Tyrone v Armagh - Ulster Championship 2009

[rootthemout]

believe alot of the guys who "walked"did so before squad was due to be cut,jp was at training last nite i was told.

[ArmaghGAAforum]

I tend not to read in to all this discontent talk.  I remember all rubbish talk that was said about tyrone at times even last year and I firmly believe the conspiracy theory's in this thread will be found mostly as rubbish...................I hope!

[DuffleKing]

You 'know' they walked, as do quite a few on this board and others. When questioned about how you know you refer to 'a very good authority' - in other words, your mate sent you a text or some bullshit. A whole pile of complete and utter shite being written on this thread, but then again we wouldn't be Irish if we didn't like a good gossip.

As I've already stated, lads like Neil O'Rourke and Barry McDonald were never likely to get anywhere near a championship team no harm to them. They are lads that were only retained from the McKenna Cup panel because we were missing 7 or 8 guys out with Cross and injury. Once the Cross guys and lads like Toner and Donaghy, who had been injured, returned the services of those 6 or 7 retainees were no longer needed. FFS Barry McDonald and Mal Mackin have been playing in the McKenna Cup for us for years now before usually being dropped well before the championship. I suppose you can add lads like Gareth Smyth to your list of 'walkers'  

On Paddy McKeever - I wouldn't be surprised if he was dropped, however its more likely that he was given a hint or two that he wasn't much needed this year and decided to go out of his own accord. McDonnell obviously doesn't fancy him, he used him very sparingly last year and despite having him available, he only used him as a sub once or twice in this year's McKenna Cup. Too many miles on the clock I'm afraid, and plenty of significantly younger players capable of offering just as much at the minute.

I asked one of the players. He says its haywire at the minute.

Fair enough if you think those players are not good enough but who are you to decide? There's something wrong when so many players are walking at the same time. Gareth Smyth should indeed have been on that list.

Nice of you to stick the boot in paddy McKeever when you haven't the faintest idea why he left the panel.

[illdecide]

Lads all of you are quick to jump on here with the slightest piece of gossip and no-one knows if it's true or not...just believing the guy who told you so. As for asking a county player do you really think he's gonna tell you the truth of whats going on in fact in reading all this crop over the last week i actually believe Armagh are trying to send a few (false) SOS's trying to let the rest of Ulster that Armagh football is in Turmoil. I would be right and friendly with an ex county player (only retired in the last 2 years) and he would not have told you anything about how things were going or team selections, infact he wouldn't even tell his own brother...

I do actually believe if county men are telling guys things about "All's not well in the camp" that it's a ploy and i certainly won't be believing any of the crop wrote here over the last week

[rionach 4]

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We have the team to compete against Tyrone . No doubt it will be difficult and our display in Cork doesnt bode well. That display however can have two effects . It can galvanise and motivate us as to the task in hand or in can drive us futher down and back to where we were pre.99. Pre 99 Is not an option we have good enough players coming through to keep us up there .
Peter Mc Donell and the management need all the encouragement they can get. Not slated . There are people who are only waiting for him to fall (if in their minds he has already).  An Ulster title in his first year wasnt good enough. Yes we did fall flat against Wexford. We have acheived the best position in  our league since 2005. Anybody who was in Navan this time last year walked out of the ground muttering the same sentiments being expressed after the Cork game .
Yes I do believe people have the right to criticise and express their opinion but some of what is being said is way overboard. There may well be stories floating about concerning players leaving etc but I know this is not the case. Some individuals may be unhappy but we have 37 of a panel and it has to be cut so obviously some are going to be unhappy.
David Mc Kenna has not appeared near the county since Cross's defeat. Thats his choice  , pity but thats his choice . I would hope and I do have some inkiling that Paul Mc Keown may be added to the panel and in my opinion an excellent move . This lad is our next Andy Mallon. Peter was waiting until after the u-21's before making any decision on it and I hope he includes him . However for him to be included someone has to go . If DavidMc Kenna is named then someone else loses out and therein you can see the dilema faced by management.
I fimly believe that if we hold tight this year get over our retirements ,  losses etc which are pyscological as well as footballing . We do have an interseting line up. Paul McKeown  Paul Kernan Andy Mallon the full back line . With Aoran kernan/David comiskey K Mc Keever and Brendy Donaghy the half back line  Charlie and Keiran in the middle . Forward line of stevie, Ronan ,Ryan henderson  Tony Kernan Stephan Forker Martin Orourke  add Kevin O Rourke shane Carrol . Maybe not this year but in the very near future this team will be up there with the best. I firmly believe this  This is a diificult period in our transition . The two Brians built this team out of the ashes of 1995(Athletic grounds Derry) J oe inherited the  team and did well. Peter is in an unenviable position .
He needs our support not our criticism. Yes lets voice our opinion but not outrageuos bigoted staements brought about by our club loyalties to ceratin players etc.(While understandable not the thing to do) I certainly dont agree with everything Peter has done but he is the manager and will be until the end of the year at least, and then we  can all make up our minds.
I wish them all the best and I for one will be roaring my head of against the old enemy  Come on lads "into the valley of Death rode 600" Lets go for them.

[under the bar]

I'd heard Aaron Kernan had left the Armagh panel but it turned out it was only for a wash, cut and blow dry.

[fan01]

recently heard that micheal o'rourke has left the armagh panel due to back room team disliking him. he wasn't dropped and never got a fair chance this year. can mcdonnell answer this?

[Ping Pong Santa]

recently heard that micheal o'rourke has left the armagh panel due to back room team disliking him. he wasn't dropped and never got a fair chance this year. can mcdonnell answer this?

[fan01]

i wonder was McDonnell and his back room team at the dromintee v mullabawn game tonight. did they get any answer from it..?

[full back]

We have the team to compete against Tyrone .

I honestly dont think we have

In reality we have no more than 5 players that would make the Tyrone team

[The Iceman]

Enquired re the JP leaving rumour and was told he hasn't left at all.

Getting a bit carried away lately on this thread. 

Maybe some of the Ogs boys could comment on this but I heard JP walked......
Any word on which of the O'Rourkes left? I heard it was Aidan but you never know.....

[red hander]

We have the team to compete against Tyrone .

I honestly dont think we have

In reality we have no more than 5 players that would make the Tyrone team

Wanna name them FB?

[pearseog]

We have the team to compete against Tyrone .

I honestly dont think we have

In reality we have no more than 5 players that would make the Tyrone team

Wanna name them FB?

in tryones team i would have andy mallon kieran mckeever ronan clarke!
im taking into account the position of each player so aaron kernan isn't there beacause phillip jordan and davy harte would be there before them!

[Throw ball]

Pearseog you are being very tough on Armagh. I am sure Mickey Harte would love to be able to pick Aaron Kernan, Stevie McDonnell and Charlie Vernon or Ciaran Toner as well. Armagh's keepers would be every bit as competent as Tyrones. IMO Kernan would be ideally suited to Tyrone's style of play and Stevie McDonnell would still get on any team in Ireland. Vernon or Toner would make a good partner for McGinley. Also this time last year not too many would have tipped Tyrone to do as well as they did.
If we reverse the question. How many Tyrone players would you definitely put on the Armagh team. There are fitness doubts over O'Neill and Dooher. Mulligan has not been the same player in the last couple of years. Brian McGuigan has sadly not returned to previous levels. Tommy McGuigan and McCullough are good players but could they play Armagh's system. In defence Gormley is probably a cert but many of the rest are good in the system adopted by the manager but individually would not suit Armagh. Davy Harte for example is a great player but would not get as much chance to attack if he played for Armagh. Would want Cavanagh and McGlinley on my team every day. Most of all, however, would love to see what Mickey Harte could do with Armagh.
As a final thought - MOR would make a good replacement for Dooher. Would be some crack in training with him and McMenemin!

[The Pundit]

Enquired re the JP leaving rumour and was told he hasn't left at all.

Getting a bit carried away lately on this thread. 

Maybe some of the Ogs boys could comment on this but I heard JP walked......
Any word on which of the O'Rourkes left? I heard it was Aidan but you never know.....

not this crap again...