Will anyone inn Fianna Fail shout stop?

[Bogball XV]

Is anyone that ever fund raised or donated to FF in any way upset that FF give 30K to Aherns mistress to buy a house? Or would anyone be upset at this if their own chosen party did it?

BogballXV would ye have a look at the question above and for my own peace of mind (this sort of stuff is really driving me crazy) give me an answer? Please.

I'll just be cryptic again, last year the Moriarty tribunal issued a report, in that report it said Charlie done all sorts of bad things, including taking a bit of the money that had been raised in order for Brian Lenihan Sr to receive medical treatment in the states, on primetime that night, I saw Brian Lenihan's son dismiss that little charlie misdemeanour as being a big deal about nothing or something along those lines, imo, that was pretty disgusting.

[Aaron Boone]

It's still 15 years ago this stuff. Saw Bertie at 7pm mass in Gardiner Street last Saturday, as the nearby rugby in Croker was finishing. He was there on his own and was amazing to think he was the leader of the country. The government 08 Merc was outside but not a garda in sight.

[Zapatista]

Thats a great mass to go to. I'd advise ye all to go it is actually a fun and interesting place to be. You go often Aaron? Our paths might have crossed about it once os twice.

[Aaron Boone]

Don't often go but was surprised to see Bertie there. He certainly fitted in seamlessly.

[AZOffaly]

It's still 15 years ago this stuff. Saw Bertie at 7pm mass in Gardiner Street last Saturday, as the nearby rugby in Croker was finishing. He was there on his own and was amazing to think he was the leader of the country. The government 08 Merc was outside but not a garda in sight.

Does Bertie contribute to the collection plate, or does he think it's a weekly 'dig out' by his mate with the black suit and the white collar?

[Zapatista]

It's still 15 years ago this stuff. Saw Bertie at 7pm mass in Gardiner Street last Saturday, as the nearby rugby in Croker was finishing. He was there on his own and was amazing to think he was the leader of the country. The government 08 Merc was outside but not a garda in sight.

Does Bertie contribute to the collection plate, or does he think it's a weekly 'dig out' by his mate with the black suit and the white collar?

Ahern now receives "personal political donations" which is political donations for his own use or a bribe however you want to look at it. Since this revelation came to light it seems other FF ministers have received them too. It's claimed they are used for Ministers to buy tickets, donate to charity and buy drinks for folk in the hope they will get starry eyed and vote for said Minister.

So I am going to guess Ahern did contribute to the collection plate with money received as a "personal political donation" while everyone else donated from their own hard earned money while being starry eyed at the benevolence of Ahern the working mans hero.

[the Deel Rover]

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[Mentalman]

Ahern now receives "personal political donations" which is political donations for his own use or a bribe however you want to look at it. Since this revelation came to light it seems other FF ministers have received them too. It's claimed they are used for Ministers to buy tickets, donate to charity and buy drinks for folk in the hope they will get starry eyed and vote for said Minister.

This was the master stroke from the stroke master - breathtaking is how I'd describe it. I literally couldn't believe what I was hearing on Primetime the other night. The mind actually boggles - how you could use your testimony so deliberatly to create a loophole for your misdeeds, then get your minions to pronounce that this is the way it always has been, that apparently those actions were and are ethical, because ethics were different back then. They sure were, becuase going by the testimony there were, and in fact are, no ethics to speak of. Absolute doublethink - "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past".

[Zapatista]

Ahern now receives "personal political donations" which is political donations for his own use or a bribe however you want to look at it. Since this revelation came to light it seems other FF ministers have received them too. It's claimed they are used for Ministers to buy tickets, donate to charity and buy drinks for folk in the hope they will get starry eyed and vote for said Minister.

This was the master stroke from the stroke master - breathtaking is how I'd describe it. I literally couldn't believe what I was hearing on Primetime the other night. The mind actually boggles - how you could use your testimony so deliberatly to create a loophole for your misdeeds, then get your minions to pronounce that this is the way it always has been, that apparently those actions were and are ethical, because ethics were different back then. They sure were, becuase going by the testimony there were, and in fact are, no ethics to speak of. Absolute doublethink - "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past".

Don't go too wild there MM. He stole it from another politician.

See here - http://www.libdemvoice.org/questions-raised-over-labours-election-financing-in-manchester-1157.html

There are more similarities about it too - Manchester, corruption, building sector etc lets play spot the difference it might be easier than spot the similarities.

[Lar Naparka]

Pity to see this thread slipping way down the ratings. I have enjoyed it very much.
Maybe we’d all have saved a lot of clicking and typing if we had paid attention to Leo’s original question:
“Will anyone inn Fianna Fail shout stop?”
You see, at the moment, it is up to Fianna Fail to pull the plug.
The Gardai may sometime in the future decide to get involved. The same might apply to the Revenue. Notice how fast they have been to say they’d be investigating Celia Larkin’s loan from FF?
It should not come as a big surprise if they announced at any time that they wanted to have a chat with Bertie over the revelations that have come out of his dealings with the Mahon Tribunal.
At present however, the ball is in Fianna Fail’s court. To answer Leo’s question, I’d say, Yes, plenty in FF will, if they see Bertie’s leadership proving a liability to the party, and if it happens, it will have sweet damn all to do with morality or legal points.

As Babs Keating (I think) once remarked, “There’s only six inches of a difference between a slap on the back and a kick up the arse!”
I have no doubt whatsoever that Bertie is guarding his arse very carefully those days.

[Zapatista]

Your absolutely right Lar, it is a pity to see this thread slip down the ratings

I atribute it to the large six county populations and the sheep like support of FF from FFers, adding to the complete lack of outrage.

[AZOffaly]

Or else, perchance, that everyone is more or less on the same page, even FFers, and there's not a real debate there.

[Zapatista]

Dammit AZO stop exposing my negativity

[Onlooker]

The statement in the Indo that the Revenue have said that they are investigatiing Celia Larkin's Loan from Fianna Fail is clearly a nonsense.  The Revenue do not inform newspaper journalists or any one else of what they are doing with regard to any taxpayer.  You can't believe everything you read in the papers, Lar Naparka.

[Zapatista]

Why would they not investigate it?

I agree that the Indo print alot of nonsence too. It's the Sunday World for those too afraid to by the Sunday World. Like they guys who are to afraid to buy Playboy and settle for FHM.