FAI...June 2024 Friendlies v Hungary and Portugal

[Dire Ear]

Brendan Rodgers at 100-1

[north_antrim_hound]

Brendan Rodgers at 100-1

https://youtu.be/KX5jNnDMfxA

[Cunny Funt]

Chris Hughton is a future Irish manager if we ever get a decent panel of players together again but for now the FAI will likely go back to Mick McCarty who had the likes of Shay Given,Gary Kelly,Ian Harte,Damien Duff,Robbie Keane and John O'Shea on his team when manager the last time all decent Premier league quality players and now he would have Seamus Coleman and pile of EPL championship quality players.

[seafoid]

O'Neill and Keane are gone 

If the problem is the system it won't make any difference.
The FAI missed the boat on the development of young players and this is now a problem at senior level
It is not easy to fix. Mick O'Dowd said the Meath manager after the next one might start winning. Maybe it's like that. 

Losing attitudes are insidious. You have to drop people even if they have loads of experience when they have no belief. You have to build it in young players.
Ireland are disorganised and will be playing teams who aren't. It takes time for young lads to build experience. Kilkenny are learning that now.
Fan expectations are not realistic.

Look at how well the rugby team is doing but that took years to get right. 

If you look at Dunphy analysing the manager after the honeymoon period in videos going back to Staunton there is a constant theme.
I don't think it's been about the manager for the last 14 years.

I have an issue with the sentence in BOLD, it is simply not true.  Our underage teams are doing well, even more so since the implementation of the player development plan (PDP).  Last week, our u18s in an invitational tournament in Spain beat both Belgium and Holland, and lost unluckily to England after leading for most of the match.  The issue is that there's no connect (in the lifetime of O'Neill & Keane) between the underage structures and the senior 'structure', though I understand that there has been an appointment made in the last few weeks whose purpose is to introduce the appropriate players from the underage system into the senior system.  That has to be a positive development.

They did miss the boat Billy. Maybe they are catching up now but they were too slow.
I know what it's from other sports when you get left behind and have to stop the rot. It is not easy.

[macdanger2]

Would like to see Kenny given a chance, Dundalk play decent football even in Europe when playing against stronger sides

[shark]

O'Neill and Keane are gone 

If the problem is the system it won't make any difference.
The FAI missed the boat on the development of young players and this is now a problem at senior level
It is not easy to fix. Mick O'Dowd said the Meath manager after the next one might start winning. Maybe it's like that. 

Losing attitudes are insidious. You have to drop people even if they have loads of experience when they have no belief. You have to build it in young players.
Ireland are disorganised and will be playing teams who aren't. It takes time for young lads to build experience. Kilkenny are learning that now.
Fan expectations are not realistic.

Look at how well the rugby team is doing but that took years to get right. 

If you look at Dunphy analysing the manager after the honeymoon period in videos going back to Staunton there is a constant theme.
I don't think it's been about the manager for the last 14 years.

I have an issue with the sentence in BOLD, it is simply not true.  Our underage teams are doing well, even more so since the implementation of the player development plan (PDP).  Last week, our u18s in an invitational tournament in Spain beat both Belgium and Holland, and lost unluckily to England after leading for most of the match.  The issue is that there's no connect (in the lifetime of O'Neill & Keane) between the underage structures and the senior 'structure', though I understand that there has been an appointment made in the last few weeks whose purpose is to introduce the appropriate players from the underage system into the senior system.  That has to be a positive development.

They did miss the boat Billy. Maybe they are catching up now but they were too slow.
I know what it's from other sports when you get left behind and have to stop the rot. It is not easy.

There are clear signs of progress though. At least some glimmer of hope for the future.

[easytiger95]

Given the job Michael O'Neill has done with Norn Iron coming from the LOI, it would be ridiculous to look past Kenny. He has a philosophy of playing which he implements wherever he goes, and tries to improve players to fit that style of play - rather than just shrugging his shoulders, saying we're crap and resorting to hoofing it - a la trap and the last days of Martin O'Neill.

[No1]

Id actually like to see Gordon Strachan in, done pretty well with a limited Scotland squad, failed to get them over the line then got hounded, 2 games after he was gone the Scotland fans were nearly falling over themselves admitting they made a mistake. Strachan is very good at getting results, i look at the celtic team he got to the last 16 of the champions league, good keeper strong but limited CB pairing and players with a lot of work rate. i think he'd do a good job

I hope to f**k this does not happen, an atrocious manager.  Just ask any Coventry, Middlesbrough or Scotland fan.

Well thats it solved, get the managers out and then the results will change... So who will get the blame when the results stay the same? The FAI no doubt as they will have appointed said person, the problem is not the managers and their sidekicks, the problem is a shit squad of players..

Now there are managers who, with a limited squad did actually make teams perform above their station and believe it or not, MON was one of those managers.. Big Sam lined up 

Do you think the two boys should have carried on?

[lurganblue]

Id actually like to see Gordon Strachan in, done pretty well with a limited Scotland squad, failed to get them over the line then got hounded, 2 games after he was gone the Scotland fans were nearly falling over themselves admitting they made a mistake. Strachan is very good at getting results, i look at the celtic team he got to the last 16 of the champions league, good keeper strong but limited CB pairing and players with a lot of work rate. i think he'd do a good job

I hope to f**k this does not happen, an atrocious manager.  Just ask any Coventry, Middlesbrough or Scotland fan.

Well thats it solved, get the managers out and then the results will change... So who will get the blame when the results stay the same? The FAI no doubt as they will have appointed said person, the problem is not the managers and their sidekicks, the problem is a shit squad of players..

Now there are managers who, with a limited squad did actually make teams perform above their station and believe it or not, MON was one of those managers.. Big Sam lined up 

Do you think the two boys should have carried on?

Jobs for the old guard should be discarded as a way of thinking. No to McCarthy, Big Sam, Wee Gordon, Pardew, Bruce etc. 

[Itchy]

No one on here believes Ireland have great players but do we have players good enough, for example, to threaten the defence of N Ireland. N Ireland should have scored 3 and their two forwards are playing in League 1. We have as poor a squad as we ever had but for god sake we still have player to be a relatively solid 3rd tier team at the moment.

[themac_23]

Id actually like to see Gordon Strachan in, done pretty well with a limited Scotland squad, failed to get them over the line then got hounded, 2 games after he was gone the Scotland fans were nearly falling over themselves admitting they made a mistake. Strachan is very good at getting results, i look at the celtic team he got to the last 16 of the champions league, good keeper strong but limited CB pairing and players with a lot of work rate. i think he'd do a good job

I hope to f**k this does not happen, an atrocious manager.  Just ask any Coventry, Middlesbrough or Scotland fan.

Well thats it solved, get the managers out and then the results will change... So who will get the blame when the results stay the same? The FAI no doubt as they will have appointed said person, the problem is not the managers and their sidekicks, the problem is a shit squad of players..

Now there are managers who, with a limited squad did actually make teams perform above their station and believe it or not, MON was one of those managers.. Big Sam lined up 

Do you think the two boys should have carried on?

Jobs for the old guard should be discarded as a way of thinking. No to McCarthy, Big Sam, Wee Gordon, Pardew, Bruce etc.

Sometimes a bit of experience is hard to beat, especially given that our squad is/will be pretty inexperienced come the next round of qualifiers.

[trailer]

No one on here believes Ireland have great players but do we have players good enough, for example, to threaten the defence of N Ireland. N Ireland should have scored 3 and their two forwards are playing in League 1. We have as poor a squad as we ever had but for god sake we still have player to be a relatively solid 3rd tier team at the moment.

Who are these players? Granted this last while I've watched very little of the ROI but Shane Long, O'Dowda, O'Brien are not these players.
MON & Keane did a wonderful job. They constantly over achieved. They will be very hard acts to follow. FAI should consider a statue in honour.

[red hander]

Given the job Michael O'Neill has done with Norn Iron coming from the LOI, it would be ridiculous to look past Kenny. He has a philosophy of playing which he implements wherever he goes, and tries to improve players to fit that style of play - rather than just shrugging his shoulders, saying we're crap and resorting to hoofing it - a la trap and the last days of Martin O'Neill.

+1

[Maroon Manc]

No one on here believes Ireland have great players but do we have players good enough, for example, to threaten the defence of N Ireland. N Ireland should have scored 3 and their two forwards are playing in League 1. We have as poor a squad as we ever had but for god sake we still have player to be a relatively solid 3rd tier team at the moment.

I do think O'Neil's time was up and he needed to go but think based on what we have there's no guarantee of qualifying for the Euro's even with 24 teams qualifying. I've just had a look at the Nations Cup tables and there's 20 better teams than Ireland; I'd put Ireland somewhere between 20-30 based on talent so qualifying for the Euro's is going to be a struggle.

[An Watcher]

Correct decision however the 2 men are getting alot of stick.  I for one will remember the great nights against Italy, Germany, Wales and Austria.  When our backs were against the wall having to win in Cardiff I was glad we had their experience on the bench.  I'm sure the players were helped when they looked over to the bench and seen Keane there.  Mr Trappatoni did not leave quite so many memorable nights!
Unfortunately problems arose against lesser or teams around our level.  I think more work could have been done at set pieces or on holding onto the ball more but what's done is done. 
I like the look of Kenny and hopefully it would work out better than the Brian Kerr era.  Chris Hughton is another however can't see him leaving Brighton.  We need a young manager with fresh ideas.  Get players to hold onto the ball more and allow them to make mistakes if it improves things in the long run.