job done.
I'd agree, though I don't really see Villa in the final shake up. Don't think Liverpool have it to go all the way this season,Klopp is definitely building something though and they are probably further ahead than he would have thought they would be. Europa League and a domestic trophy would be a good season for them I think and a few more signings and they will be even stronger next season.
Still think City will be there or thereabouts for this season's title, it's crazy some are writing them off so early.
City can't be written off as injuries will take their toll later in the season, especially teams going on a cup run. City plenty of replacement options that even other big teams don't have.
City will win it just ahead of Arsenal. Liverpool are still a work in progress, although progressing nicely.
Man City are favourites at 5/4
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/winner
Another defeat for Chelsea this afternoon leaving them in 10th. Wolves level on points with them after that win.
Top 10 Premier table of points drop so far this season. Manchester City one game less played.
Arsenal 14
Liverpool 15
Aston Villa 15
Tottenham 18
Man City 17
West Ham 24
Newcastle 25
Man United 26
Brighton 27
Chelsea 32
I'd reckon that if Spurs are still in touch come the January break they'll still be in touch come May. None of the challengers, even if they spend wisely in January, are getting the boost they'll get from Maddison, Van De Ven and Bentacur coming back
thewobbler on the Christmas sherry early...
Chelsea are that bad they are making Man United look good.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 24, 2023, 04:34:56 PMI'd reckon that if Spurs are still in touch come the January break they'll still be in touch come May. None of the challengers, even if they spend wisely in January, are getting the boost they'll get from Maddison, Van De Ven and Bentacur coming back
Losing Son, Bissouma and Sarr for a time due to international tournaments
Quote from: gawa316 on December 24, 2023, 07:12:54 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 24, 2023, 04:34:56 PMI'd reckon that if Spurs are still in touch come the January break they'll still be in touch come May. None of the challengers, even if they spend wisely in January, are getting the boost they'll get from Maddison, Van De Ven and Bentacur coming back
Losing Son, Bissouma and Sarr for a time due to international tournaments
That's a blow, no doubt. But Scouse (10/3) losing Salah and Spurs (28/1) losing those 3 but welcoming back 3 first choice players. I just don't see the gap in those odds myself.
Should be a safe bet for Liverpool, Manchester City and Arsenal to finish the season ahead of Tottenham however Postecoglou team has a decent chance of a 4th place finish thanks mostly to Newcastle and Manchester United regressing this season.
Thanks mostly to themselves. Their Points Per Game average (so far) is higher than both those teams finished with last season. Them regressing has little to do with Spurs' season , apart from the 6 points they gave them.
Tottenham's points Per Game average (so far) would be roughly the same as it was for Newcastle,Manchester United this time last season and those two aren't going to get 71 to 75 points again this season so 70 or below points could likely be enough points for Tottenham to finish in 4th.
Liverpool, City and Arsenal certs you would think. Villa will be in the mix as well.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 24, 2023, 10:56:25 PMQuote from: gawa316 on December 24, 2023, 07:12:54 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 24, 2023, 04:34:56 PMI'd reckon that if Spurs are still in touch come the January break they'll still be in touch come May. None of the challengers, even if they spend wisely in January, are getting the boost they'll get from Maddison, Van De Ven and Bentacur coming back
Losing Son, Bissouma and Sarr for a time due to international tournaments
That's a blow, no doubt. But Scouse (10/3) losing Salah and Spurs (28/1) losing those 3 but welcoming back 3 first choice players. I just don't see the gap in those odds myself.
Problem is that two of those players--Madison and Bentacur--seem quite injury prone. I wouldn't be confident of them remaining injury-free to the end of the season.
It's like the wizard of Oz. All of the top teams are flawed.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2023/1220/1423125-premier-league-mid-season-report-liverpool-to-wolves/
By Rob Wright
Sport Journalist
Liverpool – A
Liverpool have improved majorly from last season's disappointing campaign but questions still remain over Jurgen Klopp's side when it comes to breaking Manchester City's dominance.
Nine points better off than this stage last season, Liverpool have successfully rebuilt an ailing midfield and look more than likely to reclaim a top four place and with it, Champions League football, having missed out last season.
Whether they can realistically aim higher remains to be seen and is very much dependent on their misfiring forward line click into high gear again.
Darwin Nunez has yet to live up to his promise and continues to be wasteful in front of goal, Luis Diaz is hot and cold, Diego Jota is absent through injury and the Reds becoming even more reliant on Mohamed Salah – which opposition teams have figured out.
It's become an increasingly familiar sight to see teams double up on Salah, keep him quiet and then watch his fellow attackers struggle to make an impact. It's a problem that Klopp needs to solve, be that through tactics or transfers, if his side are to kick on again.
It's been Haaland or bust for City so far
Manchester City – B
While there's every chance that we'll still see the now traditional second-half of the season surge from Manchester City, it's hard to shake the sense that this current iteration of Pep Guardiola's all conquering side is on a downward trajectory.
City are seven points off from where they were at this point last season and looking like the exertions of that treble-winning season may have actually caught up with them.
With just one win from their last six league games, the champions look strangely lethargic and devoid of ideas up front if plan A of 'give it to Haaland' doesn't come off.
With 14 goals so far this season – 10 more than anyone else at City – Guardiola has become increasingly reliant on the Norwegian star to dig his side out of trouble and the Sky Blues are in danger of becoming one-dimensional up front.
Injuries certainly haven't helped. Kevin De Bruyne's long-term absence has been keenly felt along with niggles for Haaland and Jeremy Doku, but it's their summer transfer activity that appears to have done the most damage. Losing Riyad Mahrez, Ilkay Gundogan and Aymeric Laporte in one fell swoop has taken a good deal of experience away from the club.
Manchester United – D
The psycho-drama that has taken hold at Old Trafford is probably one of the most entertaining elements of the league for non-supporters of the Red Devils, and there appears be little chance of things settling.
From failed gulf-state takeovers to players briefing against an increasing beleaguered manager and a Champions League collapse, the club continues to make the headlines for all the wrong reasons. That's not even including the €85m signing who is being made to train with the kids.
On the pitch, things remain bleak. Hopes that Erik ten Hag would be the man to finally turn the club around and get them back on their perch have faded and the biggest surprise when looking at the league table is that they remain as high as seventh.
Losing 13 of their the 25 games they've played in all competitions means that they've already lost as many times as they did throughout the entirety of last season, while many of the players not looking particularly bothered.
With another bad run of results Ten Hag could be gone before the Christmas decorations come down and a replacement could get a short bounce from the malcontents within the squad, but even then, a top-four finish looks unlikely.
Think it's between Arsenal and City, Liverpool MF is pretty poor imo and that is insurmountable - unless they buy spectacularly well in January. Would love to see Spurs doing it but it's really hard to see it happening, better chance of them getting beat 7.0 some day, they ride their luck something shocking at times. Villa will be Top 6.
It depends on Man City. Otherwise it could be like 2016 with Villa or Spurs winning.
Quote from: seafoid on December 25, 2023, 05:52:46 PMIt depends on Man City. Otherwise it could be like 2016 with Villa or Spurs winning.
Would be very surprised if wither of those finish above Arsenal.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 25, 2023, 06:24:21 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 25, 2023, 05:52:46 PMIt depends on Man City. Otherwise it could be like 2016 with Villa or Spurs winning.
Would be very surprised if wither of those finish above Arsenal.
Arsenal have played the easy matches do far. The toughest games come towards the end of the season
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2023/1220/1423097-premier-league-mid-season-report-arsenal-to-fulham/
By Rob Wright
Sport Journalist
Arsenal – A
The Gunners will be hoping that the old adage 'you have to lose one before you can win one' proves to be true for them, after they went so close to toppling Manchester City last season.
Having fallen short last season there were questions as to whether Arsenal could mount another title push this season but as they look down from the top of the table on Christmas Day, those questions appear to have been answered.
Mikel Arteta's summer gamble to pay West Ham €116m for the services of Declan Rice is paying off handsomely with the midfielder already proving to be one of his side's key players, offering defensive solidity by screening the back four while breaking forward at the other end to showcase his creativity.
Rice's addition has helped Arsenal to look more secure and exert a greater level of control in games, while their other big summer signing Kai Havertz is finally starting to settle and produce the goods after a tricky start.
The only slight concern that Arsenal fans may have is that the fixture list has been kind to their side so far. They face trips to Manchester City, Tottenham and Manchester United towards the business end of the season along with games against Chelsea and Aston Villa but they showed against Liverpool at Anfield that they can dig in and grind out a result when they have to.
Forest are leading 3-1 at Newcastle
Quote from: seafoid on December 26, 2023, 02:25:17 PMForest are leading 3-1 at Newcastle
And won 3-1 away to Newcastle some start for the the new manager.
Liverpool, Manchester City and Aston Villa in the league next for Newcastle. Eddie Howe's time will likely be up.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 26, 2023, 03:14:01 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 26, 2023, 02:25:17 PMForest are leading 3-1 at Newcastle
And won 3-1 away to Newcastle some start for the the new manager.
Liverpool, Manchester City and Aston Villa in the league next for Newcastle. Eddie Howe's time will likely be up.
I think Howe will have another year.
No need to press the panic button yet. Had a good season last year and this year, with injuries etc., they've had bad luck.
16-18 is getting tight now.
Quote from: marty34 on December 26, 2023, 03:27:33 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 26, 2023, 03:14:01 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 26, 2023, 02:25:17 PMForest are leading 3-1 at Newcastle
And won 3-1 away to Newcastle some start for the the new manager.
Liverpool, Manchester City and Aston Villa in the league next for Newcastle. Eddie Howe's time will likely be up.
I think Howe will have another year.
No need to press the panic button yet. Had a good season last year and this year, with injuries etc., they've had bad luck.
In the past he might have survived however it's different times under Oil rich owners who would have demanded at the very least a top four finish this season.
Howe reminds me of Mark Hughes as Manchester City manager. Such owners don't wait around and will probably already be seeking an a replacement after that latest unexpected defeat.
Luton are a point behind Everton.
I got ridiculed here when I said Luton are playing well and unlucky with results.
Bad result for Villa after being 2 up. Hope it doesn't have a knock on effect as it be great to see them get Top 5.
Man United still in the hunt for Top 5 also even after all the poor results they are still 6th.
Emery has a habit of collapsing after a good start.
Villa and tottenham have improved while Newcastle have regressed somewhat
Quote from: ONeill on December 26, 2023, 10:08:11 PMEmery has a habit of collapsing after a good start.
He also has a habit of winning trophies.
Top of the table isn't bad for Liverpool at this stage
Quote from: seafoid on December 27, 2023, 03:02:50 PMTop of the table isn't bad for Liverpool at this stage
Considering the fixtures under their belt.
Ciy and spurs away done and dusted. They have to go to Anfield second half of the season.
Citeh 1-0 down at Goodison at the moment. Can see them being out of the race by February.
Everton v Manchester City just 116 charges between those two teams.
10 points deducted between them so justice of sorts...
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 27, 2023, 08:48:42 PMQuote from: seafoid on December 27, 2023, 03:02:50 PMTop of the table isn't bad for Liverpool at this stage
Considering the fixtures under their belt.
Ciy and spurs away done and dusted. They have to go to Anfield second half of the season.
Citeh 1-0 down at Goodison at the moment. Can see them being out of the race by February.
Don't think Everton were ever in the race
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 27, 2023, 09:13:21 PMEverton v Manchester City just 116 charges between those two teams.
Apparently City fans were singing "cheats" at the Everton fans. :o
Irony is dead.
They gave that penalty very quickly. Have seen other more obvious handballs not given!
Quote from: jcpen on December 27, 2023, 09:59:42 PMThey gave that penalty very quickly. Have seen other more obvious handballs not given!
They often give that one, but it's a joke, just like much of the handball rules these days. Where exactly are his arms supposed to be when sliding in to block the shot?
That's as clear cut a penalty as anyone will ever see.
Quote from: J70 on December 27, 2023, 10:21:46 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 27, 2023, 09:59:42 PMThey gave that penalty very quickly. Have seen other more obvious handballs not given!
They often give that one, but it's a joke, just like much of the handball rules these days. Where exactly are his arms supposed to be when sliding in to block the shot?
Surely the closeness of the arm to where ball was struck means no pen. Or does that rule not apply to city....
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 27, 2023, 11:42:19 PMQuote from: J70 on December 27, 2023, 10:21:46 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 27, 2023, 09:59:42 PMThey gave that penalty very quickly. Have seen other more obvious handballs not given!
They often give that one, but it's a joke, just like much of the handball rules these days. Where exactly are his arms supposed to be when sliding in to block the shot?
Surely the closeness of the arm to where ball was struck means no pen. Or does that rule not apply to city....
Think they should be asking for a replay
You're trying too hard
Such bantz
UAE trips and money go a long way in the PL. City will stroll to another title with officials' help.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 27, 2023, 11:42:19 PMQuote from: J70 on December 27, 2023, 10:21:46 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 27, 2023, 09:59:42 PMThey gave that penalty very quickly. Have seen other more obvious handballs not given!
They often give that one, but it's a joke, just like much of the handball rules these days. Where exactly are his arms supposed to be when sliding in to block the shot?
Surely the closeness of the arm to where ball was struck means no pen. Or does that rule not apply to city....
When you consider the penalty Everton didn't get a few seasons back against Man City at Goodison it must be particularly annoying to see that pen given yesterday.
Quote from: jcpen on December 28, 2023, 09:29:54 AMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 27, 2023, 11:42:19 PMQuote from: J70 on December 27, 2023, 10:21:46 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 27, 2023, 09:59:42 PMThey gave that penalty very quickly. Have seen other more obvious handballs not given!
They often give that one, but it's a joke, just like much of the handball rules these days. Where exactly are his arms supposed to be when sliding in to block the shot?
Surely the closeness of the arm to where ball was struck means no pen. Or does that rule not apply to city....
When you consider the penalty Everton didn't get a few seasons back against Man City at Goodison it must be particularly annoying to see that pen given yesterday.
When you consider Odegaard wasn't given the other night it's infuriating. And he actually controlled it. I dont know what a handball is anymore.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 28, 2023, 09:31:22 AMQuote from: jcpen on December 28, 2023, 09:29:54 AMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 27, 2023, 11:42:19 PMQuote from: J70 on December 27, 2023, 10:21:46 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 27, 2023, 09:59:42 PMThey gave that penalty very quickly. Have seen other more obvious handballs not given!
They often give that one, but it's a joke, just like much of the handball rules these days. Where exactly are his arms supposed to be when sliding in to block the shot?
Surely the closeness of the arm to where ball was struck means no pen. Or does that rule not apply to city....
When you consider the penalty Everton didn't get a few seasons back against Man City at Goodison it must be particularly annoying to see that pen given yesterday.
When you consider Odegaard wasn't given the other night it's infuriating. And he actually controlled it. I dont know what a handball is anymore.
nobody does. Thats the issue
HOW do the Everton defenders not throttle Pickford?!
He jumps around like a lunatic shouting every time any shot is taken, yet along a goal.
Then he forgot his mirror for the 3rd goal so didn't know who to shout at...
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on December 28, 2023, 05:05:36 PMHOW do the Everton defenders not throttle Pickford?!
He jumps around like a lunatic shouting every time any shot is taken, yet along a goal.
Then he forgot his mirror for the 3rd goal so didn't know who to shout at...
A real Beano w**ker. Slicked back hair, sleeve tattoo. Confidence far exceeds his ability.
Quote from: trailer on December 28, 2023, 08:07:33 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on December 28, 2023, 05:05:36 PMHOW do the Everton defenders not throttle Pickford?!
He jumps around like a lunatic shouting every time any shot is taken, yet along a goal.
Then he forgot his mirror for the 3rd goal so didn't know who to shout at...
A real Beano w**ker. Slicked back hair, sleeve tattoo. Confidence far exceeds his ability.
And also the reach of his arms...
I would say he probably fits the criteria of someone with behavioural issues if you watch him close enough.
Brighton leading Tottenham 3-0 "Ange-ball" equals leaves your team wide open defensively.
Ange cutting off his nose a bit this evening. Spurs might be decimated but playing Royal ahead of Dier in central defence is an act of madness. And no, I don't rate Dier.
Ball is out at the Emirates for the West Ham goal. Arsenal will feel unlucky.
Enjoying Arsenal getting beat so far. Arteta is another w**ker. Is he playing on the wing? A Spanish ballbag.
Quote from: trailer on December 28, 2023, 09:45:46 PMEnjoying Arsenal getting beat so far. Arteta is another w**ker. Is he playing on the wing? A Spanish ballbag.
Less of a w**ker than Pep and Klopp though.
Does Arteta rotate much? Seems to be the same 11 all the time.
Quote from: J70 on December 28, 2023, 10:06:26 PMDoes Arteta rotate much? Seems to be the same 11 all the time.
Would suggest he's had unusual luck with injuries so far this season.
Quote from: J70 on December 28, 2023, 10:06:26 PMDoes Arteta rotate much? Seems to be the same 11 all the time.
Not as much as Antony! ;D
Quote from: thewobbler on December 28, 2023, 10:08:23 PMQuote from: J70 on December 28, 2023, 10:06:26 PMDoes Arteta rotate much? Seems to be the same 11 all the time.
Would suggest he's had unusual luck with injuries so far this season.
Could be, but it's his first choice eleven mostly. Havertz suspended tonight. Would Partey start now that Rice is there?
Very tight at the top now.
City's to lose. Liverpool are slightly short and too dependent on Salah.
Fairly enjoying the Arsenal meltdown tonight... it was a mm decision and no proof the ball was out so the goal has to stand!!
Arsenal 4 to 1 now for the title, only two points off the top. That's a decent bet.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 28, 2023, 10:44:11 PMArsenal 4 to 1 now for the title, only two points off the top. That's a decent bet.
Results like tonight is why one stays away from betting on Arsenal.
Liverpool the value bet. Five points clear of Manchester City and have to play them in Anfield. Main hopes on catching them rely on a injury prone 32 year old Kevin De Bruyne coming back in flying form.
It's like the grand national over a longer time period. Christmas is Bechers. So is April.
Arsenal have got the breaks with VAR all season. Against Utd, against Newcastle. Time a close one wants against them.
Quote from: J70 on December 28, 2023, 10:19:15 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 28, 2023, 10:08:23 PMQuote from: J70 on December 28, 2023, 10:06:26 PMDoes Arteta rotate much? Seems to be the same 11 all the time.
Would suggest he's had unusual luck with injuries so far this season.
Could be, but it's his first choice eleven mostly. Havertz suspended tonight. Would Partey start now that Rice is there?
Very tight at the top now.
City's to lose. Liverpool are slightly short and too dependent on Salah.
Would agree on City, will only be 2 points behind when they win their game in hand which is mad when you consider how many points they have dropped in the last few weeks.
Missing haaland, Dias and pretty much stones all night the last night. Grealish needs more central too if he's to be played. I'd be surprised if they don't push on. Arsenal faltering already and Liverpool without salah unlikely to do the same damage points wise.
Quote from: trailer on December 29, 2023, 07:26:08 AMArsenal have got the breaks with VAR all season. Against Utd, against Newcastle. Time a close one wants against them.
Wasn't it Newcastle who got the VAR break in that game?
City will win it without doubt, it's almost getting boring now like Germany and France.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 29, 2023, 08:34:39 AMMissing haaland, Dias and pretty much stones all night the last night. Grealish needs more central too if he's to be played. I'd be surprised if they don't push on. Arsenal faltering already and Liverpool without salah unlikely to do the same damage points wise.
The good thing for LFC is that January there's only 2 PL games that Salah will miss, Bournemouth and Chelsea. There are 2 League Cup games and FA cup versus Arsenal. He is unlikely to have started these anyway. Egypt will likely qualify for the last 16 at least so he will miss at least 1 more PL game, but that's against Arsenal. I actually think Endo will be just as big a lose as he is key to how the team is set up. The Asia Cup basically follows the same sequence as the African Nations Cup
Quote from: blasmere on December 29, 2023, 09:53:18 AMQuote from: trailer on December 29, 2023, 07:26:08 AMArsenal have got the breaks with VAR all season. Against Utd, against Newcastle. Time a close one wants against them.
Wasn't it Newcastle who got the VAR break in that game?
City will win it without doubt, it's almost getting boring now like Germany and France.
Sorry yes you're right.
See Jack Grealish is the latest player to have his home burgled while he was playing. Cannot for the life of me understand why a player on a few hundred thousand a week hasn't a private security firm looking after his family and property.
His take home pay would be 6million a year if he's on 250k. How much would full time security cost? 500k a year? Like if he gets security guards at the house it needs to be 365,24/7 cover or what's the point. I imagine that cover doesn't come cheap.
Quote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 01:58:31 PMHis take home pay would be 6million a year if he's on 250k. How much would full time security cost? 500k a year? Like if he gets security guards at the house it needs to be 365,24/7 cover or what's the point. I imagine that cover doesn't come cheap.
How much is a decent security alarm with the 24 hour cover?
Could even hire a security guard at £20000 a year cost?
I'm sure they all have security systems but these targeted attacks of footballers and rich people are usually by highly organised criminal gangs, I can't imagine they are smashing a window to gain entry.
Quote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 01:58:31 PMHis take home pay would be 6million a year if he's on 250k. How much would full time security cost? 500k a year? Like if he gets security guards at the house it needs to be 365,24/7 cover or what's the point. I imagine that cover doesn't come cheap.
500k a year?? Must get into the security industry.
Couple of hired goons. 100k a year tops. Less than a weeks wage.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2023, 03:53:53 PMQuote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 01:58:31 PMHis take home pay would be 6million a year if he's on 250k. How much would full time security cost? 500k a year? Like if he gets security guards at the house it needs to be 365,24/7 cover or what's the point. I imagine that cover doesn't come cheap.
How much is a decent security alarm with the 24 hour cover?
Could even hire a security guard at £20000 a year cost?
£20k a year would get you less than 40 hours a week. Who covers the other 128+ hours?
Quote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 07:50:38 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2023, 03:53:53 PMQuote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 01:58:31 PMHis take home pay would be 6million a year if he's on 250k. How much would full time security cost? 500k a year? Like if he gets security guards at the house it needs to be 365,24/7 cover or what's the point. I imagine that cover doesn't come cheap.
How much is a decent security alarm with the 24 hour cover?
Could even hire a security guard at £20000 a year cost?
£20k a year would get you less than 40 hours a week. Who covers the other 128+ hours?
That's ok, how many hours will be needed? He starts at 11pm finishes at 7am
Thieves will only break into houses which have zero protection, if there is visual protection they'll move on to the next one.
As I said on the other thread social media is a curse, brandishing top end stuff on social media sites just puts a big fecking target on your back.
Quote from: trailer on December 29, 2023, 06:30:19 PMQuote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 01:58:31 PMHis take home pay would be 6million a year if he's on 250k. How much would full time security cost? 500k a year? Like if he gets security guards at the house it needs to be 365,24/7 cover or what's the point. I imagine that cover doesn't come cheap.
500k a year?? Must get into the security industry.
Couple of hired goons. 100k a year tops. Less than a weeks wage.
Hired goons? What are you on about! You think Grealish is gonna ring up some UVF crowd or similar wingnuts and tell them to send round a few heavies?
Count it up properly and you'll come to a proper figure. It would take 3 guys doing 8 hour shifts to cover 1 day. 2 of whom would have to be on overtime given they'll be working outside normal hours. Weekend guys would cost double time. Factor in annual leave/sick notice and you're talking 6-7 people minimum to provide 24/7 cover year round. If your willing to work full-time for 1/6th of 100K I'll send Jack on your number.
This is high end crime though not door to door burglaries.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2023, 07:58:48 PMQuote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 07:50:38 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2023, 03:53:53 PMQuote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 01:58:31 PMHis take home pay would be 6million a year if he's on 250k. How much would full time security cost? 500k a year? Like if he gets security guards at the house it needs to be 365,24/7 cover or what's the point. I imagine that cover doesn't come cheap.
How much is a decent security alarm with the 24 hour cover?
Could even hire a security guard at £20000 a year cost?
£20k a year would get you less than 40 hours a week. Who covers the other 128+ hours?
That's ok, how many hours will be needed? He starts at 11pm finishes at 7am
Thieves will only break into houses which have zero protection, if there is visual protection they'll move on to the next one.
As I said on the other thread social media is a curse, brandishing top end stuff on social media sites just puts a big fecking target on your back.
So for 20k he'll get some chump to work 365 nights in the year?
You're contradicting yourself completely here. "thieves will only break into houses with zero protection, if there is visual protection they'll move on to the next one" yet in your previous sentence you suggested the guard would clock off at 7am.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 29, 2023, 08:06:30 PMThis is high end crime though not door to door burglaries.
Exactly. The figure it would take to completely deter high end robbers would be eye-watering, even for multi-millionaire footballers. I can't understand why people are reacting to this like he deserved it. Obscene as his wages may be he earned it honestly and is free to spend it as as he wishes.
I can only assume the reaction against him is your typical Irish begrudgery, bitterness and spite directed at a lad who has been successful rather than directing it towards the pricks who robbed his house. Next time someone they know gets robbed I hope they're as quick to tell them "ah you had it coming".
Quote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 08:14:12 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2023, 07:58:48 PMQuote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 07:50:38 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2023, 03:53:53 PMQuote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 01:58:31 PMHis take home pay would be 6million a year if he's on 250k. How much would full time security cost? 500k a year? Like if he gets security guards at the house it needs to be 365,24/7 cover or what's the point. I imagine that cover doesn't come cheap.
How much is a decent security alarm with the 24 hour cover?
Could even hire a security guard at £20000 a year cost?
£20k a year would get you less than 40 hours a week. Who covers the other 128+ hours?
That's ok, how many hours will be needed? He starts at 11pm finishes at 7am
Thieves will only break into houses which have zero protection, if there is visual protection they'll move on to the next one.
As I said on the other thread social media is a curse, brandishing top end stuff on social media sites just puts a big fecking target on your back.
So for 20k he'll get some chump to work 365 nights in the year?
You're contradicting yourself completely here. "thieves will only break into houses with zero protection, if there is visual protection they'll move on to the next one" yet in your previous sentence you suggested the guard would clock off at 7am.
They only need security when he's not there?
As I said, flaunting wealth on social media can have its downsides
He's lucky they didn't harm his family
Having some protection is better than none, but it's not a million quid a year to run as some figures have been put up
Quote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 08:23:06 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 29, 2023, 08:06:30 PMThis is high end crime though not door to door burglaries.
Exactly. The figure it would take to completely deter high end robbers would be eye-watering, even for multi-millionaire footballers. I can't understand why people are reacting to this like he deserved it. Obscene as his wages may be he earned it honestly and is free to spend it as as he wishes.
I can only assume the reaction against him is your typical Irish begrudgery, bitterness and spite directed at a lad who has been successful rather than directing it towards the pricks who robbed his house. Next time someone they know gets robbed I hope they're as quick to tell them "ah you had it coming".
Yeah people robbing houses are scum and anyone who applauds it needs to take a look at themselves.
Quote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 08:06:00 PMQuote from: trailer on December 29, 2023, 06:30:19 PMQuote from: trileacman on December 29, 2023, 01:58:31 PMHis take home pay would be 6million a year if he's on 250k. How much would full time security cost? 500k a year? Like if he gets security guards at the house it needs to be 365,24/7 cover or what's the point. I imagine that cover doesn't come cheap.
500k a year?? Must get into the security industry.
Couple of hired goons. 100k a year tops. Less than a weeks wage.
Hired goons? What are you on about! You think Grealish is gonna ring up some UVF crowd or similar wingnuts and tell them to send round a few heavies?
Count it up properly and you'll come to a proper figure. It would take 3 guys doing 8 hour shifts to cover 1 day. 2 of whom would have to be on overtime given they'll be working outside normal hours. Weekend guys would cost double time. Factor in annual leave/sick notice and you're talking 6-7 people minimum to provide 24/7 cover year round. If your willing to work full-time for 1/6th of 100K I'll send Jack on your number.
It's just to deter the potential thieves. High end crime? It's shithead opportunistic scumbags. They're not rocket scientists.
Security when he's not there. These robberies almost exclusively take place during night fixtures.
And even count it at mad money say 1mill a year, hire a whole f**king army battalion he'd still be better off. And he can write the cost off against other businesses he'd have.
It's a f**king no brainer lads.
Get some cctv installed and have it monitored by a security firm is the way to go. Cctv systems are cheap these days.
I can't believe Grealish had a million pounds woth of jewelery lying around and no security systems to mind it.
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 29, 2023, 10:28:18 PMGet some cctv installed and have it monitored by a security firm is the way to go. Cctv systems are cheap these days.
I can't believe Grealish had a million pounds woth of jewelery lying around and no security systems to mind it.
Unbelievable
Insured to the full amount?
Quote from: ONeill on December 26, 2023, 10:08:11 PMEmery has a habit of collapsing after a good start.
Joint top of the table. Some collapse alright.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 16, 2023, 08:44:30 PM6 clean sheets in a row for Everton
Haven't had a clean sheet since you posted this.
Quote from: jcpen on December 30, 2023, 05:30:50 PMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on December 16, 2023, 08:44:30 PM6 clean sheets in a row for Everton
Haven't had a clean sheet since you posted this.
He shouldn't have posted that! They'd have more clean sheets...
The 10 point deduction is beginning to bite now although they have a much better conversion rate than Forest and the bottom 3 if they can keep that going.
As I've said already, Arsenal have shit the bed, bit earlier this year with no real pressure being applied.
Looking like City will have one team less to worry about, even if Arsenal get something from this game
Too early to say.
We're still only in December. Plenty of football to be played yet, international players away for a time and a transfer window still to come.
Declan Rice really a journeyman footballer. £100 million for slow lateral passes. Fulham played some nice stuff and unlucky not to make it 3-1.
Arsenal after 20 games last season had 50 points. With €235m spent in the summer to improve their team/squad further it's certainly a surprise to see them 10 points worse off this season.
Quote from: weareros on December 31, 2023, 04:00:51 PMDeclan Rice really a journeyman footballer. £100 million for slow lateral passes. Fulham played some nice stuff and unlucky not to make it 3-1.
Declan Rice not near the quality of player that English journalists and pundits believe he is. West Ham have done just fine without him this season and Arsenal was doing better with Thomas Partey in that role than Rice.
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 31, 2023, 04:12:02 PMArsenal after 20 games last season had 50 points. With €235m spent in the summer to improve their team/squad further it's certainly a surprise to see them 10 points worse off this season.
Who did they buy other than Rice ?
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 31, 2023, 04:34:45 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on December 31, 2023, 04:12:02 PMArsenal after 20 games last season had 50 points. With €235m spent in the summer to improve their team/squad further it's certainly a surprise to see them 10 points worse off this season.
Who did they buy other than Rice ?
Havertz and Timber although they've been unfortunate with him. Also whatever they've agreed to pay for Raya which certainly hasn't helped them.
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 31, 2023, 04:34:45 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on December 31, 2023, 04:12:02 PMArsenal after 20 games last season had 50 points. With €235m spent in the summer to improve their team/squad further it's certainly a surprise to see them 10 points worse off this season.
Who did they buy other than Rice ?
Timber,Havertz and Raya a €3.34m loan deal. The latter two started today along with Rice.
Is havertz not a chump? Looks like he has ability but rarely uses it.
Rice is quality. Don't know what some people are watching.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 01, 2024, 02:07:09 AMRice is quality. Don't know what some people are watching.
100 million is a lot to spend on a central midfielder though. Is he really worth it?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 01, 2024, 02:07:09 AMRice is quality. Don't know what some people are watching.
If he stayed with Ireland he would have cost half the price.
He's a decent player but he's not at the level of a Lampard or Gerrard.
It is tight at the top now. Liverpool in first place have a game in hand but there are just 2 points between first and fifth.
Arsenal need a bigger panel.
Quote from: jcpen on January 01, 2024, 07:31:50 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 01, 2024, 02:07:09 AMRice is quality. Don't know what some people are watching.
If he stayed with Ireland he would have cost half the price.
He's a decent player but he's not at the level of a Lampard or Gerrard.
he's a totally different player to either he's not there to get double figures of goals each season,comparing him to Lampard or Gerrard would-be unfair.
Rice is very good at what he does, it's not the media that makes him a certain starter for a very good England team.
Quote from: statto on January 01, 2024, 11:16:10 AMQuote from: jcpen on January 01, 2024, 07:31:50 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 01, 2024, 02:07:09 AMRice is quality. Don't know what some people are watching.
If he stayed with Ireland he would have cost half the price.
He's a decent player but he's not at the level of a Lampard or Gerrard.
he's a totally different player to either he's not there to get double figures of goals each season,comparing him to Lampard or Gerrard would-be unfair.
Yes Fabinho,Kante would be better examples.
Fancy an old fashion 4-3 Liverpool Newcastle game
50/1 for the craic
Rice is better than Fabinho. Not as good as Kante, but Kante missed games thru injury, Rice doesn't.
More than one right winger in the league who causes Trent problems, but Anthony Gordon always seems to skin him at will. I would have preferred Gakpo to start rather than Diaz, but marginal call. Tripper out for Newky, which could well benefit them as he's had 3 awful games in succession. Haven't seen a huge amount of Livramento but he seems like a very good player.
Wont be long before Eddie Howe gets the sack. Heading for 9th league defeat. Have fallen apart since knocked out of champions league.
Think I'll cash out...
Quote from: Hound on January 01, 2024, 07:43:25 PMRice is better than Fabinho. Not as good as Kante, but Kante missed games thru injury, Rice doesn't.
More than one right winger in the league who causes Trent problems, but Anthony Gordon always seems to skin him at will. I would have preferred Gakpo to start rather than Diaz, but marginal call. Tripper out for Newky, which could well benefit them as he's had 3 awful games in succession. Haven't seen a huge amount of Livramento but he seems like a very good player.
Not sure about Rice being better than Fabinho. Rice is a competent footballer in every department but has no outstanding attributes. He makes most teams but I don't think he improves a good side. I'm not even sure he's an upgrade on Xhaka, who turned out quite good in the end after a rubbish start.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 01, 2024, 06:22:20 PMFancy an old fashion 4-3 Liverpool Newcastle game
50/1 for the craic
Did they offer you a decent cash out?
Quote from: Gael85 on January 01, 2024, 09:15:19 PMWont be long before Eddie Howe gets the sack. Heading for 9th league defeat. Have fallen apart since knocked out of champions league.
With Manchester City and Aston Villa to play in his next two Premier League games he'll do well to survive the chop.
Quote from: toby47 on January 01, 2024, 10:03:34 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 01, 2024, 06:22:20 PMFancy an old fashion 4-3 Liverpool Newcastle game
50/1 for the craic
Did they offer you a decent cash out?
At 4-2 they were offering 20 quid on 90 minutes for a fiver....
I cashed out..
£255 had Newcastle scored
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 01, 2024, 10:05:08 PMQuote from: Gael85 on January 01, 2024, 09:15:19 PMWont be long before Eddie Howe gets the sack. Heading for 9th league defeat. Have fallen apart since knocked out of champions league.
With Manchester City and Aston Villa to play in his next two Premier League games he'll do well to survive the chop.
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Everton wouldn't have been awarded either of those two penalties yesterday. In fact an everton player would probably have been booked for diving.
I'd say Howe will be gone early in the New Year. I know he has a lot of injuries but you are playing a massively intense sttule of play and the squad can't cope. It's hardly news that Wilson and Isak are prone to injuries either! Still he has done very well overall and he hasn't really splashed all that oil money.
I reckon the January window will see a lot of teams after squad players. Like Spurs will need depth and so will a few more.
United need to keep clearing out lads but also need more solid pros at the same time...
If De Bruyne comes back flying that's like a new signing and Haaland will be firing too, which is ominous.
United need someone who can put the ball in the net at least every other game. Lord knows if they'll be able to find anyone like that this month though.
Casemiro and Martinez will be some additions when they're fit.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 02, 2024, 04:10:09 PMEverton wouldn't have been awarded either of those two penalties yesterday. In fact an everton player would probably have been booked for diving.
As a Liverpool fan what you say is probably 100% correct. Thems the ways - we've not got all the calls either. I'd be more worried about the blind eye turned to Man City.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 02, 2024, 04:10:09 PMEverton wouldn't have been awarded either of those two penalties yesterday. In fact an everton player would probably have been booked for diving.
Like when Calvert Lewin was "tripped" by TAA who was on the ground in front of him with his back to him a couple of seasons back?
Quote from: J70 on January 02, 2024, 08:02:20 PMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on January 02, 2024, 04:10:09 PMEverton wouldn't have been awarded either of those two penalties yesterday. In fact an everton player would probably have been booked for diving.
Like when Calvert Lewin was "tripped" by TAA who was on the ground in front of him with his back to him a couple of seasons back?
Everton are the only club where a player has been retrospectively given a ban for diving or 'simulation'.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 02, 2024, 04:10:09 PMEverton wouldn't have been awarded either of those two penalties yesterday.
100% correct. But then again Everton wouldn't have created such chances in the opposition box, so hard to be awarded penos in such circumstances
Not the premier league, but there is no other team that would have a player sent off by var like dominic Calvert lewin was last night
VAR is a joke
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 05, 2024, 07:52:03 PMNot the premier league, but there is no other team that would have a player sent off by var like dominic Calvert lewin was last night
VAR is a joke
That's some chip you have.
Would a Jersey change not of been handier in this Newcastle Sunderland game.
Probably time to splash out on the colour telly.
Spurs have picked up Timo Werner on loan from rb Leipzig. Good news for their opponents imho.
He was awful at Chelsea. Couldn't hit a barn door.
Both United and Spurs were after him. He was good last year, but has not played well this season. Odds are he won't go well for Spurs, but worth the gamble. For every Vieria, Salah, de Bruyne who failed at a big club and went on to be truly world class there are scores who failed and failed again and again, but at a reasonably cheap short term price, you can't blame Spurs for having a go (I think he would have suited Utd more than Spurs, but we'll see)
I think he'll enjoy things at Spurs more. When at Leipzig he had the freedom of the park. When at Chelsea he was stuck on the wing, and he was one of 5-6 wingers who all faltered under through a combination of pressure, squad rotation and tactics. Postecoglu might just give him his freedom back.
Spurs have quite a few attacking options already, so that's a bit of a surprise. Who loses out to him, or is he there to strengthen the bench?
Edit: Didn't realize Son was off to the Asian Cup for a month. Makes more sense to me now.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2024/0107/1425242-arteta-admits-arsenal-need-a-psychological-reset/
Arteta's side now have just one win in seven matches across all competitions and the boss agreed his side risk falling into a mental slump after failing to find the finishing touch.
He said: "Probably it has [become a psychological issue]. Especially after today, more than it was against Fulham or West Ham before that. That's why I think we need to reset. This break is good. It comes in a good time.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 06, 2024, 10:25:53 PMSpurs have quite a few attacking options already, so that's a bit of a surprise. Who loses out to him, or is he there to strengthen the bench?
Edit: Didn't realize Son was off to the Asian Cup for a month. Makes more sense to me now.
Direct replacement for Son, it is a gamble but don't think it is a massive one. He performs well in quick attacking teams which Spurs definitely are now.
Be interesting to see how he goes to be fair.
I think he's a good player. Great on the break, full of running, just not a finisher. A bit like Nunez, albeit not as explosive or physical.
Chelsea beaten and didn't score against injury hit 12th place championship team tonight.
More moves for Spurs with Dragusin coming in. No that I know much about the lad, but people seem to be getting excited.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 09, 2024, 10:11:33 PMChelsea beaten and didn't score against injury hit 12th place championship team tonight.
The last thing Chelsea naeed is to go far in a pointless competition
Quote from: seafoid on January 10, 2024, 10:38:12 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 09, 2024, 10:11:33 PMChelsea beaten and didn't score against injury hit 12th place championship team tonight.
The last thing Chelsea naeed is to go far in a pointless competition
Its the semi final, they have two games to win a pointless competition, and based on how their season is going, winning a pointless competition might not be pointless ;)
Quote from: seafoid on January 10, 2024, 10:38:12 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 09, 2024, 10:11:33 PMChelsea beaten and didn't score against injury hit 12th place championship team tonight.
The last thing Chelsea naeed is to go far in a pointless competition
If a pointless competition why has Guardiola bother to win it 4 times with Man City?
For Chelsea no European football, mid table in the league they are one team that needed a cup run and then if possible win a trophy under a their new manager.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 09, 2024, 10:11:33 PMChelsea beaten and didn't score against injury hit 12th place championship team tonight.
The last thing Chelsea need is to go far in a pointless competition
They've another game anyway and worst / best case one more in the final. That ship has kind of sailed.
Quote from: seafoid on January 10, 2024, 12:37:20 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 09, 2024, 10:11:33 PMChelsea beaten and didn't score against injury hit 12th place championship team tonight.
The last thing Chelsea need is to go far in a pointless competition
Think you have made a pointless post ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2024, 12:54:00 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 10, 2024, 12:37:20 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 09, 2024, 10:11:33 PMChelsea beaten and didn't score against injury hit 12th place championship team tonight.
The last thing Chelsea need is to go far in a pointless competition
Think you have made a pointless post ;)
The same pointless post made twice is seafoid malfunctioning.
Burnley got robbed by the ref and var last night. Burnley goalkeeper was clearly obstructed by a Luton player leading to an open goal and equaliser for Luton.
VAR or whoever was behind it last night clearly doesn't underdtand the game.
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 13, 2024, 08:38:48 AMBurnley got robbed by the ref and var last night. Burnley goalkeeper was clearly obstructed by a Luton player leading to an open goal and equaliser for Luton.
VAR or whoever was behind it last night clearly doesn't underdtand the game.
Games since last VAR controversy -
0
The Luton player stood his ground, surely the expectation isn't that players are to roll out the red carpet for Keepers?
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 13, 2024, 01:12:50 PMThe Luton player stood his ground, surely the expectation isn't that players are to roll out the red carpet for Keepers?
He came well out, ya can't be giving frees for people running into to ya!
City showing tonight why anyone writing them off is a fool. Major win for them, would expect now to see them push on like they always do.
Quote from: jcpen on January 13, 2024, 07:30:26 PMCity showing tonight why anyone writing them off is a fool. Major win for them, would expect now to see them push on like they always do.
It's nice of them to pretend to be average for half of the season before going on an endless winning run, doing their bit to make it exciting
Unless De Bruyne gets injured City will win it.
City are not going on an endless winning run. They will drop points between now and May.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 13, 2024, 07:37:31 PMCity are not going on an endless winning run. They will drop points between now and May.
They say that every year
They'll drop points as will other teams...
2 horse race
Quote from: jcpen on January 13, 2024, 07:30:26 PMCity showing tonight why anyone writing them off is a fool. Major win for them, would expect now to see them push on like they always do.
Quote from: jcpen on January 13, 2024, 07:30:26 PMQuote from: jcpen on January 13, 2024, 07:30:26 PMCity showing tonight why anyone writing them off is a fool. Major win for them, would expect now to see them push on like they always do.
City showing tonight why anyone writing them off is a fool. Major win for them, would expect now to see them push on like they always do.
They just about saw off the most out-of-form team in the league.
Great use of the quote function there,well done.
Quote from: jcpen on January 13, 2024, 09:27:26 PMQuote from: jcpen on January 13, 2024, 09:27:26 PMGreat use of the quote function there,well done.
Great use of the quote function there,well done.
Quote from: jcpen on January 13, 2024, 09:27:26 PMGreat use of the quote function there,well done.
Thanks
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2024, 08:23:23 PMThey'll drop points as will other teams...
2 horse race
With the chasing horse (Manchester City) hoping the front runner slips up on a few fences.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 14, 2024, 12:03:12 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2024, 08:23:23 PMThey'll drop points as will other teams...
2 horse race
With the chasing horse (Manchester City) hoping the front runner slips up on a few fences.
They're 2 points off top with De Bruyne back. City will win it again with a bit to spare , and it'll be zero craic, again
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 14, 2024, 12:03:12 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2024, 08:23:23 PMThey'll drop points as will other teams...
2 horse race
With the chasing horse (Manchester City) hoping the front runner slips up on a few fences.
Liverpool are great odds at 5/2, with it in their hands and that difficult game at home...
City had an intense season winning the treble last year, the annoyance of the European Super Cup and World Club Cup this season. When they get their bearings in the next few weeks they'll be a force to be reckoned with. feck me, they've been struggling and they're only two points behind an on fire Liverpool at the top of the table.
They have the players, the squad, the manager, the money.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 14, 2024, 12:20:45 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 14, 2024, 12:03:12 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2024, 08:23:23 PMThey'll drop points as will other teams...
2 horse race
With the chasing horse (Manchester City) hoping the front runner slips up on a few fences.
They're 2 points off top with De Bruyne back. City will win it again with a bit to spare , and it'll be zero craic, again
De Bruyne has returned from injury looking like a teenager from 1991
Quote from: jcpen on January 13, 2024, 07:30:26 PMCity showing tonight why anyone writing them off is a fool. Major win for them, would expect now to see them push on like they always do.
It was a massive win.
Two great goals by Newcastle after City had been looking really good, gave Newcastle a great chance. But Newcastle were just a bit too negative in the second half, they offered next to nothing on the break and ran out of legs. Nearly got away with the draw, but City showed why the bookies have them as very warm favourites.
Grealish falling down the pecking order with Doku back fit and picked ahead of him, and then Bobb chosen to come on ahead of him when Doku replaced. I'd be surprised if he doesn't move this summer, maybe to Newcastle.
Quote from: Hound on January 14, 2024, 01:37:22 PMQuote from: jcpen on January 13, 2024, 07:30:26 PMCity showing tonight why anyone writing them off is a fool. Major win for them, would expect now to see them push on like they always do.
It was a massive win.
Two great goals by Newcastle after City had been looking really good, gave Newcastle a great chance. But Newcastle were just a bit too negative in the second half, they offered next to nothing on the break and ran out of legs. Nearly got away with the draw, but City showed why the bookies have them as very warm favourites.
Grealish falling down the pecking order with Doku back fit and picked ahead of him, and then Bobb chosen to come on ahead of him when Doku replaced. I'd be surprised if he doesn't move this summer, maybe to Newcastle.
Newcastle will not be spending the kind of money that they'd need to to get Grealish. And especially not in a position where they have Gordon and Barnes. They are hamstrung by FFP. Mainly because they haven't sold anyone for decent money in the past 3 years.
Quote from: shark on January 14, 2024, 01:43:32 PMQuote from: Hound on January 14, 2024, 01:37:22 PMQuote from: jcpen on January 13, 2024, 07:30:26 PMCity showing tonight why anyone writing them off is a fool. Major win for them, would expect now to see them push on like they always do.
It was a massive win.
Two great goals by Newcastle after City had been looking really good, gave Newcastle a great chance. But Newcastle were just a bit too negative in the second half, they offered next to nothing on the break and ran out of legs. Nearly got away with the draw, but City showed why the bookies have them as very warm favourites.
Grealish falling down the pecking order with Doku back fit and picked ahead of him, and then Bobb chosen to come on ahead of him when Doku replaced. I'd be surprised if he doesn't move this summer, maybe to Newcastle.
Newcastle will not be spending the kind of money that they'd need to to get Grealish. And especially not in a position where they have Gordon and Barnes. They are hamstrung by FFP. Mainly because they haven't sold anyone for decent money in the past 3 years.
When will the fake Saudi sponsorship kick in?
Quote from: shark on January 14, 2024, 01:43:32 PMQuote from: Hound on January 14, 2024, 01:37:22 PMQuote from: jcpen on January 13, 2024, 07:30:26 PMCity showing tonight why anyone writing them off is a fool. Major win for them, would expect now to see them push on like they always do.
It was a massive win.
Two great goals by Newcastle after City had been looking really good, gave Newcastle a great chance. But Newcastle were just a bit too negative in the second half, they offered next to nothing on the break and ran out of legs. Nearly got away with the draw, but City showed why the bookies have them as very warm favourites.
Grealish falling down the pecking order with Doku back fit and picked ahead of him, and then Bobb chosen to come on ahead of him when Doku replaced. I'd be surprised if he doesn't move this summer, maybe to Newcastle.
Newcastle will not be spending the kind of money that they'd need to to get Grealish. And especially not in a position where they have Gordon and Barnes. They are hamstrung by FFP. Mainly because they haven't sold anyone for decent money in the past 3 years.
Heard on radio this morning only sold two players over 10 million since the takeover and one of those was Chris Wood who was sold at a loss.Would think if Grealish was moving it may be back to villa particularly if make top 4.
United could do with him!
Why isn't Howe under the same pressure as ETH? And don't mention injuries, as United have a bucket load too.
Yet Howe gets a byeball by the press cause he's English?
Newcastle form is shocking
Quote from: 5times5times on January 14, 2024, 02:59:04 PMWhy isn't Howe under the same pressure as ETH? And don't mention injuries, as United have a bucket load too.
Yet Howe gets a byeball by the press cause he's English?
Newcastle form is shocking
They're a small club and they've spent a tiny fraction of United in the last decade.
Quote from: 5times5times on January 14, 2024, 02:59:04 PMWhy isn't Howe under the same pressure as ETH? And don't mention injuries, as United have a bucket load too.
Yet Howe gets a byeball by the press cause he's English?
Newcastle form is shocking
Man United while a long way off their glory years they remain one of most talked about clubs in the world. UK journalists will write many articles about them as they know the attention they'll received.
Newcastle have never grabbed that big of an interest and that includes back in the 90s when Sky Sports tried their best to hype them up with the label the great entertainers.
Howe can go about his business without the heavy media criticism but this could well be his last season as Newcastle owners seek another manager.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 12:22:15 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 14, 2024, 12:03:12 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2024, 08:23:23 PMThey'll drop points as will other teams...
2 horse race
With the chasing horse (Manchester City) hoping the front runner slips up on a few fences.
Liverpool are great odds at 5/2, with it in their hands and that difficult game at home...
So great that plenty of Liverpool supporters has probably grabbed those odds already. In March they have Manchester City in Anfield a draw will do Liverpool there and if they win it likely end whatever chance Pep Guardiola team has of catching them.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 14, 2024, 12:30:03 AMCity had an intense season winning the treble last year, the annoyance of the European Super Cup and World Club Cup this season. When they get their bearings in the next few weeks they'll be a force to be reckoned with. feck me, they've been struggling and they're only two points behind an on fire Liverpool at the top of the table.
They have the players, the squad, the manager, the money.
This fella on ignore lists already and I'm late to the party?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 14, 2024, 07:06:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 12:22:15 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 14, 2024, 12:03:12 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2024, 08:23:23 PMThey'll drop points as will other teams...
2 horse race
With the chasing horse (Manchester City) hoping the front runner slips up on a few fences.
Liverpool are great odds at 5/2, with it in their hands and that difficult game at home...
So great that plenty of Liverpool supporters has probably grabbed those odds already. In March they have Manchester City in Anfield a draw will do Liverpool there and if they win it likely end whatever chance Pep Guardiola team has of catching them.
And if they don't win it you and the other amadáns can post about how they "bottled it". So boringly predictable.
You have issues.
Quote from: jcpen on January 14, 2024, 07:21:11 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 14, 2024, 07:06:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2024, 12:22:15 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 14, 2024, 12:03:12 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2024, 08:23:23 PMThey'll drop points as will other teams...
2 horse race
With the chasing horse (Manchester City) hoping the front runner slips up on a few fences.
Liverpool are great odds at 5/2, with it in their hands and that difficult game at home...
So great that plenty of Liverpool supporters has probably grabbed those odds already. In March they have Manchester City in Anfield a draw will do Liverpool there and if they win it likely end whatever chance Pep Guardiola team has of catching them.
And if they don't win it you and the other amadáns can post about how they "bottled it". So boringly predictable.
You have issues.
A non Liverpool fan ;D
Nothing is won on here..Chill
Everton, at it again!! Talk of another points deduction after a new charge, as well as Nottingham Forest this time.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2024, 04:27:46 PMEverton, at it again!! Talk of another points deduction after a new charge, as well as Nottingham Forest this time.
If this does happen City will be fucked by the time their case is heard.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2024, 04:27:46 PMEverton, at it again!! Talk of another points deduction after a new charge, as well as Nottingham Forest this time.
It's a new charge for the same period of time they got the first points deduction...
This one is strange and it looks like the Premier League are about to re-write their rules in the summer with whatever they're charging Everton for won't be an issue
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Is there not one extra season in this one?
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 15, 2024, 04:53:45 PMIs there not one extra season in this one?
yes there is, 2022/2023 season, my bad.
The point remains though as these rules are based on a rolling three season period, so say Everton were out of kilter in 2021/2022 they'd get punished twice for the same bad year or years.
Unfortunately it's the way the rules are written >:(
Quote from: trailer on January 15, 2024, 04:39:29 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2024, 04:27:46 PMEverton, at it again!! Talk of another points deduction after a new charge, as well as Nottingham Forest this time.
If this does happen City will be fucked by the time their case is heard.
It must be at least a year ago that I heard about 115 charges against City.
So what is happening with that? Will there be a hearing/court case anytime soon?
I would guess Everton will get a deduction of 3 points or less this time as the previous punishment will be taken into account.
City is completely different. They have not breached financial fair play. They may have breached arm's length rules with sponsorship deals. Well they 100% have broken those rules as they got sponsorship deals well in excess of the market rates. But it's much harder to prove.
On the other hand Forest and Everton's own accounts show they have breached FFP. Forest's excuse that had we sold Brennan Johnson a couple of months earlier we would have been fine, so therefore we shouldn't be punished is laughable.
Chelsea a good example of how to use the rules to your advantage. Get your sales done by 30 June and give long term contracts. Albeit not always buying the right players and the long term contracts to mediocre players will surely come back to bite at some stage!
Are FFP and PSR completely different things? They have to be very linked but are presumably not exactly the same thing too?
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2024, 11:31:04 AMAre FFP and PSR completely different things? They have to be very linked but are presumably not exactly the same thing too?
FFP is UEFA/ FIFA - PSR is only for the PL clubs.
They really really need to address the City issues. It isn't a good look to be imposing penalties on Everton and Forest, with seemingly no movement on the 115 charges against City.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 16, 2024, 12:15:46 PMThey really really need to address the City issues. It isn't a good look to be imposing penalties on Everton and Forest, with seemingly no movement on the 115 charges against City.
From what I have heard the City charges go back nearly 10 years and therefore are taking longer to deal with, that and City are not cooperating.
Everton were working with the PL and thought that they were doing the right thing that is why they are so furious about the 10 point deduction.
It is a mess but it is supposed to be in place to stop clubs going to the wall.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 16, 2024, 12:15:46 PMThey really really need to address the City issues. It isn't a good look to be imposing penalties on Everton and Forest, with seemingly no movement on the 115 charges against City.
i think everyone agrees with this
these teams co operated and are getting hammered
city dont cooperate and their case drags on forever
I think City's issues are completely different to Forrest and Everton's
It's not like for like
Forrest and Everton couldn't hide what they did wrong
City are able to stretch out their problems a lot longer
Chelsea seem to have found a loop hole and they are getting away with it at the minute or at least till that loophole can be sorted out..
As mentioned, it was to stop clubs going to the wall, City and Chelsea won't be going to the wall any day soon.
Forrest and to an extent Everton are not totally flushed, so for them and others its important
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2024, 12:59:15 PMI think City's issues are completely different to Forrest and Everton's
It's not like for like
Forrest and Everton couldn't hide what they did wrong
City are able to stretch out their problems a lot longer
Chelsea seem to have found a loop hole and they are getting away with it at the minute or at least till that loophole can be sorted out..
As mentioned, it was to stop clubs going to the wall, City and Chelsea won't be going to the wall any day soon.
Forrest and to an extent Everton are not totally flushed, so for them and others its important
It was created to stop another City or Chelsea happening. To pull up the ladder. And it is working as intended. Newcastle and, to a lesser extend Villa, have owners who are absolutely loaded but who cannot spend their way to the top like the aforementioned. Villa have indefinitely delayed the planned expansion of Villa Park as to do so would mean they will not be able to adequately invest in players over the next few years. Even though their owners can afford to do both.
FFP is complete horseshit, and only suits the clubs who happened to be at the top of the tree at the right time.
Quote from: shark on January 16, 2024, 01:10:57 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2024, 12:59:15 PMI think City's issues are completely different to Forrest and Everton's
It's not like for like
Forrest and Everton couldn't hide what they did wrong
City are able to stretch out their problems a lot longer
Chelsea seem to have found a loop hole and they are getting away with it at the minute or at least till that loophole can be sorted out..
As mentioned, it was to stop clubs going to the wall, City and Chelsea won't be going to the wall any day soon.
Forrest and to an extent Everton are not totally flushed, so for them and others its important
It was created to stop another City or Chelsea happening. To pull up the ladder. And it is working as intended. Newcastle and, to a lesser extend Villa, have owners who are absolutely loaded but who cannot spend their way to the top like the aforementioned. Villa have indefinitely delayed the planned expansion of Villa Park as to do so would mean they will not be able to adequately invest in players over the next few years. Even though their owners can afford to do both.
FFP is complete horseshit, and only suits the clubs who happened to be at the top of the tree at the right time.
So it's nothing to do with clubs over spending and going bankrupt?
I've said that certain clubs will not go under, others not in same position but will spend more than they have at trying to stay in the PL
FFP is working and has City worried. If the threat wasn't looming over them, they'd have reinforced heavily this window.
Clubs who have gone under (Bury and Macclesfield are the only recent ones in England I can think of) or who have gone close in the past, have done so due to terrible owners. FFP does not prevent that. The rules have been enforced far more strenuously in the football league , and it hasn't stopped the current situation at Reading occurring.
The narrative that FFP is there to save clubs from themselves is a nice one. It's not true though. And it has created a ridiculous side effect of clubs selling off their academy players as the rules dictate that the profit does not have to be amortised.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 16, 2024, 01:21:26 PMFFP is working and has City worried. If the threat wasn't looming over them, they'd have reinforced heavily this window.
Over 200 million spent in the summer transfer window is not bad going on a squad that just won the treble.
Quote from: shark on January 16, 2024, 01:28:59 PMClubs who have gone under (Bury and Macclesfield are the only recent ones in England I can think of) or who have gone close in the past, have done so due to terrible owners. FFP does not prevent that. The rules have been enforced far more strenuously in the football league , and it hasn't stopped the current situation at Reading occurring.
The narrative that FFP is there to save clubs from themselves is a nice one. It's not true though. And it has created a ridiculous side effect of clubs selling off their academy players as the rules dictate that the profit does not have to be amortised.
Gretna in Scotland is the best example of things going Pete Tong. Once the millionaire owner left the club folded. The rules are there to protect the clubs and the clubs all agreed and freely signed up to them.
You're allowed loads of degradations. Everton went to the PL and told them they were gonna be in breach. The league told them what to do to avoid a breach but they ploughed on buying players anyway.
The panel is totally independent.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 16, 2024, 12:15:46 PMThey really really need to address the City issues. It isn't a good look to be imposing penalties on Everton and Forest, with seemingly no movement on the 115 charges against City.
115 charges takes a lot more time to sort than just one. Cities day will come, it has to now, after seeing the punishment for just one breach. Thing is city have being managing their finances using creative ways to get money into the club, the owner making shell companies to sponsor them etc. It's not exactly like Everton.
Forest and Everton is black and white, out in the open, "we broke the rules".
City are accused of lying and conspiring with a bunch of foreign sponsors and are fighting the charges with high powered lawyers.
It takes time to build the case.
Everton have created the hole themselves being very poorly run for almost a decade.
Splurge on crap players and huge wages.
Then pay offs for sacking managers
Low match day revenue and poor commercial sales of merchandise and rights.
Then COVID hit
The war in Ukraine - Usmanov money dried up
Building a stadium and the financing not properly in place
The proposed new owners have supposedly loaned £120m already to the club to keep them afloat.
West Ham United currently 6th in the Premier League knocked out of the FA Cup tonight by Bristol City 14th in the championship.
Anybody able to help get hold of Man City tickets or put me in touch with someone who can?
Ivan Toney back after eight-month ban with a goal and a win.
Important win for Liverpool that, very impressive in the second half against an in form Bournemouth.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 09, 2024, 10:11:33 PMChelsea beaten and didn't score against injury hit 12th place championship team tonight.
Chelsea win and score 6 against 11th place Championship team tonight.
Quote from: jcpen on January 23, 2024, 09:52:38 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 09, 2024, 10:11:33 PMChelsea beaten and didn't score against injury hit 12th place championship team tonight.
Chelsea win and score 6 against 11th place Championship team tonight.
That's wonderful. Forgot that match was even on tonight. Will Chelsea next week even score one goal and avoid defeat against the league Champions elect Liverpool you support?
A foul on the goalkeeper or correct call to give that goal to Man City in the FA Cup tonight against Tottenham?
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 26, 2024, 09:54:32 PMA foul on the goalkeeper or correct call to give that goal to Man City in the FA Cup tonight against Tottenham?
Spurs supporters would be clutching for that to be disallowed
Some win for Luton last night and great to see Ogbene flying.
Pochettino will be getting the P45 soon.
Quote from: Gael85 on January 31, 2024, 09:03:42 PMPochettino will be getting the P45 soon.
Not sure they have been improving of late and that was always going be a nightmare fixture for any team under lights at Anfield in the week that it is.The run to the cup final will probably have bought him some time and they have been playing with no centre forward all season.
Have any of ye ever been at a league cup final at Wembley?
Would it be hard to get tickets?
Ive often gone to games before and got tickets right before KO for soccer and rugby but never at Wembley.
I want them at Face Value not from those crazy price ticket websites.
Everton 2 points from last 5 and now in drop zone, one point behind Luton who have a game in hand.
Quote from: seafoid on February 01, 2024, 05:51:33 PMEverton 2 points from last 5 and now in drop zone, one point behind Luton who have a game in hand.
Defensively relatively sound, but can't score for toffee..
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 31, 2024, 11:21:56 AMSome win for Luton last night and great to see Ogbene flying.
Luton involded in one of the games of the season this afternoon. 4-4 with Newcastle with perhaps one final twist to happen yet?
Are Everton in trouble yet?
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 03, 2024, 05:07:05 PMAre Everton in trouble yet?
If they get the 10 points back then they will be mid table
Good honest and open interview with Paul Merson about his drinking and gambling addiction on the Tommy Tiernan show tonight.
Surprised Nunez isn't starting
He left Anfield the other night in a protective boot. Supposedly has a swollen foot
Arsenal very impressive so far, Liverpool not at the races at all.
Arsenal shooting themselves in the foot right on half time.
Liverpool would take a draw but Arsenal need to win
That was a dreadful performance from Liverpool. Absolutely blessed to be level at the half. Not that Arsenal have created a tonne, but they've been in complete control with Liverpool barely able to string three passes together.
Quote from: J70 on February 04, 2024, 05:24:18 PMThat was a dreadful performance from Liverpool. Absolutely blessed to be level at the half. Not that Arsenal have created a tonne, but they've been in complete control with Liverpool barely able to string three passes together.
Liverpools midfield have been non existent.
Quote from: jcpen on February 04, 2024, 05:20:33 PMArsenal shooting themselves in the foot right on half time.
And now Liverpool do the same
There's more goals in this game
Quote from: statto on January 31, 2024, 11:44:19 PMQuote from: Gael85 on January 31, 2024, 09:03:42 PMPochettino will be getting the P45 soon.
Not sure they have been improving of late and that was always going be a nightmare fixture for any team under lights at Anfield in the week that it is.The run to the cup final will probably have bought him some time and they have been playing with no centre forward all season.
Chelsea beaten and conceded four goal at home to Wolves today. Plenty of managers sacked by Chelsea will be left wondering how and why Pochettino is still their manager.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 04, 2024, 08:13:01 PMQuote from: statto on January 31, 2024, 11:44:19 PMQuote from: Gael85 on January 31, 2024, 09:03:42 PMPochettino will be getting the P45 soon.
Not sure they have been improving of late and that was always going be a nightmare fixture for any team under lights at Anfield in the week that it is.The run to the cup final will probably have bought him some time and they have been playing with no centre forward all season.
Chelsea beaten and conceded four goal at home to Wolves today. Plenty of managers sacked by Chelsea will be left wondering how and why Pochettino is still their manager.
Chelsea not a big club so their loses don't make headlines?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 08:15:01 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 04, 2024, 08:13:01 PMQuote from: statto on January 31, 2024, 11:44:19 PMQuote from: Gael85 on January 31, 2024, 09:03:42 PMPochettino will be getting the P45 soon.
Not sure they have been improving of late and that was always going be a nightmare fixture for any team under lights at Anfield in the week that it is.The run to the cup final will probably have bought him some time and they have been playing with no centre forward all season.
Chelsea beaten and conceded four goal at home to Wolves today. Plenty of managers sacked by Chelsea will be left wondering how and why Pochettino is still their manager.
Chelsea not a big club so their loses don't make headlines?
Appears to be the case. Pochettino is one of UK media favourites and they find it hard to write anything critical about him.
Klopp is a very sore loser
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 04, 2024, 09:52:07 PMKlopp is a very sore loser
To be fair all managers are but he seems to get more criticism than most when he complains.
I think neutrals think he's a sore loser and fans think he's not
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 10:03:23 PMI think neutrals think he's a sore loser and fans think he's not
Possibly. As a neutral myself I think all managers are sore losers when they lose.
I was managing our U14s yesterday and lost to a last minute point so was very sore loser after it as I was convinced there was a pick up off the ground before hand.
Blind ref didn't see it though.
They're all sore losers.
Soccer is a very, very paranoid game (as is Gaelic football). Pundits, players, managers and spectators all seem to buy into a belief that what is said after a game, will impact on how your team is refereed for the next game. Which means an impartial or honest word is rarely spoken.
It's batshit crazy. But this is the cup from which they imbibe.
I wonder how long it will take for big Ange to join everyone else in this regard.
Quote from: jcpen on February 04, 2024, 10:04:41 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 10:03:23 PMI think neutrals think he's a sore loser and fans think he's not
Possibly. As a neutral myself I think all managers are sore losers when they lose.
I was managing our U14s yesterday and lost to a last minute point so was very sore loser after it as I was convinced there was a pick up off the ground before hand.
Blind ref didn't see it though.
You win the match with what you do over 60 minutes, if as you say the ref didn't see it then he can't actually call it.
As a manager I would blame myself for not setting out the team right,or getting the tactics wrong or making the wrong subs and so on, not watch a refs sees or doesn't see
Quote from: thewobbler on February 04, 2024, 10:12:18 PMThey're all sore losers.
Soccer is a very, very paranoid game (as is Gaelic football). Pundits, players, managers and spectators all seem to buy into a belief that what is said after a game, will impact on how your team is refereed for the next game. Which means an impartial or honest word is rarely spoken.
It's batshit crazy. But this is the cup from which they imbibe.
I wonder how long it will take for big Ange to join everyone else in this regard.
I would agree with parts of this but think it's the way journalism has gone wrt journalists looking headlines and taking anything that could be remotely construed as controversial out of context to make a name for themselves. Post interviews have been pretty boring since Gordon strachan at Southampton and that was a long time ago.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 10:17:47 PMQuote from: jcpen on February 04, 2024, 10:04:41 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 10:03:23 PMI think neutrals think he's a sore loser and fans think he's not
Possibly. As a neutral myself I think all managers are sore losers when they lose.
I was managing our U14s yesterday and lost to a last minute point so was very sore loser after it as I was convinced there was a pick up off the ground before hand.
Blind ref didn't see it though.
You win the match with what you do over 60 minutes, if as you say the ref didn't see it then he can't actually call it.
As a manager I would blame myself for not setting out the team right,or getting the tactics wrong or making the wrong subs and so on, not watch a refs sees or doesn't see
Nope it was definitely the refs fault the stupid cnut.
Quote from: jcpen on February 04, 2024, 10:23:35 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 10:17:47 PMQuote from: jcpen on February 04, 2024, 10:04:41 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 10:03:23 PMI think neutrals think he's a sore loser and fans think he's not
Possibly. As a neutral myself I think all managers are sore losers when they lose.
I was managing our U14s yesterday and lost to a last minute point so was very sore loser after it as I was convinced there was a pick up off the ground before hand.
Blind ref didn't see it though.
You win the match with what you do over 60 minutes, if as you say the ref didn't see it then he can't actually call it.
As a manager I would blame myself for not setting out the team right,or getting the tactics wrong or making the wrong subs and so on, not watch a refs sees or doesn't see
Nope it was definitely the refs fault the stupid cnut.
Ok, hopefully you get one with glasses the next time turf/LL ;)
Didn't matter in the end, but I was pretty surprised that the McAllister challenge a few minutes prior to Arsenal's second goal wasn't given as a penalty. Seemed pretty clear-cut to me.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 11:00:50 PMQuote from: jcpen on February 04, 2024, 10:23:35 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 10:17:47 PMQuote from: jcpen on February 04, 2024, 10:04:41 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 10:03:23 PMI think neutrals think he's a sore loser and fans think he's not
Possibly. As a neutral myself I think all managers are sore losers when they lose.
I was managing our U14s yesterday and lost to a last minute point so was very sore loser after it as I was convinced there was a pick up off the ground before hand.
Blind ref didn't see it though.
You win the match with what you do over 60 minutes, if as you say the ref didn't see it then he can't actually call it.
As a manager I would blame myself for not setting out the team right,or getting the tactics wrong or making the wrong subs and so on, not watch a refs sees or doesn't see
Nope it was definitely the refs fault the stupid cnut.
Ok, hopefully you get one with glasses the next time turf/LL ;)
He had glasses the blind fecker. What's a TurfLll
Foden is some player
Man City's title to lose now after that result tonight.
Quote from: jcpen on February 05, 2024, 10:13:43 PMMan City's title to lose now after that result tonight.
100. That's pretty much the league over.
....and they got Copenhagen in the Champions League.
Another treble with a World Cup! theirs to lose
Still 17 games to play so an awful lot can happen but they're exactly where they want to be. Injury crises can often swing momentum in a title chase but as things stand it's hard to see past them doing 4 in a row. If it weren't for a certain German, it'd be 7 in a row.
I think its in both Liverpool's hands and City's hands and that game at Liverpool should make them favourites on the night but maybe not over the rest of the games, but that's their only (on paper) difficult game and its at home.
City are still allowing teams to score against them, so Liverpool will have or make more opportunities than Brentford did last night.
Be interesting to see if any of them drop points leading up to that game. If its a draw it brings Arsenal into it providing they don't slip up, again.
Spurs can maybe have a say on the outcome of the championships still
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 06, 2024, 11:31:06 AMStill 17 games to play so an awful lot can happen but they're exactly where they want to be. Injury crises can often swing momentum in a title chase but as things stand it's hard to see past them doing 4 in a row. If it weren't for a certain German, it'd be 7 in a row.
And even then, for that German to break the sequence, his team had to reach utterly ridiculous levels.
Liverpool's record after 27 games that year was W26 D1 L0.
Even Pep couldn't keep up with that and his team slacked off (relatively speaking - they still ended up with more points than Leicester got in 2016).
The rest of the time, Pep has either held his nerve to finish a point ahead of Klopp, or they've won it with games to spare.
Any chance of FFP sanctions soon? :(
Quote from: J70 on February 06, 2024, 01:24:36 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 06, 2024, 11:31:06 AMStill 17 games to play so an awful lot can happen but they're exactly where they want to be. Injury crises can often swing momentum in a title chase but as things stand it's hard to see past them doing 4 in a row. If it weren't for a certain German, it'd be 7 in a row.
And even then, for that German to break the sequence, his team had to reach utterly ridiculous levels.
Liverpool's record after 27 games that year was W26 D1 L0.
Even Pep couldn't keep up with that and his team slacked off (relatively speaking - they still ended up with more points than Leicester got in 2016).
The rest of the time, Pep has either held his nerve to finish a point ahead of Klopp, or they've won it with games to spare.
I think it will be a long time before we see a team come second but still get 90+ points.
There's some in here going full 'Sky' and, probably hoping beyond anything else that it'll be a 2 or 3 horse race going to the wire.
The reality of it (and it would bore the knickers off you) is that City will win again with a bit to spare.
As someone mentioned above, only for Liverpool, they'd be going for 7 titles in the row, 7! FFP is a goodin'
City will win pulling up. The battle for 2nd place will be more enjoyable.
Quote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 09:37:39 PMThere's some in here going full 'Sky' and, probably hoping beyond anything else that it'll be a 2 or 3 horse race going to the wire.
The reality of it (and it would bore the knickers off you) is that City will win again with a bit to spare.
As someone mentioned above, only for Liverpool, they'd be going for 7 titles in the row, 7! FFP is a goodin'
Liverpool won 12 or so titles in a small period of time. Was it a bore then or was that ok?
Teams have periods of dominance
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2024, 10:53:42 PMQuote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 09:37:39 PMThere's some in here going full 'Sky' and, probably hoping beyond anything else that it'll be a 2 or 3 horse race going to the wire.
The reality of it (and it would bore the knickers off you) is that City will win again with a bit to spare.
As someone mentioned above, only for Liverpool, they'd be going for 7 titles in the row, 7! FFP is a goodin'
Liverpool won 12 or so titles in a small period of time. Was it a bore then or was that ok?
Teams have periods of dominance
You're a contrarian by nature, and happy enough by the sounds of it with how City have managed to dominate, when 99% of non-City fans would have an issue with it, that's OK
Quote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 11:01:26 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2024, 10:53:42 PMQuote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 09:37:39 PMThere's some in here going full 'Sky' and, probably hoping beyond anything else that it'll be a 2 or 3 horse race going to the wire.
The reality of it (and it would bore the knickers off you) is that City will win again with a bit to spare.
As someone mentioned above, only for Liverpool, they'd be going for 7 titles in the row, 7! FFP is a goodin'
Liverpool won 12 or so titles in a small period of time. Was it a bore then or was that ok?
Teams have periods of dominance
You're a contrarian by nature, and happy enough by the sounds of it with how City have managed to dominate, when 99% of non-City fans would have an issue with it, that's OK
I suppose I'm just highlighting the fact that teams can dominate, depending on who you support people will complain about the dominance, then when other teams win people forget about that and so on..
If that's me being a contrarian, I can live with that.
But I'm bored of supporters complaining about being top of the league, with it in their own hands to win, and basically giving up.
Makes no sense, Liverpool won the league by a country mile over City not too far back and now they'll be lucky to stay up going by some of the comments here !
I had Foden as my captain in my FF team at the weekend. Got 40 points for him 98. Overall
Was asking before, have any of ye been to a league cup final in Wembley?
What's the chances of tickets?
Quote from: J70 on February 06, 2024, 01:24:36 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 06, 2024, 11:31:06 AMStill 17 games to play so an awful lot can happen but they're exactly where they want to be. Injury crises can often swing momentum in a title chase but as things stand it's hard to see past them doing 4 in a row. If it weren't for a certain German, it'd be 7 in a row.
And even then, for that German to break the sequence, his team had to reach utterly ridiculous levels.
Liverpool's record after 27 games that year was W26 D1 L0.
Even Pep couldn't keep up with that and his team slacked off (relatively speaking - they still ended up with more points than Leicester got in 2016).
The rest of the time, Pep has either held his nerve to finish a point ahead of Klopp, or they've won it with games to spare.
I honestly think that Kloop is Liverpool's best ever. It's not a level playing field he's on here.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2024, 11:35:54 PMQuote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 11:01:26 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2024, 10:53:42 PMQuote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 09:37:39 PMThere's some in here going full 'Sky' and, probably hoping beyond anything else that it'll be a 2 or 3 horse race going to the wire.
The reality of it (and it would bore the knickers off you) is that City will win again with a bit to spare.
As someone mentioned above, only for Liverpool, they'd be going for 7 titles in the row, 7! FFP is a goodin'
Liverpool won 12 or so titles in a small period of time. Was it a bore then or was that ok?
Teams have periods of dominance
You're a contrarian by nature, and happy enough by the sounds of it with how City have managed to dominate, when 99% of non-City fans would have an issue with it, that's OK
I suppose I'm just highlighting the fact that teams can dominate, depending on who you support people will complain about the dominance, then when other teams win people forget about that and so on..
If that's me being a contrarian, I can live with that.
But I'm bored of supporters complaining about being top of the league, with it in their own hands to win, and basically giving up.
Makes no sense, Liverpool won the league by a country mile over City not too far back and now they'll be lucky to stay up going by some of the comments here !
So, City aside, it's a league of bottlers. Or, maybe, just maybe these teams are giving it everything they have, are playing within their means and don't have squad depth to see it out against a state owned club not playing within their means...?
Quote from: JoG2 on February 07, 2024, 09:21:03 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2024, 11:35:54 PMQuote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 11:01:26 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2024, 10:53:42 PMQuote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 09:37:39 PMThere's some in here going full 'Sky' and, probably hoping beyond anything else that it'll be a 2 or 3 horse race going to the wire.
The reality of it (and it would bore the knickers off you) is that City will win again with a bit to spare.
As someone mentioned above, only for Liverpool, they'd be going for 7 titles in the row, 7! FFP is a goodin'
Liverpool won 12 or so titles in a small period of time. Was it a bore then or was that ok?
Teams have periods of dominance
You're a contrarian by nature, and happy enough by the sounds of it with how City have managed to dominate, when 99% of non-City fans would have an issue with it, that's OK
I suppose I'm just highlighting the fact that teams can dominate, depending on who you support people will complain about the dominance, then when other teams win people forget about that and so on..
If that's me being a contrarian, I can live with that.
But I'm bored of supporters complaining about being top of the league, with it in their own hands to win, and basically giving up.
Makes no sense, Liverpool won the league by a country mile over City not too far back and now they'll be lucky to stay up going by some of the comments here !
So, City aside, it's a league of bottlers. Or, maybe, just maybe these teams are giving it everything they have, are playing within their means and don't have squad depth to see it out against a state owned club not playing within their means...?
The richest clubs have always dominated, when was it any different?
Quote from: JoG2 on February 07, 2024, 09:21:03 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2024, 11:35:54 PMQuote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 11:01:26 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2024, 10:53:42 PMQuote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 09:37:39 PMThere's some in here going full 'Sky' and, probably hoping beyond anything else that it'll be a 2 or 3 horse race going to the wire.
The reality of it (and it would bore the knickers off you) is that City will win again with a bit to spare.
As someone mentioned above, only for Liverpool, they'd be going for 7 titles in the row, 7! FFP is a goodin'
Liverpool won 12 or so titles in a small period of time. Was it a bore then or was that ok?
Teams have periods of dominance
You're a contrarian by nature, and happy enough by the sounds of it with how City have managed to dominate, when 99% of non-City fans would have an issue with it, that's OK
I suppose I'm just highlighting the fact that teams can dominate, depending on who you support people will complain about the dominance, then when other teams win people forget about that and so on..
If that's me being a contrarian, I can live with that.
But I'm bored of supporters complaining about being top of the league, with it in their own hands to win, and basically giving up.
Makes no sense, Liverpool won the league by a country mile over City not too far back and now they'll be lucky to stay up going by some of the comments here !
So, City aside, it's a league of bottlers. Or, maybe, just maybe these teams are giving it everything they have, are playing within their means and don't have squad depth to see it out against a state owned club not playing within their means...?
They are giving it everything they have and the other team is just better? leicester city won it, rich owner, Utd won it, a rich club, Bayern win most years another rich club, Madrid or Barca win, more rich clubs, I could go on, lots of countries have one or two teams that win the league the most.
The odd team (leicester city) win it but by and large the rich clubs win.
Liverpool and the rest just need to put the big boy pants on and roll the sleeves and get on with it, I'd rather be top than in 6th
Perhaps we're just surveying the considerable stack of evidence before us when reaching the conclusion that City will win it again MR2.
And it's not like the team are giving up. But most supporters of any team, once they're beyond the age of 12, are sensible enough to call things as they are.
When Liverpool won it by a country mile they had to reach levels of performance which are simply not sustainable or repeatable.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 07, 2024, 10:02:11 AMQuote from: JoG2 on February 07, 2024, 09:21:03 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2024, 11:35:54 PMQuote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 11:01:26 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2024, 10:53:42 PMQuote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 09:37:39 PMThere's some in here going full 'Sky' and, probably hoping beyond anything else that it'll be a 2 or 3 horse race going to the wire.
The reality of it (and it would bore the knickers off you) is that City will win again with a bit to spare.
As someone mentioned above, only for Liverpool, they'd be going for 7 titles in the row, 7! FFP is a goodin'
Liverpool won 12 or so titles in a small period of time. Was it a bore then or was that ok?
Teams have periods of dominance
You're a contrarian by nature, and happy enough by the sounds of it with how City have managed to dominate, when 99% of non-City fans would have an issue with it, that's OK
I suppose I'm just highlighting the fact that teams can dominate, depending on who you support people will complain about the dominance, then when other teams win people forget about that and so on..
If that's me being a contrarian, I can live with that.
But I'm bored of supporters complaining about being top of the league, with it in their own hands to win, and basically giving up.
Makes no sense, Liverpool won the league by a country mile over City not too far back and now they'll be lucky to stay up going by some of the comments here !
So, City aside, it's a league of bottlers. Or, maybe, just maybe these teams are giving it everything they have, are playing within their means and don't have squad depth to see it out against a state owned club not playing within their means...?
They are giving it everything they have and the other team is just better? leicester city won it, rich owner, Utd won it, a rich club, Bayern win most years another rich club, Madrid or Barca win, more rich clubs, I could go on, lots of countries have one or two teams that win the league the most.
The odd team (leicester city) win it but by and large the rich clubs win.
Liverpool and the rest just need to put the big boy pants on and roll the sleeves and get on with it, I'd rather be top than in 6th
There's a difference between supporters downplaying their chances, and how the team sees their chances. I'd expect that Klopp and the Liverpool players will be going for it.
Quote from: J70 on February 07, 2024, 10:57:18 AMPerhaps we're just surveying the considerable stack of evidence before us when reaching the conclusion that City will win it again MR2.
And it's not like the team are giving up. But most supporters of any team, once they're beyond the age of 12, are sensible enough to call things as they are.
When Liverpool won it by a country mile they had to reach levels of performance which are simply not sustainable or repeatable.
If Pep leaves at the end of the season will City just continue to win the League?
Pep is a special manager, no question. Klopp too. Both well run clubs, you cannot but be impressed by how both clubs have gone about their business last while, on and off field. Klopp had something very special in Merseyside, it's just unfortunate for them they met the perfect storm in City. Great manager and well run club with an unlimited blank cheque book. That's the only difference between the two.
When Pep goes things will even out. It will be nothing to do with other clubs getting their act together or putting on big boy pants. It will be City regressing. The managerial position is that important. FFP or money will not keep them where they are. Look at Utd, have spent more than anyone but don't have a manager of their calibre.
But for now, cannot see past City and it is getting boring. But it will be interesting to see who their next manager is, who Liverpool get in and indeed who's at the helm in Old Trafford next couple of years. There is a change coming soon.
So yes, there has always been clubs with more money, its how they spend it and who they have spending it.
The manager is running the show and my point that was being overlooked is a club like Utd has spent a clean fortune on pure piss and getting nothing out of it, so you can have a blank cheque book and it means nowt
Liverpool showed that they can win the league, Leicester won the league and Chelsea Utd have also won it during that time City have been state owed.
By this logic Newcastle will win the league 7 years in a row, should they get the right manager and players in place. Could happen, who knows
But back your team if you are playing unreal stuff, and beat them at home, home and hosed then
Quote from: J70 on February 07, 2024, 10:57:18 AMPerhaps we're just surveying the considerable stack of evidence before us when reaching the conclusion that City will win it again MR2.
And it's not like the team are giving up. But most supporters of any team, once they're beyond the age of 12, are sensible enough to call things as they are.
When Liverpool won it by a country mile they had to reach levels of performance which are simply not sustainable or repeatable.
82 points would have been enough to win that league title. Mid 80 points will likely be enough to finish 1st this season. At home to City a huge fixture for Liverpoool in the run in and even a draw would be a decent result.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2024, 02:54:08 PMPep is a special manager, no question. Klopp too. Both well run clubs, you cannot but be impressed by how both clubs have gone about their business last while, on and off field. Klopp had something very special in Merseyside, it's just unfortunate for them they met the perfect storm in City. Great manager and well run club with an unlimited blank cheque book. That's the only difference between the two.
When Pep goes things will even out. It will be nothing to do with other clubs getting their act together or putting on big boy pants. It will be City regressing. The managerial position is that important. FFP or money will not keep them where they are. Look at Utd, have spent more than anyone but don't have a manager of their calibre.
But for now, cannot see past City and it is getting boring. But it will be interesting to see who their next manager is, who Liverpool get in and indeed who's at the helm in Old Trafford next couple of years. There is a change coming soon.
As you say Liverpool, Man City are well run clubs and both Klopp and Pep can get the best out of their teams in that environment. At United they have gone through numerous managers the last decade and another change of manager won't make a big difference until they become a well run club. Jury is out on what Radcliffe and Co can do now they have control of the sport side of the club.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 07, 2024, 03:13:31 PMQuote from: J70 on February 07, 2024, 10:57:18 AMPerhaps we're just surveying the considerable stack of evidence before us when reaching the conclusion that City will win it again MR2.
And it's not like the team are giving up. But most supporters of any team, once they're beyond the age of 12, are sensible enough to call things as they are.
When Liverpool won it by a country mile they had to reach levels of performance which are simply not sustainable or repeatable.
82 points would have been enough to win that league title. Mid 80 points will likely be enough to finish 1st this season. At home to City a huge fixture for Liverpoool in the run in and even a draw would be a decent result.
I thought similar last year but this City team have a tendency to hit beast mode from Feb to April, especially when the pressure is really put on them. And their squad affords them more options and unlikely match winners and probably can absorb injuries better.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 07, 2024, 03:13:31 PMQuote from: J70 on February 07, 2024, 10:57:18 AMPerhaps we're just surveying the considerable stack of evidence before us when reaching the conclusion that City will win it again MR2.
And it's not like the team are giving up. But most supporters of any team, once they're beyond the age of 12, are sensible enough to call things as they are.
When Liverpool won it by a country mile they had to reach levels of performance which are simply not sustainable or repeatable.
82 points would have been enough to win that league title. Mid 80 points will likely be enough to finish 1st this season. At home to City a huge fixture for Liverpoool in the run in and even a draw would be a decent result.
That's a wee bit disingenuous.
City ended up on 81 points that year because they basically had thrown in the towel halfway through when they couldn't keep up with the ridiculous pace Liverpool had set.
Had Liverpool had a "normal" race with City, chances are both teams would have driven each other on to finish neck and neck somewhere in the 90s, as happened in the 18-19 and 21-22 seasons.
As for this year, I think it will take at least 90 points to win it. And I think Liverpool will have to beat City at Anfield. Its hard to see City dropping too many points outside of that, and it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they didn't drop any. When it comes down to it, they're easily capable of winning home games against Arsenal and United and Spurs away.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 07, 2024, 03:28:27 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 07, 2024, 02:54:08 PMPep is a special manager, no question. Klopp too. Both well run clubs, you cannot but be impressed by how both clubs have gone about their business last while, on and off field. Klopp had something very special in Merseyside, it's just unfortunate for them they met the perfect storm in City. Great manager and well run club with an unlimited blank cheque book. That's the only difference between the two.
When Pep goes things will even out. It will be nothing to do with other clubs getting their act together or putting on big boy pants. It will be City regressing. The managerial position is that important. FFP or money will not keep them where they are. Look at Utd, have spent more than anyone but don't have a manager of their calibre.
But for now, cannot see past City and it is getting boring. But it will be interesting to see who their next manager is, who Liverpool get in and indeed who's at the helm in Old Trafford next couple of years. There is a change coming soon.
As you say Liverpool, Man City are well run clubs and both Klopp and Pep can get the best out of their teams in that environment. At United they have gone through numerous managers the last decade and another change of manager won't make a big difference until they become a well run club. Jury is out on what Radcliffe and Co can do now they have control of the sport side of the club.
I can see the truth in what you're saying but end of the day bean counters run every club and if the football man in charge is not of strong enough personality or competence, and doesn't impress and domineer to them what exactly he needs from them, or indeed he doesn't truly know himself what he needs, then success is unlikely. It's a balancing act where either or can come first.
Quote from: J70 on February 07, 2024, 04:08:24 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 07, 2024, 03:13:31 PMQuote from: J70 on February 07, 2024, 10:57:18 AMPerhaps we're just surveying the considerable stack of evidence before us when reaching the conclusion that City will win it again MR2.
And it's not like the team are giving up. But most supporters of any team, once they're beyond the age of 12, are sensible enough to call things as they are.
When Liverpool won it by a country mile they had to reach levels of performance which are simply not sustainable or repeatable.
82 points would have been enough to win that league title. Mid 80 points will likely be enough to finish 1st this season. At home to City a huge fixture for Liverpoool in the run in and even a draw would be a decent result.
That's a wee bit disingenuous.
City ended up on 81 points that year because they basically had thrown in the towel halfway through when they couldn't keep up with the ridiculous pace Liverpool had set.
Had Liverpool had a "normal" race with City, chances are both teams would have driven each other on to finish neck and neck somewhere in the 90s, as happened in the 18-19 and 21-22 seasons.
As for this year, I think it will take at least 90 points to win it. And I think Liverpool will have to beat City at Anfield. Its hard to see City dropping too many points outside of that, and it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they didn't drop any. When it comes down to it, they're easily capable of winning home games against Arsenal and United and Spurs away.
Perhaps Liverpool run played on their mindset though In that 2019/2020 season Man City weren't up to their usual high standard. If it was a case of giving up in the league they should have done better in the remaining cup competitions yet they went out tamely to Arsenal who finished 8th in the Premier League season and champions league quarter final exit to Lyon who I believe was 7th in the French league at the time.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 07, 2024, 05:11:09 PMQuote from: J70 on February 07, 2024, 04:08:24 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 07, 2024, 03:13:31 PMQuote from: J70 on February 07, 2024, 10:57:18 AMPerhaps we're just surveying the considerable stack of evidence before us when reaching the conclusion that City will win it again MR2.
And it's not like the team are giving up. But most supporters of any team, once they're beyond the age of 12, are sensible enough to call things as they are.
When Liverpool won it by a country mile they had to reach levels of performance which are simply not sustainable or repeatable.
82 points would have been enough to win that league title. Mid 80 points will likely be enough to finish 1st this season. At home to City a huge fixture for Liverpoool in the run in and even a draw would be a decent result.
That's a wee bit disingenuous.
City ended up on 81 points that year because they basically had thrown in the towel halfway through when they couldn't keep up with the ridiculous pace Liverpool had set.
Had Liverpool had a "normal" race with City, chances are both teams would have driven each other on to finish neck and neck somewhere in the 90s, as happened in the 18-19 and 21-22 seasons.
As for this year, I think it will take at least 90 points to win it. And I think Liverpool will have to beat City at Anfield. Its hard to see City dropping too many points outside of that, and it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they didn't drop any. When it comes down to it, they're easily capable of winning home games against Arsenal and United and Spurs away.
Perhaps Liverpool run played on their mindset though In that 2019/2020 season Man City weren't up to their usual high standard. If it was a case of giving up in the league they should have done better in the remaining cup competitions yet they went out tamely to Arsenal who finished 8th in the Premier League season and champions league quarter final exit to Lyon who I believe was 7th in the French league at the time.
They completely underestimated Lyon (that, and another Pep CL bout of overthinking). And you had Covid.
On the league, what Liverpool did before the Covid outbreak was an utter freak. No one could match it. That HAD to be a factor in City's form, especially coming off a season where Liverpool had put them to the pin of their collars.
Anyway, it's all speculation, but I don't think it is insignificant that the only league Pep's City have lost is the one where the opponent hit a six month streak of form which will likely never be repeated in a league as competitive overall as the PL.
Utd back to zero goal difference..
Anyone know anyone with Chelsea connections.
Trying to get tickets for League cup final
Sterling would have enjoyed that
Chelsea should have 3 or 4 at this stage.
If that wasn't handball at the end, I have no idea what is handball anymore.
Don't worry, the much talked about City "16 wins in a row streak" is right around the corner ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 17, 2024, 07:30:08 PMIf that wasn't handball at the end, I have no idea what is handball anymore.
Would have been very harsh imo
Swung his arm/elbow at it to clear it. Plus his arm was only there because he was pulling on the shirt of the city player.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2024, 07:30:26 PMDon't worry, the much talked about City "16 wins in a row streak" is right around the corner ::) ::) ::)
No streaks in that current Manchester City team. Drawing at home to mediocre Chelsea who Liverpool should beat comfortably in the upcoming Cup final.
Klopp now knows he can lose to Manchester City and still win the league title.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 17, 2024, 07:54:44 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2024, 07:30:26 PMDon't worry, the much talked about City "16 wins in a row streak" is right around the corner ::) ::) ::)
No streaks in that current Manchester City team. Drawing at home to mediocre Chelsea who Liverpool should beat comfortably in the upcoming Cup final.
Klopp now knows he can lose to Manchester City and still win the league title.
If City win game in hand they'll be a point behind Liverpool so I doubt Klopp thinks that.
Quote from: mrdeeds on February 17, 2024, 07:58:06 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 17, 2024, 07:54:44 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2024, 07:30:26 PMDon't worry, the much talked about City "16 wins in a row streak" is right around the corner ::) ::) ::)
No streaks in that current Manchester City team. Drawing at home to mediocre Chelsea who Liverpool should beat comfortably in the upcoming Cup final.
Klopp now knows he can lose to Manchester City and still win the league title.
If City win game in hand they'll be a point behind Liverpool so I doubt Klopp thinks that.
Klopp reads this forum so Captain Obvious is playing mind games with him.
Captain Obvious overlooked the obvious "games played" column, is my guess.
I was impressed with Chelsea today. Gusto and Disasi were excellent in defence. Poch might be getting it together there.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 17, 2024, 07:54:44 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2024, 07:30:26 PMDon't worry, the much talked about City "16 wins in a row streak" is right around the corner ::) ::) ::)
No streaks in that current Manchester City team. Drawing at home to mediocre Chelsea who Liverpool should beat comfortably in the upcoming Cup final.
Klopp now knows he can lose to Manchester City and still win the league title.
It is Arsenals to lose now. Injuries are catching up with Liverpool.
Roy Hodgson has stepped down as Crystal Palace manager hours before their Premier League meeting with Everton.
A Palace statement also confirmed the 76-year-old, who was hospitalised after falling ill during a training session on Thursday, was "out of hospital and doing well".
Oliver Glasner: former Eintracht Frankfurt boss is the new Crystal Palace manager
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 19, 2024, 07:41:08 PMRoy Hodgson has stepped down as Crystal Palace manager hours before their Premier League meeting with Everton.
A Palace statement also confirmed the 76-year-old, who was hospitalised after falling ill during a training session on Thursday, was "out of hospital and doing well".
Oliver Glasner: former Eintracht Frankfurt boss is the new Crystal Palace manager
You'd image a 76 year old would have to have a lot of help in taking charge of a Premier league side. You'd expect there will be enough there short term to keep things stable.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 17, 2024, 07:54:44 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2024, 07:30:26 PMDon't worry, the much talked about City "16 wins in a row streak" is right around the corner ::) ::) ::)
No streaks in that current Manchester City team. Drawing at home to mediocre Chelsea who Liverpool should beat comfortably in the upcoming Cup final.
Klopp now knows he can lose to Manchester City and still win the league title.
They just won seven games on the trot before the Chelsea draw, most without Haaland. Give him a couple of games to get his sharpness back and we'll see how things shape up. March is their tough month.
Quote from: J70 on February 19, 2024, 10:14:19 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 17, 2024, 07:54:44 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2024, 07:30:26 PMDon't worry, the much talked about City "16 wins in a row streak" is right around the corner ::) ::) ::)
No streaks in that current Manchester City team. Drawing at home to mediocre Chelsea who Liverpool should beat comfortably in the upcoming Cup final.
Klopp now knows he can lose to Manchester City and still win the league title.
They just won seven games on the trot before the Chelsea draw, most without Haaland. Give him a couple of games to get his sharpness back and we'll see how things shape up. March is their tough month.
13 games left. It is all psychological now.
Anyone any idea when the PL annojnce the TV schedule for games for April.
Quote from: snoopdog on February 20, 2024, 03:40:21 PMAnyone any idea when the PL annojnce the TV schedule for games for April.
Usually 8-10th of month before. Eg, 5th Feb they released March tv games
Would have been a massive 3 points for Everton that if they had held on. A point still decent at this stage of the season.
Everton points reduction reduced to 6 points. You'd think they'll be safe now.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 26, 2024, 01:40:28 PMEverton points reduction reduced to 6 points. You'd think they'll be safe now.
Have they not another points reduction coming up? Be 4 points I'd say ;D
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 26, 2024, 01:40:28 PMEverton points reduction reduced to 6 points. You'd think they'll be safe now.
Looking at the table, I'd say 9 points is all they need to stay up now (34 points overall). I can't see any of the bottom 3 getting near that total
The Premier League dont seem to have a scooby doo on how to enforce these rules/sanctions.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2024, 01:42:05 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 26, 2024, 01:40:28 PMEverton points reduction reduced to 6 points. You'd think they'll be safe now.
Have they not another points reduction coming up? Be 4 points I'd say ;D
Both Everton and Forest face further charges, thought to be more likely a 3 points deduction, so give with one hand and take with another, net +1 all the same...
Lord help Chelsea and City. ;)
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 26, 2024, 01:40:28 PMEverton points reduction reduced to 6 points. You'd think they'll be safe now.
One would feel sorry for little old Luton then again their manager said recently he always looked at the table without the points reduction for Everton.
Quote from: lurganblue on February 26, 2024, 01:48:26 PMThe Premier League dont seem to have a scooby doo on how to enforce these rules/sanctions.
It's independent.
6 points is still a fair wallop. Everton can have no complaints and I have little sympathy for them. They knew they were going to have a breech of FFP, told the PL that and then after the PL told them how to avoid it they continued to buy players. They took a short term view in order to keep their PL status. Essentially cheating. It has worked for them as they'll swallow this punishment, and most likely stay in the PL.
Quote from: trailer on February 26, 2024, 04:31:53 PMQuote from: lurganblue on February 26, 2024, 01:48:26 PMThe Premier League dont seem to have a scooby doo on how to enforce these rules/sanctions.
It's independent.
6 points is still a fair wallop. Everton can have no complaints and I have little sympathy for them. They knew they were going to have a breech of FFP, told the PL that and then after the PL told them how to avoid it they continued to buy players. They took a short term view in order to keep their PL status. Essentially cheating. It has worked for them as they'll swallow this punishment, and most likely stay in the PL.
would be a good idea to read into it before typing nonsense.
Quote from: trailer on February 26, 2024, 04:31:53 PMQuote from: lurganblue on February 26, 2024, 01:48:26 PMThe Premier League dont seem to have a scooby doo on how to enforce these rules/sanctions.
It's independent.
6 points is still a fair wallop. Everton can have no complaints and I have little sympathy for them. They knew they were going to have a breech of FFP, told the PL that and then after the PL told them how to avoid it they continued to buy players. They took a short term view in order to keep their PL status. Essentially cheating. It has worked for them as they'll swallow this punishment, and most likely stay in the PL.
Everton were £20M over the FFP rules for the three year period in question and complied fully and honestly with the investigation and were still hit with the 10 points penalty.
A big part of that was how they were funding their stadium and whilst some of their transfer dealings were stupid and mad, they'd have been OK if the funding from our Russian Oligarch hadn't been rudely interrupted by Putin deciding to Annex part of Ukraine.
With even the reduction to 6 points, you gotta feel for Forest who are over £100M out of spec, so they'll get 5 times the punishment of Everton ;)
All the while no one is looking at Chelsea and City and heck even United are still carrying a huge debt on their books annually but that's OK as they're able to service that debt!
https://theathletic.com/5006933/2023/10/28/manchester-united-debt-borrowing/ (https://theathletic.com/5006933/2023/10/28/manchester-united-debt-borrowing/)
I get the need for financial controls within the premiership but stop going after the clubs on the margins of these rules when others are flagrantly well out of kilter.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 27, 2024, 11:00:50 AMQuote from: trailer on February 26, 2024, 04:31:53 PMQuote from: lurganblue on February 26, 2024, 01:48:26 PMThe Premier League dont seem to have a scooby doo on how to enforce these rules/sanctions.
It's independent.
6 points is still a fair wallop. Everton can have no complaints and I have little sympathy for them. They knew they were going to have a breech of FFP, told the PL that and then after the PL told them how to avoid it they continued to buy players. They took a short term view in order to keep their PL status. Essentially cheating. It has worked for them as they'll swallow this punishment, and most likely stay in the PL.
Everton were £20M over the FFP rules for the three year period in question and complied fully and honestly with the investigation and were still hit with the 10 points penalty.
A big part of that was how they were funding their stadium and whilst some of their transfer dealings were stupid and mad, they'd have been OK if the funding from our Russian Oligarch hadn't been rudely interrupted by Putin deciding to Annex part of Ukraine.
With even the reduction to 6 points, you gotta feel for Forest who are over £100M out of spec, so they'll get 5 times the punishment of Everton ;)
All the while no one is looking at Chelsea and City and heck even United are still carrying a huge debt on their books annually but that's OK as they're able to service that debt!
https://theathletic.com/5006933/2023/10/28/manchester-united-debt-borrowing/ (https://theathletic.com/5006933/2023/10/28/manchester-united-debt-borrowing/)
I get the need for financial controls within the premiership but stop going after the clubs on the margins of these rules when others are flagrantly well out of kilter.
I dont have a particular problem with United, as you say they are able to service the debt from commercial revenues so there should be no recourse there as to how to they fund. The fact the supporters have an problem with this is a seprate issue. If anything it adds an extra layer of scrutiny as the banks are carrying out their own due diligence, cashflow modelling and stress testing.
City/Chelsea is more complicated as they (especially City) derive an awful lot of revenue from related parties on what is viewed as non commercial terms so it is shareholder funding by another route that does not show up in the metrics. If the PL/UEFA are serious about leveling the playing field this is where they need to target but I suspect they do not want to be too aggressive as you could start to see a few issues coming out from the like of Madrid/PSG etc as well as the UK teams.
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 26, 2024, 05:39:23 PMQuote from: trailer on February 26, 2024, 04:31:53 PMQuote from: lurganblue on February 26, 2024, 01:48:26 PMThe Premier League dont seem to have a scooby doo on how to enforce these rules/sanctions.
It's independent.
6 points is still a fair wallop. Everton can have no complaints and I have little sympathy for them. They knew they were going to have a breech of FFP, told the PL that and then after the PL told them how to avoid it they continued to buy players. They took a short term view in order to keep their PL status. Essentially cheating. It has worked for them as they'll swallow this punishment, and most likely stay in the PL.
would be a good idea to read into it before typing nonsense.
An excellent rebuttal. That's told me.
Good chance for Arsenal to boost their goal difference. Sheff Utd are brutal and only matter of time before them and Burnley relegated.
Arsenal lead 3-0 after 14 minutes. It could be 8 or 9 at the end.
LOL
The likes of Kieran McKenna and Ipswich had better be careful what they wish for.
Joining the Premier League is a massive step up.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 04, 2024, 09:07:37 PMThe likes of Kieran McKenna and Ipswich had better be careful what they wish for.
Joining the Premier League is a massive step up.
Can't be fun for Sheff Utd fans watching that week in week out. Despite what Sky say being in the Premier League isn't the be all and end all.
Quote from: square_ball on March 04, 2024, 09:51:36 PMQuote from: Aaron Boone on March 04, 2024, 09:07:37 PMThe likes of Kieran McKenna and Ipswich had better be careful what they wish for.
Joining the Premier League is a massive step up.
Can't be fun for Sheff Utd fans watching that week in week out. Despite what Sky say being in the Premier League isn't the be all and end all.
Should teams that win promotion not go up?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 04, 2024, 09:57:32 PMQuote from: square_ball on March 04, 2024, 09:51:36 PMQuote from: Aaron Boone on March 04, 2024, 09:07:37 PMThe likes of Kieran McKenna and Ipswich had better be careful what they wish for.
Joining the Premier League is a massive step up.
Can't be fun for Sheff Utd fans watching that week in week out. Despite what Sky say being in the Premier League isn't the be all and end all.
Should teams that win promotion not go up?
Where did I say that?
Quote from: square_ball on March 04, 2024, 10:29:04 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 04, 2024, 09:57:32 PMQuote from: square_ball on March 04, 2024, 09:51:36 PMQuote from: Aaron Boone on March 04, 2024, 09:07:37 PMThe likes of Kieran McKenna and Ipswich had better be careful what they wish for.
Joining the Premier League is a massive step up.
Can't be fun for Sheff Utd fans watching that week in week out. Despite what Sky say being in the Premier League isn't the be all and end all.
Should teams that win promotion not go up?
Where did I say that?
You said it's not the be and end all
Sheff Utd fans are living the dream
For a club like them to be hosting teams like City Arsenal Liverpool it's why they wanted promotion
Stuffings will come for sure but not that long ago they were fight for relegation in the championship
Living the dream 4-0 down after 25 minutes - really? Yeah I think you're right that's an evening they'll tell the grandkids they were there. And probably tell them about the last home game - a 5-0 defeat by Brighton. Or maybe the home game before that - a 5-0 defeat by Villa.
As you say living the dream. . .
Quote from: square_ball on March 04, 2024, 10:39:22 PMLiving the dream 4-0 down after 25 minutes - really? Yeah I think you're right that's an evening they'll tell the grandkids they were there. And probably tell them about the last home game - a 5-0 defeat by Brighton. Or maybe the home game before that - a 5-0 defeat by Villa.
As you say living the dream. . .
Playing in the premiership is everything
They'll go down but will get the parachute money and keep their players and build..
Same points as Burnley, I suppose they are not enjoying life in in the premiership too this year
Quote from: square_ball on March 04, 2024, 10:39:22 PMLiving the dream 4-0 down after 25 minutes - really? Yeah I think you're right that's an evening they'll tell the grandkids they were there. And probably tell them about the last home game - a 5-0 defeat by Brighton. Or maybe the home game before that - a 5-0 defeat by Villa.
As you say living the dream. . .
Weird take on it. Whats the point in trying to get promoted at all then?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 04, 2024, 11:34:26 PMQuote from: square_ball on March 04, 2024, 10:39:22 PMLiving the dream 4-0 down after 25 minutes - really? Yeah I think you're right that's an evening they'll tell the grandkids they were there. And probably tell them about the last home game - a 5-0 defeat by Brighton. Or maybe the home game before that - a 5-0 defeat by Villa.
As you say living the dream. . .
Weird take on it. Whats the point in trying to get promoted at all then?
I'm not saying there's no point I'm just saying being in the Premier League isn' t the be all and end all that Sky like to protray for football fans. Its not that controversial a take to be honest.
Similar sentiment shared here.
https://x.com/footballramble/status/1759922096954605954?s=46
For those players though - most of whom will have no kind of hometown relationship with their club - it'll fairly elevate their wages for whatever period of time they're in it and if they negotiate their contracts right (e.g. no pay decrease on relegation) it's very lucrative for them.
For the fans I would say it'd be great for a while but then you'd soon get sick of getting tanked regularly.
Burnley and Sheffield United the two worst in it in a while. Kompany looked this great up and coming manager with how they did in the championship but he has really blotted his copy book now.
Collymore was on saying the mistake these two are making is trying to play football similar to Pep etc and simply don't have the players, be better off becoming a dogged hard to beat team, few dogs of war in the middle, pace up front etc. Don't follow the two closely but found it interesting. They deffo haven't been good.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 05, 2024, 11:13:31 AMCollymore was on saying the mistake these two are making is trying to play football similar to Pep etc and simply don't have the players, be better off becoming a dogged hard to beat team, few dogs of war in the middle, pace up front etc. Don't follow the two closely but found it interesting. They deffo haven't been good.
Yeah think thats the only hope, get a year or 2 under the belt and maybe try to bit by bit improve the style of play but results are always priority.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 05, 2024, 10:05:57 AMFor those players though - most of whom will have no kind of hometown relationship with their club - it'll fairly elevate their wages for whatever period of time they're in it and if they negotiate their contracts right (e.g. no pay decrease on relegation) it's very lucrative for them.
For the fans I would say it'd be great for a while but then you'd soon get sick of getting tanked regularly.
Burnley and Sheffield United the two worst in it in a while. Kompany looked this great up and coming manager with how they did in the championship but he has really blotted his copy book now.
They are an absolute disgrace and I am beyond belief how some of these players made it as pro.
Look at the first few goals last night. Ball watching, not tracking runs, hands by side shrugging shoulders. f**king U12 stuff. Pathetic. SU fans have every right to be pissed. Running, tracking runs, getting close to people takes zero talent, it is just hard work. Their Keeper also had a shocker. Whole team has given up.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 05, 2024, 11:13:31 AMCollymore was on saying the mistake these two are making is trying to play football similar to Pep etc and simply don't have the players, be better off becoming a dogged hard to beat team, few dogs of war in the middle, pace up front etc. Don't follow the two closely but found it interesting. They deffo haven't been good.
I thought the sheffield united boy would have changed that though. Kompany almost seems a bit deluded trying to play that football and stay safe.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 05, 2024, 12:06:49 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 05, 2024, 11:13:31 AMCollymore was on saying the mistake these two are making is trying to play football similar to Pep etc and simply don't have the players, be better off becoming a dogged hard to beat team, few dogs of war in the middle, pace up front etc. Don't follow the two closely but found it interesting. They deffo haven't been good.
I thought the sheffield united boy would have changed that though. Kompany almost seems a bit deluded trying to play that football and stay safe.
Sames re - Wilder. More worried about assistant refs eating a sandwich and not giving him enough respect it would appear lol
Wasn't it Norwich a few years back basically had as their economic model that they were going to bounce back and forth between the top two flights? Maybe there's some such thinking going on here too.
A year ago today since Liverpool beat Man United 7-0. Time goes quick.
Liverpool have improved since and Man United haven't got any better.
Quote from: jcpen on March 05, 2024, 02:17:39 PMA year ago today since Liverpool beat Man United 7-0. Time goes quick.
Liverpool have improved since and Man United haven't got any better.
Yet the last time they played it was a draw, go figure!
Quote from: jcpen on March 05, 2024, 02:17:39 PMA year ago today since Liverpool beat Man United 7-0. Time goes quick.
Liverpool have improved since and Man United haven't got any better.
United were flying up to then as well- think they'd just won the league cup and beat Barca in Europa as well. Havent recovered from that 7 nil since.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 05, 2024, 03:47:05 PMQuote from: jcpen on March 05, 2024, 02:17:39 PMA year ago today since Liverpool beat Man United 7-0. Time goes quick.
Liverpool have improved since and Man United haven't got any better.
Yet the last time they played it was a draw, go figure!
That's sport alright. Liverpool finished 5th and Man United 3rd after that match last year. I think Klopp and his players if they had the choice would gladly have swapped Champions league football for one individual result and would have a right good chance of winning the Champions league this season as the main challengers look to be the two main challengers in the Premier league also.
Hindsight is a great thing and all but being in the Europa this year I think has actually benefitted us. The likes of Quansah, Kelleher, Gomez, Gravenberch, Gakpo, Tsimikas, Elliott etc have all got a lot of gametime because of it and they have been ready to step up when needed
Agreed gawa. Plus there could well have been even more injuries playing in the tougher competition. I know it sounds silly to some but I'll stick with the 7 0 and Europa 😋🤓
Tottenham 4-0 winners away to Aston Vila if they win their match in hand they will go 4th in the table.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 05, 2024, 04:12:14 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 05, 2024, 03:47:05 PMQuote from: jcpen on March 05, 2024, 02:17:39 PMA year ago today since Liverpool beat Man United 7-0. Time goes quick.
Liverpool have improved since and Man United haven't got any better.
Yet the last time they played it was a draw, go figure!
That's sport alright. Liverpool finished 5th and Man United 3rd after that match last year. I think Klopp and his players if they had the choice would gladly have swapped Champions league football for one individual result and would have a right good chance of winning the Champions league this season as the main challengers look to be the two main challengers in the Premier league also.
Arsenal?
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 10, 2024, 04:28:31 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 05, 2024, 04:12:14 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 05, 2024, 03:47:05 PMQuote from: jcpen on March 05, 2024, 02:17:39 PMA year ago today since Liverpool beat Man United 7-0. Time goes quick.
Liverpool have improved since and Man United haven't got any better.
Yet the last time they played it was a draw, go figure!
That's sport alright. Liverpool finished 5th and Man United 3rd after that match last year. I think Klopp and his players if they had the choice would gladly have swapped Champions league football for one individual result and would have a right good chance of winning the Champions league this season as the main challengers look to be the two main challengers in the Premier league also.
Arsenal?
Not for me. Even if they overcome Porto I can see a few teams knocking them out
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 10, 2024, 07:56:09 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 10, 2024, 04:28:31 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 05, 2024, 04:12:14 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 05, 2024, 03:47:05 PMQuote from: jcpen on March 05, 2024, 02:17:39 PMA year ago today since Liverpool beat Man United 7-0. Time goes quick.
Liverpool have improved since and Man United haven't got any better.
Yet the last time they played it was a draw, go figure!
That's sport alright. Liverpool finished 5th and Man United 3rd after that match last year. I think Klopp and his players if they had the choice would gladly have swapped Champions league football for one individual result and would have a right good chance of winning the Champions league this season as the main challengers look to be the two main challengers in the Premier league also.
Arsenal?
Not for me. Even if they overcome Porto I can see a few teams knocking them out
Who are the 2 main challengers in the PL that are the main challengers for the CL?
Song is some player. Three assists and a goal. I dunno what mcginn was at for his red card. Haven't seen that crude a tackle in a long time.
Despite the stats, I thought Son wasn't all that hot today. I think he's much better wide than through the centre. But his workrate and desire is second to none.
I think Arsenal have a great chance in the CL. Nobody they should be afraid of, but need to be streetwise (which they probably aren't in a European context, but you can learn it )
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 10, 2024, 08:28:27 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 10, 2024, 07:56:09 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 10, 2024, 04:28:31 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 05, 2024, 04:12:14 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 05, 2024, 03:47:05 PMQuote from: jcpen on March 05, 2024, 02:17:39 PMA year ago today since Liverpool beat Man United 7-0. Time goes quick.
Liverpool have improved since and Man United haven't got any better.
Yet the last time they played it was a draw, go figure!
That's sport alright. Liverpool finished 5th and Man United 3rd after that match last year. I think Klopp and his players if they had the choice would gladly have swapped Champions league football for one individual result and would have a right good chance of winning the Champions league this season as the main challengers look to be the two main challengers in the Premier league also.
Arsenal?
Not for me. Even if they overcome Porto I can see a few teams knocking them out
Who are the 2 main challengers in the PL that are the main challengers for the CL?
Liverpool and Man City who expect to finish 1st and 2nd in the PL. I think main team that could have stopped Man City from retaining the CL could have been Liverpool but of course find themselves in the Europa League instead.
Yeah Villa really imploded yesterday, in what was probably their biggest game of the year. McGinn suspension will be another blow to an already depleted midfield.
Quote from: lurganblue on March 11, 2024, 11:01:06 AMYeah Villa really imploded yesterday, in what was probably their biggest game of the year. McGinn suspension will be another blow to an already depleted midfield.
Hes out for City game unless they appeal
That was like a tackle you'd see from a bully on the school playground. Dunno how he'd get off with that.
Quote from: TabClear on March 11, 2024, 11:57:05 AMQuote from: lurganblue on March 11, 2024, 11:01:06 AMYeah Villa really imploded yesterday, in what was probably their biggest game of the year. McGinn suspension will be another blow to an already depleted midfield.
Hes out for City game unless they appeal
No chance they'll appeal. Villa under Emery have an excellent record at bouncing back after defeats. Will need to do same next weekend. And against Ajax prior to that.
Quote from: lurganblue on March 11, 2024, 11:01:06 AMYeah Villa really imploded yesterday, in what was probably their biggest game of the year. McGinn suspension will be another blow to an already depleted midfield.
At 0-0 Watkins clean through tried to square it given his form this year should have taken shot on and could have been a totally different game.
Looking at the run in If City get past Arsenal they'll have a great chance, On paper Liverpool have the better games with no top 4 teams though Spurs could be in top 4 soon enough and they also play City.
Tottenham are lovely to watch on the counter attack
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 12:40:46 PMLooking at the run in If City get past Arsenal they'll have a great chance, On paper Liverpool have the better games with no top 4 teams though Spurs could be in top 4 soon enough and they also play City.
Liverpool have Tottenham at home a game they should win. Arsenal,Man City away to Tottenham It's possible that points will be dropped there.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 12:40:46 PMLooking at the run in If City get past Arsenal they'll have a great chance, On paper Liverpool have the better games with no top 4 teams though Spurs could be in top 4 soon enough and they also play City.
Liverpool still to play Spurs and Villa, in back to back games. It's highly likely they will play a team in the top 4.
Sky will be rubbing their hands after yesterdays result.
Real possibility at this point it could come down to goal difference.
Quote from: shark on March 11, 2024, 03:35:08 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 12:40:46 PMLooking at the run in If City get past Arsenal they'll have a great chance, On paper Liverpool have the better games with no top 4 teams though Spurs could be in top 4 soon enough and they also play City.
Liverpool still to play Spurs and Villa, in back to back games. It's highly likely they will play a team in the top 4.
Villa seem to be on the wane at the minute, fantastic season so far but that drubbing will have hurt
Arsenal not hugely impressive here. Pepe still a dirty animal.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 12, 2024, 09:34:03 PMArsenal not hugely impressive here. Pepe still a dirty animal.
Has been a real struggle for Arsenal against a Porto side that I think Man City would have beaten after the 1st leg. Credit to Pepe at his age to be still at it.
I can see this one going to penalties. Arsenal were fortunate enough to get the one goal tonight.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 12, 2024, 09:34:03 PMArsenal not hugely impressive here. Pepe still a dirty animal.
He is but he can still play.
The Pepe at the other end of the pitch is a decent player.
Arsenal been poor, not much support from those fans either ,very muted atmosphere.
Tonight's match Luton was 3-0 ahead 50 minutes played and ended up losing 4-3 against Bournemouth.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 13, 2024, 09:56:53 PMTonight's match Luton was 3-0 ahead 50 minutes played and ended up losing 4-3 against Bournemouth.
Yay.
Was looking like a good away win for West ham this afternoon when 3-1 ahead 77 minutes played yet Newcastle came back to win 4-3.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2024, 02:40:36 PMWas looking like a good away win for West ham this afternoon when 3-1 ahead 77 minutes played yet Newcastle came back to win 4-3.
They can thank VAR and the ref for a decent portion of that win. Gordon is a cheating rat and the ref was lapping up.
I was hoping for a bit more from this City v Arsenal game. Very dull at half time.
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 31, 2024, 05:18:06 PMI was hoping for a bit more from this City v Arsenal game. Very dull at half time.
Be safer watching the blue and red teams in Croker.
A draw it finished. Doesn't matter what Arsenal, Manchester City do as Liverpool win their remaining league games they will be league champions. Very much their title to lose.
It is a good result for Liverpool alright. The title is in our hands.
Great result. Being in front on the home front is a big part of winning a title race.
That's our Erling! Scores 5 against Luton. #beststrikerintheworld.
Not to fear though, City will go on a 15 game winning streak (tm) any. day. now.
Arsenal not see that as missed opportunity? looked like a patched up Man City defense and 2nd choice goal keeper.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2024, 07:09:18 PMArsenal not see that as missed opportunity? looked like a patched up Man City defense and 2nd choice goal keeper.
They seemed happy with the draw, running the clock down, time wasting etc.
Liverpool were gutted to only get a draw against them. I dont understand why Arsenal don't feel the same.
Paddy Power odds to win this seasons Premier League title
Liverpool 11/10
Man City 15/8
Arsenal 11/4
With those odds and Liverpools run in, it's Liverpools to lose :D
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 31, 2024, 06:24:57 PMA draw it finished. Doesn't matter what Arsenal, Manchester City do as Liverpool win their remaining league games they will be league champions. Very much their title to lose.
And if they don't win it,it will because of your genius mind games and how they rattled Klopp!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 07:57:20 PMWith those odds and Liverpools run in, it's Liverpools to lose :D
Looked at their fixtures and they still have Man United away, Everton away, Villa away and Spurs at home. None of them are easy games.
Long way to go in the title race yet.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 07:57:20 PMWith those odds and Liverpools run in, it's Liverpools to lose :D
Even jcpen knows that now at this stage. To quote Steven Gerrard 'we do not let this slip'
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 31, 2024, 08:07:23 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 07:57:20 PMWith those odds and Liverpools run in, it's Liverpools to lose :D
Even jcpen knows that now at this stage. To quote Steven Gerrard 'we do not let this slip'
It's hilarious that you have made the same post every week now just so if they don't win it you can say they bottled it.
I've never seen someone put in so much groundwork just so they can make one post at the end ;D
Quote from: jcpen on March 31, 2024, 08:05:19 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 07:57:20 PMWith those odds and Liverpools run in, it's Liverpools to lose :D
Looked at their fixtures and they still have Man United away, Everton away, Villa away and Spurs at home. None of them are easy games.
Long way to go in the title race yet.
Spurs? Lol
Utd would have let it 20 goals had they played today against Liverpool,
Everton are bottom, for a reason
Villa might give you a game
Spurs still going for Top 4, same with Villa those are two hard games for Liverpool.
Man United and Everton form goes out the window in those games and both will want to stop Liverpool winning the league more than anything and will up their game massively.
If Liverpool get 4 wins from those 4 games I'll be surprised.
Wasted 2 hours of my life watching 2 supposed top teams going at it. Tripe of the highest order.
Quote from: An Watcher on March 31, 2024, 08:35:00 PMWasted 2 hours of my life watching 2 supposed top teams going at it. Tripe of the highest order.
This is why Klopp leaving is terrible for the league in general. He always went out to win these games. If we lost, so be it.
Can't see how you'd class Spurs at Anfield as a difficult game. Must be one of the most lopsided fixtures in England.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 31, 2024, 10:41:18 PMCan't see how you'd class Spurs at Anfield as a difficult game. Must be one of the most lopsided fixtures in England.
Didn't a draw against Spurs at Anfield cost the scousers the title a few years ago?
Anyone who watched the arsenal city game today over the league final needs to give their heads a shake.
The best bit of yesterday for Liverpool fans was seeing Guardiola trying to humiliate Grealish. Pep has every right to manage as he sees fit but that was a show for the cameras, and was about power and control rather than instruction. Maybe there's some underlying resentment about his fee or his behaviour after winning the European Cup, but this was pathetic from the Spaniard. Grealish is a brilliant player and while I was disappointed he chose England, he had every right to, and he seems like a decent lad. For his self-respect he should leave- unless Pep beats him to it.
Quote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:51:15 AMThe best bit of yesterday for Liverpool fans was seeing Guardiola trying to humiliate Grealish. Pep has every right to manage as he sees fit but that was a show for the cameras, and was about power and control rather than instruction. Maybe there's some underlying resentment about his fee or his behaviour after winning the European Cup, but this was pathetic from the Spaniard. Grealish is a brilliant player and while I was disappointed he chose England, he had every right to, and he seems like a decent lad. For his self-respect he should leave- unless Pep beats him to it.
What happened
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:26:44 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:51:15 AMThe best bit of yesterday for Liverpool fans was seeing Guardiola trying to humiliate Grealish. Pep has every right to manage as he sees fit but that was a show for the cameras, and was about power and control rather than instruction. Maybe there's some underlying resentment about his fee or his behaviour after winning the European Cup, but this was pathetic from the Spaniard. Grealish is a brilliant player and while I was disappointed he chose England, he had every right to, and he seems like a decent lad. For his self-respect he should leave- unless Pep beats him to it.
What happened
Pep gives Grealish a going over (https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1774731647935521022)
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:26:44 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:51:15 AMThe best bit of yesterday for Liverpool fans was seeing Guardiola trying to humiliate Grealish. Pep has every right to manage as he sees fit but that was a show for the cameras, and was about power and control rather than instruction. Maybe there's some underlying resentment about his fee or his behaviour after winning the European Cup, but this was pathetic from the Spaniard. Grealish is a brilliant player and while I was disappointed he chose England, he had every right to, and he seems like a decent lad. For his self-respect he should leave- unless Pep beats him to it.
What happened
A manager explained to a player what wasn't done correctly.
The subsequent huff puff just sums up the overwrought overblown nonsense that is the PL.
In Grealish's next game, if he plays well, there'll be an angle that it was a professional response to the dressing down. If he doesn't play well the angle will centre on Pep losing control of his players, chinks and armour and shit like that.
Same again for the next game.
By a fortnight's time nobody will remember it. Then if city don't win the title, some gobshites in the media will "reinvestigate" the angle and bring it up continually through the quiet summer months. Grealish is leaving City one way or another this summer regardless of yesterday - he's done it all there and his personality seems to be someone who'd who'd be happier as a big fish in a small pond - so more pretend fuels for pretend fires.
All f**king nonsense, every last bit of it.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 01, 2024, 11:09:49 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:26:44 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:51:15 AMThe best bit of yesterday for Liverpool fans was seeing Guardiola trying to humiliate Grealish. Pep has every right to manage as he sees fit but that was a show for the cameras, and was about power and control rather than instruction. Maybe there's some underlying resentment about his fee or his behaviour after winning the European Cup, but this was pathetic from the Spaniard. Grealish is a brilliant player and while I was disappointed he chose England, he had every right to, and he seems like a decent lad. For his self-respect he should leave- unless Pep beats him to it.
What happened
A manager explained to a player what wasn't done correctly.
The subsequent huff puff just sums up the overwrought overblown nonsense that is the PL.
In Grealish's next game, if he plays well, there'll be an angle that it was a professional response to the dressing down. If he doesn't play well the angle will centre on Pep losing control of his players, chinks and armour and shit like that.
Same again for the next game.
By a fortnight's time nobody will remember it. Then if city don't win the title, some gobshites in the media will "reinvestigate" the angle and bring it up continually through the quiet summer months. Grealish is leaving City one way or another this summer regardless of yesterday - he's done it all there and his personality seems to be someone who'd who'd be happier as a big fish in a small pond - so more pretend fuels for pretend fires.
All f**king nonsense, every last bit of it.
Exactly
Quote from: thewobbler on April 01, 2024, 11:09:49 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:26:44 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:51:15 AMThe best bit of yesterday for Liverpool fans was seeing Guardiola trying to humiliate Grealish. Pep has every right to manage as he sees fit but that was a show for the cameras, and was about power and control rather than instruction. Maybe there's some underlying resentment about his fee or his behaviour after winning the European Cup, but this was pathetic from the Spaniard. Grealish is a brilliant player and while I was disappointed he chose England, he had every right to, and he seems like a decent lad. For his self-respect he should leave- unless Pep beats him to it.
What happened
A manager explained to a player what wasn't done correctly.
The subsequent huff puff just sums up the overwrought overblown nonsense that is the PL.
In Grealish's next game, if he plays well, there'll be an angle that it was a professional response to the dressing down. If he doesn't play well the angle will centre on Pep losing control of his players, chinks and armour and shit like that.
Same again for the next game.
By a fortnight's time nobody will remember it. Then if city don't win the title, some gobshites in the media will "reinvestigate" the angle and bring it up continually through the quiet summer months. Grealish is leaving City one way or another this summer regardless of yesterday - he's done it all there and his personality seems to be someone who'd who'd be happier as a big fish in a small pond - so more pretend fuels for pretend fires.
All f**king nonsense, every last bit of it.
Ehhh no. He shouted and berated him in full view of the camera after the game. I actually felt sorry for Grealish. There was no need for it. Leave it for the changing rooms.
Pep wanted to turn it into the Pep show. See he also interrupted a friendly post match conversation between Haaland and Gabriel to roar in Gabriels face, pushing his own player out of the way in the process! Would maybe serve him better to assess why his number 9 keeps vanishing in big games and does nothing when the team are getting it tight, rather than blame the defender who just roasted him.
He's a tool.
Rice had the right idea, just laugh at him.
The one outstanding attribute of Guardiola's managerial career is not his tactics, nor his scouting. They help.
But the real gift he has - and one that is so, so rare - is an almost unnatural ability to get pampered millionaire footballers to completely buy into a relentless, ego-free style of football. Whether players start, come off the bench, or come in from the cold, they are always bought into playing a high press and non stop running.
All evidence in his managerial career to date would suggest that his little display of emotion won't affect City at all. There is no angle.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 01, 2024, 12:02:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 01, 2024, 11:09:49 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:26:44 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:51:15 AMThe best bit of yesterday for Liverpool fans was seeing Guardiola trying to humiliate Grealish. Pep has every right to manage as he sees fit but that was a show for the cameras, and was about power and control rather than instruction. Maybe there's some underlying resentment about his fee or his behaviour after winning the European Cup, but this was pathetic from the Spaniard. Grealish is a brilliant player and while I was disappointed he chose England, he had every right to, and he seems like a decent lad. For his self-respect he should leave- unless Pep beats him to it.
What happened
A manager explained to a player what wasn't done correctly.
The subsequent huff puff just sums up the overwrought overblown nonsense that is the PL.
In Grealish's next game, if he plays well, there'll be an angle that it was a professional response to the dressing down. If he doesn't play well the angle will centre on Pep losing control of his players, chinks and armour and shit like that.
Same again for the next game.
By a fortnight's time nobody will remember it. Then if city don't win the title, some gobshites in the media will "reinvestigate" the angle and bring it up continually through the quiet summer months. Grealish is leaving City one way or another this summer regardless of yesterday - he's done it all there and his personality seems to be someone who'd who'd be happier as a big fish in a small pond - so more pretend fuels for pretend fires.
All f**king nonsense, every last bit of it.
Ehhh no. He shouted and berated him in full view of the camera after the game. I actually felt sorry for Grealish. There was no need for it. Leave it for the changing rooms.
Pep wanted to turn it into the Pep show. See he also interrupted a friendly post match conversation between Haaland and Gabriel to roar in Gabriels face, pushing his own player out of the way in the process! Would maybe serve him better to assess why his number 9 keeps vanishing in big games and does nothing when the team are getting it tight, rather than blame the defender who just roasted him.
He's a tool.
Rice had the right idea, just laugh at him.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 01, 2024, 12:02:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 01, 2024, 11:09:49 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:26:44 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:51:15 AMThe best bit of yesterday for Liverpool fans was seeing Guardiola trying to humiliate Grealish. Pep has every right to manage as he sees fit but that was a show for the cameras, and was about power and control rather than instruction. Maybe there's some underlying resentment about his fee or his behaviour after winning the European Cup, but this was pathetic from the Spaniard. Grealish is a brilliant player and while I was disappointed he chose England, he had every right to, and he seems like a decent lad. For his self-respect he should leave- unless Pep beats him to it.
What happened
A manager explained to a player what wasn't done correctly.
The subsequent huff puff just sums up the overwrought overblown nonsense that is the PL.
In Grealish's next game, if he plays well, there'll be an angle that it was a professional response to the dressing down. If he doesn't play well the angle will centre on Pep losing control of his players, chinks and armour and shit like that.
Same again for the next game.
By a fortnight's time nobody will remember it. Then if city don't win the title, some gobshites in the media will "reinvestigate" the angle and bring it up continually through the quiet summer months. Grealish is leaving City one way or another this summer regardless of yesterday - he's done it all there and his personality seems to be someone who'd who'd be happier as a big fish in a small pond - so more pretend fuels for pretend fires.
All f**king nonsense, every last bit of it.
Ehhh no. He shouted and berated him in full view of the camera after the game. I actually felt sorry for Grealish. There was no need for it. Leave it for the changing rooms.
Pep wanted to turn it into the Pep show. See he also interrupted a friendly post match conversation between Haaland and Gabriel to roar in Gabriels face, pushing his own player out of the way in the process! Would maybe serve him better to assess why his number 9 keeps vanishing in big games and does nothing when the team are getting it tight, rather than blame the defender who just roasted him.
He's a tool.
Rice had the right idea, just laugh at him.
Agreed. Great coach. Also a knob
League could be wrapped up over this mid week set of games...
Roy is fancying Liverpool, and that good enough for me ;)
Quote from: thewobbler on April 01, 2024, 11:09:49 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:26:44 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:51:15 AMThe best bit of yesterday for Liverpool fans was seeing Guardiola trying to humiliate Grealish. Pep has every right to manage as he sees fit but that was a show for the cameras, and was about power and control rather than instruction. Maybe there's some underlying resentment about his fee or his behaviour after winning the European Cup, but this was pathetic from the Spaniard. Grealish is a brilliant player and while I was disappointed he chose England, he had every right to, and he seems like a decent lad. For his self-respect he should leave- unless Pep beats him to it.
What happened
A manager explained to a player what wasn't done correctly.
The subsequent huff puff just sums up the overwrought overblown nonsense that is the PL.
In Grealish's next game, if he plays well, there'll be an angle that it was a professional response to the dressing down. If he doesn't play well the angle will centre on Pep losing control of his players, chinks and armour and shit like that.
Same again for the next game.
By a fortnight's time nobody will remember it. Then if city don't win the title, some gobshites in the media will "reinvestigate" the angle and bring it up continually through the quiet summer months. Grealish is leaving City one way or another this summer regardless of yesterday - he's done it all there and his personality seems to be someone who'd who'd be happier as a big fish in a small pond - so more pretend fuels for pretend fires.
All f**king nonsense, every last bit of it.
I agree with that, Sky love to create these little sub plots that all form part of the bigger soap opera. Anything to help create talking points and controversy. But it's all complete nonsense and over hyped.
Very soft penalty that.
Makes the run in interesting though for the neutral ;D
Jones, gets ball first, red card.
Doku, gets ball 2nd, fly kick to the chest, no pen.
Lampty, gets ball 1st, pen.
Hard to keep up with the rules these days
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 06, 2024, 06:07:59 PMMakes the run in interesting though for the neutral ;D
Liverpool would need to slip up in a few games in the run in to make it interesting for the neutrals.
May 19th is looking like the 1st time Liverpool supporters will get to see their team pick up a league trophy in front of packed Anfield since 1990.
Two good wins for City and Arsenal today.
Arsenal extending their goal difference also which could be the difference at the end of the season.
Didn't think it was a penalty but they deserved the 3 points overall.
Massive pressure on Liverpool now tomorrow against a Man United side who will be fired up to stop them, anything but a win for Liverpool will see Arsenal stay top.
Arsenal do have the toughest fixture list left imo, Liverpools is awkward also, Man City have an easy enough run in though and smart money would still be on them to win the title.
I think Arsenal will probably win all their games.
Quote from: J70 on April 06, 2024, 07:48:32 PMI think Arsenal will probably win all their games.
Away to spurs is defo no gimme but they have been very impressive since the turn of the year. Not conceding goals either unlike Liverpool and City.
Hopefully they get past Bayern and then meet City in the semis. Be interesting how they cope with having to play their best 11 Wednesday/Saturday for a few weeks
Aston Villa draw so if Tottenham win tomorrow they go 4th
Quote from: gawa316 on April 06, 2024, 08:54:57 PMQuote from: J70 on April 06, 2024, 07:48:32 PMI think Arsenal will probably win all their games.
Away to spurs is defo no gimme but they have been very impressive since the turn of the year. Not conceding goals either unlike Liverpool and City.
Hopefully they get past Bayern and then meet City in the semis. Be interesting how they cope with having to play their best 11 Wednesday/Saturday for a few weeks
Spurs could have a big say in the title race, Liverpool, City and Arsenal all still have to play them. It's probably City's only game left that they could possibly drop points.
Prowse scored directly from a corner. Haven't seen that in a long time.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 06, 2024, 10:21:31 PMProwse scored directly from a corner. Haven't seen that in a long time.
Douglas Luiz did it twice last season.
Villa really struggling on the run in. Should have been cruising at 2 nil.
I did not realise that cheers. The race for 4th is interesting but spurs play a few big games. Can't see united hanging getting near there.
Think the man utd match is massive for Liverpool. If they win that I honestly can't see them dropping many points in the remaining games, spurs at home and villa away being the toughest, think Liverpool are still the favourites but utd is massive game now, a win and Liverpool will be hard to stop.
Liverpool will stuff Utd today, anything else is a bottle job ;D
A good chance for Liverpool to boost the goal difference. None of starting Man Utd XI would make Liverpool side.
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 07, 2024, 12:23:12 AMThink the man utd match is massive for Liverpool. If they win that I honestly can't see them dropping many points in the remaining games, spurs at home and villa away being the toughest, think Liverpool are still the favourites but utd is massive game now, a win and Liverpool will be hard to stop.
You never know what will happen, especially with Dyche's Everton away also, but yeah, this is the crux game for me.
Arsenal and City will probably win out, so Liverpool have to do the same.
Sloppy start from Liverpool. Giving the ball away a lot in midfield.
Cup game all over again. Liverpool are going to regret not making this dominance count.
19 shots to 0. Incredible dominance.
Still only a goal in it though.
Once Fernandes figures out that tricky bit about passing the ball to a guy in the same color shirt, he'll be a pretty decent player.
Quote from: J70 on April 07, 2024, 04:13:41 PMCup game all over again. Liverpool are going to regret not making this dominance count.
Cup game was fairly even on chances created. This is one sided today and looks like a matter of time before Liverpool score a second goal.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 07, 2024, 04:18:49 PM19 shots to 0. Incredible dominance.
Still only a goal in it though.
I think we all know what is going to happen if Liverpool don't get a second goal.
Sam allerdyce sitting beside Jim ratcliffe
Outlining his vision for the club next season?
Is that this seasons Stevie G slip moment for Liverpool
Quote from: jcpen on April 07, 2024, 04:39:36 PMIs that this seasons Stevie G slip moment for Liverpool
Unbelievable.
FA Cup all over again.
Cruising, not taking chances, defensive idiocy.
Screamer!!!
Predictable. Was too easy for Liverpool.
As said during the week after Sheff United they were going to pay for missing so many chances in a game soon. Looks like today is that day.
Seems to be a feature of this Liverpool team, not a bug. Should have beaten City and Arsenal at Anfield, United in the cup, and now this. Not clinical enough.
2 all
Thank you wan Bissaka. Stupid tackle!
There we go, Arsenal or City's to lose now
Quote from: Brendan on April 07, 2024, 05:26:41 PMThere we go, Arsenal or City's to lose now
Technically it's Arsenals to lose.
Looking forward to Captain Obvious confirming as much soon.
"This does not f**king slip" vibes
Quote from: Nanderson on April 07, 2024, 05:28:24 PM"This does not f**king slip" vibes
Why who said this does not slip?
Quote from: jcpen on April 07, 2024, 05:27:40 PMQuote from: Brendan on April 07, 2024, 05:26:41 PMThere we go, Arsenal or City's to lose now
Technically it's Arsenals to lose.
Looking forward to Captain Obvious confirming as much soon.
Arsenal won't let United off the hook like Liverpool did.
Quote from: Nanderson on April 07, 2024, 05:28:24 PM"This does not f**king slip" vibes
If they lost maybe but there is still a lot of football to be played yet.
Liverpool should probably have been out of sight at half time but they weren't, it was always going to happen then that they would concede.
Probably be happy to get out of there with a point in the end.
Unexpected slip up by Liverpool today. Klopp his players and their supporters will be left to wonder how and why they failed to beat Manchester United twice this season and for good measure got knocked out of the FA Cup by them also.
Arsenal,Manchester City won't win their remaining games so the good news for Liverpool is win their remaining seven league games and they should be champions.
More points dropped by Man U. Liverpool were there for the taking. That's 7 points dropped by them in the last 3 games.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 07, 2024, 05:44:02 PMMore points dropped by Man U. Liverpool were there for the taking. That's 7 points dropped by them in the last 3 games.
Tbf Liverpool were actually there for the taking for about 10 mins after Man United went 2 up.
Arsenal's to lose but with the fixtures City have left Arsenal will have to win every game because I can't see City dropping many if any points.
Far from Arsenals too lose Jesus.. Still to play United, Chelsea, Spurs and Villa. Titles in City's hands if they want it
Liverpool choked today.
City and Arsenal choked last week.
All 3 will likely choke again before the end.
Also, see "bottled it"
Liverpool very lucky there I didn't think there was much in that penalty!
There will be a few more twists and turns before the end.
That's probably Utd's League interest finished bar their home game to Arsenal in the penultimate game of the season.
The Cup is still viable, they will have enough for Coventry and the final is a one off game where anything can happen.
Liverpool should have been at least 4 up at half time..
Utd scored too early
Gift of penalty given considering Harvey booted the defender ;D
Quote from: screenexile on April 07, 2024, 06:02:03 PMLiverpool very lucky there I didn't think there was much in that penalty!
There will be a few more twists and turns before the end.
It was more of penalty than the two Chelsea got the other night against United.
Nailed on penalty.
Another two points off for Everton, this time for last season.
Quote from: J70 on April 08, 2024, 02:04:15 PMAnother two points off for Everton, this time for last season.
Should have took them off them last season.
Still won't be relegated.
But they won't deduct any from Man City.
Nor will they until they're found guilty of something.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 08, 2024, 02:07:20 PMQuote from: J70 on April 08, 2024, 02:04:15 PMAnother two points off for Everton, this time for last season.
Should have took them off them last season.
The timing of the penalties in relation to the offenses is a weird one for me, but I'm assuming it's all in the league rules.
Quote from: J70 on April 08, 2024, 02:38:22 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 08, 2024, 02:07:20 PMQuote from: J70 on April 08, 2024, 02:04:15 PMAnother two points off for Everton, this time for last season.
Should have took them off them last season.
The timing of the penalties in relation to the offenses is a weird one for me, but I'm assuming it's all in the league rules.
What rules?
They are making it up as they go along!
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 08, 2024, 07:04:47 PMQuote from: J70 on April 08, 2024, 02:38:22 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 08, 2024, 02:07:20 PMQuote from: J70 on April 08, 2024, 02:04:15 PMAnother two points off for Everton, this time for last season.
Should have took them off them last season.
The timing of the penalties in relation to the offenses is a weird one for me, but I'm assuming it's all in the league rules.
What rules?
They are making it up as they go along!
Even better, they can't even charge City with one of the hundred odd charges as they're all linked!
Didn't stop them going at Everton twice and maybe again next year.
Liverpool will still win this.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 14, 2024, 03:39:06 PMLiverpool will still win this.
I wouldn't be putting much money on a bet that they will.
Quote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 03:43:31 PMQuote from: Gael85 on April 14, 2024, 03:39:06 PMLiverpool will still win this.
I wouldn't be putting much money on a bet that they will.
They some team for getting goals in injury time. Palace are gassed.
That's that for Liverpool I reckon, even though they missed some great chances today they looked a really tired team. I think Man City will canter home to another title now.
Season not over yet, some twists and turns left yet..
Villa are a good team, that result could work against Arsenal
Quote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 03:59:33 PMThat's that for Liverpool I reckon, even though they missed some great chances today they looked a really tired team. I think Man City will canter home to another title now.
I think Arsenal can do it. They've looked really impressive past two months.
Quote from: J70 on April 14, 2024, 04:07:31 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 03:59:33 PMThat's that for Liverpool I reckon, even though they missed some great chances today they looked a really tired team. I think Man City will canter home to another title now.
I think Arsenal can do it. They've looked really impressive past two months.
They have been but their run in is harder than Citys. I'm sure everyone will want Arsenal to win it though as no one could want City to win it apart from their own fans?
Quote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 04:15:58 PMQuote from: J70 on April 14, 2024, 04:07:31 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 03:59:33 PMThat's that for Liverpool I reckon, even though they missed some great chances today they looked a really tired team. I think Man City will canter home to another title now.
I think Arsenal can do it. They've looked really impressive past two months.
They have been but their run in is harder than Citys. I'm sure everyone will want Arsenal to win it though as no one could want City to win it apart from their own fans?
The neutrals just want an exciting finish though?
Bad and unexpected three points dropped for Liverpool. Whoever does win this Premier league title I still think mid 80 points will probably be enough.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 04:19:23 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 04:15:58 PMQuote from: J70 on April 14, 2024, 04:07:31 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 03:59:33 PMThat's that for Liverpool I reckon, even though they missed some great chances today they looked a really tired team. I think Man City will canter home to another title now.
I think Arsenal can do it. They've looked really impressive past two months.
They have been but their run in is harder than Citys. I'm sure everyone will want Arsenal to win it though as no one could want City to win it apart from their own fans?
The neutrals just want an exciting finish though?
And more exciting for the neutrals now after Liverpool slipped up the last two weekends.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 04:19:23 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 04:15:58 PMQuote from: J70 on April 14, 2024, 04:07:31 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 03:59:33 PMThat's that for Liverpool I reckon, even though they missed some great chances today they looked a really tired team. I think Man City will canter home to another title now.
I think Arsenal can do it. They've looked really impressive past two months.
They have been but their run in is harder than Citys. I'm sure everyone will want Arsenal to win it though as no one could want City to win it apart from their own fans?
The neutrals just want an exciting finish though?
True but can't see anything only City winning it now, hope I'm wrong but doubt it.
If Arsenal lose points today then it's City's to loose ;)
Well that's the league over - City's again
Was not expecting that.
It's great for the neutrals
Zinchenko might be the worst left back Arsenal have had - give me Andre Santos any day.
Over at right back for the first goal leaving left back open for Bailey to tap in. Brutal
Yeah may as well just hand it over to them now, they aren't dropping any points in the remaining games they have and even if they do Liverpool or Arsenal aren't winning all theirs.
Another title win for the oil nation club.
What was shaping up for one of the most exciting title races in recent memory will now just be the same old same old.
So much for pinning our hopes on Arsenal!
Manure fans will just be happy it's not Liverpool, blinded by an irrational hatred. the Dublin of the premier league going to walk to another title, farmers league as they say
Quote from: Brendan on April 14, 2024, 06:21:36 PMManure fans will just be happy it's not Liverpool, blinded by an irrational hatred. the Dublin of the premier league going to walk to another title, farmers league as they say
The melt down starts ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 05:53:45 PMIf Arsenal lose points today then it's City's to loose ;)
How did you mange to spell lose correctly first then spell it wrong in the same sentence?
It's f**king depressing. Year after year Petrostate FC sweeping up all around them.
Quote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 06:28:31 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 05:53:45 PMIf Arsenal lose points today then it's City's to loose ;)
How did you mange to spell lose correctly first then spell it wrong in the same sentence?
As I said earlier the melt down continues... even for the neutrals ;D
Credit to Aston Villa a solid season for them and will fully deserve 4th place should they get it. A real shrewd appointment bringing in Emery and if he was given the same time with Arsenal as Arteta has got they could well have won a league title by now.
Quote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 06:30:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 06:29:42 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 06:28:31 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 05:53:45 PMIf Arsenal lose points today then it's City's to loose ;)
How did you mange to spell lose correctly first then spell it wrong in the same sentence?
As I said earlier the melt down continues... even for the neutrals ;D
You have issues.
Says the poster with three accounts
Quote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 06:32:34 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 06:31:30 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 06:30:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 06:29:42 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 06:28:31 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 05:53:45 PMIf Arsenal lose points today then it's City's to loose ;)
How did you mange to spell lose correctly first then spell it wrong in the same sentence?
As I said earlier the melt down continues... even for the neutrals ;D
You have issues.
Says the poster with three accounts
In your head I do I suppose, but your head is so mixed up I'm ok with you thinking that.
Dead on, head you out for a run and calm yourself
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 14, 2024, 06:31:13 PMCredit to Aston Villa a solid season for them and will fully deserve 4th place should they get it. A real shrewd appointment bringing in Emery and if he was given the same time with Arsenal as Arteta has got they could well have won a league title by now.
No chance.. Emerys good at that level, he's not going to win you a league. Football was brutal under him too
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 06:33:53 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 06:32:34 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 06:31:30 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 06:30:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 06:29:42 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 06:28:31 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 05:53:45 PMIf Arsenal lose points today then it's City's to loose ;)
How did you mange to spell lose correctly first then spell it wrong in the same sentence?
As I said earlier the melt down continues... even for the neutrals ;D
You have issues.
Says the poster with three accounts
In your head I do I suppose, but your head is so mixed up I'm ok with you thinking that.
Dead on, head you out for a run and calm yourself
;D
Quote from: J70 on April 14, 2024, 06:28:52 PMIt's f**king depressing. Year after year Petrostate FC sweeping up all around them.
Sure is. Hopefully someday soon it will all coming crashing down if any of these charges hold up but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Quote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 06:28:31 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 05:53:45 PMIf Arsenal lose points today then it's City's to loose ;)
How did you mange to spell lose correctly first then spell it wrong in the same sentence?
It's 'manage'
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 14, 2024, 06:46:16 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 06:28:31 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 05:53:45 PMIf Arsenal lose points today then it's City's to loose ;)
How did you mange to spell lose correctly first then spell it wrong in the same sentence?
It's 'manage'
Well spotted ;D ;D
Don't I feel foolish now 😔
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 14, 2024, 06:46:16 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 14, 2024, 06:28:31 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2024, 05:53:45 PMIf Arsenal lose points today then it's City's to loose ;)
How did you mange to spell lose correctly first then spell it wrong in the same sentence?
It's 'manage'
If I checked all the spelling on his 3 accounts I'm sure I'd be here all night
Didn't expect Arsenal to lose like that, be a cake walk for City now, probably win another treble this season which is even more depressing.
Might take Pep leaving to stop their dominance or something to come out of the charges against them, if nothing happens with the charges this is pretty much it for some time to come with them winning the majority of league titles for years to come.
Very good weekend for Man City
Current standings
1. Man City 73 points
2. Arsenal 71 points
3. Liverpool 71 points
Remaining fixtures
Arsenal
Wolves (A)
Chelsea (H)
Tottenham (A)
Bournemouth (H)
Man United (A)
Everton (H)
Liverpool
Fulham (A)
Everton (A)
West Ham (A)
Tottenham (H)
Aston Villa (A)
Wolves (H)
Man City
Brighton (A)
Notts Forest (A)
Wolves (H)
Fulham (A)
Tottenham (A)
West Ham (H)
Such an easy run in for Man City, will win the title by 5 or 6 points.
The real story here is that Aston Villa are on the verge of qualifying for Champions League football.
Some turn around for a club that were in the championship not that long ago and that almost headed back there under Steven Gerard.
Doesnt surprise me that Arsenal choked....seems to be expected of them in recent years.
Liverpool slide "post-Klopp" has started while he's still there.
Man City likely to win given the run in.
The bigger picture with Villa is that they played a weakened side v City 11 days ago, so they'd be fresh for Brentford on that weekend. Which sort of backfired in a 3-3 draw. Villa did no such thing against Arsenal today. And that's what you're up against. City have made team afraid of them, that you'll get noting - even if you try. Arsenal don't have that.
Liverpool won't be playing a weakened Villa side either.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 14, 2024, 08:02:42 PMThe bigger picture with Villa is that they played a weakened side v City 11 days ago, so they'd be fresh for Brentford on that weekend. Which sort of backfired in a 3-3 draw. Villa did no such thing against Arsenal today. And that's what you're up against. City have made team afraid of them, that you'll get noting - even if you try. Arsenal don't have that.
Liverpool won't be playing a weakened Villa side either.
I take your point but villa easily beat city in the reverse fixture earlier in the season. Emery took the foot off the gas for this meeting yes as the squad was struggling with injuries and Brentford and Lille to come.
Quote from: lurganblue on April 14, 2024, 08:39:22 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on April 14, 2024, 08:02:42 PMThe bigger picture with Villa is that they played a weakened side v City 11 days ago, so they'd be fresh for Brentford on that weekend. Which sort of backfired in a 3-3 draw. Villa did no such thing against Arsenal today. And that's what you're up against. City have made team afraid of them, that you'll get noting - even if you try. Arsenal don't have that.
Liverpool won't be playing a weakened Villa side either.
I take your point but villa easily beat city in the reverse fixture earlier in the season. Emery took the foot off the gas for this meeting yes as the squad was struggling with injuries and Brentford and Lille to come.
I'm sure Emery makes sure he's competitive when playing against Arsenal given how they booted him!
Quote from: screenexile on April 14, 2024, 09:47:27 PMQuote from: lurganblue on April 14, 2024, 08:39:22 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on April 14, 2024, 08:02:42 PMThe bigger picture with Villa is that they played a weakened side v City 11 days ago, so they'd be fresh for Brentford on that weekend. Which sort of backfired in a 3-3 draw. Villa did no such thing against Arsenal today. And that's what you're up against. City have made team afraid of them, that you'll get noting - even if you try. Arsenal don't have that.
Liverpool won't be playing a weakened Villa side either.
I take your point but villa easily beat city in the reverse fixture earlier in the season. Emery took the foot off the gas for this meeting yes as the squad was struggling with injuries and Brentford and Lille to come.
I'm sure Emery makes sure he's competitive when playing against Arsenal given how they booted him!
It doesn't really matter now anyway that City have got their noses in front.
Quote from: J70 on April 14, 2024, 06:28:52 PMIt's f**king depressing. Year after year Petrostate FC sweeping up all around them.
Teams with the most money buy the best players.
When has it ever been any different?
Not in my lifetime.
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 14, 2024, 06:17:09 PMZinchenko might be the worst left back Arsenal have had - give me Andre Santos any day.
Over at right back for the first goal leaving left back open for Bailey to tap in. Brutal
Spotted it in real time, Ben White pulls out of a tackle just before the first goal goes in and was rightly substituted just after that. Paul Merson also commented on it in the post match analysis.
You really can't afford to have lads in the team who're not prepared to throw everything at a game you need to win.
Poor performance from Arsenal with a trip to Munich yet to come.
Ben White was on a yellow, couldn't jump into tackle.
I have to say Peter Drury wore me down a little yesterday. Repeatedly roaring "And Bakayo Saka" or "And Leandro Trossard" with every half chance. Maybe I should have put this in the gear grinding thread. ;D
Quote from: lurganblue on April 15, 2024, 09:03:27 AMI have to say Peter Drury wore me down a little yesterday. Repeatedly roaring "And Bakayo Saka" or "And Leandro Trossard" with every half chance. Maybe I should have put this in the gear grinding thread. ;D
They're all so shouty nowadays. More noticeable on the highlights on ssn. Painful
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 15, 2024, 08:19:29 AMBen White was on a yellow, couldn't jump into tackle.
jumping into a tackle is one thing, but to actually pull out entirely is another thing.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 15, 2024, 08:11:35 AMQuote from: J70 on April 14, 2024, 06:28:52 PMIt's f**king depressing. Year after year Petrostate FC sweeping up all around them.
Teams with the most money buy the best players.
When has it ever been any different?
Not in my lifetime.
City have been spending above the budget cap and cooking the books to hide it. Their accounting and law department is bigger than the FA complete administrative organisation.
Would have been nice for another club to win PL but I'm hoping Liverpool can finish second for moral bragging rights if nothing else. On another subject I think Villa are doing a fantastic job this year and making the three above them look silly like Watkins is only one goal off PL top scorer.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 15, 2024, 09:17:16 AMQuote from: lurganblue on April 15, 2024, 09:03:27 AMI have to say Peter Drury wore me down a little yesterday. Repeatedly roaring "And Bakayo Saka" or "And Leandro Trossard" with every half chance. Maybe I should have put this in the gear grinding thread. ;D
They're all so shouty nowadays. More noticeable on the highlights on ssn. Painful
Brian Moore - "it's up for grabs now" Anfield 89 and Jimmy Smyth - Down Derry 94 the best 2 commentators in my opinion, a joy to listen to and sorely missed
And despite Villa's performances this season Emery never gets linked with the likes of Liverpool and other top teams. Ok, he didn't do great at Arsenal, but he's a very good manager.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 15, 2024, 09:17:16 AMQuote from: lurganblue on April 15, 2024, 09:03:27 AMI have to say Peter Drury wore me down a little yesterday. Repeatedly roaring "And Bakayo Saka" or "And Leandro Trossard" with every half chance. Maybe I should have put this in the gear grinding thread. ;D
They're all so shouty nowadays. More noticeable on the highlights on ssn. Painful
Fletcher very much like this.
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on April 15, 2024, 09:58:58 AMQuote from: johnnycool on April 15, 2024, 08:11:35 AMQuote from: J70 on April 14, 2024, 06:28:52 PMIt's f**king depressing. Year after year Petrostate FC sweeping up all around them.
Teams with the most money buy the best players.
When has it ever been any different?
Not in my lifetime.
City have been spending above the budget cap and cooking the books to hide it. Their accounting and law department is bigger than the FA complete administrative organisation.
Would have been nice for another club to win PL but I'm hoping Liverpool can finish second for moral bragging rights if nothing else. On another subject I think Villa are doing a fantastic job this year and making the three above them look silly like Watkins is only one goal off PL top scorer.
Watkins has went up a level this year. He should go to the euros but Southgate is reluctant to change his style to suit him when Kane is unavailable.
The likes of tielemans on a free has been great business. I don't think he's a guaranteed starter if the squad is fully fit but by God has he been useful for large parts of the season.
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on April 15, 2024, 09:58:58 AMQuote from: johnnycool on April 15, 2024, 08:11:35 AMQuote from: J70 on April 14, 2024, 06:28:52 PMIt's f**king depressing. Year after year Petrostate FC sweeping up all around them.
Teams with the most money buy the best players.
When has it ever been any different?
Not in my lifetime.
City have been spending above the budget cap and cooking the books to hide it. Their accounting and law department is bigger than the FA complete administrative organisation.
Would have been nice for another club to win PL but I'm hoping Liverpool can finish second for moral bragging rights if nothing else. On another subject I think Villa are doing a fantastic job this year and making the three above them look silly like Watkins is only one goal off PL top scorer.
The budget cap came in to stymy the likes of City, PSG and now Newcastle as the old guard looked to preserve their dominance, but there's always been rich clubs with more money than others.
If these lads were coming in like the Glazers and leveraging a huge debt on the club that they maybe couldn't service then that needs controlled, but new money not being leveraged onto the club should be fine.
As much as I think Everton have been harshly treated they were living beyond their means and the PL were right to say stop.
Forest allegedly say their new owner is able to pay off their overspends without blinking an eye, so maybe why not?
Like children on a schoolyard.
https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1779969884601876992
Embarrassing, that lad wouldn't play a minute the rest of the season
Quote from: tiempo on April 15, 2024, 10:12:53 AMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 15, 2024, 09:17:16 AMQuote from: lurganblue on April 15, 2024, 09:03:27 AMI have to say Peter Drury wore me down a little yesterday. Repeatedly roaring "And Bakayo Saka" or "And Leandro Trossard" with every half chance. Maybe I should have put this in the gear grinding thread. ;D
They're all so shouty nowadays. More noticeable on the highlights on ssn. Painful
Brian Moore - "it's up for grabs now" Anfield 89 and Jimmy Smyth - Down Derry 94 the best 2 commentators in my opinion, a joy to listen to and sorely missed
Moore, Davies Motson, be like listening to poetry compared to this current batch of shouters
Ps that's embarrassing from Chelsea, hammering the Ev and still managing to make fools of themsleves
Everton blessed that there is 3 teams worse than them yet again. They will avoid relegation.
And Sean Dyche lucky that Everton have no money to sack him. 1 win in 15 games is atrocious form.
Quote from: jcpen on April 16, 2024, 05:51:00 AMEverton blessed that there is 3 teams worse than them yet again. They will avoid relegation.
They need two more wins and with Forest up next at Goodison I'd suggest that needs to be one of them, but Forest are a better all round team so Everton may well be looking for the other three to keep fúcking up.
Quote from: square_ball on April 16, 2024, 08:09:09 AMAnd Sean Dyche lucky that Everton have no money to sack him. 1 win in 15 games is atrocious form.
The boardroom is in limbo, so theres no one capable of sacking him due to the new ownership saga which is another mess in itself...
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 15, 2024, 09:31:19 PMLike children on a schoolyard.
https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1779969884601876992
The whole Sterling fiasco makes this even worse after him getting the peno and missing.
Quote from: statto on April 16, 2024, 11:18:34 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 15, 2024, 09:31:19 PMLike children on a schoolyard.
https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1779969884601876992
The whole Sterling fiasco makes this even worse after him getting the peno and missing.
Dele Ali nailed it. If there was a minute left and they had to score it, they wouldn't have been fighting over the ball.
Speaking of Dele Ali, has there ever been a worse guest on Monday Night Football on Sky, Carragher trying his upmost to involve him asking him questions and setting him up with lines but still couldn't get anything out of him.
Personal highlight was when he was doing the analysis of the Arsenal game and he kept having to ask the score in the game ;D
I would be hoping he wasn't relying on a media career.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 16, 2024, 11:58:01 AMSpeaking of Dele Ali, has there ever been a worse guest on Monday Night Football on Sky, Carragher trying his upmost to involve him asking him questions and setting him up with lines but still couldn't get anything out of him.
Personal highlight was when he was doing the analysis of the Arsenal game and he kept having to ask the score in the game ;D
I would be hoping he wasn't relying on a media career.
I'd say its grand having a chat with your mates about football, completely different when there's a mic shoved in your face and knowing there would be millions watching lol!
In fairness I think for him he hasn't actually done any research on anything lol.. He'd no idea about certain games and seems as if he doesn't watch that many either.
Jamie is completely clued in and a veteran of doing this, the professionals make it look easy
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2024, 12:06:30 PMQuote from: NAG1 on April 16, 2024, 11:58:01 AMSpeaking of Dele Ali, has there ever been a worse guest on Monday Night Football on Sky, Carragher trying his upmost to involve him asking him questions and setting him up with lines but still couldn't get anything out of him.
Personal highlight was when he was doing the analysis of the Arsenal game and he kept having to ask the score in the game ;D
I would be hoping he wasn't relying on a media career.
I'd say its grand having a chat with your mates about football, completely different when there's a mic shoved in your face and knowing there would be millions watching lol!
In fairness I think for him he hasn't actually done any research on anything lol.. He'd no idea about certain games and seems as if he doesn't watch that many either.
Jamie is completely clued in and a veteran of doing this, the professionals make it look easy
I'd expect as bare minimum to know the score in the game ;D
Quote from: NAG1 on April 16, 2024, 12:30:42 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2024, 12:06:30 PMQuote from: NAG1 on April 16, 2024, 11:58:01 AMSpeaking of Dele Ali, has there ever been a worse guest on Monday Night Football on Sky, Carragher trying his upmost to involve him asking him questions and setting him up with lines but still couldn't get anything out of him.
Personal highlight was when he was doing the analysis of the Arsenal game and he kept having to ask the score in the game ;D
I would be hoping he wasn't relying on a media career.
I'd say its grand having a chat with your mates about football, completely different when there's a mic shoved in your face and knowing there would be millions watching lol!
In fairness I think for him he hasn't actually done any research on anything lol.. He'd no idea about certain games and seems as if he doesn't watch that many either.
Jamie is completely clued in and a veteran of doing this, the professionals make it look easy
I'd expect as bare minimum to know the score in the game ;D
That many goals going in I lost count
Am I getting ahead of myself here but if United get their arse in gear they could do some damage next year...
Liverpool are done. Klopp is a Fergie type whose personality papered over cracks. Salah will go to Saudi or USA. A lot of their team has serious miles in the legs.
City can only buy so many lads, and if KDB is getting injured more often. They also buy a lot of similar players bar Haaland.
If Arsenal buy a striker and don't run Saka into the ground they have a young central defence and midfield who will grow.
This season is there ANY hope that City could wobble. That was a fairly draining Champions League defeat...
Say it quietly around the Reds on here, but if Klopp goes this season without winning the title will his tenure be deemed as an underachievement?
After all they have been the best team in the world since he took over ;)
Granted they ran into a City team in their prime, but one Covid EPL title seems to be underwhelming.
Unpopular opinion I'm guessing.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2024, 11:01:36 AMSay it quietly around the Reds on here, but if Klopp goes this season without winning the title will his tenure be deemed as an underachievement?
After all they have been the best team in the world since he took over ;)
Granted they ran into a City team in their prime, but one Covid EPL title seems to be underwhelming.
Unpopular opinion I'm guessing.
I think you could measure a lot about how shallow and needy someone is by their response to this.
If half a dozen trophies, and another half a dozen near misses, in less than a decade, is not enough to keep you sated as a football fan, then I'd suggest: it's actually not competition that you want to see, it's meaningless processions.
Klopp was a huge success and took a very under achieving Liverpool to a title and many cups.
His style and way he handled the press was refreshing and the PL will missing a huge character and be worse for it.
God help whoever comes in and replaces him, they'll be on to a hiding to nothing if history is to repeat itself and thats not using Fergie's example, bar Bayern its replicated in most big clubs when a huge personality leaves, though the likes of Madrid get rid fairly quick of managers that don't bring immediate success.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 19, 2024, 11:41:47 AMKlopp was a huge success and took a very under achieving Liverpool to a title and many cups.
His style and way he handled the press was refreshing and the PL will missing a huge character and be worse for it.
God help whoever comes in and replaces him, they'll be on to a hiding to nothing if history is to repeat itself and thats not using Fergie's example, bar Bayern its replicated in most big clubs when a huge personality leaves, though the likes of Madrid get rid fairly quick of managers that don't bring immediate success.
Ah here, Liverpool aren't like any other club, they stick by their manager no matter what.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 19, 2024, 11:46:18 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 19, 2024, 11:41:47 AMKlopp was a huge success and took a very under achieving Liverpool to a title and many cups.
His style and way he handled the press was refreshing and the PL will missing a huge character and be worse for it.
God help whoever comes in and replaces him, they'll be on to a hiding to nothing if history is to repeat itself and thats not using Fergie's example, bar Bayern its replicated in most big clubs when a huge personality leaves, though the likes of Madrid get rid fairly quick of managers that don't bring immediate success.
Ah here, Liverpool aren't like any other club, they stick by their manager no matter what.
Didn't Liverpool have 4 managers between 2010-2015???
Quote from: 5times5times on April 19, 2024, 12:25:09 PMDidn't Liverpool have 4 managers between 2010-2015???
They had 3 Managers Roy Hodgson, Kenny Dalgish and Brendan Rodgers.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 19, 2024, 03:24:52 PMQuote from: 5times5times on April 19, 2024, 12:25:09 PMDidn't Liverpool have 4 managers between 2010-2015???
They had 3 Managers Roy Hodgson, Kenny Dalgish and Brendan Rodgers.
You forgot Rafa for part of 2010.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2024, 11:01:36 AMSay it quietly around the Reds on here, but if Klopp goes this season without winning the title will his tenure be deemed as an underachievement?
After all they have been the best team in the world since he took over ;)
Granted they ran into a City team in their prime, but one Covid EPL title seems to be underwhelming.
Unpopular opinion I'm guessing.
One of Liverpool's greatest managers, end of story.
Without him, City would be heading for seven in a row. No one else has even run Pep close, never mind taken him to the final day. Plus, three CL final appearances, one won.
Underwhelming me arse.
Quote from: J70 on April 19, 2024, 06:19:18 PMQuote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2024, 11:01:36 AMSay it quietly around the Reds on here, but if Klopp goes this season without winning the title will his tenure be deemed as an underachievement?
After all they have been the best team in the world since he took over ;)
Granted they ran into a City team in their prime, but one Covid EPL title seems to be underwhelming.
Unpopular opinion I'm guessing.
One of Liverpool's greatest managers, end of story.
Without him, City would be heading for seven in a row. No one else has even run Pep close, never mind taken him to the final day. Plus, three CL final appearances, one won.
Underwhelming me arse.
Leicester not win won during pep's time?
I honestly think he's one of Liverpool's best ever managers. he was just unfortunate with that city team and quite frankly when you look at the resource difference I think anyone competing with them is a massive thing.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 19, 2024, 06:23:39 PMQuote from: J70 on April 19, 2024, 06:19:18 PMQuote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2024, 11:01:36 AMSay it quietly around the Reds on here, but if Klopp goes this season without winning the title will his tenure be deemed as an underachievement?
After all they have been the best team in the world since he took over ;)
Granted they ran into a City team in their prime, but one Covid EPL title seems to be underwhelming.
Unpopular opinion I'm guessing.
One of Liverpool's greatest managers, end of story.
Without him, City would be heading for seven in a row. No one else has even run Pep close, never mind taken him to the final day. Plus, three CL final appearances, one won.
Underwhelming me arse.
Leicester not win won during pep's time?
Pep joined City year after.. Conte (Pep's 1st Season) and Klopp only managers to beat City to the title
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 19, 2024, 06:38:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 19, 2024, 06:23:39 PMQuote from: J70 on April 19, 2024, 06:19:18 PMQuote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2024, 11:01:36 AMSay it quietly around the Reds on here, but if Klopp goes this season without winning the title will his tenure be deemed as an underachievement?
After all they have been the best team in the world since he took over ;)
Granted they ran into a City team in their prime, but one Covid EPL title seems to be underwhelming.
Unpopular opinion I'm guessing.
One of Liverpool's greatest managers, end of story.
Without him, City would be heading for seven in a row. No one else has even run Pep close, never mind taken him to the final day. Plus, three CL final appearances, one won.
Underwhelming me arse.
Leicester not win one during pep's time?
Pep joined City year after.. Conte (Pep's 1st Season) and Klopp only managers to beat City to the title
Ah.. some record all the same, regardless of the dough
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2024, 11:01:36 AMSay it quietly around the Reds on here, but if Klopp goes this season without winning the title will his tenure be deemed as an underachievement?
After all they have been the best team in the world since he took over ;)
Granted they ran into a City team in their prime, but one Covid EPL title seems to be underwhelming.
Unpopular opinion I'm guessing.
1 league title
1 champions league
1 super cup
1 club world cup
2 league cups
1 fa cup
That's assuming we don't win the league this year, which admittedly is a big ask.
Compare that to the 9 years previous, or even the 9 years before that. He's done well.
Klopp will always be a legend. He gave us a ridiculous amount of moments that will never be forgotten. It is a shame that he came up against 115 charges FC in his tenure which made winning the league nigh on impossible and who knows, if they do throw the book at city in years to come, what he achieved may be more appreciated.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 19, 2024, 07:42:08 PMQuote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2024, 11:01:36 AMSay it quietly around the Reds on here, but if Klopp goes this season without winning the title will his tenure be deemed as an underachievement?
After all they have been the best team in the world since he took over ;)
Granted they ran into a City team in their prime, but one Covid EPL title seems to be underwhelming.
Unpopular opinion I'm guessing.
1 league title
1 champions league
1 super cup
1 club world cup
2 league cups
1 fa cup
That's assuming we don't win the league this year, which admittedly is a big ask.
Compare that to the 9 years previous, or even the 9 years before that. He's done well.
Klopp will always be a legend. He gave us a ridiculous amount of moments that will never be forgotten. It is a shame that he came up against 115 charges FC in his tenure which made winning the league nigh on impossible and who knows, if they do throw the book at city in years to come, what he achieved may be more appreciated.
How many times did Liverpool come second in the league to City?
Twice under Klopp.
Pipped by a point both times on the final day.
Quote from: J70 on April 19, 2024, 08:26:32 PMTwice under Klopp.
Pipped by a point both times on the final day.
If City were to lose their appeal and leagues were stripped with second place taking the spoils Utd would have two as well?
Seems mental
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 19, 2024, 07:42:08 PMIt is a shame that he came up against 115 charges FC in his tenure which made winning the league nigh on impossible and who knows, if they do throw the book at city in years to come, what he achieved may be more appreciated.
In season 2021/22 it wasn't that as a win against Tottenham at home instead of a draw with three games to play would have won the league title for Liverpool.
I do feel for Liverpool, its clear as day they've been denied an amazing era of domestic success by City's financial doping
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2024, 12:30:44 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 19, 2024, 07:42:08 PMIt is a shame that he came up against 115 charges FC in his tenure which made winning the league nigh on impossible and who knows, if they do throw the book at city in years to come, what he achieved may be more appreciated.
In season 2021/22 it wasn't that as a win against Tottenham at home instead of a draw with three games to play would have won the league title for Liverpool.
You seem fairly simple minded but that season Liverpool lost two games and had 92 points, it still wasn't enough. That tells you all you need to know
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2024, 12:30:44 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 19, 2024, 07:42:08 PMIt is a shame that he came up against 115 charges FC in his tenure which made winning the league nigh on impossible and who knows, if they do throw the book at city in years to come, what he achieved may be more appreciated.
In season 2021/22 it wasn't that as a win against Tottenham at home instead of a draw with three games to play would have won the league title for Liverpool.
'these are small, but those are far away....'
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 20, 2024, 10:08:09 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2024, 12:30:44 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 19, 2024, 07:42:08 PMIt is a shame that he came up against 115 charges FC in his tenure which made winning the league nigh on impossible and who knows, if they do throw the book at city in years to come, what he achieved may be more appreciated.
In season 2021/22 it wasn't that as a win against Tottenham at home instead of a draw with three games to play would have won the league title for Liverpool.
You seem fairly simple minded but that season Liverpool lost two games and had 92 points, it still wasn't enough. That tells you all you need to know
If there was any justice City would be stripped of all their titles. Will admit that Liverpool side did unbelievably well to get near that financially and I've a feeling physically doped team. Bit like that Mayo team running into the Dubs but at least Liverpool got their title!
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 10:25:44 AMQuote from: Kidder81 on April 20, 2024, 10:08:09 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2024, 12:30:44 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 19, 2024, 07:42:08 PMIt is a shame that he came up against 115 charges FC in his tenure which made winning the league nigh on impossible and who knows, if they do throw the book at city in years to come, what he achieved may be more appreciated.
In season 2021/22 it wasn't that as a win against Tottenham at home instead of a draw with three games to play would have won the league title for Liverpool.
You seem fairly simple minded but that season Liverpool lost two games and had 92 points, it still wasn't enough. That tells you all you need to know
If there was any justice City would be stripped of all their titles. Will admit that Liverpool side did unbelievably well to get near that financially and I've a feeling physically doped team. Bit like that Mayo team running into the Dubs but at least Liverpool got their title!
Does that mean Man Utd and Liverpool would need to bring back their players from those years and be presented with the PL trophy?
Sure what consolation would that be anyway? Let's go to Old Trafford to see the 2012 team lift the PL trophy? Would Stevie G's slip and Aguerooooo be erased from history?
Nah, if you're going to punish them , a Rangers-style demotion is the way to go , with a few years in the Vauxhall conference (or lower). That's the place for them.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 20, 2024, 11:10:16 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 10:25:44 AMQuote from: Kidder81 on April 20, 2024, 10:08:09 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2024, 12:30:44 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 19, 2024, 07:42:08 PMIt is a shame that he came up against 115 charges FC in his tenure which made winning the league nigh on impossible and who knows, if they do throw the book at city in years to come, what he achieved may be more appreciated.
In season 2021/22 it wasn't that as a win against Tottenham at home instead of a draw with three games to play would have won the league title for Liverpool.
You seem fairly simple minded but that season Liverpool lost two games and had 92 points, it still wasn't enough. That tells you all you need to know
If there was any justice City would be stripped of all their titles. Will admit that Liverpool side did unbelievably well to get near that financially and I've a feeling physically doped team. Bit like that Mayo team running into the Dubs but at least Liverpool got their title!
Does that mean Man Utd and Liverpool would need to bring back their players from those years and be presented with the PL trophy?
Sure what consolation would that be anyway? Let's go to Old Trafford to see the 2012 team lift the PL trophy? Would Stevie G's slip and Aguerooooo be erased from history?
Nah, if you're going to punish them , a Rangers-style demotion is the way to go , with a few years in the Vauxhall conference (or lower). That's the place for them.
Oh absolutely that too!
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 20, 2024, 10:08:09 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2024, 12:30:44 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 19, 2024, 07:42:08 PMIt is a shame that he came up against 115 charges FC in his tenure which made winning the league nigh on impossible and who knows, if they do throw the book at city in years to come, what he achieved may be more appreciated.
In season 2021/22 it wasn't that as a win against Tottenham at home instead of a draw with three games to play would have won the league title for Liverpool.
You seem fairly simple minded but that season Liverpool lost two games and had 92 points, it still wasn't enough. That tells you all you need to know
Also got 97(!) in 18/19, which still wasn't enough to win the league. Which is almost mathematically impossible.
Must be a parade or two for those glorious points tally's?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2024, 11:37:32 AMMust be a parade or two for those glorious points tally's?
That's the tough sh1t of sport. You can be the best team in a below average league and you can be a really top team in a in a competitive league.
City are going for their 6th league title in 7 years. They'd be going for 7 in a row if Liverpool did not break their run. They are going for an unprecedented 4 in a row this year. People can say money is the factor, but money will only buy you a very strong squad. You still need hunger and organisation. I hear all this talk of the 115 charges against City, if they held any substance then City would be deducted points like Forest and Everton. There is no way the League would treat one club different to the rest. Klopps record of being competitive in the League here and there and being competitive in the Champions League is over blown. Any other club other than City could do what Klopp has done at liverpool the last 5 to 6 years. It's mad that he lasted so long at the club.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 20, 2024, 11:57:21 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2024, 11:37:32 AMMust be a parade or two for those glorious points tally's?
That's the tough sh1t of sport. You can be the best team in a below average league and you can be a really top team in a in a competitive league.
City are going for their 6th league title in 7 years. They'd be going for 7 in a row if Liverpool did not break their run. They are going for an unprecedented 4 in a row this year. People can say money is the factor, but money will only buy you a very strong squad. You still need hunger and organisation. I hear all this talk of the 115 charges against City, if they held any substance then City would be deducted points like Forest and Everton. There is no way the League would treat one club different to the rest. Klopps record of being competitive in the League here and there and being competitive in the Champions League is over blown. Any other club other than City could do what Klopp has done at liverpool the last 5 to 6 years. It's mad that he lasted so long at the club.
It's ongoing and they absolutely do have substance. Their charges are a whole lot more complicated than Evertons and by rights should see them fucked out of the league
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 20, 2024, 11:10:16 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 10:25:44 AMQuote from: Kidder81 on April 20, 2024, 10:08:09 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2024, 12:30:44 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 19, 2024, 07:42:08 PMIt is a shame that he came up against 115 charges FC in his tenure which made winning the league nigh on impossible and who knows, if they do throw the book at city in years to come, what he achieved may be more appreciated.
In season 2021/22 it wasn't that as a win against Tottenham at home instead of a draw with three games to play would have won the league title for Liverpool.
You seem fairly simple minded but that season Liverpool lost two games and had 92 points, it still wasn't enough. That tells you all you need to know
If there was any justice City would be stripped of all their titles. Will admit that Liverpool side did unbelievably well to get near that financially and I've a feeling physically doped team. Bit like that Mayo team running into the Dubs but at least Liverpool got their title!
Does that mean Man Utd and Liverpool would need to bring back their players from those years and be presented with the PL trophy?
Sure what consolation would that be anyway? Let's go to Old Trafford to see the 2012 team lift the PL trophy? Would Stevie G's slip and Aguerooooo be erased from history?
Nah, if you're going to punish them , a Rangers-style demotion is the way to go , with a few years in the Vauxhall conference (or lower). That's the place for them.
I seriously doubt any Liverpool or United fans are looking for those types of meaningless, asterisked titles. Severe demotion penalty, as you say, is the way to go.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 10:25:44 AMIf there was any justice City would be stripped of all their titles. Will admit that Liverpool side did unbelievably well to get near that financially and I've a feeling physically doped team. Bit like that Mayo team running into the Dubs but at least Liverpool got their title!
Mayo are similar, All Ireland finals there to be won against Dublin in 2016,17 and found ways to lose them and even when they took out Dublin in 2012,2021 they ended up losing to Donegal,Tyrone. We can all talk about the advantages of Manchester City and how much of soulless club there are however they weren't winning that 2021/22 league title without that Liverpool slip up with a few games to play against Tottenham who they more often than not beat in Anfield.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2024, 01:46:02 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 10:25:44 AMIf there was any justice City would be stripped of all their titles. Will admit that Liverpool side did unbelievably well to get near that financially and I've a feeling physically doped team. Bit like that Mayo team running into the Dubs but at least Liverpool got their title!
Mayo are similar, All Ireland finals there to be won against Dublin in 2016,17 and found ways to lose them and even when they took out Dublin in 2012,2021 they ended up losing to Donegal,Tyrone. We can all talk about the advantages of Manchester City and how much of soulless club there are however they weren't winning that 2021/22 league title without that Liverpool slip up with a few games to play against Tottenham who they more often than not beat in Anfield.
Next Liverpool fans will be using the excuse of making it to the Champions League final in 21/22. And the extra pressure of getting there and it affecting their League push.
Arsenal on road to 6th clean sheet in a row in away PL games.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2024, 01:46:02 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 10:25:44 AMIf there was any justice City would be stripped of all their titles. Will admit that Liverpool side did unbelievably well to get near that financially and I've a feeling physically doped team. Bit like that Mayo team running into the Dubs but at least Liverpool got their title!
Mayo are similar, All Ireland finals there to be won against Dublin in 2016,17 and found ways to lose them and even when they took out Dublin in 2012,2021 they ended up losing to Donegal,Tyrone. We can all talk about the advantages of Manchester City and how much of soulless club there are however they weren't winning that 2021/22 league title without that Liverpool slip up with a few games to play against Tottenham who they more often than not beat in Anfield.
Tell me you know nothing about football without telling me you know nothing about football ;D
City slip into third ! Arsenal's or Liverpools to lose now
Game in hand means nothing ;)
Glad that Everton got the win yesterday, but VAR did indeed screw Forest in at least one penalty, maybe two.
It'll be interesting the Premier League and PGMOL response to their Twitter tirade.
No balls in the VAR box. Afraid to tell their mates that they've made an error.
Nice for Villa to build a little cushion from Spurs. Let's see how they go with their games in hand. Ollie Watkins has had a superb year.
Clattenburg being in that position at Forest stinks a bit IMO. I would expect Forest to be fined and VAR people not to be allowed to do it again for a while.
Forest a joke, don't think any of those decisions are nailed on pens. Not having either of the first 2, probably need to see the 3rd again.
The whinging after the Liverpool was a farce and thats from a United fan.
Clattenburg has lost any credibility he had, to be associated with them.
Quote from: jcpen on April 21, 2024, 06:39:35 PMTell me you know nothing about football without telling me you know nothing about football ;D
We all know Liverpool supporters like yourself are blinded by the reality of any situation. What I can tell you is it's probably for the best that you stick to other discussions/hobbies of yours such as golf and running.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 22, 2024, 06:03:13 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 21, 2024, 06:39:35 PMTell me you know nothing about football without telling me you know nothing about football ;D
We all know Liverpool supporters like yourself are blinded by the reality of any situation. What I can tell you is it's probably for the best that you stick to other discussions/hobbies of yours such as golf and running.
;D
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 22, 2024, 10:45:37 AMForest a joke, don't think any of those decisions are nailed on pens. Not having either of the first 2, probably need to see the 3rd again.
The whinging after the Liverpool was a farce and thats from a United fan.
Yeah but we have to look back and see who started this current trend of releasing these types of statements. It was they who opened this particular can of worms and now act holier than thou typically.
Emery signing an extended contract with Villa today will put to bed any summer speculation in that regard.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 20, 2024, 11:57:21 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2024, 11:37:32 AMMust be a parade or two for those glorious points tally's?
That's the tough sh1t of sport. You can be the best team in a below average league and you can be a really top team in a in a competitive league.
City are going for their 6th league title in 7 years. They'd be going for 7 in a row if Liverpool did not break their run. They are going for an unprecedented 4 in a row this year. People can say money is the factor, but money will only buy you a very strong squad. You still need hunger and organisation. I hear all this talk of the 115 charges against City, if they held any substance then City would be deducted points like Forest and Everton. There is no way the League would treat one club different to the rest. Klopps record of being competitive in the League here and there and being competitive in the Champions League is over blown. Any other club other than City could do what Klopp has done at liverpool the last 5 to 6 years. It's mad that he lasted so long at the club.
Cities are much more complicated. Not sure why it should take so long. There's loads of dodgy stuff like receiving millions of sponsorship money from companies that didn't exist.
Money can only get you so far (see Yanited). But it can get you the best manager in the world, the best players and scouts etc. Pep hardly went to Man City for the mediocre history, did he? It's not as if he took a bunch of lads from the academy either. It's an impressive sporting feat what they have achieved, but it's pretty clear that they did so outside the financial rules etc., which are lax as it is.
F*ck me Bunker I've read some shite on this board but that's deffo up there 🤣🤣🤣🤣 sorry/glad I missed it first time round. Those last two sentences will take some beating.
When you've time on your hands write down the amount of points the likes of United Arsenal Chelsea Spurs finished behind city in the past 6,7 years then revisit your musings 🤣🤣🤣
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 23, 2024, 04:25:04 PMF*ck me Bunker I've read some shite on this board but that's deffo up there 🤣🤣🤣🤣 sorry/glad I missed it first time round. Those last two sentences will take some beating.
When you've time on your hands write down the amount of points the likes of United Arsenal Chelsea Spurs finished behind city in the past 6,7 years then revisit your musings 🤣🤣🤣
I was playing Devils advocate...... ;)
Have I just made a fool of myself?!
Won't be the first time
I should go back and read all but cba but will apologise 😆🤝
All too easy for Arsenal against Chelsea tonight, I didn't see the FA cup semi final but on this poor showing tonight how did Chelsea only lose 1-0 against Man City at the weekend?
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 23, 2024, 09:26:30 PMAll too easy for Arsenal against Chelsea tonight, I didn't see the FA cup semi final but on this poor showing tonight how did Chelsea only lose 1-0 against Man City at the weekend?
Were the better team against City.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 23, 2024, 09:26:30 PMAll too easy for Arsenal against Chelsea tonight, I didn't see the FA cup semi final but on this poor showing tonight how did Chelsea only lose 1-0 against Man City at the weekend?
Every game is different
Chelsea are a shambles.
Going against popular opinion but mccoist annoys me. There, Ive said it 🤓
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 23, 2024, 09:33:46 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 23, 2024, 09:26:30 PMAll too easy for Arsenal against Chelsea tonight, I didn't see the FA cup semi final but on this poor showing tonight how did Chelsea only lose 1-0 against Man City at the weekend?
Every game is different
Just depends if certain players could be bothered to really put in a big shift in any certain match
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 23, 2024, 09:38:01 PMChelsea are a shambles.
Going against popular opinion but mccoist annoys me. There, Ive said it 🤓
He's a dose
5-0 flattered Chelsea tonight.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 23, 2024, 09:57:55 PM5-0 flattered Chelsea tonight.
Arsenal could easily have had 5 more. Chelsea completely crumbled.
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 23, 2024, 09:57:03 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 23, 2024, 09:38:01 PMChelsea are a shambles.
Going against popular opinion but mccoist annoys me. There, Ive said it 🤓
He's a dose
He was OK as a change from the usual Sky commentators but now that he is on nearly every time BT have a game he is sickening. Comes out with the same shit the whole time.
Once in a while was fine but now its just hard to listen too.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 24, 2024, 09:45:20 AMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 23, 2024, 09:57:03 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 23, 2024, 09:38:01 PMChelsea are a shambles.
Going against popular opinion but mccoist annoys me. There, Ive said it 🤓
He's a dose
He was OK as a change from the usual Sky commentators but now that he is on nearly every time BT have a game he is sickening. Comes out with the same shit the whole time.
Once in a while was fine but now its just hard to listen too.
He got a bit of a cult following at the World Cup and people were saying he was refreshing etc etc. He has then had to play up the persona and over time it grates on some people. I don't mind him but I watch less and less soccer ball these days so it doesn't annoy me.
He's better than Neville and Carragher.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 24, 2024, 09:48:53 AMQuote from: NAG1 on April 24, 2024, 09:45:20 AMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 23, 2024, 09:57:03 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 23, 2024, 09:38:01 PMChelsea are a shambles.
Going against popular opinion but mccoist annoys me. There, Ive said it 🤓
He's a dose
He was OK as a change from the usual Sky commentators but now that he is on nearly every time BT have a game he is sickening. Comes out with the same shit the whole time.
Once in a while was fine but now its just hard to listen too.
He got a bit of a cult following at the World Cup and people were saying he was refreshing etc etc. He has then had to play up the persona and over time it grates on some people. I don't mind him but I watch less and less soccer ball these days so it doesn't annoy me.
I like his difference to the usual sound bites. There will obviously be the Celtic ones that regardless of what he done will have it in for him, but he comes across as well, some mornings I'll have talk sport on and there is good banter with him on it
Find McCoist decent as he really gets excited with creative play, calls out dark arts here and there, and encourages the commentator have their say and backs them up in a jovial way if he agrees, whereas with Neville and Carragher its the Nev and Carra show with deference given to their views, they're super-steadfast and all-knowing, usually after the fact
How your man got away with gobbing on the supporter from his car I'll never know, what a thramp
I dont mind Ally.
I hate when sky have either Neville or Carragher on co comms for their respective teams.
Lee Dixon remains the worst.
Quote from: lurganblue on April 24, 2024, 11:29:39 AMI dont mind Ally.
I hate when sky have either Neville or Carragher on co comms for their respective teams.
Lee Dixon remains the worst.
Clinton Morrison is the worst commentator and worst pundit in history, in any sport.
A vuvuzela waving, Tourette's suffering Inuit in the process of childbirth, would deliver an improved aural experience.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 24, 2024, 11:54:44 AMQuote from: lurganblue on April 24, 2024, 11:29:39 AMI dont mind Ally.
I hate when sky have either Neville or Carragher on co comms for their respective teams.
Lee Dixon remains the worst.
Clinton Morrison is the worst commentator and worst pundit in history, in any sport.
A vuvuzela waving, Tourette's suffering Inuit in the process of childbirth, would deliver an improved aural experience.
Got to agree with that
Stephen Warnock has to be up there.
Check out Ray Hudson that us stateside are entirely cursed with
Quote from: gawa316 on April 24, 2024, 04:00:42 PMCheck out Ray Hudson that us stateside are entirely cursed with
Is he the one that sounds like a stereotypical Geordie doing a bad impression of a stereotypical Geordie?
The run in is very interesting
I am not sure where to stand on Poch at Chelsea. Some fans on the Guardian who seem to know their stuff are heavily critical of him and his choices, but they have bought some absolute tools.
I mean there seem to be a lot of unlikeable people with them and the money spent doesn't mean they are, or ever will be, decent players.
It's like they bought a load of Antonys. A lad who had a stint and then got mad money, but can't actually perform week in week out.
Chelsea will have another mad clear-out and buy another load of talent who are dirt.
Is there any hope of a City slip?
Quote from: lurganblue on April 24, 2024, 11:29:39 AMI dont mind Ally.
I hate when sky have either Neville or Carragher on co comms for their respective teams.
Lee Dixon remains the worst.
Steve McManaman is by a country mile imo
Quote from: dec on April 24, 2024, 05:03:21 PMQuote from: gawa316 on April 24, 2024, 04:00:42 PMCheck out Ray Hudson that us stateside are entirely cursed with
Is he the one that sounds like a stereotypical Geordie doing a bad impression of a stereotypical Geordie?
That's your man!
Quote from: gawa316 on April 24, 2024, 07:57:55 PMQuote from: dec on April 24, 2024, 05:03:21 PMQuote from: gawa316 on April 24, 2024, 04:00:42 PMCheck out Ray Hudson that us stateside are entirely cursed with
Is he the one that sounds like a stereotypical Geordie doing a bad impression of a stereotypical Geordie?
That's your man!
He's unbearable.
Don't mind Lee Dixon, especially when he's with Le Saux
Enjoy Neville's podcast thing, the Overlap. Has some good guests on there.
Deserved lead for the the toffees at halftime.If Everton had put as much effort into the rest of the season they wouldn't be where they are ;D
Liverpool missing some great chances as has happened so many times in games this season.
Liverpool 7/4 against relegated haunted Everton
Fill your boots
Great game for the neutral
Quote from: jcpen on April 24, 2024, 08:51:47 PMDeserved lead for the the toffees at halftime.If Everton had put as much effort into the rest of the season they wouldn't be where they are ;D
Liverpool missing some great chances as has happened so many times in games this season.
Same old story. As shite as Liverpool were for half an hour, they really should be ahead in this match. Title chance blown through missed easy chances.
Liverpool will win this 2/3-1.
It's over to you now Arsenal, to defeat the state sponsored Death Star
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 24, 2024, 09:21:11 PMIt's over to you now Arsenal, to defeat the state sponsored Death Star
Only two horses left alright but can't see City losing it from here unfortunately.
20/1 for a 2-3 score
Quote from: J70 on April 24, 2024, 08:56:24 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 24, 2024, 08:51:47 PMDeserved lead for the the toffees at halftime.If Everton had put as much effort into the rest of the season they wouldn't be where they are ;D
Liverpool missing some great chances as has happened so many times in games this season.
Same old story. As shite as Liverpool were for half an hour, they really should be ahead in this match. Title chance blown through missed easy chances.
Surprised at how many are just going through the motions with a title at stake.
Deserved win for Everton. If they played like that every week they would be in the mix for European places.
Liverpool's form has really fallen off a cliff the last few weeks.
At least the new manager will have Champions League football for next season.
Hope everyone who filled their boots at HT betting on a Liverpool win now know how foolish gambling is... ;)
A bad night for jcpen who loves Liverpool and hates Everton so to see Liverpool lose and Everton win in the same night..
It was a league title to lose for Liverpool and now they need a few snookers to win it.
That's the quad done then
Quote from: jcpen on April 24, 2024, 09:57:59 PMDeserved win for Everton. If they played like that every week they would be in the mix for European places.
Liverpool's form has really fallen off a cliff the last few weeks.
At least the new manager will have Champions League football for next season.
Hope everyone who filled their boots at HT betting on a Liverpool win now know how foolish gambling is... ;)
They've still created more than enough chances to win almost all those games though. I'd say the finishing has fallen off a cliff. Salah and Nunez in particular look hopelessly out of form.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 24, 2024, 10:00:12 PMA bad night for jcpen who loves Liverpool and hates Everton so to see Liverpool lose and Everton win in the same night..
It was a league title to lose for Liverpool and now they need a few snookers to win it.
;D
Ha ha ha
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 24, 2024, 10:16:54 PMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on April 24, 2024, 10:09:04 PMHa ha ha
Biggest victory since the 1995 FA Cup?
I think they'd a few last day escapes in the interim, so not quite that high on their honour roll. :D
Administration may still be looming according to Miguel Delaney today.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 24, 2024, 09:21:11 PMIt's over to you now Arsenal, to defeat the state sponsored Death Star
Well in that case...
C'mon the Death Star.
Ha ha ha, again
Quote from: J70 on April 24, 2024, 10:18:36 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on April 24, 2024, 10:16:54 PMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on April 24, 2024, 10:09:04 PMHa ha ha
Biggest victory since the 1995 FA Cup?
I think they'd a few last day escapes in the interim, so not quite that high on their honour roll. :D
Administration may still be looming according to Miguel Delaney today.
After tonight's results I'd say they'd be happy to drop a division or two
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 24, 2024, 10:23:04 PMHa ha ha, again
Delaney article (https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/everton-liverpool-premier-league-takeover-relegation-777-b2533193.html)
What's amusing you?
I'd be very concerned about the state of Everton FC, historically a top club, if I was a fan of theirs. Other big clubs have fallen through the floor due to mismanagement.
Nothing against them myself. I hope they get straightened out.
Quote from: J70 on April 24, 2024, 10:02:45 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 24, 2024, 09:57:59 PMDeserved win for Everton. If they played like that every week they would be in the mix for European places.
Liverpool's form has really fallen off a cliff the last few weeks.
At least the new manager will have Champions League football for next season.
Hope everyone who filled their boots at HT betting on a Liverpool win now know how foolish gambling is... ;)
They've still created more than enough chances to win almost all those games though. I'd say the finishing has fallen off a cliff. Salah and Nunez in particular look hopelessly out of form.
Would that not be Nunez bang on form?
Salah, for all the praise he gets, has form for going missing in the second half of seasons when the heat is on.
I thought at the time of his new contract they would have been better cash in. He was always a greedy player on the pitch and could be frustrating to watch but justified it with his record. But now looks a shadow of himself and getting paid way way way more than he's worth.
Nunez, for a lad who wouldn't finish his dinner, has some self belief and is an incredibly greedy player. Takes some crazy options at critical times when he should be laying off. Unbelievably frustrating, gets so many chances, and that has to eventually wear on a team. Grand lad for a mid table club but to win a championship, forget it.
I still think Man City could finish on around 86 points so this season was a chance to topple them, Arsenal might yet if form sticks.
From Premierleague.com.
Shots on target top 5 players
E Haaland 48
M Salah 47
O Wakins 45
D Nunez 44
C Palmer 40
Nunez is top of the list for hitting the post or crossbar (9 times) next is O Wakins at 5.
Total shots top 5
D Nunez 105 (goals 11)
E Haaland 102 (goals 20)
M Salah 100 (goals 17)
O Wakins 100 (goals 19)
D Solanke 98 (goals 17)
Cole Palmer the best 20 goals from 82 shots.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 25, 2024, 08:10:02 AMSalah, for all the praise he gets, has form for going missing in the second half of seasons when the heat is on.
Yes, saw that stat. Not sure if it is a mentality thing or being burnt out from starting most games.
Man City 3 up. Brighton in holiday mode. A good chance to boost their goal difference. Have been very poor the last few months. Don't think DeZerbi will be getting one of the top jobs.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 25, 2024, 08:37:29 PMMan City 3 up. Brighton in holiday mode. A good chance to boost their goal difference. Have been very poor the last few months. Don't think DeZerbi will be getting one of the top jobs.
2nd goal that came from a free kick I don't think was a foul on Foden. Very poor by Brighton trying to play out from the back on the 3rd goal.
Brighton we're doing great this season but have went to shit this last while.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 25, 2024, 09:20:06 PMBrighton we're doing great this season but have went to shit this last while.
You can only sell your better players for so long before ending up where Southampton are
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 25, 2024, 09:08:14 PMQuote from: Gael85 on April 25, 2024, 08:37:29 PMMan City 3 up. Brighton in holiday mode. A good chance to boost their goal difference. Have been very poor the last few months. Don't think DeZerbi will be getting one of the top jobs.
2nd goal that came from a free kick I don't think was a foul on Foden. Very poor by Brighton trying to play out from the back on the 3rd goal.
Definitely not a free for Foden. Might as well give the trophy to Man City now. Won't be stopped.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 25, 2024, 09:41:17 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 25, 2024, 09:08:14 PMQuote from: Gael85 on April 25, 2024, 08:37:29 PMMan City 3 up. Brighton in holiday mode. A good chance to boost their goal difference. Have been very poor the last few months. Don't think DeZerbi will be getting one of the top jobs.
2nd goal that came from a free kick I don't think was a foul on Foden. Very poor by Brighton trying to play out from the back on the 3rd goal.
Definitely not a free for Foden. Might as well give the trophy to Man City now. Won't be stopped.
Even if it wasn't a free kick, Brighton are on their Hols and lost 4 nil.
One team had a chance to win the league but a draw and defeat took it out of their hands..
Massive game this weekend in north London. Regardless of what points City do or don't drop, Arsenal have to keep the pressure on. A slip of any sort from now on by them and the race is well and truly over.
Tottenham have to play all 3.They were 5th last time I looked.
Villa are 2 ahead of them with 2 more played. This is what sporting jeopardy means.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 25, 2024, 09:08:14 PMQuote from: Gael85 on April 25, 2024, 08:37:29 PMMan City 3 up. Brighton in holiday mode. A good chance to boost their goal difference. Have been very poor the last few months. Don't think DeZerbi will be getting one of the top jobs.
2nd goal that came from a free kick I don't think was a foul on Foden. Very poor by Brighton trying to play out from the back on the 3rd goal.
Never a foul and Brighton denied what looked like a penalty.
Probably wouldn't have changed the final outcome but would have made it interesting for a while rather than a stroll in the park that it was.
With Leeds loss leicester city promotion back to the Premier League confirmed.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2024, 12:58:30 AMWith Leeds loss leicester city promotion back to the Premier League confirmed.
They must have really shit the bed to get a hammering by a team that far down the table
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 27, 2024, 08:13:03 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2024, 12:58:30 AMWith Leeds loss leicester city promotion back to the Premier League confirmed.
They must have really shit the bed to get a hammering by a team that far down the table
Leeds doing Leeds.. they are like Spurs
Liverpool players already on the beach it seems.
Quote from: jcpen on April 27, 2024, 01:17:49 PMLiverpool players already on the beach it seems.
The derby loss has broken them
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 27, 2024, 04:02:01 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 27, 2024, 01:17:49 PMLiverpool players already on the beach it seems.
The derby loss has broken them
I would say it was the Crystal Palace defeat at Anfield was what's broken them but whatever you think 👍
High point of delmontes season let him have his glory 🤣🤣
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 27, 2024, 04:23:39 PMHigh point of delmontes season let him have his glory 🤣🤣
The draw with Utd is what done it said Klopp
There's small margins in football. Liverpool have had a very good season but in truth the overall form was never there to last a City team in a run in. They are not clinical enough up front and City don't drop points end of season. This magnifies the gulf but if Liverpool could sort themselves out upfront they are nearly there.
Hopefully Arsenal can pick up all points this weekend and next two, to really keep the pressure on City and bring the race to the final day. They are the better natural fit to dethrone the champions. Much more solid defensively and more clinical upfront than any other challenger. But one slip up and the chance is gone. City might mess up once between now and the end, but not twice.
Late goal/winner for Chelsea disallowed. Pochettino thinks the decision was unbelievable but the ref missed a push in the back in the lead up to the goal and for me the correct decision in the end.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2024, 10:19:49 PMLate goal/winner for Chelsea disallowed. Pochettino thinks the decision was unbelievable but the ref missed a push in the back in the lead up to the goal and for me the correct decision in the end.
Very harsh to disallow. Very similar to Arsenal and Wolves last week when Jesus nudged Matt Doherty and goal was given.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 27, 2024, 10:32:03 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2024, 10:19:49 PMLate goal/winner for Chelsea disallowed. Pochettino thinks the decision was unbelievable but the ref missed a push in the back in the lead up to the goal and for me the correct decision in the end.
Very harsh to disallow. Very similar to Arsenal and Wolves last week when Jesus nudged Matt Doherty and goal was given.
Without the push that goal scoring opportunity doesn't get created. Didn't see that Arsenal goal, if the same it should have been disallowed also.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2024, 10:19:49 PMLate goal/winner for Chelsea disallowed. Pochettino thinks the decision was unbelievable but the ref missed a push in the back in the lead up to the goal and for me the correct decision in the end.
Is that 'foul' a penalty at the other end?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 28, 2024, 12:04:39 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2024, 10:19:49 PMLate goal/winner for Chelsea disallowed. Pochettino thinks the decision was unbelievable but the ref missed a push in the back in the lead up to the goal and for me the correct decision in the end.
Is that 'foul' a penalty at the other end?
But the ref had a curry in Birmingham recently and had to 'ignore' it due to his affliction to curry's
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 28, 2024, 12:04:39 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2024, 10:19:49 PMLate goal/winner for Chelsea disallowed. Pochettino thinks the decision was unbelievable but the ref missed a push in the back in the lead up to the goal and for me the correct decision in the end.
Is that 'foul' a penalty at the other end?
Push a forward out of the way as he's about to shoot or create a chance in area then yes it should be a penalty.
Aston Villa have 4th spot sealed now. Spurs on their holidays.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 28, 2024, 02:39:49 PMAston Villa have 4th spot sealed now. Spurs on their holidays.
Spurs playing much better than Arsenal today.
Arsenal getting every rub of every green in this match.
Arsenal making easy work of their so called hardest match on their run-in. Ange Postecoglou side aren't hard to score against and he shouldn't be in the conversation for any team that has plans to challenge for major honours.
Does anyone else feel the PL has petered out a bit before it's even over? Maybe it's just me and my view of modern football but it's dull
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2024, 03:00:50 PMArsenal making easy work of their so called hardest match on their run-in. Ange Postecoglou side aren't hard to score against and he shouldn't be in the conversation for any team that has plans to challenge for major honours.
Arsenals to lose?
Quote from: An Watcher on April 29, 2024, 07:08:03 AMDoes anyone else feel the PL has petered out a bit before it's even over? Maybe it's just me and my view of modern football but it's dull
I think it has lacked a proper title race last couple of years since Liverpool regressed a little bit, but apart from that it's the same as it every was. Just no one able to keep with City when teams come off the bridle.
Take this year, back in January people were saying mid 80 points would lift the trophy. Now they're saying Liverpool have collapsed even though they're still on course for that target even with a few bad results. City not letting up has skewed things. Under normal years past, they'd still be in the race, but now their fans have lost interest in the season. Hopefully Arsenal don't blink first and City slip up. If they don't, that will be 28 points from 30 in a 10 game run in. That's simply insane.
But if you don't follow one of the traditional big guns, all the other dramas are still there- jockeying for Euro places, relegation battles, trying to break into top 10 etc
Spurs certainly not on the beach yet. They are well in the battle for 4th. They've games in hand albeit a couple of difficult ones.
If only Villa could hold on to 2 nil leads. I dont understand how anyone thinks Chelsea's 3rd should have stood. Are deliberate shoves in the back and no attempt to play the ball ok now?
Nah, Spurs are done. Their form has collapsed, and they still have to go to Anfield, host a very focused City, and to go to Chelsea too, which is rarely good for them. Wouldn't be surprised to see United pip them for 5th.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 29, 2024, 12:10:25 PMNah, Spurs are done. Their form has collapsed, and they still have to go to Anfield, host a very focused City, and to go to Chelsea too, which is rarely good for them. Wouldn't be surprised to see United pip them for 5th.
Utd couldn't pip a grape!
Shocking that a team needs a 4 goal cushion to be certain of a win ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 29, 2024, 07:27:14 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2024, 03:00:50 PMArsenal making easy work of their so called hardest match on their run-in. Ange Postecoglou side aren't hard to score against and he shouldn't be in the conversation for any team that has plans to challenge for major honours.
Arsenals to lose?
They need Manchester City to slip up in one of their remaining games for that to be the case.
It was Liverpools to lose yet wasted that opportunity by losing to Everton,Crystal Palace and only drawing with West Ham and Manchester United. Two points out of possible very achievable twelve points on offer.
;D
Quote from: J70 on April 24, 2024, 10:18:36 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on April 24, 2024, 10:16:54 PMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on April 24, 2024, 10:09:04 PMHa ha ha
Biggest victory since the 1995 FA Cup?
I think they'd a few last day escapes in the interim, so not quite that high on their honour roll. :D
Administration may still be looming according to Miguel Delaney today.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/cqqnkgv0k19o?at_bbc_team=editorial&at_link_type=web_link&at_link_id=3F1E80F6-0797-11EF-8596-852CC6F219BC&at_format=link&at_medium=social&at_campaign_type=owned&at_ptr_name=facebook_page&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_origin=Match_of_the_Day&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2oZVrP_CNSiDSKtT6lTNWIBdDNLx4ypciZhYlCf13WQxsa3iWB3rtjFMw_aem_AbyW6w-mP-3SWX8JNK0XxU-Vme2tNKdfLKWSHfTt5tuRecWLD0pzxo2yaaWyF20AsdkUFhPdtAF2BDtN4cGQYIPD
What's people's take on Chelsea and Pochettino? Gets a very easy ride from the press compared to Utd, although if they win tonight they'll only be 3 points behind them.
With that squad though, surely they should be contenders. If they have everyone fit next year, a good manager should be at least competing for CL, and if City regress, a title. If they can't, you'd imagine huge financial implications are coming down the line.
Quote from: Look-Up! on May 02, 2024, 09:42:31 AMWhat's people's take on Chelsea and Pochettino? Gets a very easy ride from the press compared to Utd, although if they win tonight they'll only be 3 points behind them.
With that squad though, surely they should be contenders. If they have everyone fit next year, a good manager should be at least competing for CL, and if City regress, a title. If they can't, you'd imagine huge financial implications are coming down the line.
They definitely worked their socks off in that last game against Villa.
Quote from: Sportacus on May 02, 2024, 10:39:32 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on May 02, 2024, 09:42:31 AMWhat's people's take on Chelsea and Pochettino? Gets a very easy ride from the press compared to Utd, although if they win tonight they'll only be 3 points behind them.
With that squad though, surely they should be contenders. If they have everyone fit next year, a good manager should be at least competing for CL, and if City regress, a title. If they can't, you'd imagine huge financial implications are coming down the line.
They definitely worked their socks off in that last game against Villa.
In the second half, yes, they were dung in the first half, but that's the inconsistency of Chelsea and must be frustrating for Poch.
Quote from: Look-Up! on May 02, 2024, 09:42:31 AMWhat's people's take on Chelsea and Pochettino? Gets a very easy ride from the press compared to Utd, although if they win tonight they'll only be 3 points behind them.
With that squad though, surely they should be contenders. If they have everyone fit next year, a good manager should be at least competing for CL, and if City regress, a title. If they can't, you'd imagine huge financial implications are coming down the line.
If Abrahamovich was still there would be well gone. All the money wasted spent lack a decent no 9 and goalie. Conor Gallagher as captain shows lack of leaders in the group too.
Quote from: Gael85 on May 02, 2024, 02:55:46 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on May 02, 2024, 09:42:31 AMWhat's people's take on Chelsea and Pochettino? Gets a very easy ride from the press compared to Utd, although if they win tonight they'll only be 3 points behind them.
With that squad though, surely they should be contenders. If they have everyone fit next year, a good manager should be at least competing for CL, and if City regress, a title. If they can't, you'd imagine huge financial implications are coming down the line.
If Abrahamovich was still there would be well gone. All the money wasted spent lack a decent no 9 and goalie. Conor Gallagher as captain shows lack of leaders in the group too.
Defensively poor too for a team that need to improve up front. Doesn't seem to be much structure to them, not that I see much of them. Maybe that's the problem, squad too big with loads of talent means they don't stick to a system or settled 11. Probably need a manager who's a c**t.
Quote from: Gael85 on May 02, 2024, 02:55:46 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on May 02, 2024, 09:42:31 AMWhat's people's take on Chelsea and Pochettino? Gets a very easy ride from the press compared to Utd, although if they win tonight they'll only be 3 points behind them.
With that squad though, surely they should be contenders. If they have everyone fit next year, a good manager should be at least competing for CL, and if City regress, a title. If they can't, you'd imagine huge financial implications are coming down the line.
If Abrahamovich was still there would be well gone. All the money wasted spent lack a decent no 9 and goalie. Conor Gallagher as captain shows lack of leaders in the group too.
Yes he would be gone months ago, doubtful if even appointed under Abrahamovich. He's a darling of the English media so an easy ride was expected.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 27, 2024, 10:32:03 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2024, 10:19:49 PMLate goal/winner for Chelsea disallowed. Pochettino thinks the decision was unbelievable but the ref missed a push in the back in the lead up to the goal and for me the correct decision in the end.
Very harsh to disallow. Very similar to Arsenal and Wolves last week when Jesus nudged Matt Doherty and goal was given.
Harsh? Clear foul that was as obvious as you would see on the street.
Spurs are every colour of shite.
Quote from: jcpen on May 05, 2024, 05:39:03 PMSpurs are every colour of shite.
Still shite but doing better now ;D
Good season endings for both Chelsea and Newcastle
https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/cprgxj4zlneo
Good weekend for Arsenal. I think Spurs' current form suits them as it can only improve one way from now on. Once Arsenal collect all 3 points against Utd next weekend, we're in for a grandstand finish. Hammers and Spurs are playing diabolically, players and managers are starting to get a bit of grief, so they should pull up their socks for their games against City.
I know City don't drop many points, but their squad is not huge. They've going for 4 in a row, just done a treble last year and were fighting on all fronts this year too until very recent. If they don't drop something in the next 3 games, it would be simply superhuman.
Just so long as Utd don't come out like the Busby Babes next weekend, which would be typical.
Great finish, shite goalkeeping letting it in on his near post.
Typical Utd. Will more than likely come out like men possessed against the gunners at the weekend.
Quote from: Look-Up! on May 07, 2024, 07:19:18 AMTypical Utd. Will more than likely come out like men possessed against the gunners at the weekend.
I just cant see that backline and midfield matching up to Arsenal at the minute.
On the race for 4th. Villa have 2 games left and I dont think that they win either of them (Liverpool H, Palace A). The hope is that Spurs go full on spursy.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 07, 2024, 10:00:57 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on May 07, 2024, 07:19:18 AMTypical Utd. Will more than likely come out like men possessed against the gunners at the weekend.
I just cant see that backline and midfield matching up to Arsenal at the minute.
On the race for 4th. Villa have 2 games left and I dont think that they win either of them (Liverpool H, Palace A). The hope is that Spurs go full on spursy.
With Fernandes, Scooby Doo and Rashford back, at home after that humiliation coupled with Arsenal being on edge anyway, I see drama and a real struggle and it would be just typical of Utd to play out of their skins and hand City the league.
I think Villa are safe. Spurs need 7 points and to correct a huge GD. Gunners would certainly love to see their north London rivals make a cut of it to get to CL. Means having to beat City.
City don't need it handed to them. They do this every year. Win out.
Quote from: markl121 on May 07, 2024, 10:39:55 AMCity don't need it handed to them. They do this every year. Win out.
If they win they win but I'd rather see them having to jump 3 hurdles and going to the last day.
Quote from: Look-Up! on May 07, 2024, 10:36:11 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 07, 2024, 10:00:57 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on May 07, 2024, 07:19:18 AMTypical Utd. Will more than likely come out like men possessed against the gunners at the weekend.
I just cant see that backline and midfield matching up to Arsenal at the minute.
On the race for 4th. Villa have 2 games left and I dont think that they win either of them (Liverpool H, Palace A). The hope is that Spurs go full on spursy.
With Fernandes, Scooby Doo and Rashford back, at home after that humiliation coupled with Arsenal being on edge anyway, I see drama and a real struggle and it would be just typical of Utd to play out of their skins and hand City the league.
I think Villa are safe. Spurs need 7 points and to correct a huge GD. Gunners would certainly love to see their north London rivals make a cut of it to get to CL. Means having to beat City.
"Scooby Doo" looks like somebody is a fan of that buck that makes money off United on youtube.
If Arsenal don't beat a United side by a bit to spare on Sunday with makeshift defence with loads of players starting whom have checked out because they know they won't be at the club next season then it will pretty much highlight why Its over 20 years since Arsenal won the league title.
Whodafuq is Scooby doo
Is that not what everybody calls him
The top part of that list is a scandal in terms of wages v return this year. Then you have Scott, or Scooby Doo as I will now call him 😃 on much less who has actually put in a shift the year
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 07, 2024, 05:46:02 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on May 07, 2024, 10:36:11 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 07, 2024, 10:00:57 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on May 07, 2024, 07:19:18 AMTypical Utd. Will more than likely come out like men possessed against the gunners at the weekend.
I just cant see that backline and midfield matching up to Arsenal at the minute.
On the race for 4th. Villa have 2 games left and I dont think that they win either of them (Liverpool H, Palace A). The hope is that Spurs go full on spursy.
With Fernandes, Scooby Doo and Rashford back, at home after that humiliation coupled with Arsenal being on edge anyway, I see drama and a real struggle and it would be just typical of Utd to play out of their skins and hand City the league.
I think Villa are safe. Spurs need 7 points and to correct a huge GD. Gunners would certainly love to see their north London rivals make a cut of it to get to CL. Means having to beat City.
"Scooby Doo" looks like somebody is a fan of that buck that makes money off United on youtube.
If Arsenal don't beat a United side by a bit to spare on Sunday with makeshift defence with loads of players starting whom have checked out because they know they won't be at the club next season then it will pretty much highlight why Its over 20 years since Arsenal won the league title.
Utd poor mouthing is getting old. They could take the field with a more expensive and higher paid team than Arsenal. Maybe if they stopped bending over at the sight of a sky blue jersey, the league in general would be better for it.
If by some miracle Utd beat Arsenal. Then Arsenal just aren't good enough.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 08, 2024, 07:53:55 AMIf by some miracle Utd beat Arsenal. Then Arsenal just aren't good enough.
Well technically if City lost 2 games and Arsenal beat Everton, they would be good enough, but I know what you mean.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 08, 2024, 07:53:55 AMIf by some miracle Utd beat Arsenal. Then Arsenal just aren't good enough.
Absolutely and the other poster above can "look up" on the difference between reality/factual information v poor mouthing.
Spurs have a penalty in the last minute to draw with City. You're a Spurs man and taking the kick. What do you do?
Quote from: ONeill on May 09, 2024, 10:58:00 PMSpurs have a penalty in the last minute to draw with City. You're a Spurs man and taking the kick. What do you do?
Boot it into the net and pick up your scoring bonus, maybe kiss the badge in the process to please the crowd who you've no affinity with as you're from Brazil, Korea or wherever.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 10, 2024, 08:59:02 AMQuote from: ONeill on May 09, 2024, 10:58:00 PMSpurs have a penalty in the last minute to draw with City. You're a Spurs man and taking the kick. What do you do?
Boot it into the net and pick up your scoring bonus, maybe kiss the badge in the process to please the crowd who you've no affinity with as you're from Brazil, Korea or wherever.
And if you end up missing it, claim it was to spite the Gunners!
Another away clean sheet for Arsenal.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 10, 2024, 08:59:02 AMQuote from: ONeill on May 09, 2024, 10:58:00 PMSpurs have a penalty in the last minute to draw with City. You're a Spurs man and taking the kick. What do you do?
Boot it into the net and pick up your scoring bonus, maybe kiss the badge in the process to please the crowd who you've no affinity with as you're from Brazil, Korea or wherever.
Aye as if Richarlison or Son or whoever takes penalties for Spurs would give a feck if them scoring would mean Arsenal would win the league, hilarious that fans think that players care about rivalries between fans from different clubs, probably different if you're from the area or supported the club but if your Brazilian or wherever you're not going to care.
Spurs have had one penalty in 36 games so this scenario is borderline implausible
"Big club"
https://x.com/projectepl/status/1789732208518787239?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Fergie's tears?
Quote from: screenexile on May 12, 2024, 08:07:58 PM"Big club"
https://x.com/projectepl/status/1789732208518787239?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
What are they at?
We were seeing pictures of that roof torrent a few years ago.
Arsenal's record at Utd has been dreadful these last few years..
But hey ho, will mean nowt as Spurs are rubbish
Here's hoping they will continue to be at least until after Tuesday.
Quote from: J70 on May 12, 2024, 09:34:27 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 12, 2024, 08:07:58 PM"Big club"
https://x.com/projectepl/status/1789732208518787239?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
What are they at?
We were seeing pictures of that roof torrent a few years ago.
The Theatre of Floods.
Prefer theater of streams
The Theatre of wet dreams....
I'll get me coat.
But it reeks of owners who've bled the club dry and not one bean of their money will ever be spent on Manchester United.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 13, 2024, 08:44:00 AMThe Theatre of wet dreams....
I'll get me coat.
But it reeks of owners who've bled the club dry and not one bean of their money will ever be spent on Manchester United.
How can you say that, just the £2.1bn in player acquisitions since they bought the club
Quote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 09:18:25 AMQuote from: johnnycool on May 13, 2024, 08:44:00 AMThe Theatre of wet dreams....
I'll get me coat.
But it reeks of owners who've bled the club dry and not one bean of their money will ever be spent on Manchester United.
How can you say that, just the £2.1bn in player acquisitions since they bought the club
And not one bean of it from the Glazers.
That was all revenue generated by Man Utd PLC.
Nervy 3 points for Arsenal as was to be expected. Good to see City having to at least work to the final day to win the league. I know there's an air of inevitability about it but I'm half expecting a major twist in the saga yet. It's a long season, bodies are tired, anything could happen. Villa nearly burst City's bubble 2 years ago on the final day. No reason why Spurs or Hammers mightn't throw a spanner.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 13, 2024, 09:31:58 AMQuote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 09:18:25 AMQuote from: johnnycool on May 13, 2024, 08:44:00 AMThe Theatre of wet dreams....
I'll get me coat.
But it reeks of owners who've bled the club dry and not one bean of their money will ever be spent on Manchester United.
How can you say that, just the £2.1bn in player acquisitions since they bought the club
And not one bean of it from the Glazers.
That was all revenue generated by Man Utd PLC.
True, but as owners they could have used the cash reserves to pay themselves dividends so it is their money. I dont disagree that they have been shocking owners but it is a case of spending money badly rather than not spending it.
Its the risks of being a plc as United was, there are benefits in terms of access to cash to invest and grow but you are vulnerable to an unwanted owner coming in.
Quote from: TabClear on May 13, 2024, 09:54:39 AMQuote from: johnnycool on May 13, 2024, 09:31:58 AMQuote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 09:18:25 AMQuote from: johnnycool on May 13, 2024, 08:44:00 AMThe Theatre of wet dreams....
I'll get me coat.
But it reeks of owners who've bled the club dry and not one bean of their money will ever be spent on Manchester United.
How can you say that, just the £2.1bn in player acquisitions since they bought the club
And not one bean of it from the Glazers.
That was all revenue generated by Man Utd PLC.
True, but as owners they could have used the cash reserves to pay themselves dividends so it is their money. I dont disagree that they have been shocking owners but it is a case of spending money badly rather than not spending it.
Its the risks of being a plc as United was, there are benefits in terms of access to cash to invest and grow but you are vulnerable to an unwanted owner coming in.
That's the exact point they were paying themselves the dividends at the same time. So instead of redeveloping the stadium and training facilities alongside investing in the playing squad, they choose one.
The money has been invested badly in the playing squad but that comes from not having top quality football people making those calls, you had Ed Woodward with his finance background and no discernible footballing decision making structure.
But they dont care as long as the club keeps making money for them.
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I'll get me coat.
But it reeks of owners who've bled the club dry and not one bean of their money will ever be spent on Manchester United.
How can you say that, just the £2.1bn in player acquisitions since they bought the club
And not one bean of it from the Glazers.
That was all revenue generated by Man Utd PLC.
True, but as owners they could have used the cash reserves to pay themselves dividends so it is their money. I dont disagree that they have been shocking owners but it is a case of spending money badly rather than not spending it.
Its the risks of being a plc as United was, there are benefits in terms of access to cash to invest and grow but you are vulnerable to an unwanted owner coming in.
That's the exact point they were paying themselves the dividends at the same time. So instead of redeveloping the stadium and training facilities alongside investing in the playing squad, they choose one.
The money has been invested badly in the playing squad but that comes from not having top quality football people making those calls, you had Ed Woodward with his finance background and no discernible footballing decision making structure.
But they dont care as long as the club keeps making money for them.
Thankfully they have Sir Dave in place to fix all that going forward.
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I'll get me coat.
But it reeks of owners who've bled the club dry and not one bean of their money will ever be spent on Manchester United.
How can you say that, just the £2.1bn in player acquisitions since they bought the club
And not one bean of it from the Glazers.
That was all revenue generated by Man Utd PLC.
True, but as owners they could have used the cash reserves to pay themselves dividends so it is their money. I dont disagree that they have been shocking owners but it is a case of spending money badly rather than not spending it.
Its the risks of being a plc as United was, there are benefits in terms of access to cash to invest and grow but you are vulnerable to an unwanted owner coming in.
That's the exact point they were paying themselves the dividends at the same time. So instead of redeveloping the stadium and training facilities alongside investing in the playing squad, they choose one.
The money has been invested badly in the playing squad but that comes from not having top quality football people making those calls, you had Ed Woodward with his finance background and no discernible footballing decision making structure.
But they dont care as long as the club keeps making money for them.
Do you think anything has changed with Ratcliffe coming onboard?
I'm not sure how it has. Spending money hasn't been the problem, if anything they spent too much. So ok, spend less plus restructure your budgets to address more capital investment, which is even less again for squad expenditure. That may not go down well with fans if the reality on the field is less glamourous.
Dividends is a sore issue but Glazers still control 50% so have voting rights on dividends? So they'll still want them and Ratcliffe is an investor so he'll quite happily go along with any dividends to be got. They keep attaching the moniker of billionaire to him, as if he's going to be putting his own money in. I can't see why he will, if he only own 25%, that would be stupid. So any investment will be by way of leverage, same as the Glazers? So essentially being a billionaire is of little consequence.
So what else is he bringing? He's an employee, in control of operations. A lot of the gripes before this was not having football men in charge. Could you call him a football man really? Ok, he might get a good director of football in, or he might not. At least that's how I see it.
Ahhh the old ... not having top quality football people ... chestnut
One step removed from Neville's 'best in class' trope
So to address that they've acquired a 71yo billionaire minority shareholder supporter and Jason Wilcox
The football world is trembling at the prospect!
And if all else fails blame the Glazers, who to date have 5 PL titles and a European Cup under their tenure
Quote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 10:40:26 AMAhhh the old ... not having top quality football people ... chestnut
One step removed from Neville's 'best in class' trope
So to address that they've acquired a 71yo billionaire minority shareholder supporter and Jason Wilcox
The football world is trembling at the prospect!
And if all else fails blame the Glazers, who to date have 5 PL titles and a European Cup under their tenure
I don't know any other industry where you would have people making decisions on acquisitions who aren't experts in that given field. So sneer at the football people comment all you want, its a basic short hand for people making decisions about which they have experience and expertise in. But I'm guessing you know that already.
It isn't about one man either, it is about getting a structure in place that can make strategic footballing decisions that are not manager dependent, to prevent the club ending up in the position they currently are with a mish mash of players from 5 different managers.
In a proper structure which INEOS are attempting to put in place, this wouldn't be allowed to happen.
Quote from: NAG1 on May 13, 2024, 10:46:29 AMQuote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 10:40:26 AMAhhh the old ... not having top quality football people ... chestnut
One step removed from Neville's 'best in class' trope
So to address that they've acquired a 71yo billionaire minority shareholder supporter and Jason Wilcox
The football world is trembling at the prospect!
And if all else fails blame the Glazers, who to date have 5 PL titles and a European Cup under their tenure
I don't know any other industry where you would have people making decisions on acquisitions who aren't experts in that given field. So sneer at the football people comment all you want, its a basic short hand for people making decisions about which they have experience and expertise in. But I'm guessing you know that already.
It isn't about one man either, it is about getting a structure in place that can make strategic footballing decisions that are not manager dependent, to prevent the club ending up in the position they currently are with a mish mash of players from 5 different managers.
In a proper structure which INEOS are attempting to put in place, this wouldn't be allowed to happen.
You should of applied for the job by the sounds of it, they've just appointed a 71yo supporter after all, or would you be the technical expert, been tough up against Wilcox, apparently a dressing room jester in his time with not an ounce of sense, hope the due diligence is done on the latest raft of bluffers let through the door
Look on the bright side, a year or 2 at Wembley while the stadium is being redeveloped will make it easier for supporters to get to games
United should have looked to appoint Richard Hughes, a very average footballer in his day, to the job. Or maybe their playing days have nothing to do with their ability to do the job they were hired to do. . .
Quote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 11:09:24 AMQuote from: NAG1 on May 13, 2024, 10:46:29 AMQuote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 10:40:26 AMAhhh the old ... not having top quality football people ... chestnut
One step removed from Neville's 'best in class' trope
So to address that they've acquired a 71yo billionaire minority shareholder supporter and Jason Wilcox
The football world is trembling at the prospect!
And if all else fails blame the Glazers, who to date have 5 PL titles and a European Cup under their tenure
I don't know any other industry where you would have people making decisions on acquisitions who aren't experts in that given field. So sneer at the football people comment all you want, its a basic short hand for people making decisions about which they have experience and expertise in. But I'm guessing you know that already.
It isn't about one man either, it is about getting a structure in place that can make strategic footballing decisions that are not manager dependent, to prevent the club ending up in the position they currently are with a mish mash of players from 5 different managers.
In a proper structure which INEOS are attempting to put in place, this wouldn't be allowed to happen.
You should of applied for the job by the sounds of it, they've just appointed a 71yo supporter after all, or would you be the technical expert, been tough up against Wilcox, apparently a dressing room jester in his time with not an ounce of sense, hope the due diligence is done on the latest raft of bluffers let through the door
Look on the bright side, a year or 2 at Wembley while the stadium is being redeveloped will make it easier for supporters to get to games
From Ireland? Cheaper to fly to Liverpool and head up
Quote from: NAG1 on May 13, 2024, 09:57:51 AMQuote from: TabClear on May 13, 2024, 09:54:39 AMQuote from: johnnycool on May 13, 2024, 09:31:58 AMQuote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 09:18:25 AMQuote from: johnnycool on May 13, 2024, 08:44:00 AMThe Theatre of wet dreams....
I'll get me coat.
But it reeks of owners who've bled the club dry and not one bean of their money will ever be spent on Manchester United.
How can you say that, just the £2.1bn in player acquisitions since they bought the club
And not one bean of it from the Glazers.
That was all revenue generated by Man Utd PLC.
True, but as owners they could have used the cash reserves to pay themselves dividends so it is their money. I dont disagree that they have been shocking owners but it is a case of spending money badly rather than not spending it.
Its the risks of being a plc as United was, there are benefits in terms of access to cash to invest and grow but you are vulnerable to an unwanted owner coming in.
That's the exact point they were paying themselves the dividends at the same time. So instead of redeveloping the stadium and training facilities alongside investing in the playing squad, they choose one.
The money has been invested badly in the playing squad but that comes from not having top quality football people making those calls, you had Ed Woodward with his finance background and no discernible footballing decision making structure.
But they dont care as long as the club keeps making money for them.
Yes, but they could have paid even higher dividends. For example as long as it did not breach company law they could have taken the money they spent on Harry Maguire and pay £80m more to themselves. Net cash out the door the same but the Glazers are £80m (less tax) better off. I will not get into the debate as to whether the team was better off.......
Obviously this only works to a point before they start to erode the capital value of the asset but my point is they spent more on players than any other club when they could have taken out more dividends but they didnt. The fact they were already making a fortune from dividends just shows that they did a really good deal at the time. When they bought 100% of the shares they own every asset associated with the club and can do what they want with it subject to company law and any specific regulations around football teams.
Quote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 10:40:26 AMAhhh the old ... not having top quality football people ... chestnut
One step removed from Neville's 'best in class' trope
So to address that they've acquired a 71yo billionaire minority shareholder supporter and Jason Wilcox
The football world is trembling at the prospect!
And if all else fails blame the Glazers, who to date have 5 PL titles and a European Cup under their tenure
Any current successful team that doesn't have top quality football people behind the scenes? The 5 PL titles and a European Cup was won with Ferguson still there and the structure of the club and how it was ran went with his retirement. The true worth of the Glazers has been seen since.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 13, 2024, 12:53:51 PMQuote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 10:40:26 AMAhhh the old ... not having top quality football people ... chestnut
One step removed from Neville's 'best in class' trope
So to address that they've acquired a 71yo billionaire minority shareholder supporter and Jason Wilcox
The football world is trembling at the prospect!
And if all else fails blame the Glazers, who to date have 5 PL titles and a European Cup under their tenure
Any current successful team that doesn't have top quality football people behind the scenes? The 5 PL titles and a European Cup was won with Ferguson still there and the structure of the club and how it was ran went with his retirement. The true worth of the Glazers has been seen since.
The biggest compliment you can pay Ferguson is how on under god he won the last of those PL titles with that team.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 13, 2024, 12:53:51 PMQuote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 10:40:26 AMAhhh the old ... not having top quality football people ... chestnut
One step removed from Neville's 'best in class' trope
So to address that they've acquired a 71yo billionaire minority shareholder supporter and Jason Wilcox
The football world is trembling at the prospect!
And if all else fails blame the Glazers, who to date have 5 PL titles and a European Cup under their tenure
Any current successful team that doesn't have top quality football people behind the scenes? The 5 PL titles and a European Cup was won with Ferguson still there and the structure of the club and how it was ran went with his retirement. The true worth of the Glazers has been seen since.
Is AF still not involved behind the scenes though. Constantly on the screen anytime Utd play. They made some big hullabaloo about a new role he was employed in a few years ago too if I remember. When Ronaldo returned, it was his doing according to some and the man himself. Big big say in managerial appointments we are told. So some of the worst decisions these Glazers have made and dropped the club in the shite, were they not just listening to great football men?
Quote from: Look-Up! on May 13, 2024, 01:11:34 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 13, 2024, 12:53:51 PMQuote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 10:40:26 AMAhhh the old ... not having top quality football people ... chestnut
One step removed from Neville's 'best in class' trope
So to address that they've acquired a 71yo billionaire minority shareholder supporter and Jason Wilcox
The football world is trembling at the prospect!
And if all else fails blame the Glazers, who to date have 5 PL titles and a European Cup under their tenure
Any current successful team that doesn't have top quality football people behind the scenes? The 5 PL titles and a European Cup was won with Ferguson still there and the structure of the club and how it was ran went with his retirement. The true worth of the Glazers has been seen since.
Is AF still not involved behind the scenes though. Constantly on the screen anytime Utd play. They made some big hullabaloo about a new role he was employed in a few years ago too if I remember. When Ronaldo returned, it was his doing according to some and the man himself. Big big say in managerial appointments we are told. So some of the worst decisions these Glazers have made and dropped the club in the shite, were they not just listening to great football men?
If Ferguson hadn't stuck his nose in horsey business Utd might have had better outcomes
Quote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 01:13:07 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on May 13, 2024, 01:11:34 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 13, 2024, 12:53:51 PMQuote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 10:40:26 AMAhhh the old ... not having top quality football people ... chestnut
One step removed from Neville's 'best in class' trope
So to address that they've acquired a 71yo billionaire minority shareholder supporter and Jason Wilcox
The football world is trembling at the prospect!
And if all else fails blame the Glazers, who to date have 5 PL titles and a European Cup under their tenure
Any current successful team that doesn't have top quality football people behind the scenes? The 5 PL titles and a European Cup was won with Ferguson still there and the structure of the club and how it was ran went with his retirement. The true worth of the Glazers has been seen since.
Is AF still not involved behind the scenes though. Constantly on the screen anytime Utd play. They made some big hullabaloo about a new role he was employed in a few years ago too if I remember. When Ronaldo returned, it was his doing according to some and the man himself. Big big say in managerial appointments we are told. So some of the worst decisions these Glazers have made and dropped the club in the shite, were they not just listening to great football men?
If Ferguson hadn't stuck his nose in horsey business Utd might have had better outcomes
You can sing that.
The best teams on the field also happen to be the best ran off the field.
On another note it's gone unnoticed this weekend that with two games to play Liverpool can't finish in the top two this season and from this position when the title was theirs to lose.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2024, 01:44:18 PMThe best teams on the field also happen to be the best ran off the field.
On another note it's gone unnoticed this weekend that with two games to play Liverpool can't finish in the top two this season and from this position when the title was theirs to lose.
(https://i.ibb.co/dkMyvQL/bandicam-2024-05-13-13-21-00-980.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Should probably do away with the footballers then and just make the ancillary staff play the games if the league table is based on off-field proficiency, would save an absolute bundle of cash too in the process.
Kath on reception is currently the 8th best receptionist in the league, by 6pm on Sunday she could be 6th best, its a fickle sport but I wish her well in her reception-based endeavors for the week ahead knowing that her contribution far outweighs anything Rashford has done this season
Quote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 01:51:08 PMKath on reception is currently the 8th best receptionist in the league, by 6pm on Sunday she could be 6th best, its a fickle sport but I wish her well in her reception-based endeavors for the week ahead knowing that her contribution far outweighs anything Rashford has done this season
Kath has been working from home too much and taking the complete piss. Now Jim has her back in the office she should be back in the Top 4 next season.
Quote from: square_ball on May 13, 2024, 01:57:58 PMQuote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 01:51:08 PMKath on reception is currently the 8th best receptionist in the league, by 6pm on Sunday she could be 6th best, its a fickle sport but I wish her well in her reception-based endeavors for the week ahead knowing that her contribution far outweighs anything Rashford has done this season
Kath has been working from home too much and taking the complete piss. Now Jim has her back in the office she should be back in the Top 4 next season.
Well certainly the first team will be inspired by Kath on reception and the performances will increase accordingly.
Quote from: square_ball on May 13, 2024, 01:57:58 PMQuote from: tiempo on May 13, 2024, 01:51:08 PMKath on reception is currently the 8th best receptionist in the league, by 6pm on Sunday she could be 6th best, its a fickle sport but I wish her well in her reception-based endeavors for the week ahead knowing that her contribution far outweighs anything Rashford has done this season
Kath has been working from home too much and taking the complete piss. Now Jim has her back in the office she should be back in the Top 4 next season.
She can have a good hard think about things on the long bus ride to Wembley. Down 20 quid and no one beside her to distract her will focus the mind.
In between phone calls today, she'll be up the ladder trying to patch up that roof.
Quote from: square_ball on May 13, 2024, 02:23:24 PMIn between phone calls today, she'll be up the ladder trying to patch up that roof.
Can she tile? I hear Betsy from the canteen tiled over her own kitchen worktop.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2024, 01:44:18 PMThe best teams on the field also happen to be the best ran off the field.
On another note it's gone unnoticed this weekend that with two games to play Liverpool can't finish in the top two this season and from this position when the title was theirs to lose.
(https://i.ibb.co/dkMyvQL/bandicam-2024-05-13-13-21-00-980.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
T,is nearly as bad as being 4 points up with a quarter of a game to go and somehow throwing it away. How Armagh managed to orgestrate that level of a collapse is remarkable. Surely one of the biggest bottle jobs in Ulster history.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 13, 2024, 02:35:00 PMT,is nearly as bad as being 4 points up with a quarter of a game to go and somehow throwing it away. How Armagh managed to orgestrate that level of a collapse is remarkable. Surely one of the biggest bottle jobs in Ulster history.
No where near as bad. Ulster title not won with a penalty shootout and up against a favourite Donegal side with their messiah back leading them. Liverpool on the otherhand dropped points against number of sides they should be beating comfortably over the last few weeks.
When Manchester City pick up the league title next weekend Klopp and his players will know it should have been them instead.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2024, 02:58:38 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 13, 2024, 02:35:00 PMT,is nearly as bad as being 4 points up with a quarter of a game to go and somehow throwing it away. How Armagh managed to orgestrate that level of a collapse is remarkable. Surely one of the biggest bottle jobs in Ulster history.
No where near as bad. Ulster title not won with a penalty shootout and up against a favourite Donegal side with their messiah back leading them. Liverpool on the otherhand dropped points against number of sides they should be beating comfortably over the last few weeks.
When Manchester City pick up the league title next weekend Klopp and his players will know it should have been them instead.
I know your sore, but two years running Armagh have managed to bottle it. Being gifted a draw for 2 years and still not getting over the line. They will look back and realise how bad it was. I feel for you.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 13, 2024, 02:35:00 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2024, 01:44:18 PMThe best teams on the field also happen to be the best ran off the field.
On another note it's gone unnoticed this weekend that with two games to play Liverpool can't finish in the top two this season and from this position when the title was theirs to lose.
(https://i.ibb.co/dkMyvQL/bandicam-2024-05-13-13-21-00-980.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
T,is nearly as bad as being 4 points up with a quarter of a game to go and somehow throwing it away. How Armagh managed to orgestrate that level of a collapse is remarkable. Surely one of the biggest bottle jobs in Ulster history.
;D
@trueblue1234 Best to save your pity for Jurgen Klopp who was on course for a perfect send off which would have been the first league title for Liverpool to pick up in front of a full Anfield for 34 years, a 3rd place finish is no consolation to that
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2024, 04:53:24 PM@trueblue1234 Best to save your pity for Jurgen Klopp who was on course for a perfect send off which would have been the first league title for Liverpool to pick up in front of a full Anfield for 34 years, a 3rd place finish is no consolation to that
😂
After all that hard work over the last 2/3 months and it backfires on you in spectacular fashion.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 13, 2024, 05:01:19 PM😂
After all that hard work over the last 2/3 months and it backfires on you in spectacular fashion.
No hard work to call things are they are and I had no involvement in Liverpool letting another Premier League title slip through their fingers.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2024, 05:56:59 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 13, 2024, 05:01:19 PM😂
After all that hard work over the last 2/3 months and it backfires on you in spectacular fashion.
No hard work to call things are they are and I had no involvement in Liverpool letting another Premier League title slip through their fingers.
Trust Armagh to screw up your moment of glory.
Never knew Obvious was from Armagh, all makes sense now. ;D
Jesus lads can you's not leave the Armagh slagging to the gaa threads, come to this part of the forum for a break from it lol
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2024, 06:37:38 PMJesus lads can you's not leave the Armagh slagging to the gaa threads, come to this part of the forum for a break from it lol
Slagging from a lad from Laois is humorous though.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2024, 06:42:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2024, 06:37:38 PMJesus lads can you's not leave the Armagh slagging to the gaa threads, come to this part of the forum for a break from it lol
Slagging from a lad from Laois is humorous though.
Laois ;D You're badly rattled, trueblue has made a fool of you on this ;D
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2024, 06:37:38 PMJesus lads can you's not leave the Armagh slagging to the gaa threads, come to this part of the forum for a break from it lol
It was Armaghs to lose though, it was in their hands even....😉
Quote from: jcpen on May 13, 2024, 06:54:10 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2024, 06:37:38 PMJesus lads can you's not leave the Armagh slagging to the gaa threads, come to this part of the forum for a break from it lol
It was Armaghs to lose though, it was in their hands even....😉
Don't f**king talk lol!
Quote from: jcpen on May 13, 2024, 06:49:59 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2024, 06:42:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2024, 06:37:38 PMJesus lads can you's not leave the Armagh slagging to the gaa threads, come to this part of the forum for a break from it lol
Slagging from a lad from Laois is humorous though.
Laois ;D You're badly rattled, trueblue has made a fool of you on this ;D
says the rattled fool from Laois ;D
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2024, 07:00:12 PMQuote from: jcpen on May 13, 2024, 06:49:59 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2024, 06:42:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2024, 06:37:38 PMJesus lads can you's not leave the Armagh slagging to the gaa threads, come to this part of the forum for a break from it lol
Slagging from a lad from Laois is humorous though.
Laois ;D You're badly rattled, trueblue has made a fool of you on this ;D
says the rattled fool from Laois ;D
It's funny how you have to make up stuff, shows how rattled you actually are...
;D
Quote from: jcpen on May 13, 2024, 07:06:35 PMIt's funny how you have to make up stuff, shows how rattled you actually are...
;D
Nothing I said on this thread today was made up. As Liverpool supporter you need to accept that Klopp's men allowed this league title slip through their fingers than letting it rattle you.
Conor Bradley back on the Liverpool bench tonight great to see for the young lad.
With Liverpool having already achieved their season target of a Top 4 finish and the bonus of a Cup win you'd expect Villa who are hoping to secure Champions League Football to be slight favourites.
Not a great start for Villa though ;D
But of a mad game that. Villa be happy with the point, Liverpool will need to stop conceding so much next season, switched off after going 3-1 up.
Happy with the point from the position they ended up in. Awful start, and not for the 1st time this year. Some very close offside calls for both teams. I thought it was gone considering the lack of options on the villa bench at the minute but on comes Duran.
It's a pity Diaby is so out of form cos he had the winning of that match.
Hoping for a city win tomorrow night.
Was listening to that game (while ironing :o) finished with a about 6/7 minutes left and it was all Liverpool
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2024, 10:41:24 PMWas listening to that game (while ironing :o) finished with a about 6/7 minutes left and it was all Liverpool
It was but Villa were always creating chances, although I don't care what anyone says that last Villa goal was a fluke, there's no way he meant to "knee" the ball in from there!
Quote from: johnnycool on May 14, 2024, 11:54:11 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2024, 10:41:24 PMWas listening to that game (while ironing :o) finished with a about 6/7 minutes left and it was all Liverpool
It was but Villa were always creating chances, although I don't care what anyone says that last Villa goal was a fluke, there's no way he meant to "knee" the ball in from there!
Ah defo a fluke. Liverpool do give you chances though dont they. Carlos had the miss of the season from a yard out. the 2 marginal off sides and then Diaby had a good chance to win it (but he was never gonnna score that cos it really wasnt his night).
Half time Tottenham 0 Man City 0. If it stays a draw Arsenal could win the league title by beating Everton at home on Sunday.
City will work that system out soon.
Shows over folks.
Man City 1-0. That the league wrapped up. Tottenham don't look like scoring.
I thought players were supposed to be booked for gesturing for opponents to be booked? Man City players getting away with all season.
4th spot sealed for Aston Villa now.
Fine margins, big opportunity for Song not taken.
Song miss has proved to be much worse now. 2-0 via a penalty.
Still cheats.
Hate seeing this kind of dominance. Dublin, limerick and Man City :o
Trailer will be back tonight on Gooners thread wait and see
Hate City. Billion pound or so worth of subs. Cheats.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 14, 2024, 10:03:22 PMHate City. Billion pound or so worth of subs. Cheats.
And yet 3 teams have spent more since Guardiola's been at the club on transfers.
And spurs not far off them in 4th
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 14, 2024, 09:56:15 PMHate seeing this kind of dominance. Dublin, limerick and Man City :o
It'll end when Pep goes, you can all stop crying then
The greatest manager ever
Quote from: maldini on May 14, 2024, 10:05:48 PMQuote from: thewobbler on May 14, 2024, 10:03:22 PMHate City. Billion pound or so worth of subs. Cheats.
And yet 3 teams have spent more since Guardiola's been at the club on transfers.
And spurs not far off them in 4th
Within the rules?
I presume one of them is Chelsea, so almost certainly no.
Quote from: gallsman on May 14, 2024, 10:59:25 PMI presume one of them is Chelsea, so almost certainly no.
And United also got done for FFP, so that's another no
Absolutely delighted to have secured 4th place and CL football. From sitting near relegation when Emery took over last season to this moment is such a huge achievement. 5 years since the owners took charge of the club in the championship.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 14, 2024, 11:16:53 PMAbsolutely delighted to have secured 4th place and CL football. From sitting near relegation when Emery took over last season to this moment is such a huge achievement. 5 years since the owners took charge of the club in the championship.
Are yis pretty close to FFP or whatever you call it now? Who goes so you can bring in players? Watkins, Luis?
I don't care if City win it's not that big a deal and I won't have to listen too much.
The way Arsenal fans I know have been slabbering all year I'm more than happy for them to come up short.
Quote from: screenexile on May 15, 2024, 12:05:06 AMI don't care if City win it's not that big a deal and I won't have to listen too much.
The way Arsenal fans I know have been slabbering all year I'm more than happy for them to come up short.
Fuggawayaff :-\
Quote from: gawa316 on May 15, 2024, 12:01:15 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 14, 2024, 11:16:53 PMAbsolutely delighted to have secured 4th place and CL football. From sitting near relegation when Emery took over last season to this moment is such a huge achievement. 5 years since the owners took charge of the club in the championship.
Are yis pretty close to FFP or whatever you call it now? Who goes so you can bring in players? Watkins, Luis?
It's hard to know, but it's probable. The accounts didn't look good again this year and I would say the 100m pure profit on Grealish has kept them right. I suspect there might be one big sale this summer to finance some incomings, possibly Luiz but I hope not.
European money, new sponsor and new kit deal with Adidas will also help.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 15, 2024, 07:40:40 AMQuote from: gawa316 on May 15, 2024, 12:01:15 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 14, 2024, 11:16:53 PMAbsolutely delighted to have secured 4th place and CL football. From sitting near relegation when Emery took over last season to this moment is such a huge achievement. 5 years since the owners took charge of the club in the championship.
Are yis pretty close to FFP or whatever you call it now? Who goes so you can bring in players? Watkins, Luis?
It's hard to know, but it's probable. The accounts didn't look good again this year and I would say the 100m pure profit on Grealish has kept them right. I suspect there might be one big sale this summer to finance some incomings, possibly Luiz but I hope not.
European money, new sponsor and new kit deal with Adidas will also help.
The rules are changing this summer I believe as much as forest were punished it was obvious that their new owner could wipe that debt out in one go if he could, but currently FFP prevents him from doing so ALLEGEDLY.
Everton are leveraged to the balls and the chat is that they may go into administration in the next week as that'll mean the 10 point deduction will be taken from this season and not next.
The likes of Chelsea and Utd are also leveraged to the balls in debt, but currently that's OK, whereas Newcastle have no debt and money to burn but can't spend it, and ultimately this is taking money out of the game.
At a certain level that doesn't make sense.
Thought the Spurs fans were pathetically funny last night. Cheering on a Man City victory to stop Arsenal winning the league even though it also meant that they would fail to qualify for the CL. If ever there was a more suitable time for the phrase turkey's voting for Christmas
It was ridiculous wasnt it. I see big Ange is ragin. He got his eyes opened.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 15, 2024, 11:55:55 AMThought the Spurs fans were pathetically funny last night. Cheering on a Man City victory to stop Arsenal winning the league even though it also meant that they would fail to qualify for the CL. If ever there was a more suitable time for the phrase turkey's voting for Christmas
Remember Man United fans being the same a few times when playing Man City and wanting to lose so it would mean Liverpool wouldn't win the league.
Players have a duty to their club and employers, they get paid to be professional and last night Spurs were very unlucky, had Son scored that one on one, I'd say the game could have been a draw.
Teams lose the league over the season, Arsenal and other teams that have been pipped at the post lost their battle throughout the year, not end of season games
Fans are fans though and they will take the positives from defeats. Any club that has any rivalry fall into that.
I suppose the neutrals loved this season with the last day finishes coming up ;D
City's PL form since the turn of the year:
P18 W15 D3 L0
Regular as clockwork.
Draws with Liverpool and Arsenal. Not sure on the other.
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2024, 02:41:18 PMCity's PL form since the turn of the year:
P18 W15 D3 L0
Regular as clockwork.
Draws with Liverpool and Arsenal. Not sure on the other.
1-1 with Chelsea at home.
Arsenal will likely look back on that draw against City now, a match they played defensive in and never really pushed for the win.
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2024, 02:41:18 PMCity's PL form since the turn of the year:
P18 W15 D3 L0
Regular as clockwork.
Draws with Liverpool and Arsenal. Not sure on the other.
Arsenal have played 17, won 15, drawn 1, Lost 1...city would sicken your hole
Arsenal loss to Fulham early in the season, fannying around with Partey at right back and Gabriel dropped has come back to bite, the Villa result latterly obviously cost them but Villa were fantastic in the second half and fully deserved the win, Arsenal gassed that second half in the game between the Bayern tie, very fine margins in PL and CL, staying at that level and finding another 1-2% will be difficult, hinges on recruitment as ever
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 17, 2024, 03:22:03 PMQuote from: J70 on May 17, 2024, 02:41:18 PMCity's PL form since the turn of the year:
P18 W15 D3 L0
Regular as clockwork.
Draws with Liverpool and Arsenal. Not sure on the other.
1-1 with Chelsea at home.
Arsenal will likely look back on that draw against City now, a match they played defensive in and never really pushed for the win.
Dont agree with that any team will take a point at City before game starts bad losses to Fulham and Villa are what has put them in this position. May not be over though, the Aguerooo moment City needed to win against a rank bad QPR team and tried their best to make a meal of it. West Ham probably owe it to Moyes to put in a performance last day and they do have some quality at top end of pitch.
Quote from: statto on May 17, 2024, 03:50:30 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 17, 2024, 03:22:03 PMQuote from: J70 on May 17, 2024, 02:41:18 PMCity's PL form since the turn of the year:
P18 W15 D3 L0
Regular as clockwork.
Draws with Liverpool and Arsenal. Not sure on the other.
1-1 with Chelsea at home.
Arsenal will likely look back on that draw against City now, a match they played defensive in and never really pushed for the win.
Dont agree with that any team will take a point at City before game starts bad losses to Fulham and Villa are what has put them in this position. May not be over though, the Aguerooo moment City needed to win against a rank bad QPR team and tried their best to make a meal of it. West Ham probably owe it to Moyes to put in a performance last day and they do have some quality at top end of pitch.
They also made hard work of it 2 years ago when they were 2-0 down against Aston Villa.
Quote from: statto on May 17, 2024, 03:50:30 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 17, 2024, 03:22:03 PMQuote from: J70 on May 17, 2024, 02:41:18 PMCity's PL form since the turn of the year:
P18 W15 D3 L0
Regular as clockwork.
Draws with Liverpool and Arsenal. Not sure on the other.
1-1 with Chelsea at home.
Arsenal will likely look back on that draw against City now, a match they played defensive in and never really pushed for the win.
Dont agree with that any team will take a point at City before game starts bad losses to Fulham and Villa are what has put them in this position. May not be over though, the Aguerooo moment City needed to win against a rank bad QPR team and tried their best to make a meal of it. West Ham probably owe it to Moyes to put in a performance last day and they do have some quality at top end of pitch.
Maybe so but how the table would had looked going into the final day had Arsenal beaten instead of drawn with City.
Arsenal 88
City 87
It's 2015 since West Ham avoided defeat away to City and have to go back to 2012 since a Moyes managed team got a result in that venue which was 1-1 with Everton. I doubt those records will change this Sunday.
Arsenal should have gone for the win when they played City. Nobody else is good enough to take points off them. Going for a draw was naive by Arteta.
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 17, 2024, 06:29:19 PMArsenal should have gone for the win when they played City. Nobody else is good enough to take points off them. Going for a draw was naive by Arteta.
Gone for the win when City were battering us, have a day off. Lazy comment that there
City 1 up after 2 mins, not going to be much excitement on the last day it seems.
Will Pep stay around for the 10 in a row?
Quote from: Gael85 on May 19, 2024, 04:47:42 PMWill Pep stay around for the 10 in a row?
Would you leave if you had a bottomless pit of Money to spend and the Premier League won't touch you because it'll damage their product. Look what happened to the Italian League after action was taken against cheating teams.
Man City is a real Rags to Riches Story! ;D
So the Klopp era ends with a win. As a neutral I've admired him greatly. Liverpool are a completely different club now compared to the one he took over.
What a job he has done for them.
Other clubs have plenty of money but got it over many years, others get it quicker.
City spent less than some clubs and won the league.
Quote from: jcpen on May 19, 2024, 06:05:42 PMSo the Klopp era ends with a win. As a neutral I've admired him greatly. Liverpool are a completely different club now compared to the one he took over.
What a job he has done for them.
An unbelievable manager. Will leave a huge void at the club. I wonder would he return as manager in a few years?
Quote from: Gael85 on May 19, 2024, 06:23:46 PMQuote from: jcpen on May 19, 2024, 06:05:42 PMSo the Klopp era ends with a win. As a neutral I've admired him greatly. Liverpool are a completely different club now compared to the one he took over.
What a job he has done for them.
An unbelievable manager. Will leave a huge void at the club. I wonder would he return as manager in a few years?
Probably return if Pep leaves I feel
Pep has a new Manager in Arteta to burn off every season. And eventually burn out!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 06:52:32 PMPep has a new Manager in Arteta to burn off every season. And eventually burn out!
Arsen stayed the pace... these young managers struggle nowadays
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 19, 2024, 07:04:41 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 06:52:32 PMPep has a new Manager in Arteta to burn off every season. And eventually burn out!
Arsen stayed the pace... these young managers struggle nowadays
Arséne won his first title with 78 points. He would have finished 4th in this years League.
Could quite easily see Pep leaving as well.
Fergie won a league with 75 points in 1996–97. Newcastle were 2nd with 68. ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 07:11:11 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 19, 2024, 07:04:41 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 06:52:32 PMPep has a new Manager in Arteta to burn off every season. And eventually burn out!
Arsen stayed the pace... these young managers struggle nowadays
Arséne won his first title with 78 points. He would have finished 4th in this years League.
You win the league you win the league.. the points total league is that separate?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 19, 2024, 07:38:55 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 07:11:11 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 19, 2024, 07:04:41 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 06:52:32 PMPep has a new Manager in Arteta to burn off every season. And eventually burn out!
Arsen stayed the pace... these young managers struggle nowadays
Arséne won his first title with 78 points. He would have finished 4th in this years League.
You win the league you win the league.. the points total league is that separate?
Nah, you win the League you win the League. But you have to admit it has turned into zero room for error.
Fair dues to Ciry they have opened the purse strings and upped the anti. It's up to the rest to catch up or be left behind, even if it is by 2 points. ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 07:19:06 PMFergie won a league with 75 points in 1996–97. Newcastle were 2nd with 68. ;D
Ole Gunnar Solskjær was their top scorer on 18.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 07:19:06 PMFergie won a league with 75 points in 1996–97. Newcastle were 2nd with 68. ;D
Have the top teams got better or have the lower teams got worse?
Did Man United make it into any of the European places?
Do they get the Europa League because they are in FA Cup Final?
Quote from: jcpen on May 19, 2024, 08:03:26 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 07:19:06 PMFergie won a league with 75 points in 1996–97. Newcastle were 2nd with 68. ;D
Have the top teams got better or have the lower teams got worse?
It's hard to know. Probably have. Arsenal and Liverpool also finished on 68 (in '96/97)
Quote from: jcpen on May 19, 2024, 08:04:29 PMDid Man United make it into any of the European places?
Do they get the Europa League because they are in FA Cup Final?
Think they're out unless they win the FA Cup.
Who got Liverpool's League Cup European place?
Who get the Conference League Place?
Quote from: jcpen on May 19, 2024, 08:04:29 PMDid Man United make it into any of the European places?
Do they get the Europa League because they are in FA Cup Final?
Nope and hopefully they haven't the distraction of Europe either as they won't be able to use Thursday night football as an excuse that some clubs did this year..
Gotta win it so again, no European football
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 08:14:09 PMQuote from: jcpen on May 19, 2024, 08:04:29 PMDid Man United make it into any of the European places?
Do they get the Europa League because they are in FA Cup Final?
Think they're out unless they win the FA Cup.
Who got Liverpool's League Cup European place?
Who get the Conference League Place?
I'd imagine if a team outside the top 7 won the league cup they would take the conference league place. ATM Newcastle are in Conference league. If United win the FA cup they take chelseas Europa league spot, chelsea drop into conference league and newcastle don't get any European place
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 19, 2024, 08:16:14 PMQuote from: jcpen on May 19, 2024, 08:04:29 PMDid Man United make it into any of the European places?
Do they get the Europa League because they are in FA Cup Final?
Nope and hopefully they haven't the distraction of Europe either as they won't be able to use Thursday night football as an excuse that some clubs did this year..
Gotta win it so again, no European football
United would be better off out of Europe . Better to bring in a new manager and a number of new players and start the rebuilding.
If that means bringing in "lesser" players because of the lack of European football , then so be it. United have enough big time Charlie signings on mental wages as it is.
Hopefully United can upset the odds and pull off the shock of the year vs City. Squad is too thin for Europa next year though.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 07:11:11 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 19, 2024, 07:04:41 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 06:52:32 PMPep has a new Manager in Arteta to burn off every season. And eventually burn out!
Arsen stayed the pace... these young managers struggle nowadays
Arséne won his first title with 78 points. He would have finished 4th in this years League.
We see it with most sports even in GAA now with group formats or leagues. The less points gained to top the table the more competitive that competition has been. Arsenal much improved from the side Arteta managed in his first few seasons but the current Arsenal team in talent and overall quality wouldn't be as good as that Arsenal team in 1997/98 with players such as Seaman,Dixon,Adams,Vieria,Bergkamp.
Quote from: jcpen on May 19, 2024, 08:03:26 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 07:19:06 PMFergie won a league with 75 points in 1996–97. Newcastle were 2nd with 68. ;D
Have the top teams got better or have the lower teams got worse?
Yes, they have.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 19, 2024, 09:29:56 PMQuote from: jcpen on May 19, 2024, 08:03:26 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 07:19:06 PMFergie won a league with 75 points in 1996–97. Newcastle were 2nd with 68. ;D
Have the top teams got better or have the lower teams got worse?
Yes, they have.
Also don't need near 40 points to be safe anymore which shows the quality at bottom is nowhere near same.
This year at the bottom was as bad as you will see. Sheffield United were awful and Burnley weren't very good either. Luton tbf to them put up a good fight.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2024, 07:30:26 PMDon't worry, the much talked about City "16 wins in a row streak" is right around the corner ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 31, 2024, 06:54:16 PMThat's our Erling! Scores 5 against Luton. #beststrikerintheworld.
Not to fear though, City will go on a 15 game winning streak (tm) any. day. now.
Just the 9 game winning streak required this season.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 20, 2024, 08:43:03 AMThis year at the bottom was as bad as you will see. Sheffield United were awful and Burnley weren't very good either. Luton tbf to them put up a good fight.
Still been a few years since 40 was the minimum.
Was easy enough for City in the end, it's bizarre how some thought it was bizarre that they were favorites ;D
I saw a snap of the run to the finish line from Arsenal and it was pretty impressive too. The loss to Villa at home was a killer blow, while the city juggernaut rolled on.
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 20, 2024, 09:00:15 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on May 20, 2024, 08:43:03 AMThis year at the bottom was as bad as you will see. Sheffield United were awful and Burnley weren't very good either. Luton tbf to them put up a good fight.
Still been a few years since 40 was the minimum.
Been half a dozen years or so I'd say. Pretty much since City started being so dominant.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 20, 2024, 09:23:12 AMI saw a snap of the run to the finish line from Arsenal and it was pretty impressive too. The loss to Villa at home was a killer blow, while the city juggernaut rolled on.
How their second goal yesterday still stood considering there was a blatant handball in the immediate build up to it, is staggering from the referee in particular who was asked to go look at it by VAR, but his balls disappeared up inside him and chose to ignore what was right in front of his eyes.
Those type of rules only apply to the smaller clubs.
Quote from: jcpen on May 20, 2024, 09:15:22 AMWas easy enough for City in the end, it's bizarre how some thought it was bizarre that they were favorites ;D
Its great for the neutrals though....
Rags to riches, overcoming the big teams of British football who have used their money in the past to get the best players and dominate the leagues over many years
Quote from: johnnycool on May 20, 2024, 09:39:17 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 20, 2024, 09:23:12 AMI saw a snap of the run to the finish line from Arsenal and it was pretty impressive too. The loss to Villa at home was a killer blow, while the city juggernaut rolled on.
How their second goal yesterday still stood considering there was a blatant handball in the immediate build up to it, is staggering from the referee in particular who was asked to go look at it by VAR, but his balls disappeared up inside him and chose to ignore what was right in front of his eyes.
Those type of rules only apply to the smaller clubs.
I had the match on the radio while I painted the fence :(
The commentary were absolutely raging that it even went to a pitch side check as they said that the "goal scorer didnt handle it, and as it was accidental he didnt seek to gain advantage"... If this is the case then I am totally lost as to the rules of the game now.
I truly despise how football analysts become cheerleaders for what they want to happen, rather than call it as it is.
A handball that gains a man an advantage has to be accepted a foul, regardless of intent or hand position. If not, they should just abolish the rule completely.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 20, 2024, 10:08:42 AMI truly despise how football analysts become cheerleaders for what they want to happen, rather than call it as it is.
A handball that gains a man an advantage has to be accepted a foul, regardless of intent or hand position. If not, they should just abolish the rule completely.
The game commentary team were expecting the goal to be ruled out based on precedent and the fact it had obviously touched his hand, but no, ref looked at the monitor and knew disallowing it would have meant Arsenal had no chance of winning the PL..
Other goals throughout the season have been ruled out for similar.
Wonder how many of them titles city lose in the boardroom?
Quote from: johnnycool on May 20, 2024, 10:25:21 AMQuote from: thewobbler on May 20, 2024, 10:08:42 AMI truly despise how football analysts become cheerleaders for what they want to happen, rather than call it as it is.
A handball that gains a man an advantage has to be accepted a foul, regardless of intent or hand position. If not, they should just abolish the rule completely.
The game commentary team were expecting the goal to be ruled out based on precedent and the fact it had obviously touched his hand, but no, ref looked at the monitor and knew disallowing it would have meant Arsenal had no chance of winning the PL..
Other goals throughout the season have been ruled out for similar.
It hit the sleeve line of the jersey which is why it stood.. Line and above dine, below it is handball. Tbh the handball rules chnages that often it is hard to keep up with what is and isn't these days
Quote from: square_ball on May 20, 2024, 08:48:53 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2024, 07:30:26 PMDon't worry, the much talked about City "16 wins in a row streak" is right around the corner ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 31, 2024, 06:54:16 PMThat's our Erling! Scores 5 against Luton. #beststrikerintheworld.
Not to fear though, City will go on a 15 game winning streak (tm) any. day. now.
Just the 9 game winning streak required this season.
16 wins, 3 draws, 0 losses in second half of the season.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 20, 2024, 10:59:19 AMWonder how many of them titles city lose in the boardroom?
Is this ever gonna be concluded?
Quote from: square_ball on May 20, 2024, 08:48:53 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2024, 07:30:26 PMDon't worry, the much talked about City "16 wins in a row streak" is right around the corner ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 31, 2024, 06:54:16 PMThat's our Erling! Scores 5 against Luton. #beststrikerintheworld.
Not to fear though, City will go on a 15 game winning streak (tm) any. day. now.
Just the 9 game winning streak required this season.
Not 15 or 16 or anywhere near it then? Good stuff.
Must be a record
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Then you have Harry Kane still waiting after all those minutes of action.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 20, 2024, 01:30:13 PMMust be a record
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Then you have Harry Kane still waiting after all those minutes of action.
I thought you had to play a certain amount of games to get a medal. That was the case for the premier league anyway , not sure about the cup competitions
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 20, 2024, 03:07:27 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 20, 2024, 01:30:13 PMMust be a record
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Then you have Harry Kane still waiting after all those minutes of action.
I thought you had to play a certain amount of games to get a medal. That was the case for the premier league anyway , not sure about the cup competitions
5 games for a league medal but is there an exemption fot keepers.
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 20, 2024, 03:09:10 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 20, 2024, 03:07:27 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 20, 2024, 01:30:13 PMMust be a record
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Then you have Harry Kane still waiting after all those minutes of action.
I thought you had to play a certain amount of games to get a medal. That was the case for the premier league anyway , not sure about the cup competitions
5 games for a league medal but is there an exemption fot keepers.
Surely to christ you must in the very least have to make the matchday squads!
Making a fortune to fulfil a home grown quota is that correct? unreal.
Pochettino goes. The circus is back in town