Sam Maguire / Anglo Celt

[heineken_on_tap]

Well the basis is that it is 2 days after the AI and any other Ulster team didnt win it, Tyrone did. The basis of my assumption earlier in the year was the other Ulster teams were not strong enough. So I have a major advantage making my point now.

No I said I personally at the start of the year gave Monaghan a good chance. Others would of tipped other teams and I have no issue with that but I didnt fancy Armagh, Donegal, Derry to go the distance. In saying that I would not have backed against them winning Ulster.

[The GAA]

I give up

[heineken_on_tap]

Good lad, always better when ur wrong

[The GAA]

Its written front of you how you opened the agument, based on assumtions and your opinions (which cetainly mean little to me). when someone responds i kind, based on opinion, you dismiss it because "Sure it is all if, buts and maybes at this stage".

Do you even remember what your argument is?

[cornafean]

Martin Breheny made the point recently that the teams Armagh beat in the Ulster Championship this year (Cavan, Down & Fermanagh) were placed at 8th, 6th and 7th among the Ulster contenders at the start of the Championship. Maybe this puts their loss to Wexford in perspective.

[heineken_on_tap]

The GAA, relax there will ya I took exception to one thing you said, it is in bold below

Armagh would have beaten dublin in a similar manner to tyrone. if they'd not gone to sleep against wexford it'd have been some semi with tyrone.

IMO this is an obnoxious, arrogant statement. Tyrone players admit that it was a perfect performance against the dubs, days like that i.e. when you destroy the opposition don't come along very often. Your opinion that Armagh would of done the same is extremely optimistic

[nrico2006]

I think that analysis of armagh is fairly lazy lads. armagh were far superior to wexford on that day but missed a glut of scoring chances and fell to a sucker punch goal.

I wouldn't have put much money on armagh (who'd have been going into the game as ulster champs and unbeaten) losing to tyrone. fellow ulstr teams have a better understanding of how to deal with the tyrone gameplan than dublin, kerry, etc.

I agree with the above in the sense that they were comfortable against Wexford for 63/64 minutes until the goal, then Wexford hit a purple patch at a critical stage.  I don't think Armagh would have beat Tyrone though, no fluency in their side this year or last year for that matter. 

[armaghniac]

Armagh could have rattled Dublin's cage. We beat Dublin well in the league, at the time everyone said that Dublin weren't bothered etc, but the suspicion remains that Dublin were vulnerable to a team that was up for it. That said Armagh would not have beaten Tyrone in the form they were in against Dublin.

[The GAA]

The GAA, relax there will ya I took exception to one thing you said, it is in bold below

Armagh would have beaten dublin in a similar manner to tyrone. if they'd not gone to sleep against wexford it'd have been some semi with tyrone.

IMO this is an obnoxious, arrogant statement. Tyrone players admit that it was a perfect performance against the dubs, days like that i.e. when you destroy the opposition don't come along very often. Your opinion that Armagh would of done the same is extremely optimistic

so now you change what you meant

[sammymaguire]

I would rate the top 10 teams in Ireland as follows;

1. Tyrone 12
2. Kerry 11
3. Cork 10
4. Armagh 9
5. Monaghan 8
6. Galway 7
7. Derry 6
8. Dublin 5
9. Mayo 4
10. Fermanagh 3
11. Wexford 2
12. Donegal 1

Controversial I know, most would put Wexford, Kildare, Laois, Meath etc ahead of Fermanagh/Mayo but I still reckon this more or less the top 12 and with that in mind, putting it into points;

Ulster 39
Munster 21
Connacht 11
Leinster 7

[heineken_on_tap]

The GAA, relax there will ya I took exception to one thing you said, it is in bold below

Armagh would have beaten dublin in a similar manner to tyrone. if they'd not gone to sleep against wexford it'd have been some semi with tyrone.

IMO this is an obnoxious, arrogant statement. Tyrone players admit that it was a perfect performance against the dubs, days like that i.e. when you destroy the opposition don't come along very often. Your opinion that Armagh would of done the same is extremely optimistic

so now you change what you meant

What have I changed exactly?

[Gnevin]

I would rate the top 10 teams in Ireland as follows;

1. Tyrone 12
2. Kerry 11
3. Cork 10
4. Armagh 9
5. Monaghan 8
6. Galway 7
7. Derry 6
8. Dublin 5
9. Mayo 4
10. Fermanagh 3
11. Wexford 2
12. Donegal 1

Controversial I know, most would put Wexford, Kildare, Laois, Meath etc ahead of Fermanagh/Mayo but I still reckon this more or less the top 12 and with that in mind, putting it into points;

Ulster 39
Munster 21
Connacht 11
Leinster 7

What have Derry done recently to merit such as high ranking? And Donegal,Wexford what have they done this decade?

[gorm agus bui]

Sure it is all if, buts and maybes at this stage. Ultimately Armagh were not good enough this year.

Spot on. Realistically it will be a while before they challenge for a second Sam.
More likelihood of us getting our 6th

[armaghniac]

What have Derry done recently to merit such as high ranking?

League champions perhaps? Donegal too won the League recently.

[imtommygunn]

Sammy that top ten is ridiculously biased.

Why would Westmeath not be in it either?

Kildare beat Fermanagh?

What have Armagh or Derry done to be above Dublin?(or Monaghan for that matter)

Mayo also should be higher.