Provincial affiliation

Started by corn02, September 24, 2008, 01:40:22 PM

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corn02

How strong is yours. I felt no need to support Tyrone because they were from Ulster, but the majority did. There seems to be a strong affiliation amongst Ulster teams, I just don't see the reason for it. It is not as if we come out in force willing Ulster to win the Railway Cup.

Views?

5 Sams

I have very strong views on this....


Why oh why should people from Ulster support whatever Ulster team is in Croke Park....I'm from Down...I have supported Down all my life, still do and always will....when it comes to county football I have have no grĂ¡ for any other county...yes I admire some others but nobody else comes into the equation when it comes to roaring them on in an AIF. End of story.....would a Kerry man get behind Cork in Croker....or would a Meath man shout for the Dubs....not a f**king chance.
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naka

to be fair I think its a 6 county thing rather than a ptrovincial thing, I think nationalists from the north like to see their fellow kinsmen do well against teams from the 26 counties " partition and all that"
supported tyrone on sunday supported down in 91 and 94 as well as derry, but true allegiance would only be to the orchardcounty
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BallyhaiseMan

Its not just a 6 county thing,

Every Cavan supporter i know would support an Ulster team in the latter stages against teams from other provinces.(Maybe Monaghan being the exception  ;) )
i supported Tyrone on Sunday, as i believe Kerry have won more than enough,
However for me thats more than enough for Tyrone to win,
we dont want them challenging the magical number of 5 held by Cavan and Down  ;)

Billys Boots

Yeah, I've noticed this partisan thing only happens in Ulster - everywhere else people use different criteria to favour teams in the latter stages of the championship.  I truly believe that for (say) a Tyrone-Sligo AI Final, all the supposedly neutral Ulster folk would support Tyrone (whether they'd admit it or not), even if they hadn't had a nark with Seanie.  :P
My hands are stained with thistle milk ...

T Fearon

I think this very much depends on the history/ rivalry between your own county and the county involved and arrogance of rival team supporters. I took no joy in seeing Tyrone win on Sunday (thats not to say that Harte isn't a great manager or that they are not an excellent side) but I remember things like the failure of the Tyrone team to accord the customary welcome given to the then All Ireland Champions, in Omagh in March 2003,  Jordan getting Marsden sent off in 2003 etc, the crowing done after they got  asoft free to win the AI Semi Final oin 2005. What gets me most is the fickleness of the Tyrone supporters who deserted the side largely for the qtr final tie with Dublin, and would have had Harte removed instantly after the defeat by Down this year.

Similarly I can't be doing with Down crowing about 5 Sams either.

I suppose if any of the other 6 counties in Ulster appeared in an AI Final I would give them my support and would certainly like to see them win

Goats Do Shave

Quote from: naka on September 24, 2008, 01:55:13 PM
to be fair I think its a 6 county thing rather than a ptrovincial thing, I think nationalists from the north like to see their fellow kinsmen do well against teams from the 26 counties " partition and all that"
supported tyrone on sunday supported down in 91 and 94 as well as derry, but true allegiance would only be to the orchardcounty
s

Defo not a 6 county thing!

The Ulster team is normally, yes normally, the underdog!

I loved watching Donegal win the All Ireland, Derry too. Monaghan's advances of recent times too!

I supported Tyrone also, because I have a lot of good friends from there, not to mention my woman.

lynchbhoy

maybe its because of the recent 'oppression' etc that the 6 counties have endured that has banded us together - and our near neighbours and provincial colleagues  too whohave shared or had a closer view of our 35 years plight!

I have been brought up to support all our provincial teams even the tyronies !

Looks like plenty of others have also. I think the 'troubles' plus the pathetic record of ulster teams in the championship outside of the ulster championship pre-qualifier times is the reason for this provincial backing.
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Hardy

Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 24, 2008, 02:31:32 PM
maybe its because of the recent 'oppression' etc that the 6 counties have endured that has banded us together

Years of oppression could be the clue OK. It would also explain why the likes of Louth and Westmeath hate us!

corn02

Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 24, 2008, 02:33:17 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 24, 2008, 02:08:29 PM
I think this very much depends on the history/ rivalry between your own county and the county involved and arrogance of rival team supporters. I took no joy in seeing Tyrone win on Sunday (thats not to say that Harte isn't a great manager or that they are not an excellent side) but I remember things like the failure of the Tyrone team to accord the customary welcome given to the then All Ireland Champions, in Omagh in March 2003,  Jordan getting Marsden sent off in 2003 etc, the crowing done after they got  asoft free to win the AI Semi Final oin 2005. What gets me most is the fickleness of the Tyrone supporters who deserted the side largely for the qtr final tie with Dublin, and would have had Harte removed instantly after the defeat by Down this year.

Similarly I can't be doing with Down crowing about 5 Sams either.

I suppose if any of the other 6 counties in Ulster appeared in an AI Final I would give them my support and would certainly like to see them win
So, the two Brians...

Quite a bit of difference there. Now you could say so, Joe Kernan as many, myself included, often called for his head on here. That would be more similar.

Candyman

I was supporting Tyrone because:

(1) My club-mate Collie Holmes was playing
(2) I hate that c*nt Spillane and couldn't wait to see what he had to say on the sunday game....

;D

T Fearon

Bummer what is this fixation with the two Brians? One of them lives beside me and I see him every day and will tell him there is a Tyrone geek who is obsessed with him.

There is no analogy between M Harte and the two Brians. M Harte had won one real All Ireland and one back door All Ireland yet there was practically universal clamour for his removal after the Tyrone defeat by Down this year.

The two Brians won two Ulster Championships and had failed (unluckily) in two All Ireland semi finals, hence the clamour (mainly from S Armagh) for their heads.

As I said no comparison whatsoever

J70

Quote from: naka on September 24, 2008, 01:55:13 PM
to be fair I think its a 6 county thing rather than a ptrovincial thing, I think nationalists from the north like to see their fellow kinsmen do well against teams from the 26 counties " partition and all that"
supported tyrone on sunday supported down in 91 and 94 as well as derry, but true allegiance would only be to the orchardcounty
s

Wouldn't necessarily see it as a strictly six-county thing. Down through the years, most people I knew in Donegal shouted for the Ulster team in the AI semis and (occasionally) final. Maybe there was a bit rooting for the underdog, but most people were also hoping for "one of their own" to do well, particularly as none of us made an impact on the national stage for so long.

Great Leap Forward

I am an Antrim man and I always would shout for the Ulster team. This may because Antrim's lack of success in football in recent times has left us without a bitter rival, apart from Derry for people who live in the country, and Down for the Belfast people in the county.

I was shouting my head off for Tyrone on sunday, the same way as I did for Down, Donegal, Derry and Armagh in the past.

I did however see people from Derry and Armagh shouting like hell for Tyrone, while one the other hand I saw ones from Down and Donegal shouting at the top of their voices for Kerry. It was quite surreal.

I did think Ross Carr made himself look a right dick on TV on Saturday night.

red hander

Quote from: T Fearon on September 24, 2008, 02:43:34 PM
Bummer what is this fixation with the two Brians? One of them lives beside me and I see him every day and will tell him there is a Tyrone geek who is obsessed with him.

There is no analogy between M Harte and the two Brians. M Harte had won one real All Ireland and one back door All Ireland yet there was practically universal clamour for his removal after the Tyrone defeat by Down this year.

The two Brians won two Ulster Championships and had failed (unluckily) in two All Ireland semi finals, hence the clamour (mainly from S Armagh) for their heads.

As I said no comparison whatsoever

'there was practically universal clamour for his removal after the Tyrone defeat by Down this year'. BULLSHIT   The people calling for Mickey's head were a small minority, the same sort of people who abused his son when he played for the county. The Irish News had a front page plug jumping to its 'off the fence' column at the time (it may even have used the word clamour)... when you turned to read all about this 'clamour' it amounted to TWO phonecall to the IN calling for MH's head  ... TWO!    The vast majority of Tyrone fans backed MH after the Down games, this, afterall, was the man to who had brought us two All-Irelands (now three, which is TWO more than youse have) ...