Spotlight on BBC 6 Counties tomorrow night

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I supported N Ireland V England.  Does this make me a freak?

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Also EG Dublin hasnt beaten Tyrone since 1995 in championship football Thats 13 years of failure for the jackeens.

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Also EG Dublin hasnt beaten Tyrone since 1995 in championship football Thats 13 years of failure for the jackeens.

13 years of failure which consisted of two games. One draw and one win for Tyrone. They really have swept the boards with us   

[Evil Genius]

EG, Dublin are Tyrones traditional rival??

I'll make allowances for that as you aint a GAA man EG and dont claim to be, but that gave me a good old chuckle!!

No, what I meant was that Armagh and Tyrone are rivals i.e. would each prefer to see their traditional rival lose, or a fellow Ulster county win?

As I said, it's not an exact analogy, but was merely meant to show that you can have mixed feelings about such things - unless you're a bigot of the Fearon type, or one of his "Loyalist" counterparts, such as Billy Hutchinson, who's actually an Ingurland supporter!  

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EG, Dublin are Tyrones traditional rival??

I'll make allowances for that as you aint a GAA man EG and dont claim to be, but that gave me a good old chuckle!!

No, what I meant was that Armagh and Tyrone are rivals i.e. would each prefer to see their traditional rival lose, or a fellow Ulster county win?

As I said, it's not an exact analogy, but was merely meant to show that you can have mixed feelings about such things - unless you're a bigot of the Fearon type, or one of his "Loyalist" counterparts, such as Billy Hutchinson, who's actually an Ingurland supporter!  

Sincere apologies! 

One thing I dont get about people who cheer for Enland against Northern Ireland for political reasons is this.

If you hate NI for political reasons from a nationalist point of view, surely you would hate England equally if not more for being responsible for the creation of, and maintanence of NI?
I dont get how, if politics is your motive, you could prefer England to NI.

[Evil Genius]

One thing I dont get about people who cheer for Enland against Northern Ireland for political reasons is this.

If you hate NI for political reasons from a nationalist point of view, surely you would hate England equally if not more for being responsible for the creation of, and maintanence of NI?

Indeed.  Even the mathematics are simple: "400 years of oppression" by Planters versus "800 years of oppression" by those who sent the Planters over. Perhaps someone should remind them that Cromwell - the last successful England manager before Sir Alf Ramsey  - was English... 

I dont get how, if politics is your motive, you could prefer England to NI.

Except that it's not even politics (though that may be the ostensible reason). For some, at least, it's bigotry, pure and simple.

[Evil Genius]

Perhaps someone should remind them that Cromwell - the last successful England manager before Sir Alf Ramsey  - was English... 

Extremely poor taste EG. 

On reflection, I see what you mean. Sorry. I actually meant it as a dig at the England football  team!

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I'd be careful to edit it EG, could be reported under the new rules.

[Evil Genius]

I'd be careful to edit it EG, could be reported under the new rules.

Bollox to that. It's not as if I slagged off anyone personally, so unless any one of Cromwell's victims (or the English Royal family, for that matter) want to complain, then too bad.

After all, if there's no room for bad taste on this Board, then half the threads in this section will need to be closed down!

Jeez - and I'm the one who's usually accused of being over-sensitive...   

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EG, I dont mind saying its in poor taste, thus making my point, then ignoring it.

Just mentioning that it may leave you open to some people with personal grudges reporting you under the new rules.

Leave it there if you want, I dont care, was just trying to be helpful 

[Billys Boots]

In truth, he's not really up to international football in his normal position, never mind out of position, and especially compared with Finnan or (Aaron) Hughes - both of whom have also filled in at LB from time to time.

Anyhow, McCartney is a better LB than the three of them (imo)

Yeah, I wouldn't disagree (would probably pick McCartney) - Kelly was absolutely awful in his few first international outings at left-back (Staunton picked O'Shea at right-back for some of those lineups too, go figure), but he has improved considerably in the interim, and played quite well against the Czechs (for half an hour), Slovakia and Germany in that position.

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another  case of A.D.D

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another  case of A.D.D

Come on, quit the personal stuff.

[Orior]

It is well documented that a lot of owc in the big stand were wearing england tops that night. Figure that one out.

Where was this documented and by whom?

Have a looksee on the owc site, going way back. There were quite a few disgusted at the site of england tops, while others were quite honest with their support of a team that compised their soccer heros.

[Evil Genius]

It is well documented that a lot of owc in the big stand were wearing england tops that night. Figure that one out.

Where was this documented and by whom?

Have a looksee on the owc site, going way back. There were quite a few disgusted at the site of england tops, while others were quite honest with their support of a team that compised their soccer heros.

Any of the England tops I saw in the stands were worn by English-born England fans, surprisingly enough.  Of course, there is a small minority in the "Loyalist" community in NI who actually support England at every match - we've all seen the photos of Johnny Adair and Billy Hutchinson et al proudly wearing their Ingurland tops (short-sleeved, of course, so as to show off their Ulster Tattoos  ) Perhaps some of these were at Windsor that night, though if they were, they'll have been competing with the travelling England fans from over the water to buy from the touts, since none of them will be block-bookers at Windsor, that's for sure.

Anyhow, it seems that they follow England because they're "more British" than the NI team. Or as one of these plastic John Bulls put it: "The Northern Ireland players don't sing GSTQ with enough pride" (Code for "Too Many Fenians").

In my experience, whatever NI fans think about NI-born people who support ROI, they have nothing but total scorn for these idiots - and would tell them so, if it weren't usually too dangerous. 

P.S. What was your point, Orior?