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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 23, 2020, 04:28:45 PM »
remove that last comment... you'll have them all over to correct that!!!!

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 22, 2020, 08:53:22 PM »
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hospitals-trying-to-protect-non-covid-services-hse-boss-says-1024273.html

CMO says herd immunity concept is 'something that's reserved for policy thinking around vaccination' https://jrnl.ie/5241956


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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2020, 11:38:52 PM »
you posted "spotlight".. i saw it, i turned it on...so i didnt see it all. did it mention lockdown? i might if i get a chance watch it tomorrow. from the bit i did see it was health servixe failures due to reduced capacity due to the pandemic, not lockdown.

say for example hospital capacity is, 100 units can be completed a day. However, 110 capacity is required. Every day the backlog list grows by 10. Covid comes along and capacity reduces to 80 (due to infectious nature, staff reductions due to covid) and 120 capacity is now required due to covid cases) backlog goes by 40 per day.

lockdown helps reduce the 40 per day backlog as it reduces covid cases and increase capacity.

no lockdown means more cases which mean backlog increases.


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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2020, 11:21:44 PM »
i didnt see it all but i didnt see lockdown being called out as the cause. the health system was not meeting demand pre covid.. huge waiting lists... covid has made it worst... i didnt hear mention of lockdown in the section i listened too... it was all about what the pandemic had caused not what lockdown had caused...

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2020, 01:49:21 PM »
The "let it rip" merchants seem to have forgotten the awful scenes from Italy last spring, a Country which has a very good health service which was totally overcome as Covud was ripping.
They also overlook the fact that the restrictions lowered the rate of infection.
"Health Officials on a power trip".
Such a ludicrous comment straight from the Gemma school of right wing nut job fuckwittery.
The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

But sod them just "let it rip" and sure all will be fine.

It is a headline one would expect to see in the Sun, disproportionate and made with the only rational to get a reaction, it is quite pathetic that folk go down this route - there is no end game here - no vaccine will come to our aid, we have to learn to live with it, but you conclude that that means let it rip!

we tried living with it... numbers increased again after lockdown 1 so living with it is effectively lerting it rip or herd immunity approach..

if there is a successful way to live with it i am sure we wpuld all love to hear it and so would the governments of the world.

We tried living with it?

Cases increased.

0.11 are in ICU.

Sweden are living with it at present. Their 14 day incidence rate is currently much lower than the rest of Europe.

What happens next time we come out of lockdown? Numbers surge back up again and we lock back down again, how on earth is this a viable short term solution. Crossing our fingers and hoping a vaccine comes is not a viable solution, it's absolutely insane.

bery selective quoting.. you can speculate to back you your viewpoint but suddenly its all guesswork when i ask you to example your living wiyh covid approach... also you stidys and experts are trustworthy but any that disagree with your opinion is guesswork!!!

, i am glad  that in the above post you finally acknowledge that if we come out of lockdown cases will surge back up again, when we go back to living with covid.. i.e your approach...

so your apprich will continue  the surge and our health is not capable of dealing with. as for you social distanicng washing hands etc.. we are doing that now it hasnt worked as people dont adhere for a variety of reasons..

finally, there are things we can do to support people with dperession, suffers of addiction or  domestic violance etc. we did it before and it still presists and we can do more if there is a will either during or after lockdown.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2020, 12:46:48 PM »
The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

in relation to your daughter...March was a very differnet time and we werent as knowledgeable about covid... the aim is and should be for covid to effect other services as little as possible... this is not possible with numbers increasing... we already had wait lists etc. so health service is already strected and resources are limited and have always been limited...

But it isn't about the number of people getting Covid, it is about the number of people needing beds and that is very low, also my point is the Health System in the North anyways is closed for most and had been since March,  this media narrative of publishing figures daily I don't understand.

the more who have it, the more that need hospital treatment, the more that who need icu.....

Most won't need hospital treatment, less will need ICU, currently very few are getting any medial appointments - do you think that is proportionate?

but the numbers are increasing and will increase to a level where it cannot handle them or any other services if we continue to try and live with covid as we previously did

if the health service are not getting medical apts aove and beyond what is required for covid and expected covid then that is a failure on the health service not of lockdown. Lockdown reduces mumbers  of cases, numbers requiring hosilpital and numbers in icu.. it is then up to the health service to use that capacity appropriately.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2020, 12:26:24 PM »
The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

in relation to your daughter...March was a very differnet time and we werent as knowledgeable about covid... the aim is and should be for covid to effect other services as little as possible... this is not possible with numbers increasing... we already had wait lists etc. so health service is already strected and resources are limited and have always been limited...

But it isn't about the number of people getting Covid, it is about the number of people needing beds and that is very low, also my point is the Health System in the North anyways is closed for most and had been since March,  this media narrative of publishing figures daily I don't understand.

the more who have it, the more that need hospital treatment, the more that who need icu.....

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2020, 12:21:39 PM »
The "let it rip" merchants seem to have forgotten the awful scenes from Italy last spring, a Country which has a very good health service which was totally overcome as Covud was ripping.
They also overlook the fact that the restrictions lowered the rate of infection.
"Health Officials on a power trip".
Such a ludicrous comment straight from the Gemma school of right wing nut job fuckwittery.
The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

But sod them just "let it rip" and sure all will be fine.

It is a headline one would expect to see in the Sun, disproportionate and made with the only rational to get a reaction, it is quite pathetic that folk go down this route - there is no end game here - no vaccine will come to our aid, we have to learn to live with it, but you conclude that that means let it rip!

we tried living with it... numbers increased again after lockdown 1 so living with it is effectively lerting it rip or herd immunity approach..

if there is a successful way to live with it i am sure we wpuld all love to hear it and so would the governments of the world.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2020, 12:16:51 PM »
The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

in relation to your daughter...March was a very differnet time and we werent as knowledgeable about covid... the aim is and should be for covid to effect other services as little as possible... this is not possible with numbers increasing... we already had wait lists etc. so health service is already strected and resources are limited and have always been limited...

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2020, 12:03:38 PM »
what happens when the numbers increase to a level that the health system cannot handle? we have seen this in other countries. what happens to other health services as the number increase? what happens the mental health of those who lose loved ones or worst are responsible for giving covid to a loved one who dies.. 

no one on here has denied there are negative aspect of lockdown. No one thinks it a great solution but better than the alterntive taking everything into consideration. i doubt anyone is happy about it but this seems beyond your understanding its easier to start name calling...

I don't know.

It's all speculation, I don't see lockdown being a better alternative to living with the virus and that's from the data we are getting at present.

It's all ifs, buts and maybes but there are a certain cohort of posters on here who know as little as the next man who are displaying bizarre levels of arrogance with absolutely no knowledge on anything and they refuse to even look at the big picture and huge consequences lockdowns and excessive restrictions have on society.

I'd be very interested to see how Slovakia do with their mass testing, it's the most progressive approach I have seen any European country take yet.

you seem very happy to speculate on the outcomes of lockdown?  why is it so hard to speculate on your approach!! which also has a certain level of restrictions.. the arrogence seems to come from you not others.

the data shows increaing numbers of cases... surely you must consider the outcome of that to use your own words people "refuse to even look at the big picture and huge consequences"

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2020, 11:48:47 AM »
what happens when the numbers increase to a level that the health system cannot handle? we have seen this in other countries. what happens to other health services as the number increase? what happens the mental health of those who lose loved ones or worst are responsible for giving covid to a loved one who dies.. 

no one on here has denied there are negative aspect of lockdown. No one thinks it a great solution but better than the alterntive taking everything into consideration. i doubt anyone is happy about it but this seems beyond your understanding its easier to start name calling...

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2020, 10:16:29 AM »
failed strategy, what is yours still waiting days later... and how would it effect all those issues addiction, suicide, somestic violance. You are very accepting of expects opinions on these no so much on covid!!!

i hate to say this but just to use your logic, we live with suicide, we live with addictions and domestic violance.. what is your acceptable level for these?

do you understand that without action the numbers increase week on week and as the numbers increase there is increased risk for the most vulnerable cohort and also it would put untold pressure on the health system which will have knock on effects other health services leading to more issues again foe the vulnerable and sick.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 19, 2020, 09:10:11 PM »
I don't believe level 5 or level 6 or level 47 will make a blind bit of difference at this stage. There is no enforcement of level 2 or level 3. What happens after 6 weeks with no improvement?

now thats a topic worthy of discussion. what is possible after lockdown to help keep covid under control if anything. Doing the same is very very unlikely to work and maybe expecting social behaviour to change enough is also unlikely... anyone any ideas?

Enforce the rules?

not sure we are capable as a society of following the rules and not possible to enforce but we could do better  but not sure we would not be back in the same place agianst though.

logistically i dont think we could do a wuhan

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 19, 2020, 08:54:07 PM »
I don't believe level 5 or level 6 or level 47 will make a blind bit of difference at this stage. There is no enforcement of level 2 or level 3. What happens after 6 weeks with no improvement?

now thats a topic worthy of discussion. what is possible after lockdown to help keep covid under control if anything. Doing the same is very very unlikely to work and maybe expecting social behaviour to change enough is also unlikely... anyone any ideas?


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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 19, 2020, 08:12:55 PM »
it is, still havent got a straight answer either.. :'(

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