All Stars 2022

[marty34]

There are never 15 nailed-on all-Stars. They always horsetrade over the last few.

Since 2010 there have been an average of 4.6 Allstars awarded to non-finalists. The lowest was 2 in 2017 and
the highest was 7 in 2010.

Do you know how many went to non finalists and non semi-finalists Seafoid?

I will have a go tomorrow. It seems to be a function of the final.  There were 4 in  2010

Good stuff, thanks.

[STREET FIGHTER]

I'd say Chrissy McK gets one....nailed on...

Rodgers should....has been incredible......but after the Galway game not so sure now....

McCluskey should but wont....he's been absolutely brilliant....

Not sure on others....Glass...McGuigan etc....cannot see it...

[Ed Ricketts]

There are never 15 nailed-on all-Stars. They always horsetrade over the last few.

Since 2010 there have been an average of 4.6 Allstars awarded to non-finalists. The lowest was 2 in 2017 and
the highest was 7 in 2010.

Do you know how many went to non finalists and non semi-finalists Seafoid?

I will have a go tomorrow. It seems to be a function of the final.  There were 4 in  2010

Good stuff, thanks.

It's 14 over the 12 years.

So an average of about one a year. If a quarter finalist is to pick up an award this year then I'd suggest most would expect it to be a player from Armagh - the only county that didn't get tanked in their quarter final.

That one All Star is probably between Rafferty and O'Neill.

But the final could change things. Poor quality and/ or one sided finals can reduce the losing finalist's allocation, which in turn allows an award or two to filter down the order. Someone like Eoin Cleary could be a wildcard in that scenario.

[seafoid]

There are never 15 nailed-on all-Stars. They always horsetrade over the last few.

Since 2010 there have been an average of 4.6 Allstars awarded to non-finalists. The lowest was 2 in 2017 and
the highest was 7 in 2010.

Do you know how many went to non finalists and non semi-finalists Seafoid?

Seo duit. The patterns are interesting

2010 final Cork 4 Down 4 Semis Tyrone 1 Kildare 2 Others  Louth Kerry Sligo Dublin all 1 each

2011 Final Dublin 6 Kerry 4 Semis Donegal 3 Mayo 1  Others Kildare 1

2012Final Mayo 4 Donegal 8 Semis Cork 2 Dublin 1 Others 0

2013 Final Dublin 6 Mayo 4 Semis Tyrone 1 Kerry 2 Others Monaghan 2

2014 Final Kerry 5 Donegal 4 Semis  Dublin 3 Mayo 3 Others 0

2015 Final Dublin 7 Kerry 4 Semis Mayo 2 Tyrone 1  Other Monaghan 1

2016 Final Dublin 6 Mayo 4 Semis Tipperary 1 Kerry 1 Others Tyrone 2 Donegal 1

2017 Final Dublin 7 Mayo 6 Semis Kerry 1 Tyrone 1 Others 0

2018 Final Dublin 7 Tyrone 2 Semis Galway 1 Monaghan 3 Others Kerry 1 Donegal 1

2019 Final Dublin 7 Kerry 4 Semis Tyrone 2 Mayo 1 Other Donegal 1

2020 Final Dublin 9  Mayo 2 Semis Cavan 3  Tipperary 1 Others 0

2021 Final Tyrone 8 Mayo 3 Semis Dublin 3 Kerry 1 Others 0

[Manning18]

interesting that Shane Walsh hasn't been mentioned by anyone...at start of year if you had said Galway would be in a final most folk would've assumed he'd be a shoein for an Allstar... what is wrong with the lad considering the ability he has?
His non contribution from play on sat and his melt down in last few mins v Armagh are his biggest moments to date..  a massive final could swing one for him..

Did you watch the Connacht final? Its one of the standout performances of the season. He was good from play v Armagh bar that moment at the end. Well marshalled the last day alright

[Manning18]

As much as I love Rian o Neill, he might struggle to get in. At the moment Clifford, Comer and Kilkenny are nailed on forwards with P.Clifford and O'Se being very likely. Depends how the final goes, if Walsh or Finnerty have good games they'll probably get in as the last one but equally Galway could be comfortably beat and RON gets that spot

[marty34]

There are never 15 nailed-on all-Stars. They always horsetrade over the last few.

Since 2010 there have been an average of 4.6 Allstars awarded to non-finalists. The lowest was 2 in 2017 and
the highest was 7 in 2010.

Do you know how many went to non finalists and non semi-finalists Seafoid?

Seo duit. The patterns are interesting

2010 final Cork 4 Down 4 Semis Tyrone 1 Kildare 2 Others  Louth Kerry Sligo Dublin all 1 each

2011 Final Dublin 6 Kerry 4 Semis Donegal 3 Mayo 1  Others Kildare 1

2012Final Mayo 4 Donegal 8 Semis Cork 2 Dublin 1 Others 0

2013 Final Dublin 6 Mayo 4 Semis Tyrone 1 Kerry 2 Others Monaghan 2

2014 Final Kerry 5 Donegal 4 Semis  Dublin 3 Mayo 3 Others 0

2015 Final Dublin 7 Kerry 4 Semis Mayo 2 Tyrone 1  Other Monaghan 1

2016 Final Dublin 6 Mayo 4 Semis Tipperary 1 Kerry 1 Others Tyrone 2 Donegal 1

2017 Final Dublin 7 Mayo 6 Semis Kerry 1 Tyrone 1 Others 0

2018 Final Dublin 7 Tyrone 2 Semis Galway 1 Monaghan 3 Others Kerry 1 Donegal 1

2019 Final Dublin 7 Kerry 4 Semis Tyrone 2 Mayo 1 Other Donegal 1

2020 Final Dublin 9  Mayo 2 Semis Cavan 3  Tipperary 1 Others 0

2021 Final Tyrone 8 Mayo 3 Semis Dublin 3 Kerry 1 Others 0

Thanks.

[oakleaflad]

As much as I love Rian o Neill, he might struggle to get in. At the moment Clifford, Comer and Kilkenny are nailed on forwards with P.Clifford and O'Se being very likely. Depends how the final goes, if Walsh or Finnerty have good games they'll probably get in as the last one but equally Galway could be comfortably beat and RON gets that spot

Shane McGuigan didn't have a great day out the last day but was the top scorer in the Ulster championship and then hit 1-08 in the QF including 1-07 from play. I reckon he could be in with a shout too.

[nrico2006]

interesting that Shane Walsh hasn't been mentioned by anyone...at start of year if you had said Galway would be in a final most folk would've assumed he'd be a shoein for an Allstar... what is wrong with the lad considering the ability he has?
His non contribution from play on sat and his melt down in last few mins v Armagh are his biggest moments to date..  a massive final could swing one for him..

Did you watch the Connacht final? Its one of the standout performances of the season. He was good from play v Armagh bar that moment at the end. Well marshalled the last day alright

Walsh got a point from play against Armagh, hardly an elite return.

McGuigan hasn't stood out in any games, unless you want to include a mismatch versus Clare. Out of interest, anybody got Walsh and McGuigans returns from play in their championship matches this years?

[An Fhairche Abu]

There have been players that have been on the presumed shortlist for POTY after the semi-final stage that didn't even get an All Star after how badly the final went for them. The final will dictate how many All Stars every county gets including those counties who aren't even playing on the 24th.
I don't think that's as equitable system as it should be but it's how it works every year.

[square_ball]

Walsh got a point from play against Armagh, hardly an elite return.

McGuigan hasn't stood out in any games, unless you want to include a mismatch versus Clare. Out of interest, anybody got Walsh and McGuigans returns from play in their championship matches this years?

From a quick tally up, McGuigan in 5 matches has scored 2-28 of which 1-13 was from play (1-7 of this in the Clare match). Walsh in 5 matches has scored 1-27 of which 1-6 was from play.

I do think if Galway win and Walsh has a very good game he will get an all star as thats just the nature of the all star selection policy.

[nrico2006]

Walsh got a point from play against Armagh, hardly an elite return.

McGuigan hasn't stood out in any games, unless you want to include a mismatch versus Clare. Out of interest, anybody got Walsh and McGuigans returns from play in their championship matches this years?

From a quick tally up, McGuigan in 5 matches has scored 2-28 of which 1-13 was from play (1-7 of this in the Clare match). Walsh in 5 matches has scored 1-27 of which 1-6 was from play.

I do think if Galway win and Walsh has a very good game he will get an all star as thats just the nature of the all star selection policy.

Thanks. From the stats, neither player has set the world alight.  But you are right, a good performance in the final will probably get Walsh one; it's a certainty if he plays well and Galway win.

[Manning18]

interesting that Shane Walsh hasn't been mentioned by anyone...at start of year if you had said Galway would be in a final most folk would've assumed he'd be a shoein for an Allstar... what is wrong with the lad considering the ability he has?
His non contribution from play on sat and his melt down in last few mins v Armagh are his biggest moments to date..  a massive final could swing one for him..

Did you watch the Connacht final? Its one of the standout performances of the season. He was good from play v Armagh bar that moment at the end. Well marshalled the last day alright

Walsh got a point from play against Armagh, hardly an elite return.

Is it all about scoring return though? For example in extra time he drove down the cusack side, beat his man and got dragged back, and kicked the free from near the sideline. That doesn't show up as a score from play would but is more impressive than the vast majority of scores from play. He was involved in a goal aswel in a classic situation of Armagh over-commiting players to him as he drew such attention and he could lay the pass over their heads. I do think his talent should deliver more from play than the last day anyway but circumstances have to be taken into account also. He plays deep as a runner and Comer/Finnerty are the out and out forwards

[Cunny Funt]

interesting that Shane Walsh hasn't been mentioned by anyone...at start of year if you had said Galway would be in a final most folk would've assumed he'd be a shoein for an Allstar... what is wrong with the lad considering the ability he has?
His non contribution from play on sat and his melt down in last few mins v Armagh are his biggest moments to date..  a massive final could swing one for him..

Did you watch the Connacht final? Its one of the standout performances of the season. He was good from play v Armagh bar that moment at the end. Well marshalled the last day alright

Walsh got a point from play against Armagh, hardly an elite return.

McGuigan hasn't stood out in any games, unless you want to include a mismatch versus Clare. Out of interest, anybody got Walsh and McGuigans returns from play in their championship matches this years?

Walsh has scored 1-6 from play in this years championship 1-3 of that came in the Connacht final which probably says more about the loose defending of Roscommon who in the next game conceded big against Clare and made Keelan Sexton look like All Star the same Sexton who failed to score against Derry and was subbed off 2nd half.

Shane Walsh more than capable of turning it on from play in the final especially if Kerry get match ups wrong.

[ONeill]

It's an imperfect system so they might include Rian O'Neill elsewhere.

Last year they got it wrong with Kennedy over Kilpatrick and McGeary over Meyler for POTY.