Armagh Club football & hurling

corn02 · January 22, 2009, 04:47:01 PM

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 22, 2009, 04:34:56 PM
I have watched a number of county teams training, at a fairly high level and trust me, I did harder, more intense training than they did 10 years ago! I am not making it parochial just to get a dig at Dromintee. The reality is that Cross players have played consistently at a higher level over the last number of years than any other average club player in Armagh. Consequently they have reached a level of game fitness and strength that other players will not have reached. Coupled to the confidence that winning brings, I would argue that they would find it easier to adapt to county footballers than others. As I said tehre are better footballers than some of the players mentioned, but good footballers don't always make the cut for a variety of reasons.

Corn you can isolate individual games all you like and pick out instances where palyers get a roastimg, but I have seen skinny have more good games than bad and I feel that him coming back into the defence for Cross was a significant factor during the Ulster campaign. As regards JD, I don't think he would be a stand out player at county level the way he is at club, but I also don't think he would look out of place.

As for the Dromintee defence being better than Cross, fair enough, but I reckon that results would show differently.

Results wouldn't really show different because a match is won by defenders, forwards and midfielders, so you can't just use results to say Cross have a better defence. By the way I am not saying Dromintee do, I am just saying there is very little between them and it is usualt Coss' better forward department that proves the difference.

Now I agree with you when they say they have played at a higher level and have, therefore, got to a new level, my point was that I would argue that they "do more work" than other club players.

Of course Skinny has had more good games, in fact, he is usually excellent as are most Cross defenders, I am just showing they are not infalible and being from Cross doesn't mean they would succeed. I haven't even said I don't think Skinny would be good enough, I would be willing to reserve judgment. A lot of people, myself included, jumped the gun re: SK, so I am more passive and will wait and see. That said, at the moment, I could not see him being a Championship player and I think his namesake is a much betteer prospect.

The JD point was an example of a Cross player not making a mark when he played county, it happens every club team. Arguably he is better player now, but we can only go on his county career.

Mickey McNamme is a weird one. Anyone who saw him at underage or for the Abbey would have saw him as a nailed on future county player, then he just went off the radar. But this year he is back with a bang and who knows what will happen. He will almost certainly egta run in the league.

bennydorano · January 22, 2009, 04:50:12 PM

Quote from: AFS on January 22, 2009, 04:05:54 PM
Guys I don't know where yous are getting Toner at FB from. McDonnell has never played him in there from what I can remember, not even when they were with the U21s. On the other hand McDonnell has nearly always played Donaghy at FB. Its a no-brainer for me what way it'll work out- Donaghy at FB, Toner at midfield if they both play.

He has played FB at U21, in fact did he not start at FB last year v Donegal in Ballybofey and move out to MF or vice versa? I think his lack of pace could be exposed at FB(or CHB) moreso than at MF, but I really do think a fit David McKenna will start v Tyrone and Toner will be in the mix somewhere.

corn02 · January 22, 2009, 05:00:00 PM

Quote from: bennydorano on January 22, 2009, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: AFS on January 22, 2009, 04:05:54 PM
Guys I don't know where yous are getting Toner at FB from. McDonnell has never played him in there from what I can remember, not even when they were with the U21s. On the other hand McDonnell has nearly always played Donaghy at FB. Its a no-brainer for me what way it'll work out- Donaghy at FB, Toner at midfield if they both play.

He has played FB at U21, in fact did he not start at FB last year v Donegal in Ballybofey and move out to MF or vice versa? I think his lack of pace could be exposed at FB(or CHB) moreso than at MF, but I really do think a fit David McKenna will start v Tyrone and Toner will be in the mix somewhere.

Pretty sure he started full back against Derry in Casement, struggled I think if I can rememeber.

gander · January 22, 2009, 05:02:47 PM

I'm nearly sure he played CHB for the U21s, he was always named at FB for some reason but switched with Donaghy at the start.

mountainboii · January 22, 2009, 05:13:56 PM

Quote from: corn02 on January 22, 2009, 05:00:00 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 22, 2009, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: AFS on January 22, 2009, 04:05:54 PM
Guys I don't know where yous are getting Toner at FB from. McDonnell has never played him in there from what I can remember, not even when they were with the U21s. On the other hand McDonnell has nearly always played Donaghy at FB. Its a no-brainer for me what way it'll work out- Donaghy at FB, Toner at midfield if they both play.

He has played FB at U21, in fact did he not start at FB last year v Donegal in Ballybofey and move out to MF or vice versa? I think his lack of pace could be exposed at FB(or CHB) moreso than at MF, but I really do think a fit David McKenna will start v Tyrone and Toner will be in the mix somewhere.

Pretty sure he started full back against Derry in Casement, struggled I think if I can rememeber.

Who are we talking about here, Toner or Donaghy? I'm on about Toner, sounds like you guys are on about Donaghy

bennydorano · January 22, 2009, 05:29:01 PM

i was talking about toner anyway.

Smokin Joe · January 22, 2009, 08:47:32 PM

Quote from: bennydorano on January 22, 2009, 05:29:01 PM
i was talking about toner anyway.

Donaghy was full back against Donegal in Ballybofey.

Goats Do Shave · January 23, 2009, 07:56:49 AM

Toner started Centre back for the U21s in the Ulster final (Last time they won...) in Omagh. James Lavery & Paul COurtney started midfield, with Charlie in wing forward.

corn02 · January 23, 2009, 09:10:19 AM

Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 23, 2009, 07:56:49 AM
Toner started Centre back for the U21s in the Ulster final (Last time they won...) in Omagh. James Lavery & Paul COurtney started midfield, with Charlie in wing forward.

But I think Toner started full-back against Derry in the semi. He was ran ragged by someone, who now casting my mind back, could have been one Enda Lynn?

corn02 · January 23, 2009, 09:11:04 AM

Vernon getting some praise off our neighbours, our midfield answer.

Congrats to my fellow clubman Aidan O'Rourke, who seems to be doing a great job.

bennydorano · January 23, 2009, 09:20:33 AM

Quote from: Smokin Joe on January 22, 2009, 08:47:32 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 22, 2009, 05:29:01 PM
i was talking about toner anyway.

Donaghy was full back against Donegal in Ballybofey.

I was talking about the U21 championship last year.

mackers · January 23, 2009, 01:43:36 PM

I hear Justin McNulty is to be the new Ogs manager.

bubbles · January 23, 2009, 02:07:52 PM

ogs management has not been chosen yet for this forthcoming year. this is a committee decision although i have heard that he is one of the candidates

Hank Everlast · January 23, 2009, 04:03:47 PM

are they not deciding the nite?

mountainboii · January 23, 2009, 10:12:11 PM

Guys, anyone hear any word on the injury that Joe Feeney picked up the other night? It would be a pity if it was serious, he'd be due a few league run outs if he's fit.