2008 Ulster Club Championships

[corn02]

Its great to see that Indiana is aghast at "incidents" going unpunished.

I am sure he was utterly disgusted at the leniency shown to Ciaran Whelan over the years.

Jesus what is allthis tit-fot-tat stuff. SNeill, Whelan etc.

Bellew should have been suspended, it couldn't have gone either way and thew Cross fans would admit that easily too. The UC stood by the referee and maybe should be admired for that. As for Cross, take any advantage you can get.

As for Francie being wronged? Hmm trying to think. The 2006 quarterfinal against Kerry is the only one that stands out.

[mackers]

Its great to see that Indiana is aghast at "incidents" going unpunished.

I am sure he was utterly disgusted at the leniency shown to Ciaran Whelan over the years.

Jesus what is allthis tit-fot-tat stuff. SNeill, Whelan etc.

Bellew should have been suspended, it couldn't have gone either way and thew Cross fans would admit that easily too. The UC stood by the referee and maybe should be admired for that. As for Cross, take any advantage you can get.

As for Francie being wronged? Hmm trying to think. The 2006 quarterfinal against Kerry is the only one that stands out.

He was given a red card against Donegal in a replay in 2005 and had it rescinded because Maurice Deegan sent him off by mistake.

[corn02]

Its great to see that Indiana is aghast at "incidents" going unpunished.

I am sure he was utterly disgusted at the leniency shown to Ciaran Whelan over the years.

Jesus what is allthis tit-fot-tat stuff. SNeill, Whelan etc.

Bellew should have been suspended, it couldn't have gone either way and thew Cross fans would admit that easily too. The UC stood by the referee and maybe should be admired for that. As for Cross, take any advantage you can get.

As for Francie being wronged? Hmm trying to think. The 2006 quarterfinal against Kerry is the only one that stands out.

He was given a red card against Donegal in a replay in 2005 and had it rescinded because Maurice Deegan sent him off by mistake.

You know I can't recall that at all to be honest. But there is two so far, we're going well. 

[corn02]

So the reverse of the 03 semi-final then? 

Oh yes, did Mackin play at full-forward that day and had a decent game?

[armaghniac]

Whatever Donegal's style of play their discipline leaves a lot to be desired. They lost the cool in that game.

Oh yes, did Mackin play at full-forward that day and had a decent game?

Was that the game where Mackin made a well timed pass to Stevie for a goal? His best game.

[mackers]

Its great to see that Indiana is aghast at "incidents" going unpunished.

I am sure he was utterly disgusted at the leniency shown to Ciaran Whelan over the years.

Jesus what is allthis tit-fot-tat stuff. SNeill, Whelan etc.

Bellew should have been suspended, it couldn't have gone either way and thew Cross fans would admit that easily too. The UC stood by the referee and maybe should be admired for that. As for Cross, take any advantage you can get.

As for Francie being wronged? Hmm trying to think. The 2006 quarterfinal against Kerry is the only one that stands out.

He was given a red card against Donegal in a replay in 2005 and had it rescinded because Maurice Deegan sent him off by mistake.

You know I can't recall that at all to be honest. But there is two so far, we're going well. 

It was back in 2006 and I think it was a replay on a Saturday evening. Was a very strange game alright, first time I'd encountered Maurice Deegan and he was shocking. In fairness he's improved vastly since, but he was totally incapable of controlling a football game back then. Armagh were hammering Donegal out of sight and in the last 10 mins Donegal started to get pissy and violent. People who were there will back me up on this, at one stage there were 4 Armagh players on the deck in need of treatment after off the ball hits. Donegal were very lucky to finish with 12 men, and although Francie was given the line he was subsequently exonerated. Yet if you read the 'first thing' tread all you get for Armagh is dour, muscles, aggressive, etc and for Donegal its flair, style, blah, blah. Moral of the story: if you get a name for being an early riser, you can knock seven bells out of someone and people will still think you're a great fella, and vice-versa

Yea that's the game alright, but I thought it was 2005, we beat Donegal in the Ulster final in CP in 06 I think. But the rest of your points are well made, especially about the "first thing" thread.

[TacadoirArdMhacha]

Its great to see that Indiana is aghast at "incidents" going unpunished.

I am sure he was utterly disgusted at the leniency shown to Ciaran Whelan over the years.

Jesus what is allthis tit-fot-tat stuff. SNeill, Whelan etc.

Bellew should have been suspended, it couldn't have gone either way and thew Cross fans would admit that easily too. The UC stood by the referee and maybe should be admired for that. As for Cross, take any advantage you can get.

As for Francie being wronged? Hmm trying to think. The 2006 quarterfinal against Kerry is the only one that stands out.

He was given a red card against Donegal in a replay in 2005 and had it rescinded because Maurice Deegan sent him off by mistake.

You know I can't recall that at all to be honest. But there is two so far, we're going well. 

It was back in 2006 and I think it was a replay on a Saturday evening. Was a very strange game alright, first time I'd encountered Maurice Deegan and he was shocking. In fairness he's improved vastly since, but he was totally incapable of controlling a football game back then. Armagh were hammering Donegal out of sight and in the last 10 mins Donegal started to get pissy and violent. People who were there will back me up on this, at one stage there were 4 Armagh players on the deck in need of treatment after off the ball hits. Donegal were very lucky to finish with 12 men, and although Francie was given the line he was subsequently exonerated. Yet if you read the 'first thing' tread all you get for Armagh is dour, muscles, aggressive, etc and for Donegal its flair, style, blah, blah. Moral of the story: if you get a name for being an early riser, you can knock seven bells out of someone and people will still think you're a great fella, and vice-versa

Yea that's the game alright, but I thought it was 2005, we beat Donegal in the Ulster final in CP in 06 I think. But the rest of your points are well made, especially about the "first thing" thread.

Must have been 2005, we went on to play Derry in the Ulster semi final. Francie was sent off for nothing as I remember. Did it finish 14 men v 12? I've always held the view that Francie has been harshly treated over the years in terms of fouls against and yellow cards, the Kerry game being a major example.

[TacadoirArdMhacha]

Whatever Donegal's style of play their discipline leaves a lot to be desired. They lost the cool in that game.

Oh yes, did Mackin play at full-forward that day and had a decent game?

Was that the game where Mackin made a well timed pass to Stevie for a goal? His best game.

Wasn't sure Mal was starting much that year so dug out the programmes. He's listed as a sub for both the drawn match and the replay. But now I think of it, I do remember a good pass for a goal against Donegal in Clones so that must have been the year. Either Mal came on or was a late replacement in the starting line up. It was 2006 though that he had a run of games in the starting XV.

[mackers]

Its great to see that Indiana is aghast at "incidents" going unpunished.

I am sure he was utterly disgusted at the leniency shown to Ciaran Whelan over the years.

Jesus what is allthis tit-fot-tat stuff. SNeill, Whelan etc.

Bellew should have been suspended, it couldn't have gone either way and thew Cross fans would admit that easily too. The UC stood by the referee and maybe should be admired for that. As for Cross, take any advantage you can get.

As for Francie being wronged? Hmm trying to think. The 2006 quarterfinal against Kerry is the only one that stands out.

He was given a red card against Donegal in a replay in 2005 and had it rescinded because Maurice Deegan sent him off by mistake.

You know I can't recall that at all to be honest. But there is two so far, we're going well. 

It was back in 2006 and I think it was a replay on a Saturday evening. Was a very strange game alright, first time I'd encountered Maurice Deegan and he was shocking. In fairness he's improved vastly since, but he was totally incapable of controlling a football game back then. Armagh were hammering Donegal out of sight and in the last 10 mins Donegal started to get pissy and violent. People who were there will back me up on this, at one stage there were 4 Armagh players on the deck in need of treatment after off the ball hits. Donegal were very lucky to finish with 12 men, and although Francie was given the line he was subsequently exonerated. Yet if you read the 'first thing' tread all you get for Armagh is dour, muscles, aggressive, etc and for Donegal its flair, style, blah, blah. Moral of the story: if you get a name for being an early riser, you can knock seven bells out of someone and people will still think you're a great fella, and vice-versa

Yea that's the game alright, but I thought it was 2005, we beat Donegal in the Ulster final in CP in 06 I think. But the rest of your points are well made, especially about the "first thing" thread.

Must have been 2005, we went on to play Derry in the Ulster semi final. Francie was sent off for nothing as I remember. Did it finish 14 men v 12? I've always held the view that Francie has been harshly treated over the years in terms of fouls against and yellow cards, the Kerry game being a major example.

Francie's sending off was a case of mistaken identity, in fairness a Donegal man had been hit (nearly sure it was Enda McNulty) and Deegan who had lost the plot at that point assumed it was Francie and sent him off!! In fairness to Donegal it was getting to the stage where they were sick looking at Armagh and they should've beaten us the first day. Think Malachy came on as a sub that night to give a good pass to Stevie, Peadar Toal came on as a sub that evening too.

[pintsofguinness]

Pints was that the time Jarleth had to shepherd the referee into his car and yes had a good batin at him too.  Plenty of these incidents seem to  follow youse guys around alright. 

No, I'm afraid taht only happened in southarmaghbandit's head. 

[Throw ball]

In that 05 match I believe that Paddy McKeever was also sent off - rightly so in his case! Also I think it was Phillip Loughran who committed the foul Francie was sent off for. As for Francie getting treated unfairly I think we could also add his yellow card against Wexford this year when he got one for walking on Forde's shadow!

[seanaglis]

In my opinion its a testimony to Crossmaglens brilliance the amount of begrudgers they have, especially from their neighbours (other clubs in armagh as well as those from down). They cannot be highly commended enough for their hunger, skill as footballers and determination to win.

Ballinderry have noone to blame but themselves for their ulster final defeat. Donal Murtagh said last week that if the opposition wants to come out and play football we will play football. If they want to mix it, we have the boys to mix it.

If they had came out and played football they would have stood a better chance of beating cross. The fact they came out looking to niggle, pull, drag and dive just played into cross's hands.

St. Vincents showed last year that if first time ball is played into the full forward line, cross can be vulnerable. Ballinderry wanted to play dinky cross field balls which meant that cross's defence had time to swarm the forward in possession.

It looks set for a cross v kilmacud final. That would be one to look forward to

[bennydorano]

St. Vincents showed last year that if first time ball is played into the full forward line, cross can be vulnerable. Ballinderry wanted to play dinky cross field balls which meant that cross's defence had time to swarm the forward in possession.

It looks set for a cross v kilmacud final. That would be one to look forward to

Very true, in Armagh this year Harps and Ogs made their FB line look very vulnerable by playing in quick early ball.  Bellew was cleaned at FB in both games.  Their regular corner back was missing to be fair.

[gander]

But bellew has been playing in the half back line ever since, playing well too.  I think their FB line is a lot better now than it was even a few months ago and imo they would be fit for the quick ball in.

[drici]

Ulster Senior Football Final Replay:

Crossmaglen Rangers 0-12     (P McKeown 0-1, A Kernan 0-1, M McNamee 0-2, J Clarke 0-1, J Murtagh 0-1, O McConville 0-5, K Carragher 0-1)

Ballinderry                1-04     (J Conway 0-1, C Gilligan 0-2, M Harney 0-1, J Bateson 1-0)