The Derry City Branch of Comhaltas Ceoltóirí Éireann are tabling a bid to host the Fleadh in Derry City in 2013 as part of the UK city of culture bid. It has failed to date because it hasnt been backed at county level. Any thoughts?
Too many arsewipes in Derry, wouldn't make a good venue.
Quote from: Ulick on January 06, 2012, 05:13:26 PM
Too many arsewipes in Derry, wouldn't make a good venue.
Armagh deffo out then
Armagh would be a great venue, full of culture and tradition, perfect size, good venues and everyone would get a warm welcome. There was talk of an Armagh bid in the late 90s but was deferred as Warrenpoint was seen as the preferred northern venue.
Quote from: Ulick on January 06, 2012, 05:20:56 PM
Armagh would be a great venue, full of culture and tradition, perfect size, good venues and everyone would get a warm welcome. There was talk of an Armagh bid in the late 90s but was deferred as Warrenpoint was seen as the preferred northern venue.
[/quote
Bíodh ciall agat! Sure its full of smugglers, people with buckfast addictions, a culture of violence and a tradition of making everyone convinced that orange is a repulsive colour
Is it not going to Derry as part of the City of Culture in 2013.
Thats what we were told but Cavan would be delghted to have it for another year.
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 06, 2012, 05:30:01 PM
Is it not going to Derry as part of the City of Culture in 2013.
Thats what we were told but Cavan would be delghted to have it for another year.
Wouldnt mind if you got it-I always liked Cavan
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 06, 2012, 05:30:01 PM
Is it not going to Derry as part of the City of Culture in 2013.
Thats what we were told but Cavan would be delghted to have it for another year.
The Derry bid has hit a bump in the road. They couldnt get full county support because of the UK element. Some of the South Derry branches couldnt support it for this reason
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 06, 2012, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 06, 2012, 05:30:01 PM
Is it not going to Derry as part of the City of Culture in 2013.
Thats what we were told but Cavan would be delghted to have it for another year.
The Derry bid has hit a bump in the road. They couldnt get full county support because of the UK element. Some of the South Derry branches couldnt support it for this reason
They're just right! Is the Fleadh not normally held in small towns?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 06, 2012, 05:35:27 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 06, 2012, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 06, 2012, 05:30:01 PM
Is it not going to Derry as part of the City of Culture in 2013.
Thats what we were told but Cavan would be delghted to have it for another year.
The Derry bid has hit a bump in the road. They couldnt get full county support because of the UK element. Some of the South Derry branches couldnt support it for this reason
They're just right! Is the Fleadh not normally held in small towns?
Not too sure it has got anything to do with size but i do agree that small/medium sized towns may be better suited. If Derry did get it it would be probably centred around a dozen bars near the city centre to replicate the smaller town feel
Quote from: Ulick on January 06, 2012, 05:13:26 PM
Too many arsewipes in Derry, wouldn't make a good venue.
Has anyone tried that recyled toilet paper?
It sounds awful but probably okay on the whole. Bum bum!
Quote from: Orior on January 06, 2012, 06:09:00 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 06, 2012, 05:13:26 PM
Too many arsewipes in Derry, wouldn't make a good venue.
Has anyone tried that recyled toilet paper?
It sounds awful but probably okay on the whole. Bum bum!
Haven't tried it. But it has to be better than the Sun Newspaper. We used to use that, but it was awful when it crushed up into a hard point and jabbed you arse- wile sore.
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 06, 2012, 05:30:01 PM
Is it not going to Derry as part of the City of Culture in 2013.
Thats what we were told but Cavan would be delghted to have it for another year.
Sligo and Ennis were the other two possibilities mentioned on the news for the 2013 Fleadh.
@StandUp4Derry
Another step closer to securing All Ireland Fleadh in Derry 2013: Proposal passed at tonight`s meeting in Culturlann to go to next stage
Quote from: Minder on January 18, 2012, 10:16:09 PM
@StandUp4Derry
Another step closer to securing All Ireland Fleadh in Derry 2013: Proposal passed at tonight`s meeting in Culturlann to go to next stage
Caught the end of a couple of Derry wans arguing about it on RTE radio this morning.
Ulster Council decided not to back Derry's bid.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 22, 2012, 10:09:40 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 22, 2012, 09:10:48 PM
Ulster Council decided not to back Derry's bid.
Why?
Haven't heard why but the original protests were centred around it being linked to he UK city of culture bid. Not absolutely sure on this but did hear that those against it within County Derry were from the South Derry area
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 22, 2012, 10:09:40 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 22, 2012, 09:10:48 PM
Ulster Council decided not to back Derry's bid.
Why?
I've heard security risk mentioned. Not sure if that's genuine or a cover for another reason.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-16676169
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 22, 2012, 10:54:10 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 22, 2012, 10:09:40 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 22, 2012, 09:10:48 PM
Ulster Council decided not to back Derry's bid.
Why?
I've heard security risk mentioned. Not sure if that's genuine or a cover for another reason.
The latter...They object to the UK bit and don't have the balls to say it. They're cultural nazis at officer level in Ulster. Rank and file members wholly supportive of the bid.
Quote from: sheamy on January 23, 2012, 08:19:27 AM
The latter...They object to the UK bit and don't have the balls to say it. They're cultural nazis at officer level in Ulster. Rank and file members wholly supportive of the bid.
You have evidence for this? Most Comhaltas members I know don't support the Derry bid.
Quote from: Ulick on January 23, 2012, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: sheamy on January 23, 2012, 08:19:27 AM
The latter...They object to the UK bit and don't have the balls to say it. They're cultural nazis at officer level in Ulster. Rank and file members wholly supportive of the bid.
You have evidence for this? Most Comhaltas members I know don't support the Derry bid.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-16676169
The chairman of the Derry County Board, Brendan Molloy says he's shocked by the decision.
He confirmed no members of the local branches attended the meeting, "I got a text on my phone to say sorry the bid didn't go through this time.
"A statement was emailed to me from a Comhaltas employee. It did not come from a member of the Ulster Council.
"Up until a few days ago we were going to go to that meeting and had requested could the branch come to put the bid forward.
"We were told that was not necessary.
"I am shocked, totally and utterly shocked."
Quote from: Ulick on January 23, 2012, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: sheamy on January 23, 2012, 08:19:27 AM
The latter...They object to the UK bit and don't have the balls to say it. They're cultural nazis at officer level in Ulster. Rank and file members wholly supportive of the bid.
You have evidence for this? Most Comhaltas members I know don't support the Derry bid.
There are so many layers to this part of the world, people can find it difficult to have an opinion thats truly their own and are continually trying to sense what the right opinion to have is based on the circles they mix in.
Quote from: Ulick on January 23, 2012, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: sheamy on January 23, 2012, 08:19:27 AM
The latter...They object to the UK bit and don't have the balls to say it. They're cultural nazis at officer level in Ulster. Rank and file members wholly supportive of the bid.
You have evidence for this? Most Comhaltas members I know don't support the Derry bid.
Millions and millions of pounds at stake here Ulick. These people need put down their Shillelaghs and step into the real world.
Labhrás Ó Murchú was interviewed on Radio Foyle this morning and he himself questioned the legitimacy of the weekend vote and hinted that this could yet be overturned. They have until Weds to appeal this.
They're talking of a security risk from the dissidents . . . I can't see how it would do them any good bombing THE festival of Irishness??!!
My only gripe would be Derry is not a great place to have it. It would be great for the economy but I just don't see it happening to be fair.
Brendan Molloy may be shocked but he doesn't speak for all Comhaltas members or even any Comhaltas members outside his branch. Personally I was ambivalent about the bid and with some good planning it might work, but the way the Derry Board and Martina Anderson in particular have gone about this has me opposed to it now. The arrogance of both parties has been astounding e.g. the talk of "ratification procedures" as though it was a given their bid would be accepted regardless of what came from Sligo and Ennis - two towns that have successfully hosted in the past. At the end of the day the Fleadh is about showcasing the best music and dance, not bringing in money for the host town (not city).
I would be inclined to agree with you Ulick. I don't think Derry is the place for it. Both Dungiven and Ballinascreen have held Ulster Fleadh's in recent years and the town atmosphere definitely makes it. I know both are relatively small towns and have an issue about accomodation to host such an event but both would be ideal venues for the atmosphere and the actual hosting of the festival.
Derry has really come from nowhere and it seems a bit of a rush job to me just because of this 'City of Culture' nonsense. However I think it goes against the ethos of the Fleadh to have it in the City.
Q. How do you know that you are on an airplane full of Derry people?
A. When the engines stop you can still hear the whinning.
Quote from: Orior on January 23, 2012, 11:34:23 AM
Q. How do you know that you are on an airplane full of Derry people?
A. When the engines stop you can still hear the whinning.
:D :D :D :D
As a Derry Man i have to say that this was doomed from the start. There are many reasons why. Of course its an All Ireland Festival and I can see why you would want to reinforce and legitimise your Irishness by staging it in Derry, but this should have been done on an ordinary year. That would have made the bid more genuine. Instead it was thrown in on the back of the UK city of culture bid, why because Gerry O' hÉara was involved and his main aim in life is to make money, not just make it but max it out. I live in Derry, and a lot of good Gaels have been hurt by this, they have been hoodwinked by business minded individuals into doing this at a very late stage. I am not a facist, i am not narrow minded and I am not anti British, but i do see the link with the UK thing a bit strange. This is an Irish Festival, why would you hold it under the UK city of culture banner? Derry should bid for it in 2014, get rid of the politicians and let the genuine Gaels run it themselves.
Has the All Ireland Fleadh ever been held in the North?
Quote from: Orangemac on January 23, 2012, 10:04:07 PM
Has the All Ireland Fleadh ever been held in the North?
Yeah, Donegal. Never been in the six counties tho!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_venues_for_All_Ireland_Fleadh_Cheoil_na_h%C3%89ireann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_venues_for_All_Ireland_Fleadh_Cheoil_na_h%C3%89ireann)
Bottom line is that it should have been beaten by either Sligo or Ennis as Ulster will already have had it 3 years on the trot and apart from once in the 1950s no province has had it any more that three times in a row. Its just as well the same BBC hoors - Nolan and Wendy Austin who were complaining about it today would also have been complaining about the amount of on street drinking had Derry got the Fleadh. Keep it in the 26
Interesting article from the Irish News on Saturday.
Britain seeking copyright of cultural nationalism
Patrick Murphy, Irish News Saturday January 21st 2012
Are you going to next year's Fleadh Cheoil naEireann in Londonderry? The Fleadh is a particularly Irish event, reflecting a proud tradition of music and song which survived centuries of ridicule, scorn and suppression. Following political pressure, this all-Ireland music festival is now a likely event in the UK City of Culture programme for 2013.
Should such an event be included in a celebration of UK culture, particularly since the Scots, Welsh and English will confirm that there is no such thing as UK culture? The answer is a plain, and politely blunt, 'No'. But there is a more intriguing question - how did we arrive at the point where Irish culture might be included as part of a British celebration in Ireland? The answer lies in recent history, Britain's understanding of how to shape that history and the contemporary gymnastics of Irish political nationalism.
The City of Culture (CoC) is a British government attempt to cash in on the European Capital of Culture concept which brought economic benefits to Glasgow and Liverpool. Derry's application sought some of those benefits. Good luck to is people for that, especially since the city has a proud cultural tradition. The government's idea was that the winning city would become a focus of national attention. (That, presumably, is the UK nation.) It could host high-profile events including the Turner Prize (which is scheduled for Derry), the BBC sports personality award (which is not) and the Brits (that's Brits as in "in", not Brits as in "out".) Since UK culture was too London-centric, the capital was excluded from bidding. So they made it Londonderry-centric instead.
Derry's application, which was highly professional, was three parts culture and two parts politics. For example, it claimed that CoC status would spark the city's economic recovery by tackling inequalities in health, employment and education. It would also address child poverty and tell the story of the peace process.
In June 2010, the British government admitted that its army had killed 13 peaceful civil rights marchers on Bloody Sunday. This admission was applauded even though we already knew what happened. Truth, like cultural recognition can come only from London. Four weeks later, guess what? Derry became the first UK City of Culture. Everyone applauded again. Bloody, said some, no longer needed commemoration.
Derry's UK CoC status rests easily with current constitutional nationalism. Sinn Fein and the SDLP work within partition and, if you vote, you have given them a democratic mandate to do so. But political nationalism's pro-British stance risks drifting apart from cultural nationalism. Language, dance, music and song have perpetuated the idea of Irish separateness from Britain from one generation to the next. Irish rebellion was often rooted in poetry as much as politics.
The British recognise this better than most. The 1916 Rising had significant roots in the Gaelic revival of late 19th century. If you were in Whitehall today trying to bed down the latest British victory in Ireland, you would bring cultural nationalism into line with political nationalism. That explains the political pressure to bring the Fleadh to a British-government event in Ireland.
The British have always used local culture to reinforce colonial power. You know the sort of thing - locals dance for the Duke of Edinburgh while he makes smart comments. Including exclusively Irish events in a British festival is part of that same tradition. The duke could come to Derry and make hilarious jokes about the uilleann pipes and an octopus. We could then all fall around laughing and saying how wonderful royalty is. Then we could present him with a hurling stick. Oh no, we have done that bit already.
But the Fleadh is not only significant Irish cultural event proposed for the UK City of Culture. Oireachtas no Gaeilge is also in the draft programme. First organised in 1897 by Conradh na Gaeilge (Gaelic League), this annual festival of arts and culture is run entirely in Irish. It represents what might be termed the gold standard of Irish culture. It nearly disappeared at one point through cultural snobbery but for the past 40 years it has been a vibrant event, celebrating a culture which Britain failed to kill.
Exercising political control over a nation's culture cuts off a significant source of potential political opposition. If some of that opposition expresses itself through violence, the task is so much easier.
Having gained control of political nationalism, Britain is now seeking the copyright of cultural nationalism as well. Irish history shows that some will be willing to sell it and others will rush to resist the sale in the wrong way.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 23, 2012, 11:17:26 PM
Bottom line is that it should have been beaten by either Sligo or Ennis as Ulster will already have had it 3 years on the trot and apart from once in the 1950s no province has had it any more that three times in a row. Its just as well the same BBC hoors - Nolan and Wendy Austin who were complaining about it today would also have been complaining about the amount of on street drinking had Derry got the Fleadh. Keep it in the 26
[/b]
Your post was OK until the last line-tongue in cheek I hope
Quote from: give her dixie on January 23, 2012, 11:28:26 PM
Interesting article from the Irish News on Saturday.
Britain seeking copyright of cultural nationalism
Patrick Murphy, Irish News Saturday January 21st 2012
Are you going to next year's Fleadh Cheoil naEireann in Londonderry? The Fleadh is a particularly Irish event, reflecting a proud tradition of music and song which survived centuries of ridicule, scorn and suppression. Following political pressure, this all-Ireland music festival is now a likely event in the UK City of Culture programme for 2013.
Should such an event be included in a celebration of UK culture, particularly since the Scots, Welsh and English will confirm that there is no such thing as UK culture? The answer is a plain, and politely blunt, 'No'. But there is a more intriguing question - how did we arrive at the point where Irish culture might be included as part of a British celebration in Ireland? The answer lies in recent history, Britain's understanding of how to shape that history and the contemporary gymnastics of Irish political nationalism.
The City of Culture (CoC) is a British government attempt to cash in on the European Capital of Culture concept which brought economic benefits to Glasgow and Liverpool. Derry's application sought some of those benefits. Good luck to is people for that, especially since the city has a proud cultural tradition. The government's idea was that the winning city would become a focus of national attention. (That, presumably, is the UK nation.) It could host high-profile events including the Turner Prize (which is scheduled for Derry), the BBC sports personality award (which is not) and the Brits (that's Brits as in "in", not Brits as in "out".) Since UK culture was too London-centric, the capital was excluded from bidding. So they made it Londonderry-centric instead.
Derry's application, which was highly professional, was three parts culture and two parts politics. For example, it claimed that CoC status would spark the city's economic recovery by tackling inequalities in health, employment and education. It would also address child poverty and tell the story of the peace process.
In June 2010, the British government admitted that its army had killed 13 peaceful civil rights marchers on Bloody Sunday. This admission was applauded even though we already knew what happened. Truth, like cultural recognition can come only from London. Four weeks later, guess what? Derry became the first UK City of Culture. Everyone applauded again. Bloody, said some, no longer needed commemoration.
Derry's UK CoC status rests easily with current constitutional nationalism. Sinn Fein and the SDLP work within partition and, if you vote, you have given them a democratic mandate to do so. But political nationalism's pro-British stance risks drifting apart from cultural nationalism. Language, dance, music and song have perpetuated the idea of Irish separateness from Britain from one generation to the next. Irish rebellion was often rooted in poetry as much as politics.
The British recognise this better than most. The 1916 Rising had significant roots in the Gaelic revival of late 19th century. If you were in Whitehall today trying to bed down the latest British victory in Ireland, you would bring cultural nationalism into line with political nationalism. That explains the political pressure to bring the Fleadh to a British-government event in Ireland.
The British have always used local culture to reinforce colonial power. You know the sort of thing - locals dance for the Duke of Edinburgh while he makes smart comments. Including exclusively Irish events in a British festival is part of that same tradition. The duke could come to Derry and make hilarious jokes about the uilleann pipes and an octopus. We could then all fall around laughing and saying how wonderful royalty is. Then we could present him with a hurling stick. Oh no, we have done that bit already.
But the Fleadh is not only significant Irish cultural event proposed for the UK City of Culture. Oireachtas no Gaeilge is also in the draft programme. First organised in 1897 by Conradh na Gaeilge (Gaelic League), this annual festival of arts and culture is run entirely in Irish. It represents what might be termed the gold standard of Irish culture. It nearly disappeared at one point through cultural snobbery but for the past 40 years it has been a vibrant event, celebrating a culture which Britain failed to kill.
Exercising political control over a nation's culture cuts off a significant source of potential political opposition. If some of that opposition expresses itself through violence, the task is so much easier.
Having gained control of political nationalism, Britain is now seeking the copyright of cultural nationalism as well. Irish history shows that some will be willing to sell it and others will rush to resist the sale in the wrong way.
Very good article
Some of the saddest culturally-exclusive juggling I have ever witnessed.
The fleadh in Derry would have blown any pretence of a so-called UK culture into space.
We are our own worst enemies beyond any doubt.
To be honest when I see the likes of former NIO lackies like Murphy take a position I instinctively gravitate to the opposite side. It's a fecking Fleadh we're talking about here, not a Rising and I'd like to think that we've enough confidence and pride in our culture than to reduce it to a tool in some imagined cultural war against the Brits. Bringing the Fleadh north, normalises the six counties as another Irish region and it takes a special type of spectacular polemical gymnastics on the scale of Murphy's article to suggest the opposite.
Quote from: Ulick on January 24, 2012, 08:11:36 AM
To be honest when I see the likes of former NIO lackies like Murphy take a position I instinctively gravitate to the opposite side. It's a fecking Fleadh we're talking about here, not a Rising and I'd like to think that we've enough confidence and pride in our culture than to reduce it to a tool in some imagined cultural war against the Brits. Bringing the Fleadh north, normalises the six counties as another Irish region and it takes a special type of spectacular polemical gymnastics on the scale of Murphy's article to suggest the opposite.
So you pro or against now? I'm confused...your position seems to be, bring it north, but not to Derry?
Quote from: sheamy on January 24, 2012, 08:33:01 AM
Quote from: Ulick on January 24, 2012, 08:11:36 AM
To be honest when I see the likes of former NIO lackies like Murphy take a position I instinctively gravitate to the opposite side. It's a fecking Fleadh we're talking about here, not a Rising and I'd like to think that we've enough confidence and pride in our culture than to reduce it to a tool in some imagined cultural war against the Brits. Bringing the Fleadh north, normalises the six counties as another Irish region and it takes a special type of spectacular polemical gymnastics on the scale of Murphy's article to suggest the opposite.
So you pro or against now? I'm confused...your position seems to be, bring it north, but not to Derry?
My position has always been that Derry jumped the queue, aside from that I've no objection in principle. I've attended most Fleadhs from the early '80s and know how much northern Gaels wanted to bring it across the border and the work they've put in to that end - the only thing is Derry was never on anybodys radar.
Had Derry not received the word tha it was going to be the City of Culture for 2013 a few years ago?
I would have thought have the fleadh as part of the Cultural events would be a no brainer.
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 24, 2012, 09:29:05 AM
Had Derry not received the word tha it was going to be the City of Culture for 2013 a few years ago?
I would have thought have the fleadh as part of the Cultural events would be a no brainer.
you would think so Denn, wouldn't you? You're making far too much simple logical sense there though. You'd want to watch that, it might catch on...
This whole row seems to centre on a semantic misunderstanding. Derry is to be the UK City of Culture for 2013, not the City Of UK Culture.
http://newswireni.com/content/derrys-bid-host-fleadh-back-track-ulster-council-do-u-turn
Derry's bid to host the All-Ireland Fleadh is back on track after the Ulster Council of Comhaltas did a u-turn on its decision not to back the city.
The Council reversed its decision not to back Derry's bid at a meeting of senior officers last night.
The Ulster Council had refused to back the bid on Sunday, citing the dissident republican threat of violence as the reason. Derry Comhaltas appealed against the decision and asked the people of Derry to contact the Ulster Council via email with their reasons the city should play host to the biggest celebration of Irish traditional music, culture and dance in the world.
The final decision on whether Derry will host 2013's event will take place at the weekend.
'Political correctness' if such a tital is ever valid, has again come to the fore in this debate about bringing the Fleadh to the UK city of culture in Derry. This debate has reminded me of the Lisbon Treaty a few years back........... at the first you don't succeed ram it down their necks once more because we in the government are always right and in the end sure we always get our own way. So as it stands.....
...... Gone to the Derry branch - Deadlock
...... Back again to the Derry Branch - County members refuse to attend as they are villified for having a view on things
...... Went to the provincial council in Ulster - Ulster says no
...... Back again to Ulster - Ulster says yes
(Later this weekend).............
....... What happens if it is shot down for Ennis or Sligo
....... Do the supporters of the Fleadh for Derry yet again have a whinge and say we 'DEMAND' it here???
....... Or do the supporters of the Fleadh for Derry realise that they were unsuccessful????
Due to popular belief not everyone here in Derry is supporting this bid nor indeed is at all happy with the town being named UK City of Culture despite the glowing praises of the local politicans. Indeed Martina Anderson's constant remarks that we must 'embrace' this UK city of culture, has made many a person chuckle up here. Not too long ago her and here lackies would have 'shut up' people who made such comments. Her colleague Martin McGuinness accepting the award on the soil of Liverpool was another example, if any was needed, of how people's belief's have changed with power. Those who speak out against such a bid have not recieved any of the same coverage as those who have backed it as the local media believe that this is 'a good new story'; presenting ourselves as a proud city within the UK to the whole world does not make it 'a good news story' to myself. They tell us that the Fleadh will bring so much money here, attract investors here etc........ when has ever the Fleadh been about this? The fleadh is about the festival of Irish music and Irish culture, it is a celebration of the aforementioned; not a political football. Has Derry ever tried to host it before? No. So the UK city of culture team has jumped on the bandwagon and tried to get everything virtually possible in the country to Derry for that year. Will they give a flying hoot about it in years to come, I doubt it, they probably beilieve that the Fleadh has served us well for that year and we have no need for it anymore. Would the fleadh be respected here in Derry, would they appreciate it? Time will tell as Irish tradiotnal music is poorly welcomed at the minute.
Britain's appeasement to the Irish has for centuries been political....now they have hijacked our culture; something that has set us apart from Britain.
Below was a statement Posted on: January 24, 2012, 02:11:51 PMPosted by: Hardy
Insert Quote
This whole row seems to centre on a semantic misunderstanding. Derry is to be the UK City of Culture for 2013, not the City Of UK Culture.
Yer point is a contradiciton of one self.
Quote from: theticklemister on January 25, 2012, 01:53:31 PM
'Political correctness' if such a tital is ever valid, has again come to the fore in this debate about bringing the Fleadh to the UK city of culture in Derry. This debate has reminded me of the Lisbon Treaty a few years back........... at the first you don't succeed ram it down their necks once more because we in the government are always right and in the end sure we always get our own way. So as it stands.....
...... Gone to the Derry branch - Deadlock
...... Back again to the Derry Branch - County members refuse to attend as they are villified for having a view on things
...... Went to the provincial council in Ulster - Ulster says no
...... Back again to Ulster - Ulster says yes
(Later this weekend).............
....... What happens if it is shot down for Ennis or Sligo
....... Do the supporters of the Fleadh for Derry yet again have a whinge and say we 'DEMAND' it here???
....... Or do the supporters of the Fleadh for Derry realise that they were unsuccessful????
Due to popular belief not everyone here in Derry is supporting this bid nor indeed is at all happy with the town being named UK City of Culture despite the glowing praises of the local politicans. Indeed Martina Anderson's constant remarks that we must 'embrace' this UK city of culture, has made many a person chuckle up here. Not too long ago her and here lackies would have 'shut up' people who made such comments. Her colleague Martin McGuinness accepting the award on the soil of Liverpool was another example, if any was needed, of how people's belief's have changed with power. Those who speak out against such a bid have not recieved any of the same coverage as those who have backed it as the local media believe that this is 'a good new story'; presenting ourselves as a proud city within the UK to the whole world does not make it 'a good news story' to myself. They tell us that the Fleadh will so much money here, attract investors there........ when has ever the Fleadh been about this? The fleadh is about the festival of Irish music and Irish culture, it is a celebration of the aforementioned; not a political football. Has Derry ever tried to host it before? No. So the UK city of culture team has jumped on the bandwagon and tried to everything virtually possible in the country to Derry for that year. Will they gave a flying hoot about it in years to come, I doubt it, they probably beilieve that the Fleadh has served us well for that year and we have no need for it anymore. Would the fleadh be respected here in Derry, would they appreciate it? Time will tell as it is poorly welcomed at the minute.
Britain's appeasement to the Irish has for centuries been political....now they have hijacked our culture; something that has set us apart from Britain.
Below was a statement Posted on: January 24, 2012, 02:11:51 PMPosted by: Hardy
Insert Quote
This whole row seems to centre on a semantic misunderstanding. Derry is to be the UK City of Culture for 2013, not the City Of UK Culture.
Yer point is a contradiciton of one self.
Classic from Sabrina Sweeney on Evening Extra on Radio Ulster this evening when she announced that
'Londonderry is back in contention to host the All Ireland Fleadh next year.' I kid you not you can hear her if you go into the I Player and move along to 17.09
tickle, no harm to ye, you usually talk sense, but you're way off the mark here.
It may seem like 'we're not taking no blah blah blah', and I can understand how you reach that position Re Lisbon comparison etc, but the reality is very different. Let the full national Comhaltas decide as is their right, the decision of which is final and indisputable. To have the passage of the bid hijacked from even getting there by a minority is however wrong.
For purely selfish reasons I hope Sligo gets it.
Seems like Derry are hosting the Fleadh in 2013
http://newswireni.com/content/derry-set-host-all-ireland-fleadh-2013 (http://newswireni.com/content/derry-set-host-all-ireland-fleadh-2013)
Best of Luck Derry and enjoy it. Sorry to see it go.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 28, 2012, 04:07:03 PM
Terrible news. Mark my words it'll be a disaster and the same media people who complained when it looked like Londonderry wasn't going to get it will be out in force to complain about the on street drinking, street fighting ( and I can tell you that as a person who's been to dozens of Fleadhs and never witnessed a fight itl'll be a factor in Derry)and the clean up costs
Ahh... sure they said the same before it went to Letterkenny.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 28, 2012, 04:07:03 PM
Terrible news. Mark my words it'll be a disaster and the same media people who complained when it looked like Londonderry wasn't going to get it will be out in force to complain about the on street drinking, street fighting ( and I can tell you that as a person who's been to dozens of Fleadhs and never witnessed a fight itl'll be a factor in Derry)and the clean up costs
Don't try any of that oul' positivity anyway.
Maith sibh Cómhaltas Dhoire.
I've been to a few fleadhs and may well be back for the one in Derry.
I usually tie it in around a weeks camping. Where can I camp in Derry and walk to every event?
Quote from: ardal on January 28, 2012, 09:47:37 PM
I've been to a few fleadhs and may well be back for the one in Derry.
I usually tie it in around a weeks camping. Where can I camp in Derry and walk to every event?
Cavan had shuttle-buses from the camp-sites to the town. Worked pretty well.
I think this is a perfect opportunity to demonstrate to the British population that whereas Derry may be the 'UK' city of culture, ultimately, Derry and the by default the six counties are part of the Irish nation where Irish culture predominates.
Well that message doesn't seem to be resonating from Radio Ulster who still keeps referring to Londonderry winning the Fleadh. Its aggravating to say the least
Aerlik your comment there is laughable. It contradicts itself. I for one don't want dominion or colonial status from Britain like your statement refers too.
Why is everyone linking the Fleadh to the City of Culture thing? It's not actually part of the City of Culture programme of events, and it wasn't CoC team that got the Fleadh to come. The two things are completely seperate, they just happen to be taking place on the same year. So this whole argument is a load of shite. Or am I missing something?
Quote from: hsthompson on January 29, 2012, 08:48:33 PM
Why is everyone linking the Fleadh to the City of Culture thing? It's not actually part of the City of Culture programme of events, and it wasn't CoC team that got the Fleadh to come. The two things are completely seperate, they just happen to be taking place on the same year. So this whole argument is a load of shite. Or am I missing something?
... and unless it's a complete disaster will almost certainly be held in Derry again in 2014.
Quote from: hsthompson on January 29, 2012, 08:48:33 PM
Why is everyone linking the Fleadh to the City of Culture thing? It's not actually part of the City of Culture programme of events, and it wasn't CoC team that got the Fleadh to come. The two things are completely seperate, they just happen to be taking place on the same year. So this whole argument is a load of shite. Or am I missing something?
You're missing a lot of things.
The programme of events hasn't been published. The 'highlight' programme is to be announced in April with the full programme only being announced in September. But that's a minor point.
There was no apparent mention of Derry hosting the Fleadh up until now. Other towns, such as Warrenpoint appear to have been in the frame for some time. Why did Derry pop up all of a sudden? Why the push for 2013?
It wouldn't be happening in Derry if it wasn't for the numerous u-turns, which were facilitated by political and media pressure... to have it there in 2013.
Quote from: Ulick on January 29, 2012, 09:14:32 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on January 29, 2012, 08:48:33 PM
Why is everyone linking the Fleadh to the City of Culture thing? It's not actually part of the City of Culture programme of events, and it wasn't CoC team that got the Fleadh to come. The two things are completely seperate, they just happen to be taking place on the same year. So this whole argument is a load of shite. Or am I missing something?
... and unless it's a complete disaster will almost certainly be held in Derry again in 2014.
That's irrelevant. It's about why it's there in 2013, not what happens afterwards.
How is that irrelevant? He's pointing out that it's not linked to the CoC. And that it will most likely be there the following year when the CoC is long gone.
If you do not know anything about this topic please stop posting...................
Plus please everyone stop forgetting to put in the UK into the city of culture phrase. That's what we won isn't it????............
Quote from: hsthompson on January 29, 2012, 08:48:33 PM
Why is everyone linking the Fleadh to the City of Culture thing? It's not actually part of the City of Culture programme of events, and it wasn't CoC team that got the Fleadh to come. The two things are completely seperate, they just happen to be taking place on the same year. So this whole argument is a load of shite. Or am I missing something?
Quote from: theticklemister on January 30, 2012, 11:02:51 AM
If you do not know anything about this topic please stop posting...................
Plus please everyone stop forgetting to put in the UK into the city of culture phrase. That's what we won isn't it????............
Please stop creating problems that exist soley in your head.
Will you be joining the celebrations of Irish Culture come Fleadh 2012 tickle?
Enjoy the good things in life of which the Fleadh in your home town of Derry will undoubtedly be one.
Quote from: bailestil on January 30, 2012, 11:10:23 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 30, 2012, 11:02:51 AM
If you do not know anything about this topic please stop posting...................
Plus please everyone stop forgetting to put in the UK into the city of culture phrase. That's what we won isn't it????............
Please stop creating problems that exist soley in your head.
Will you be joining the celebrations of Irish Culture come Fleadh 2012 tickle?
Enjoy the good things in life of which the Fleadh in your home town of Derry will undoubtedly be one.
It is nearly like crying if we got a united ireland "dont you see people, the brits give it to us! we should not accept!"
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 30, 2012, 08:33:18 AM
How is that irrelevant? He's pointing out that it's not linked to the CoC. And that it will most likely be there the following year when the CoC is long gone.
It's irrelevant because it has all been geared towards bringing it to Derry in 2013. If they were working towards the first year in 2014 then it would be a different matter altogether. Why have people been bending over backwards to bring it to the city in 2013?
For those who like Irish/traditional music, this festival in Cavan this March might be of interest.
Run by NYAH and it seems to be Fleadh-lite
https://acrobat.com/app.html#d=qJjLrv67sl-Wyxd*GtqPEg
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 30, 2012, 06:05:38 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 30, 2012, 08:33:18 AM
How is that irrelevant? He's pointing out that it's not linked to the CoC. And that it will most likely be there the following year when the CoC is long gone.
It's irrelevant because it has all been geared towards bringing it to Derry in 2013. If they were working towards the first year in 2014 then it would be a different matter altogether. Why have people been bending over backwards to bring it to the city in 2013?
Well Cavan will have three years of hosting done and dusted this year, and if Ennis or Sligo had applied and got it for 2012 then going by the usual practice, they would have it for two, or more likely three years, meaning Derry would have had to have waited until probably 2016 before having any realistic chance of success.
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 01, 2012, 02:27:28 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 30, 2012, 06:05:38 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 30, 2012, 08:33:18 AM
How is that irrelevant? He's pointing out that it's not linked to the CoC. And that it will most likely be there the following year when the CoC is long gone.
It's irrelevant because it has all been geared towards bringing it to Derry in 2013. If they were working towards the first year in 2014 then it would be a different matter altogether. Why have people been bending over backwards to bring it to the city in 2013?
Well Cavan will have three years of hosting done and dusted this year, and if Ennis or Sligo had applied and got it for 2012 then going by the usual practice, they would have it for two, or more likely three years, meaning Derry would have had to have waited until probably 2016 before having any realistic chance of success.
Your point?