Jerome Ousted?

[T Fearon]

Surely the whole point of the Tribunal is a less formalised legal setting where individuals can argue their case on their own behalf if they choose without the need to hire legal assistance. Therefore you wouldn't need to be Petrocelli to argue your case, and most industrial disputes are straightforward enough to present, involving allegations of some form of discrimination or unfair treatment.

As I said before its too easy to raise a grievance and its effectively a non lose situation for the complainant. Tribunals wee hear any case to justify their existence

[johnneycool]

my problem is that on any saturday evening I can see the results on the news and even a wee snippet of Lisnagarvey playing Banbridge with one man and his dog watching, yet on the sunday evening i won't have a fuckin clue about any club championship games going on all over the north, hurling and football with thousands at them.

I might get a bit of coverage on a monday night if the Derry lads are pucking the heads off each other the previous day, but not too much if all was quiet on the melee front.

Who supplies the soccer coverage? I don't think the BBC have cameras at all of those local games.

Not all Irish league games are covered, i didn't say they were, just the big ones, and I'd bet they're BBC camera's

Does the GAA provide coverage to the BBC? Should they?

I'm assuming you're talking about the GAA recording their own footage or getting a third party to do it and giving the BBC access. Currently I'd say this is not the case however with all the rancour over the CCCC and video evidence they might need to look at this.

Should the BBC be covering club championship games? Where do you stop?

Well if they see fit to send camera's to a sporting event attended by 50 to 250 people then yes surely a club championship game with multiples more in attendance is equally merited


All I want is a results program on a sunday evening giving a run down of club and or National League results for the day like we get on the saturday for soccer, rugby and hockey.

Is that too much to ask?

[T Fearon]

Er, is there not only already, on local BBC Radio immediately after the 6pm Angelus and News?

[johnneycool]

Er, is there not only already, on local BBC Radio immediately after the 6pm Angelus and News?

It was the TV I was talking about.

[T Fearon]

Johnny in fairness to the BBC, Saturday is the big sporting day of the week in the North and in the larger island across the Irish Sea, and their local Saturday results programme is part of the overall Grandstand programme package, covering several sports, so its not going to be replicated on Sundays to accommodate one sport, due to cost issues etc.

The coverage given by local BBC to the GAA is excellent, through its various media, ie tv, radio and online. I do not see how any reasonable person could complain about this.

[Lecale2]

How would you know a reasonable man Tony?

[T Fearon]

I am the epitome of reasonableness and liberalism

[theskull1]

Somebody stop the world and let Tony off

[Applesisapples]

Hi Glensman,

The obvious solution to avoiding such costly proceedings is for BBC NI's coverage to be commensurate to the support that each sport receives locally.

Some small adjustment could be made to the formula to ensure that minority sports are covered.

To illustrate, imagine that, on a given date, there were two events, with 10,000 at an Ulster Club Championship gaelic football match, and 167 at Dungannon Swifts v Newry Town soccer match.

In a publicly funded media outlet, based on attendance figures, the gaelic match should get prominence as the lead story, and should receive 90% of available local NI sports broadcast time. The remaining 10% would cover the soccer match (generous considering it having a mere 0.016% of that day's spectators).

To date, BBC NI's coverage has not adhered to such simple reasoning. Having liaised with BBC NI on the matter, it appears that BBC NI hide behind opinion polls that say that soccer is NI's most popular sport and accordingly soccer should get prominence.

The key corrupting factor in BBC NI's reasoning is that they do not distinguish between English soccer and local NI soccer in the opinion polls used to direct editorial policy. If they did so, they would find that local NI soccer is of no interest to many who would follow English soccer. This lack of interest is confirmed by shockingly low attendance figures at NI soccer matches.  Moreover, actual attendance figures must surely be more accurate in gauging interest rather than opinion polls.

BBC NI need to be reminded that their remit is to cover local sport, and the scale and depth of local sport coverage should reflect interest in local, not English soccer. If they'd done that, they wouldn't have wasted an alleged  600k of public money.

Firstly Dungannon Swifts would get that big a crowd!! The point you are making though about attendance is correct. However lets Understand that the BBC is reporting on the basis that our wee province is a standalone Unionist State and whilst they don't mind throwing the Croppies the odd bone if you'll pardon the mixed metaphors equality is out of the question.
That said Jerome was clutching at straws.

[johnneycool]

Johnny in fairness to the BBC, Saturday is the big sporting day of the week in the North and in the larger island across the Irish Sea, and their local Saturday results programme is part of the overall Grandstand programme package, covering several sports, so its not going to be replicated on Sundays to accommodate one sport, due to cost issues etc.

The coverage given by local BBC to the GAA is excellent, through its various media, ie tv, radio and online. I do not see how any reasonable person could complain about this.

And Sunday is a big sports day of a very sizeable portion of the six counties I don't think it would be unreasonable to have a 10 minute slot on the TV for us who follow gaelic games and in particular hurling which in all probability has a bigger support and player base than mens hockey where cost doesn't seem to be an issue.

Radio Ulster is normally doing the rounds on soccer all day saturday yet we still get a results program on the TV at early evening.
Why should this not be replicated on the sunday??

[T Fearon]

Well logistically, it would be hard to collate scores of  GAA club results and broadcast these on a Sunday evening. I can't see myself even, waiting avidly in front of a tv screen on a Sunday eveing to see if Granemore had defeated Ballymacnab in an Armagh Div 2 game.

In terms of overall coverage (when you take into account the Championship and Colleges Finals, and time devoted on various news bulletins, radio and online etc etc) I'd say that GAA must now be at the top of or fairly close to the top, of the BBC's total sports output, and rightly so. It has taken a long time for this to happen.

[Hardy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kN15IZGeMg

[johnneycool]

Well logistically, it would be hard to collate scores of  GAA club results and broadcast these on a Sunday evening. I can't see myself even, waiting avidly in front of a tv screen on a Sunday eveing to see if Granemore had defeated Ballymacnab in an Armagh Div 2 game.

In terms of overall coverage (when you take into account the Championship and Colleges Finals, and time devoted on various news bulletins, radio and online etc etc) I'd say that GAA must now be at the top of or fairly close to the top, of the BBC's total sports output, and rightly so. It has taken a long time for this to happen.

I've as much interested in how Ballymacnab do as east antrim hockey team, but still that isn't the point.
As for overall coverage, well maybe intercounty football might get a fair airing in your opinion but hurling in the north certainly doesn't.

[Maguire01]

my problem is that on any saturday evening I can see the results on the news and even a wee snippet of Lisnagarvey playing Banbridge with one man and his dog watching, yet on the sunday evening i won't have a fuckin clue about any club championship games going on all over the north, hurling and football with thousands at them.

I might get a bit of coverage on a monday night if the Derry lads are pucking the heads off each other the previous day, but not too much if all was quiet on the melee front.

Who supplies the soccer coverage? I don't think the BBC have cameras at all of those local games.

Not all Irish league games are covered, i didn't say they were, just the big ones, and I'd bet they're BBC camera's

So you're clearly guessing. How much would you bet? Or maybe you should ask them.

Well if they see fit to send camera's to a sporting event attended by 50 to 250 people then yes surely a club championship game with multiples more in attendance is equally merited

The BBC isn't in the business of covering things on the basis of popularity; that's not their remit. They have an obligation to cover minority interests and local soccer would fit that bill.
Having said that, there is plenty of GAA coverage on BBC - I don't think we need TV coverage of the games at every level. Some coverage at club level from county finals onwards is more than enough if you ask me. And I don't think the BBC needs to be the only media outlet expected to cover every last bit of GAA.

All I want is a results program on a sunday evening giving a run down of club and or National League results for the day like we get on the saturday for soccer, rugby and hockey.

Is that too much to ask?

Personally I couldn't be bothered with that. If I can see the results on my laptop or on my phone i'm not going to turn on the TV for them.

[tyssam5]

my problem is that on any saturday evening I can see the results on the news and even a wee snippet of Lisnagarvey playing Banbridge with one man and his dog watching, yet on the sunday evening i won't have a fuckin clue about any club championship games going on all over the north, hurling and football with thousands at them.

I might get a bit of coverage on a monday night if the Derry lads are pucking the heads off each other the previous day, but not too much if all was quiet on the melee front.

Who supplies the soccer coverage? I don't think the BBC have cameras at all of those local games.

Not all Irish league games are covered, i didn't say they were, just the big ones, and I'd bet they're BBC camera's

So you're clearly guessing. How much would you bet? Or maybe you should ask them.

Well if they see fit to send camera's to a sporting event attended by 50 to 250 people then yes surely a club championship game with multiples more in attendance is equally merited

The BBC isn't in the business of covering things on the basis of popularity; that's not their remit. They have an obligation to cover minority interests and local soccer would fit that bill.
Having said that, there is plenty of GAA coverage on BBC - I don't think we need TV coverage of the games at every level. Some coverage at club level from county finals onwards is more than enough if you ask me. And I don't think the BBC needs to be the only media outlet expected to cover every last bit of GAA.

All I want is a results program on a sunday evening giving a run down of club and or National League results for the day like we get on the saturday for soccer, rugby and hockey.

Is that too much to ask?

Personally I couldn't be bothered with that. If I can see the results on my laptop or on my phone i'm not going to turn on the TV for them.

You could say the same about any TV program. Also while you and I can do that, there are plenty of people in the older generation who do not rely on more modern devices. Some proper coverage of senior county championships is not unreasonable.