2008 Ulster Club Championships

[orangeman]

Any word of were the game will be played?
Who is in line to Ref it?

Pat Mc Enaney 

[Maximus Marillius]

Ulster Championship 2008 2 games

Cross have scored 0-24, Ballinderry 1-31.  ballinderry obviously have a better score rate.

Ulster Championship 2006 4 games Cross scored 3-39,  Average 12 points per game.  Ballinderry played 3 games, scored 1-33, average 12 points per game.

Ulster Championship 2007

3 games scored 4-23 average 12 points per game, St Galls played 3 1-30 average 11 points. 

i picked the two teams that Cross played in the Finals to compare and the scoring stats are very similar. 

In those two years the best one off score was by Cross against Mullahorn of 2-13.  Gelnullin and Ballinderry both hit 1-15. 


We scored 1-14 in the 2000 AI Final v Na Fianna, 2-13 in the 1997 Final, 13 points against Crokes in the 2006 replay. 

The game that is played in October and November is not about winning with big scores and flowing football.  It is all about the team who make the least mistakes and takes as many opportunities as possible.  There are rarely big scores and 12-13 points generally win games.  The way the game is played is that if you can prevent a team from scoring a goal, and score 13 points you iwll win most games in the Ulster Club.  That is why Cross are so good.  they generally do not give away goals cheaply and the defence is normally fairly strong.  Ballinderry will test it to its limits but I would have no fear going into the game, only respect.

BC the stats dont lie. I guess it all depends on the brand of football you like to see and thats boils down to a personal preference. Cross play a very measured brand of football. It doesn't mean that one is better or worst than the other. The bit in bold is what its always about.

[ONeill]

Sunday 23rd November (2.30pm):

AIB Ulster Intermediate Football Club Championship Semi Final:

Erne Gaels v Trillick at Brewster Park, Enniskillen                     Ref: A McAlynn ( Derry )

[crossfire]

Under the bar, what skilful club are you from.??

[under the bar]

I'll give you a clue... we've met Cross 4 times in Ulster you've never come out on top

[TacadoirArdMhacha]

OK, I've seen them play 3 or 4 Ulster clubs games, reminded me a bit of Carickmore in their grinding, defensive style.  Weren't great spectacles TBH, albeit they were all on wet days. 

can you point out the last time Cross played in high scoring game of championship football. For instance B'derry hit 17 pts. I follow alot of footy and that included the Cross. They just haven't done that!! Answers on a stamp please.

This critism is a bit silly guys. Their results would suggest that they score on average 12-13 points a game in the Ulster and AI series, about average if for football at this time of year so I don't really see where the problem is. Very few teams will run up totals of 16/17/etc from November-March considering conditions. Some people's preconceptions of Cross probably come about due to the fact that they only see them play 2 or 3 matches a year on TV in the depths of winter.

This year seems to be following a very similar pattern to 2006 where Cross were scraping through by a few points and Ballinderry were running up big 15+ points totals. If its in any way a mucky day in 2 weeks Ballinderry will really have their work cut out because nobody knows how to play winter football better than Cross.

When you see Cross playing on a hard sod in the Summer months, it very clear that they are well playing of playing very attractive football. To be honest, if the Ulster club was played during the Summer, I'd say they'd have won at least as many, and possible even more, Ulsters.

[mackers]

I'll give you a clue... we've met Cross 4 times in Ulster you've never come out on top

Love this one that Errigal Ciaran throw up from time to time.......yes ye won fair and square in 1998/99??? but the other 3 matches happened in 2002 when the Armagh championship was run off in the space of about four weeks and when you did eventually put away the Cross team in a 2nd replay in was something like Cross's 7th match in 8 weeks..... yes it's a mighty claim to fame!!!

[brokencrossbar1]

Fair play to Errigal, they did beat us in 2 fixtures. We were never in the game in 1997.  We were flat out that day as we had been playing from January 1996 to Oct 1997 without a break and without a lose in any game. We simply didn't have it that day.  As regards the the 2002, we coud have won it in Omagh, probably should have, but once again they got us on the bounce and beat us fairly.  It was a pity though that they couldn't go the whole way to Croke Park either year as they were a decent side.

[under the bar]

Fair play to Errigal, they did beat us in 2 fixtures. We were never in the game in 1997.  We were flat out that day as we had been playing from January 1996 to Oct 1997 without a break and without a lose in any game. We simply didn't have it that day.  As regards the the 2002, we coud have won it in Omagh, probably should have, but once again they got us on the bounce and beat us fairly.  It was a pity though that they couldn't go the whole way to Croke Park either year as they were a decent side.

Our best chance was in 1994 when Nemo beat us in extra-time of the semis and then went on to trounce Castlebar in the final. 

[brokencrossbar1]

You should have beaten Dungiven in 1997.  I recall watching them before we played and I'll be honest was thinking that we could handle them in the Final.  Lost sight of what was important that day.

[screenexile]

You should have beaten Dungiven in 1997.  I recall watching them before we played and I'll be honest was thinking that we could handle them in the Final.  Lost sight of what was important that day.

Ah yes another infamous Canavan/McKeever battle that day which McKeever won on that occasion. In fairness Dungiven were a good side with a lot of quality back then... don't start lynchbhoy on this topic though or you're in for a long one!

[Doire abú]

Was Brolly not taken of injured very early that day as well? I could be wrong though.

[Maximus Marillius]

You should have beaten Dungiven in 1997.  I recall watching them before we played and I'll be honest was thinking that we could handle them in the Final.  Lost sight of what was important that day.

Ah yes another infamous Canavan/McKeever battle that day which McKeever won on that occasion. In fairness Dungiven were a good side with a lot of quality back then... don't start lynchbhoy on this topic though or you're in for a long one!

LB will tell how crap this Dungiven team was and only for a 28/29 year old player manager who has won nothiong since, they would have won nothing. Not a glead.

[amigo]

You should have beaten Dungiven in 1997.  I recall watching them before we played and I'll be honest was thinking that we could handle them in the Final.  Lost sight of what was important that day.

Ah yes another infamous Canavan/McKeever battle that day which McKeever won on that occasion. In fairness Dungiven were a good side with a lot of quality back then... don't start lynchbhoy on this topic though or you're in for a long one!

LB will tell how crap this Dungiven team was and only for a 28/29 year old player manager who has won nothiong since, they would have won nothing. Not a glead.

True!! But you forgot to say that they all were alcos as well, making the achievemnt even greater 

[ONeill]

You should have beaten Dungiven in 1997.  I recall watching them before we played and I'll be honest was thinking that we could handle them in the Final.  Lost sight of what was important that day.

Ah yes another infamous Canavan/McKeever battle that day which McKeever won on that occasion. In fairness Dungiven were a good side with a lot of quality back then... don't start lynchbhoy on this topic though or you're in for a long one!

Canavan was only half the man he had been owing to a fairly innocuous challenge the year before against some team in green.