Jerome Ousted?

[lynchbhoy]

sorry maguire - your two posts and point would be valid or relevant if I was looking for like-for-like or full games to be shown on telly.
I'm not.
I am simply looking for a few highlights from a couple of games per week during the 5 or 6 months per season showing club championship games from throughout Ulster or the north of Ireland counties.
minoroty 'sports' are shown (except Hurling), soccer is shown - so the other majority sport should surely get some airtime during club championship season.
getting results from teletext or sources like GaaBoard is not adequate. Thats real head in the sand stuff from the bbc.

tony- the tribunal didnt have to pove much- only that it showed GAA. not difficult to squirm out of Jeromes correct accusations !

[T Fearon]

lb, I think you are proving that you are deluded. I will keep on contending that gaa accounts for the major single portion of the bbc sports output nowadays. If you think jerome's grievances were legitimate you truly are deluded. Remember the tribunal concluded that he was an unreliable witness, you know what that means. Time to let it go on this, you've well and truly lost the argument. I've  already said that the BBC does show snippets of important club games.

[lynchbhoy]

lb, I think you are proving that you are deluded. I will keep on contending that gaa accounts for the major single portion of the bbc sports output nowadays. If you think jerome's grievances were legitimate you truly are deluded. Remember the tribunal concluded that he was an unreliable witness, you know what that means. Time to let it go on this, you've well and truly lost the argument. I've  already said that the BBC does show snippets of important club games.

nice..slip down to insults and being patronising - a sure sign your argument doesnt stack up.

whatever about the Jerone case- and he lost it as he didnt retain proper evidence and as the bbc show full gaa matches- then its always going to have large 'airtime' stats to refute such allegations.  in reality there is less of a spread of Gaelic games shown.You obv dont comprehend this and swallow this bbc propaganda !

Anyhow I digress again -  the point is not that th bbc show snippets of important games, but to show a cross section of GAA club championship matches throughout the 5 or 6 months they are on during May/june - Oct/Nov  in the same manner they show 'highlights' of soccer matches (and they usually have bits from most soccer games).
Unless you can come up with something of note to highlight a bbc programme where they air Gaelic games club championships - that we have all missed, then please refrain from insults when you cant back up your arguments.
You know who I am , I am not taking the p**s unlike yourself, I am disappointed in you however with that kind of insulting response.

[imtommygunn]

LB I'm not sure what exactly you want - could you really justify them spending money on, for example, derry county semi-finals or say an antrim quarter final or the like? Only people within that county, or even within those clubs, give a crap about those. Where would you draw the line with what you want shown? League games, first round c'ship games?

I wouldn't entirely concur with your point about the ulster club. I follow whatever team comes out of my county in the ulster club. I am not that bothered about who wins finals in, no offense, say fermangh or tyrone and I'm sure they are likewise about antrim. The internal county championships and league games are local and the Irish league, Irish cricket league etc are national. That is fact.

Basically with the BBC you will get this:
- 8 televised games with usually 7 live and 1 deferred
- radio coverage of all of the national league and ulster club games.
- highlights on various league games and ulster club matches.

Now I wouldn't necessarily agree with Tony's point that the GAA gets the biggest coverage. Soccer gets live NI games and infinite coverage of Irish league matches and is probably ahead. Rugby could also be given the celtic league ulster matches are live.

I think what we have at present isn't bad. We would all love more however it is fair coverage.

I would again highlight my point that certain people within the BBC are very quick to highlight the bad points in matches and I hate this but in terms of coverage we have a decent amount.

It must be noted that Jerome Quinn helped a lot in moving the BBC here and we should be thankful for it. It is a pity that this whole debacle turned out as it did but unfortunately the man has no-one to blame but himself.

[T Fearon]

Lb, it certainly wasn't my intention to offend you and I'm genuinely sorry if I did. But most if not all other contributors to this thread share my opinion, that the GAA gets a fair coverage from the bbc nowadays.

Jerome's "grievance" would have been laughable had it not cost so much money and wasted so much time. He presented not one shred of evidence to support his spurious claims and the bbc were able to present reams of evidence in defence.

As someone else said, we'd all like more coverage (I'm sure every sports fan in every code would say the same) but resources are finite and there is a need to prioritise.

By the way Jim Neilly is the man responsible for bringing GAA on in the BBC. He was Head of Sport back in the day when live coverage first began two decades ago, and hats off also to people like the late Jackie Cummings, the BBC's sole GAA radio reporter back in the 1980s when their coverage was truly abysmal.

[T Fearon]

imtommygun, BBC doesn't cover as many soccer games live on tv as it does GAA games in any one year. Also for many Sundays in the year, GAA takes over the BBC radio airwaves for the entire afternoon, no other sport has its own radio programme (ie Saturday sportsound covers english and scottish soccer, motorcycling and other sports, though of course soccer predominates, but rugby takes preference here as well, when ever the Irish team is playing on Saturday afternoon).

I think it is irrefutable that GAA gets the lions share of bbc sports coverage

[lawnseed]

tony get a grip, its only a few years ago that evil edna the bbc were caught red handed dubbing crowd noise over match commentry to make it sound as if there were people at the game. be honest the only reason the our wee country crowd didnt want the maze stadium is because they'd look stupid standing in the corner of a 40,000 seater, and they took cold feet over the finanicial commitment knowing that they were going to default and the stadium would fall into the hands of the gaa the only ones who could pay for the place theyre a peewee sport not worthy of half the tv they get or the money we pay them out of our tv licence

[imtommygunn]

Tony if you accumulate all of the live GAA matches on TV, the radio broadcasts and the highlights and you do have a reasonable amount of coverage.

I wouldn't agree it gets more than soccer though. You have a lot more soccer competitions - you have international qualifying (for european or world cup) and friendlies, you have Irish league matches every weekend, you have the various cups associated with the Irish league and you have things like the milk cup. (which would also have several games). Based on that I think soccer probably has more coverage. NI games would also be on the radio would they not?

I would agree with most of what you say on all but that point. I do think soccer has more "national" competitions which gets it more coverage but I do think it has more coverage.

[Maguire01]

Tony if you accumulate all of the live GAA matches on TV, the radio broadcasts and the highlights and you do have a reasonable amount of coverage.

I wouldn't agree it gets more than soccer though. You have a lot more soccer competitions - you have international qualifying (for european or world cup) and friendlies, you have Irish league matches every weekend, you have the various cups associated with the Irish league and you have things like the milk cup. (which would also have several games). Based on that I think soccer probably has more coverage. NI games would also be on the radio would they not?

I would agree with most of what you say on all but that point. I do think soccer has more "national" competitions which gets it more coverage but I do think it has more coverage.

The BBC do not give live TV coverage to all NI soccer matches for qualifying tournaments, nevermind friendlies. And you don't have soccer every weekend - it has its closed season / quiet periods the same as GAA.

[Maguire01]

sorry maguire - your two posts and point would be valid or relevant if I was looking for like-for-like or full games to be shown on telly.
I'm not.
I am simply looking for a few highlights from a couple of games per week during the 5 or 6 months per season showing club championship games from throughout Ulster or the north of Ireland counties.
minoroty 'sports' are shown (except Hurling), soccer is shown - so the other majority sport should surely get some airtime during club championship season.
getting results from teletext or sources like GaaBoard is not adequate. Thats real head in the sand stuff from the bbc.

Why should it fall on the BBC to cover all levels of our sport? And if it does it for the GAA, why not go down to 'grassroots' level in soccer and every other sport?

tony- the tribunal didnt have to pove much- only that it showed GAA. not difficult to squirm out of Jeromes correct accusations !

Did you not read the judgement? Or do you just not believe it?

[saffron sam2]

The only way that Tony's contention can be proved or disproved is for the BBC to provide figures in relation to, for example:

- the money spent televising each sport.
- the time spent televising each sport.
- the criteria used to decide the above.

So far, despite a Freedom of Information request from Donagh, the BBC has been unwilling to do so. Why?

In the absence of such figures, perhaps Tony can provide his own.

[johnneycool]

PS Snippets from Antrim County NHL Games are shown regularly on both BBC and UTV, and what you see normally are games played against the backdop of empty terraces.

Yes the terraces will be empty in a 30K stadium during winter but the stand will have more people in it than watch Linfield any given saturday.

[T Fearon]

This argument is going round in circles. The fact is , imho, that the three major sports in the six counties, GAA, soccer and Rugby Union are well and fairly catered for by the BBC, and coverage of all three is prioritised at the highest level of each sport, so GAA club games do not feature prominently but then neither do Rugby club games or Junior soccer games.

An ex employee of the BBC took his argument to an Industrial Tribunal that GAA was discriminated against, the tribunal after weeks of listening to an considering the evidence, found not one shred of evidence to support his contention and in fact ruled him to be an unreliable witness. End of story.

[saffron sam2]

This argument is going round in circles. The fact is , imho, that the three major sports in the six counties, GAA, soccer and Rugby Union are well and fairly catered for by the BBC, and coverage of all three is prioritised at the highest level of each sport, so GAA club games do not feature prominently but then neither do Rugby club games or Junior soccer games.

Could you provide figures to back up your opinion, particularly in relation to the three points I outlined above?

An ex employee of the BBC took his argument to an Industrial Tribunal that GAA was discriminated against, the tribunal after weeks of listening to an considering the evidence, found not one shred of evidence to support his contention and in fact ruled him to be an unreliable witness. End of story.

No he didn't.  His argument was that he was discriminated against.

[6th sam]

imtommygun, BBC doesn't cover as many soccer games live on tv as it does GAA games in any one year. Also for many Sundays in the year, GAA takes over the BBC radio airwaves for the entire afternoon, no other sport has its own radio programme (ie Saturday sportsound covers english and scottish soccer, motorcycling and other sports, though of course soccer predominates, but rugby takes preference here as well, when ever the Irish team is playing on Saturday afternoon).

I think it is irrefutable that GAA gets the lions share of bbc sports coverage

I think the argument that Gaelic football gets considerable live coverage is fair.I don't think that this serves the GAA fraternity well however.The vast majority of people with genuine interest in the live game,will actually be there in person.There's an argument also that the increasing live coverage of games has affected the attendance and atmosphere at these games.The BBC live coverage tends to be mid afternoon for a few weeks over the summer months-from a GAA point of view this does not provide optimal promotion of our games.Personally,I would like to see a highlights programme throughout the year to include-McKenna cup,NFL,NHL and club championships.I would also like to hear more prominent GAA snippets on the TV/Radio sports bulletins.I think however that people should remember that it is not the BBC's job to promote GAA-rather it's the job of the PR department of the GAA,nationally,provincially and locally.
Local News bulletins are mainly dominated by English soccer-as if we don't get enough of that from UK BBC,ITV and RTE.This is simply because sports editors can access a plethora of information provided by Premiership clubs.
The weekly saturday highlights of Irish League,the coverage of IFA cup,league cup,Co Antrim shield throughout the year ensures local soccer is given reasonable coverage,and therefore promotion throughout the year.The local soccer fraternity also seem to do a good job promoting their games,by providing regular snippets for news programmes-perhaps this is an area the GAA could work on.Soccer clubs find it easier to secure lucrative sponsorship deals from businesses knowing that their billboard will be spotted on BBC, behind the goals at Seaview every 2nd Saturday.
I have no issue with other sports including Rugby,motorcycling,hockey,horse racing etc getting their fair share of coverage,but I do think improved GAA prominince on sports news bulletins,and a weekly highlights programme,would meet our needs better.