Jerome Ousted?

[lynchbhoy]

while rte are carp - they are consistent. They show all the major soccer, rugby, boxing as well as Gaelic games.
setanta and to a far lesser extent TV3 and TG4 show more lower level 'local' sports.

We can't really bring Setanta into the mix, can we? Is it not a pay to view sports channel?

at least in Dublin its not....

[lynchbhoy]

maguire and tony
while I appreciate your views on the bbc screening some gaelic football games and secondly they 'cant televise every sport' - I cannot accept you are comparing like for like.
if you do, then you will see that people are just unhappy that kiss-me-erse competitions and games like hockey league matches, motorbike 'races' (to me this isnt even a sport !!), cricket, local soccer etc can have some highlights but club hurling or football cannot - well until the bbc start showing snippets of action from a few selected CLUB championship hurling or football matches - then and only then will this be on a par with whatever else they are showing.

I'd like to see rte show more also (or TG4 etc) but thats another argument. Obv the bbc have a budget to film and broadcast local 'sports' - so they need to show more diverse range and include hurling and football as right now a dozen or so games broadcast doesnt equate to the amount of coverage over the other 9 months of the year that these other highlighted 'sports' get !
tony, you are not looking at the bigger picture as usual !

[lawnseed]

sending a reporter and tv crew to the canal court on all ireland final day to watch RTE is gaa coverage???                                  just been on ceefax no mention of gaa at all. just been on rte to get armagh club results on aertel and guess what they're all there every county including the 6 occupied ones where rte get no revenue.

[imtommygunn]

I would actually counter that argument by saying you are not comparing like for like...

The Irish league is the top soccer competition in NI. The ulster hockey league, or whatever it's called, is likewise. These competitions are representative of the top of those sports in NI.

The antrim, derry, tyrone, armagh etc county championships are not. The ulster club championship and the ulster championship are. Therefore these two competitions are equivalent to the Irish league and the ulster hockey league in different sports.

I don't in any way expect BBC to cover county finals. I would however expect them to cover ulster championship club and county.

They now do this. Club games are on radio live and county on tv live.

My big gripe would have been when they didn't do this. They did very much appear to be lacking in funds however the GAA did seem to be the first to go. They have upped their game significantly however.

They are still very quick to highlight rucuses in the GAA mind but if you compare like for like our games are getting coverage.

The BBC should be covering the top of each sport in NI. As per above argument they are.

[lynchbhoy]

we could get into that ITG but to some the ulster club championships are not important - well they are a bonus- the be all and end all is the county title for most apart from maybe st galls and cross !
I dont expect anything from div 2 league club games or below - but the top clubs imo are on a par skill level at least with these soccer teams (many of which are populated by intercounty GAA players when they feel so inclined to play soccer - most dont as it infringes on their football commitments) - anyhow the ulster club championship is only a couple of games - bolt that on the the dozen or so intercounty televised matches per season and you still are shy or 20 weekends !
maybe cricket, croquet, ifa soccer, tennis, hockey motorbikes, motor cars and rallying are of interest to varying amounts of people, but I can bet that there would be a consensus for televisation of Gaelic games - club championship match highlights -more than there would be for most of the other sports  with maybe the exception of the soccer !

if its equal televisation then it should be some other sports that get dropped not football or hurling. that they havent the money is pathetic excuse given they wont drop full coverage of soccer or limit the idiotic 'sports' like motorbikes or massively minority sports like hockey which has a following equal of crochet I'd imagine !

[Applesisapples]

maguire and tony
while I appreciate your views on the bbc screening some gaelic football games and secondly they 'cant televise every sport' - I cannot accept you are comparing like for like.
if you do, then you will see that people are just unhappy that kiss-me-erse competitions and games like hockey league matches, motorbike 'races' (to me this isnt even a sport !!), cricket, local soccer etc can have some highlights but club hurling or football cannot - well until the bbc start showing snippets of action from a few selected CLUB championship hurling or football matches - then and only then will this be on a par with whatever else they are showing.

I'd like to see rte show more also (or TG4 etc) but thats another argument. Obv the bbc have a budget to film and broadcast local 'sports' - so they need to show more diverse range and include hurling and football as right now a dozen or so games broadcast doesnt equate to the amount of coverage over the other 9 months of the year that these other highlighted 'sports' get !
tony, you are not looking at the bigger picture as usual !

Exactly!!

[T Fearon]

There is a huge motorbike fraternity North and South, as evidenced by the crowds at the NW 200 every year. As fasr as I'm aware the BBC show snippets of Club Finals and NFL games etc. I have not been presented with a clear intelligent argument yet to make me revise my opinion, which remains that GAA accounts for the single greatest portion of BBC sports output.

[lynchbhoy]

There is a huge motorbike fraternity North and South, as evidenced by the crowds at the NW 200 every year. As fasr as I'm aware the BBC show snippets of Club Finals and NFL games etc. I have not been presented with a clear intelligent argument yet to make me revise my opinion, which remains that GAA accounts for the single greatest portion of BBC sports output.

your own (non) argument is trying to drag in southern 'fans' to bump up northern biker fans !
club finals are not enough.
for parity and for proper GAA coverage, there should be the same kind of effort put in to broadcast snippets from a few selected club championship games from across the north of Ireland if not Ulster each week from May to November while club championships are on.
If minority sports can get weekly airtime, wy not Gaelic games.
so far you have not given any good reason why not !

[T Fearon]

The NW 200 is the largest single crowd attracting event in Ulster each year. On average the crowd at a GAA club match (barring a big Championship clash) is also miniscule. To follow the logic of your argument, the BBC should also then cover Tandragee Rovers versus Magherafelt Sky Blues in the Mid Ulster Senior Soccer league.

Do you disagree with me when I contend that  GAA  sports now account for the largest single part of the BBC sports output? Even more laughingly, do you think Jerome had a case or just a bruised ego?

[lynchbhoy]

The NW 200 is the largest single crowd attracting event in Ulster each year. On average the crowd at a GAA club match (barring a big Championship clash) is also miniscule. To follow the logic of your argument, the BBC should also then cover Tandragee Rovers versus Magherafelt Sky Blues in the Mid Ulster Senior Soccer league.

Do you disagree with me when I contend that  GAA  sports now account for the largest single part of the BBC sports output? Even more laughingly, do you think Jerome had a case or just a bruised ego?

....nw 100 is a SINGLE event ...

do tandragee rovers v magherafelt rangers get much of a crowd going to it or a large following?
those kind of games would equate to div 3 or even div 4 of most county leagues so while it might be nice the odd time to show highlights from a game from these sports 'lower' ranks, the fact remains that domestic soccer gets shown all season long and Gaelic games with bigger crowds and more support get nothing until the end of the provincial championship.
As yet I dont see any real reason for this non coverage of gaelic games throughout the championship months while balyclare comrades v chimney sweep corner gets 5 mins of 'highlights' shown....

[T Fearon]

I guess when it comes to fair allocation of finite resources, the BBC have to limit themselves generally to the top fixtures in each sport, regardless of crowd size. I would also think that the BBC allocates the largest share of its budget to the sporting high seasons in all codes (eg no soccer in the summer, little GAA in the winter, no motor biking at all before or after the North West etc) Also both BBC and UTV show snippets of big club championship/ colleges/university  games  regularly. I think you're grasping at straws here. I also think if the Ulster Council (or an independent media company) were to compile a half hour highlights programme each week, featuring GAA club action, that either BBC or UTV would be happy to buy if from them (if the price was right) and broadcast it.

Do you dispute my contention that GAA now accounts for the single biggest portion of the BBC's annual sporting output?

[lynchbhoy]

I guess when it comes to fair allocation of finite resources, the BBC have to limit themselves generally to the top fixtures in each sport, regardless of crowd size. I would also think that the BBC allocates the largest share of its budget to the sporting high seasons in all codes (eg no soccer in the summer, little GAA in the winter, no motor biking at all before or after the North West etc) Also both BBC and UTV show snippets of big club championship/ colleges/university  games  regularly. I think you're grasping at straws here. I also think if the Ulster Council (or an independent media company) were to compile a half hour highlights programme each week, featuring GAA club action, that either BBC or UTV would be happy to buy if from them (if the price was right) and broadcast it.

Do you dispute my contention that GAA now accounts for the single biggest portion of the BBC's annual sporting output?

it is yourself thats grasping at straws tony - you cannot see the wood from the trees obv.
if it was like for like coverage - even snippets of a handful of club champiosnsip games every week during championship season it would be better than the non coverage Gaelic football and Hurling currently get ! You forget Hurling btw !!

Post the stats on the sporting budget allocations and I will comment - though will this allow for infrastructural spend already in place in locations I wonder ?

[T Fearon]

If it was "like for like" coverage in your definition then we'd all be suffering from live transmission of Irish league soccer games, a fate worse than death!

I still contend that GAA accounts now for the largest single portion of the BBC's sporting output, and I think the BBC proved conclusively with hard evidence at the Tribunal that they did not discriminate against Gaelic Games or their employees who present Gaelic Games.

PS Snippets from Antrim County NHL Games are shown regularly on both BBC and UTV, and what you see normally are games played against the backdop of empty terraces.

[Maguire01]

we could get into that ITG but to some the ulster club championships are not important - well they are a bonus- the be all and end all is the county title for most apart from maybe st galls and cross !

That may be true for the people within the county. I couldn't care less who wins the county championship in most counties. I'm sure most people - even most GAA fans - are the same. Seeing the result online is adequate.

I dont expect anything from div 2 league club games or below - but the top clubs imo are on a par skill level at least with these soccer teams (many of which are populated by intercounty GAA players when they feel so inclined to play soccer - most dont as it infringes on their football commitments) - anyhow the ulster club championship is only a couple of games - bolt that on the the dozen or so intercounty televised matches per season and you still are shy or 20 weekends !

Skill levels?! What has that got to do with anything?!
So there might be 20 weeks in the year with no GAA coverage. Big deal. Every sport has quieter times of the year. GAA has plenty of coverage during the summer where there's little or no soccer or rugby coverage.

maybe cricket, croquet, ifa soccer, tennis, hockey motorbikes, motor cars and rallying are of interest to varying amounts of people, but I can bet that there would be a consensus for televisation of Gaelic games - club championship match highlights -more than there would be for most of the other sports  with maybe the exception of the soccer !

if its equal televisation then it should be some other sports that get dropped not football or hurling. that they havent the money is pathetic excuse given they wont drop full coverage of soccer or limit the idiotic 'sports' like motorbikes or massively minority sports like hockey which has a following equal of crochet I'd imagine !

Again, the BBC is not a commercial broadcaster. They have an obligation top cover minority interests - the things that the commercial broadcasters won't cover. If club GAA was of such interest to a large number of people, UTV should be over it like a rash. They aren't.

And whilst I have zero interest in motorsports, calling them 'idiotic' is pretty ignorant.

[Maguire01]

the fact remains that domestic soccer gets shown all season long

Really?
And how many live domestic soccer games are broadcast?

Gaelic games with bigger crowds and more support get nothing until the end of the provincial championship.

I don't understand this at all.

while balyclare comrades v chimney sweep corner gets 5 mins of 'highlights' shown....

I don't think i've ever seen a local soccer match get 5 minutes of highlights on the news. It's normally about 30 seconds. And it's almost exclusively from the 'premier' division games.