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So you don't accept that Hamas committed rape (and gang rape ) on 10/07

Fair enough

Believe whatever you want

Read the full UN report or even what i copied from Guterres in my last post..

again, the UN team "was unable to establish the prevalence of sexual violence and concludes that the overall magnitude, scope, and specific attribution of these violations would require a fully-fledged investigation."

The Patten's report notes, Israel has consistently refused to cooperate with independent UN investigators.

Patten and her team were unable to locate a single victim and did not speak to any alleged survivors of sexual violence or rape – despite making a public appeal for such survivors to come forward and speak confidentially and with assurances of safety and privacy. 

the AP had an article only this week debunking two fake rape claims by Israel. there is numerous other claims that have been debunked or were pure conjecture based on blood stains. There is one potential credible claim by A. Soussana

if you genuinely cared about rape victims or kidnapped victims you would care about the the over 3500 held in administrative detention by Israel and all Palestinians victims which you ignore as you try an wepaonise rape to dehumanise Palestinians.

Wow

We even have a video of a teenage girl with blood and feces coming out of her arse being dragged by the hair out of a keep and that's what you come up.

God help us

wow is right... that video does not show rape. I agree her pants were stained, that does not mean rape. it shows an IDF solider from the unit of the IDF that supported the mowing down of over 200 and maiming of over 9000 Palestinians in the great march.

a more recent video shows she was captured with 4 others at an army base. the video widely shared by zionist propaganda shills like yourself had fake dubbing and translations that have now been debunked. 

So you don't accept that Hamas committed rape (and gang rape ) on 10/07

Fair enough

Believe whatever you want

Read the full UN report or even what i copied from Guterres in my last post..

again, the UN team "was unable to establish the prevalence of sexual violence and concludes that the overall magnitude, scope, and specific attribution of these violations would require a fully-fledged investigation."

The Patten's report notes, Israel has consistently refused to cooperate with independent UN investigators.

Patten and her team were unable to locate a single victim and did not speak to any alleged survivors of sexual violence or rape – despite making a public appeal for such survivors to come forward and speak confidentially and with assurances of safety and privacy. 

the AP had an article only this week debunking two fake rape claims by Israel. there is numerous other claims that have been debunked or were pure conjecture based on blood stains. There is one potential credible claim by A. Soussana

if you genuinely cared about rape victims or kidnapped victims you would care about the the over 3500 held in administrative detention by Israel and all Palestinians victims which you ignore as you try an wepaonise rape to dehumanise Palestinians.

[firstly there us no evidence of gang rape, and they are not using their people as human shields]

6th time of asking

are Israel animals and should they be wiped from the face of the planet whitey?

No and No

There would be no war in Gaza were it not for the actions of Hamas on 10/07

They acted like animals, (gang raping,
Kidnapping and murdering teenage girls) and are now using their own people as human shields.

Israel will stop short of nothing less than the complete destruction of Hamas and unfortunately Hamas have put their own civilians in the middle

firstly there us no evidence of gang rape, and they are not using their people as human shields.

there is evidence over many years that Israel has raped, kidnapped (they have caged 2.2m in gaza) and murdered alot more teenage girls  amd this was all prior to Oct 7th. there has been plenty of wars in gaza, protective edge and cast lead are two where thousands women and children were murdered by Israel.

there would be no resistence to occupation without the occupation and Israel is responsible for the occupation. I could go on about Israel allowing funding for Hamas to split the palestinans or that it was Israeli funds that helped establish Hamas bit to show how Israel is responsible but I'd be wasting my time with you.

like the Israelis you are happy to dehumanise Palestinians.

you are holding Israel ( who are right now committing a genocide) to a very different standard to Hamas and should be careful as holding Israel to a different standard can be considered anti semitic or that maybe argument is only used if you criticise Israel.

Believe whatever you want

The evidence is there, you are just choosing to ignore it

You don't believe the Israelis

You don't believe the UN

Heck-You don't even believe Hamas (when they ADMITTED to doing it)

all leading Human rights organisations including those in Israel do not take videos of coerced confessions after torture as accurate.. they are propaganda for people like you


here is Israel not believing the UN

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1708343090-israel-rejects-un-s-claim-about-idf-war-crimes-against-palestinian-women-and-girls

and then there this,  Guterres referenced Patten's assessment, but noted that it, "not being investigative in nature and given its limited duration, did not draw conclusions on attribution to specific armed groups or determine prevalence of incidents of conflict-related sexual violence during and after the attacks of 7 October. Such a determination would require a fully-fledged investigation."

here us IDF raping an 11 year old

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna12580489

boosting on twitter about raping

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailysabah.com/world/mid-east/deceased-israeli-soldier-boasted-about-raping-palestinian-woman/amp

resignation of US Srate dept. official.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231205-resigned-us-state-department-official-reveals-details-of-child-rape-case-in-israeli-prison-calls-for-accountability/amp/

subhuman - deputy major of Jerusalem
https://x.com/LexiAlex/status/1793658940712169599?t=Q5El-t7wwMhuL-CARyC85Q&s=19

6th time of asking

are Israel animals and should they be wiped from the face of the planet whitey?

No and No

There would be no war in Gaza were it not for the actions of Hamas on 10/07

They acted like animals, (gang raping,
Kidnapping and murdering teenage girls) and are now using their own people as human shields.

Israel will stop short of nothing less than the complete destruction of Hamas and unfortunately Hamas have put their own civilians in the middle

firstly there us no evidence of gang rape, and they are not using their people as human shields.

there is evidence over many years that Israel has raped, kidnapped (they have caged 2.2m in gaza) and murdered alot more teenage girls  amd this was all prior to Oct 7th. there has been plenty of wars in gaza, protective edge and cast lead are two where thousands women and children were murdered by Israel.

there would be no resistence to occupation without the occupation and Israel is responsible for the occupation. I could go on about Israel allowing funding for Hamas to split the palestinans or that it was Israeli funds that helped establish Hamas bit to show how Israel is responsible but I'd be wasting my time with you.

like the Israelis you are happy to dehumanise Palestinians.

you are holding Israel ( who are right now committing a genocide) to a very different standard to Hamas and should be careful as holding Israel to a different standard can be considered anti semitic or maybe that argument is only used if you criticise Israel.

6th time of asking

are Israel animals and should they be wiped from the face of the planet whitey?

whitey post 2990 and post 3017.. still waiting on an answer..

Here is a times if Israel article on Hamas offering long term ceasefire from 2015.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-offers-long-term-ceasefire-in-exchange-for-end-of-blockade/amp/

We know Hamas offered to release all non combatant hostages in early October but Israel rejected it as it included not entering Gaza.

Did you bother reading any of the comments

One example:

"Hamas wants a seaport and airport to receive weapons from Iran and other states and terrorist organizartions. Only a new Gaza with a democratic regime where the people are free can be trusted. Hamas cannot."

no, i didnt read the comments from random people, I read the article which stated among other things includes extremely moderate positions for Hamas, Hamas is interested in maintaining the quiet and Hamas is interested in improved relations with the international community, and would like to discuss with it all issues related to stability and international peace.

any chance you can answer the question asked of you twice be me and mentioned now 4 times which you are choosing to ignore

Here is a times if Israel article on Hamas offering long term ceasefire from 2015.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-offers-long-term-ceasefire-in-exchange-for-end-of-blockade/amp/

We know Hamas offered to release all non combatant hostages in early October but Israel rejected it as it included not entering Gaza.

local media were invited to film a reprimand of the Irish ambassador.

Israeli TV stations showed footage of the ambassador and counterparts being admonished yesterday.

would it not be futile to just roll over and let Israel continue to do what it was doing.

the great march was peaceful - look at oslo and the settlement expansions since it,  were they futile?

The palestinans have the peaceful BDS movement, you can see how the US/UK have tried to prevent it, you actually mocked me for boycotting Israeli goods yourself and said

i know you are they type of guy and wave a flag maybe not use Israeli products but that won't stop non combatants from being obliterated

You're fond of mocking so, if you are going to give it you have to take it

I would try not to initiate mocking but am only human, so i might have initiated on occasion (german exchange example) but i have no problem responding and no problem taking it. you might remember our exchange regarding Germany. 'touche'

How am i fond of mocking by the way? maybe I am but I don't think so.

It appears and I very much hesitate before putting words in your mouth but you effectively told me boycotting was futile (or is it just me doing it that is futile). so that arms resistence and peaceful boycott off the table now is it?

I don't understand what you expect palestinans to do while they wait another 75 years (keeping consistent with what wrote) for self determination while Israel has free reign to murder them.

would it not be futile to just roll over and let Israel continue to do what it was doing.

the great march was peaceful - look at oslo and the settlement expansions since it,  were they futile?

The palestinans have the peaceful BDS movement, you can see how the US/UK have tried to prevent it, you actually mocked me for boycotting Israeli goods yourself and said

i know you are they type of guy and wave a flag maybe not use Israeli products but that won't stop non combatants from being obliterated

There wasn't armed resistance by Palestinians over the last 75 years? Really?

I've edited the post to be clearer.

Sure its ok to miss quote, you have littered the thread with it

Well if NI is not comparable I haven't seen you knock anyone on here with their use of NI as a comparison

It will, like all wars end up around a table, the sooner they get there the more mothers will be alive, sons will grow to be adults and men will be able to go out and provide for their families

That is unfortunately a lot to do with what the Israelis do going forward. The US, UK and others will eventually sway to public demand and call a stop on their support.

Too late for the thousands that have lost their lives and continue to do so. Armed resistance won't cut it, if another similar Hamas attack happened again in the future be rest assured the same thing will happen again, like it has done for 75 years   

I have knocked using comparisons and try and avoid them myself..  I think I might have even mentioned it yesterday when I mentioned the Warsaw ghetto (posted at 12.45 yesterday) and its not the first time I mentioned it..

there wasn't armed resistence for (all) that 75 years and the Palestinians are still being murdered without consequence.

we are going around in circles..

should palestinans use all legal avenues to get self determination, including armed reistence?

if not, are you saying they need to wait and accept whatever faith comes ther way until Uk/US/EU decides the stop supporting Israel and then Israel also decides to take a difference approach to the last 75 years?

to be clear the faith that has come there way sees daily murders, 2.2m caged in Gaza, starvation, apartheid in Israel, and the west bank. And little or no sign of any chance of self determination.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-father-and-son-terrorists-admit-to-murder-and-rape-of-israeli-women-on-oct-7

Lovely individuals-very "heroic"

In his own words

"He shamelessly described raping a crying woman at gunpoint and leaving her without knowing her fate. Abdallah's confession revealed a more harrowing truth: his father killed the woman after multiple rapes by the terrorists, including himself and his cousin"

Where in the video do you hear his own words? You just believe this story, no questions asked?

whitey still ignoring the question I've asked twice...

HRW, Amnesty, UnRwa have said Israeli is using torture and to get coerced false confessions. UnRWa staff were tortured in order to stop aid.
These confessions were first shared on social media in December.

more lies like the UNRWA were involved in the resistence, then it was 12 member of UNRWA and no evidence was provided by Israeli to back up its lies.

israeli dialogue here again

In response to Spain's recognition of a Palestinian state and the antisemitic call by Spain's Deputy Prime Minister to not just recognize a Palestinian state but to 'liberate Palestine from the river to the sea,' I have decided to sever the connection between Spain's representation in Israel and the Palestinians, and to prohibit the Spanish consulate in Jerusalem from providing services to Palestinians from the West Bank. If this ignorant, hate-filled individual wants to understand what radical Islam truly seeks, she should study the 700 years of Islamic rule in Al-Andalus