Jerome Ousted?

[saffron sam2]

Tommy

I would also concur that the stats are irrelevant. SS2 / LB if you got stats and these stats said that the BBC spent as much, or more, on the GAA as they did on Irish league soccer would you concede your argument(s)? I very much doubt you would.

Stats are relevant, but I accept they can be manipulated / massaged to prove a particular point. For example one of stats highlighted during the JQ tribunal was the number of live football and soccer matches shown by BBC NI. What wasn't highlighted then was had the BBC been able to afford the rights to NI soccer matches or had they to pay for the rights to Ulster championship matches, the figures would have been totally different.

With regards to Irish League soccer, you're asking the wrong boy that question. I am probably unique on this board in thinking that IL soccer doesn't get enough coverage as it is. I would prefer that the five minute soccer slot on a Saturday evening was extended to a half hour highlights show. If it is the case that Gaelic games are being shown disproportionately to any other sport, then of course that should be rectified.

We should never settle but viewing figures will dictate that we won't have to. I struggle listening to Martin McHugh so don't always boost those viewing figures.

If it were viewing figures alone, live championship matches would not be shown on BBC. Given the poor viewing figures, surely BBC should ask why this is the case (step forward Jarlath Burns) and either decide to improve their coverage or spend the money on some other coverage.

Now can I ask you two questions:

1. In Monday's BBC Newsline's sports section, the Ryder Cup will obviously be the lead story. What should be next in your opinion?

2. What has changed at the BBC since Paddy Heaney wrote this article?

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=5435.0

[Applesisapples]

I would suggest that as a local station the BBC should leave the intercounty championship to RTE who do it much better. Most GAA people will actually be following their clubs and counties during the summer. However given the choice between watching Ulster Club/McKenna Cup matches on a Sunday in winter or watching Man Utd.... Well no contest. Just my thoughts.

[T Fearon]

Surely it makes sense for the BBC to cover the top echelons of each of the three sports? Don't forget also that not everyone in the six counties has access to RTE so there is no sense in leaving the championship coverage to RTE.

By the way since Paddy Heaney wrote that article, the BBC now covers every match in the Ulster Championhip live on tv. That's one crucial difference.

I'm happy with the BBC's current coverage of GAA as are many others on this thread. Could I suggest that those who aren't should contact the Audience Council (details on BBC website) or write to Points of View even

[lynchbhoy]

ITG - as above, while I dont disagree with what you say, I just think that there could be more shown. Common sense and a bit more equality. I'd like to see highlights of a couple of Co Down or Armagh or Tryone or Donegal club championship games. I'd expect plenty of Gaelic games fans would! I dont watch only Liverpool, Philadelphia Eagles, San Antonio spurs, Philadelphia flyers, Celtic, Juventus, London Irish games only- I watch any games theyshow from those leagues and championships !

LB don't get me wrong - I would watch,almost, any GAA game that was on quite happily. I however feel I would be in the minority in doing that.It would also quickly lose it's appeal if all the crap of the day was on all the time. I really don't think it's realisitic having club championship games on. I would stand by my local argument. Local soccer is in my view district leagues at a lower level. It never sees the light of day on tv and that in my view is like for like.

I would also concur that the stats are irrelevant. SS2 / LB if you got stats and these stats said that the BBC spent as much, or more, on the GAA as they did on Irish league soccer would you concede your argument(s)? I very much doubt you would.

Subjectively I would love to see a lot more GAA games on the BBC. However if I think about it objectively I believe we are now seeing a fair amount of GAA coverage.

We should never settle but viewing figures will dictate that we won't have to. I struggle listening to Martin McHugh so don't always boost those viewing figures.

(P.S. If you get me stats and these stats tell me that Irish league soccer gets twice as much of a budget as the GAA then I will concede I am wrong however I believe that is an unlikely scenario. I also believe you are unlikely to get financial figures (or actual time figures) from the BBC. This does not make Tony's points null and void.  )

fair enough !
I'd have the BBC drop their pathetic championship coverage and use the time and money to show a selection of local Football and Hurling.
I'd expect not many would agree with this.

[ziggysego]

I'd have the BBC drop their pathetic championship coverage and use the time and money to show a selection of local Football and Hurling.

I'd expect not many would agree with this.

I'd agree with you on this one.

[imtommygunn]

Tommy

Now can I ask you two questions:

1. In Monday's BBC Newsline's sports section, the Ryder Cup will obviously be the lead story. What should be next in your opinion?

2. What has changed at the BBC since Paddy Heaney wrote this article?

1. The Irish league matches because there's nothing of great interest on in the GAA world , to me anyway, this Sunday.

2. See Tony's answer.

I would actually agree with you about the IL highlights show. I think that it should be as per MOTD in England. News gets results and maybe a goal or two from top games - not half(or all of) the matches. I wouldn't watch it either but that's neither here nor there.

I can't watch the c'ship on the BBC because of Martin McHugh. I think Burns is ok. People like Oisin McConville shouldn't be on it either. While I hold nothing against him personally a media personality he is not. The presenters on the show definitely leave a lot to be desired but then for the soccer you have Jackie Fullerton and various other not so endearing people.

[Applesisapples]

Surely it makes sense for the BBC to cover the top echelons of each of the three sports? Don't forget also that not everyone in the six counties has access to RTE so there is no sense in leaving the championship coverage to RTE.

By the way since Paddy Heaney wrote that article, the BBC now covers every match in the Ulster Championhip live on tv. That's one crucial difference.

I'm happy with the BBC's current coverage of GAA as are many others on this thread. Could I suggest that those who aren't should contact the Audience Council (details on BBC website) or write to Points of View even

Not true anyone who wants to can access RTE.

[T Fearon]

Ask people in certain areas of Belfast and North Antrim etc if they can access RTE

[johnneycool]

Surely it makes sense for the BBC to cover the top echelons of each of the three sports? Don't forget also that not everyone in the six counties has access to RTE so there is no sense in leaving the championship coverage to RTE.

By the way since Paddy Heaney wrote that article, the BBC now covers every match in the Ulster Championhip live on tv. That's one crucial difference.

I'm happy with the BBC's current coverage of GAA as are many others on this thread. Could I suggest that those who aren't should contact the Audience Council (details on BBC website) or write to Points of View even

Not true anyone who wants to can access RTE.

Via Sky satellite I presume he's suggesting.

[T Fearon]

Not everyone has satellite either. I think certain people simply cannot concede on this issue. Sky charge for and screen the top competitions (eg the Premiership and La Liga etc) because thats what punters are interested in. Now anyone seriously claiming that the BBC should switch from the main inter county championships to club championships etc wants their bumps feeling. Its hard enough to get the fair weather fans to take an interest in the County teams. You are never going to get a substantial viewer following for club football.

Too many people on this thread remaind me of my ma, who thinks because she's interested in something then the whole world must be also, or her way of doing things is they way everyone should do things

[lynchbhoy]

istn that the point though - you dont get 'substantial' viewing for ANY of those 'sports' !!

even the soccer - i'd watch the highlights if it was on - 2 mins per game is more than enough of the soccer league in the north of Ireland - but its better than the crap league in the south !

[T Fearon]

I'm talking comparatively here. I'd watch the highlights (all 5 minutes of them) of the Irish League games on a Saturday usually, though admittedly I wouldn't go out of my way to see them, but I'd switch off it was Cromac Albvion Versus Cookstown Utd. Similarly with GAA, i'd be more interested in watching Fermanagh V Cavan than St Galls V Rossa, even though potentially the latter is the better match.

In any event it looks like this debate has moved on from adequate versus inadequate BBC GAA coverage to whether or not the BBC should cover the Inter County or Club Championships. That's good.

Also don't like to see the abuse here meted out to the BBC's GAA Commentators or pundits. I don't see anything wrong with them, even if Mark Sidebottom tries the impossible, ie being more witty than Miceal O'M. Also Owen Mc Connon on BBC Radio is an excellent commentator.

[lynchbhoy]

my view is still the same - not enough local club football shown by bbc (the the same but as they dont have the same kinds of local sport programmes as the bbc do they cant be held as accountable or accused in this regard).

[imtommygunn]

SS2 after ryder cup I would actually have commonwealth games now I think about it...

International stage then national stage.

[Maguire01]

Coverage of club GAA coming up on BBC Newsline. I hope you're watching Lynchbhoy!