Paddywagon Attacked Again

[his holiness nb]

Methinks that HH will soon be a casualty of OWC censorship!
Will SammyG guarantee that HH won't be banned from the OWC board for this incident??

He hasn't been barred but he's had a warning (not from me) for personal abuse, when he told people to 'go f**k themselves'.

Indeed, I wont be going back, to much shite being thrown at me for daring to defend the GAA.

I said an "adios" to the reasoned debaters on there, and a "go f**k yourselves" to the blindly bigoted ones.
Quite satisfying actually 

[his holiness nb]

Sorry but you're clearly unable to read.

Oh the irony given what started this whole discussion between us 

[Red Sky]

Methinks that HH will soon be a casualty of OWC censorship!
Will SammyG guarantee that HH won't be banned from the OWC board for this incident??

He hasn't been barred but he's had a warning (not from me) for personal abuse, when he told people to 'go f**k themselves'.

Indeed, I wont be going back, to much shite being thrown at me for daring to defend the GAA.

I said an "adios" to the reasoned debaters on there, and a "go f**k yourselves" to the blindly bigoted ones.
Quite satisfying actually 

Having never been on the OWC site, is it a case of blatant bigotry that is being spouted by these individuals?

[AZOffaly]

Ah!!!!

Don't mention the war. Why do some of our lads go on there, and some of their lads come on here, simply to report back on what themmuns are saying? Do you get a '00' number for it or something?

I signed up to OWC ages ago to debate a few things, after some of their lads came here first. I've stopped posting over there, apart from the odd one, because it's a forum for Northern Ireland fans, and I am not a fan of Northern Ireland. I like to see them do well, but I'm not a fan of theirs, I support the ROI.

A few OWC lads are on here, and I think they are fine for the most part, apart from the odd lad that comes on, plants a post designed to cause ire, and then scuttles off back to report to base.

It's sort of funny actually.

[lfdown2]

sad more than funy id say!

[Evil Genius]

Indeed, I wont be going back [to OWC], to much shite being thrown at me for daring to defend the GAA.

Well, now you know what it's like to go onto someone else's site and get large quantities of shite (or the "kitchen sink" as you called it over there) thrown at you!  

As someone who's been on the receiving end on here, I appreciate it can be a discouraging experience. However, I do feel that it's still worth it, so long as you consider you have a valid point worth making and are receptive to the (usually contradicting) points that others might wish to make to you. Otherwise, the alternative is to retreat to ones own and "preach to the converted" in safe and comfortable surroundings. Which, whilst easier, has always seemed to me to be a pretty pointless exercise.

Fwiw, I've come to appreciate that if you are going to go onto someone elses forum and attempt to disabuse them of what you see as ill-informed, even prejudiced opinions, you need to make a distinction between those whom you challenge and their beliefs and values. In this respect, I hope I have never sought to tell the GAA or its Members what they must believe or what they must do - that can only be for the GAA to do. That said, I reserve the right to express an opinion in response  to what they say and do (whether that opinion is welcomed or not!)

Speaking of which, I have also learned that if you are going to be heard when you make criticisms of what other people say and do, then you need to take on Board the criticsms which they make of you. In this respect, I would hope that I have never, for instance, denied that soccer in NI has got a historic and continuing problem with sectarianism/politics. If I were to deny it, I couldn't expect to get very far when I try to point out the efforts being made to eradicate this problem. (Indeed, it would be illogical of me, otherwise why would there need to be a "Football For All" campaign?).

But whilst I acknowledge that the elephant in our front room is still liable to crap everywhere if given a chance, it seems to me that during your brief sojourn on OWC, you refused even to admit that there is an elephant anywhere within 100 miles of the GAA, never mind that it might be causing bother locally. In that respect, you seemed to me to be different from most other posters who come onto OWC to defend the GAA (and don't feel so "bombarded" that they feel forced to "retreat").

[his holiness nb]

Indeed, I wont be going back [to OWC], to much shite being thrown at me for daring to defend the GAA.

Well, now you know what it's like to go onto someone else's site and get large quantities of shite (or the "kitchen sink" as you called it over there) thrown at you!  

As someone who's been on the receiving end on here, I appreciate it can be a discouraging experience. However, I do feel that it's still worth it, so long as you consider you have a valid point worth making and are receptive to the (usually contradicting) points that others might wish to make to you. Otherwise, the alternative is to retreat to ones own and "preach to the converted" in safe and comfortable surroundings. Which, whilst easier, has always seemed to me to be a pretty pointless exercise.

Fwiw, I've come to appreciate that if you are going to go onto someone elses forum and attempt to disabuse them of what you see as ill-informed, even prejudiced opinions, you need to make a distinction between those whom you challenge and their beliefs and values. In this respect, I hope I have never sought to tell the GAA or its Members what they must believe or what they must do - that can only be for the GAA to do. That said, I reserve the right to express an opinion in response  to what they say and do (whether that opinion is welcomed or not!)

Speaking of which, I have also learned that if you are going to be heard when you make criticisms of what other people say and do, then you need to take on Board the criticsms which they make of you. In this respect, I would hope that I have never, for instance, denied that soccer in NI has got a historic and continuing problem with sectarianism/politics. If I were to deny it, I couldn't expect to get very far when I try to point out the efforts being made to eradicate this problem. (Indeed, it would be illogical of me, otherwise why would there need to be a "Football For All" campaign?).

But whilst I acknowledge that the elephant in our front room is still liable to crap everywhere if given a chance, it seems to me that during your brief sojourn on OWC, you refused even to admit that there is an elephant anywhere within 100 miles of the GAA, never mind that it might be causing bother locally. In that respect, you seemed to me to be different from most other posters who come onto OWC to defend the GAA (and don't feel so "bombarded" that they feel forced to "retreat").

EG, while thats all very well written, and some of it untrue (I have acknowledged several aspects of the GAA, past and present, which I dont approve of)
I'll not be dragged into discussing my reasons for not wanting to stay at OWC whilst on a thread about the Paddywagon on Gaaboard.com

I just couldnt be arsed, pure and simple.

I will not discuss this matter further as its nothing to do with this thread or this site.

[Evil Genius]

EG, while thats all very well written, and some of it untrue (I have acknowledged several aspects of the GAA, past and present, which I dont approve of)
I'll not be dragged into discussing my reasons for not wanting to stay at OWC whilst on a thread about the Paddywagon on Gaaboard.com

I just couldnt be arsed, pure and simple.

I will not discuss this matter further as its nothing to do with this thread or this site.

In response to other posters speculating on this thread that you had been "banned" from OWC, you declined to make the simple factual statement that you had not been banned, or even suspended, merely warned for personal abuse. Instead, you made the following reply:

"Indeed, I wont be going back, to much shite being thrown at me for daring to defend the GAA.

I said an "adios" to the reasoned debaters on there, and a "go f**k yourselves" to the blindly bigoted ones.
Quite satisfying actually" 

Which is fair enough, except that as a member of OWC, I took the opportunity to point out that your being on the receiving end of a load of shite might have been for more than merely "daring to defend the GAA". After all, other pro-GAA posters contribute to OWC without a similar reception. Perhaps the difference might lie in their willingness to at least try to see an alternative point of view, rather than your "hit and run" tactics, combined with an absolute determination to have the last word (a feature of your posts on this Board, btw)?

Oh well.

[Jim_Murphy_74]

The best bit is when SammyG comments "Of course people are going to be cynical" in response to the contributors Big Jake and Mousy who had the same concerns as His Holiness.  Then he is over here claiming not to know what aspect of the thread he is on about it!!!!!

You couldn't make it up.

/Jim.

There is a hell of a difference from people being cynical about Paddywagon and the actions and lies of their MD, to saying that those people support the attacks on the bus.

A valid point but pure obfuscation on your part.  (Although you seem to have driven all the lemmings here in the same direction).   The original comment never said that anyone supported the attacks or was bigotted.  The original comment expressed surprise at how many people laid the blame at the door of the victim.  This point was clarified twice to you.  Indeed you went as far as accepting the point and apologising but claiming no such posts were on OWC.   This despite the fact the actual thread had comments from "Big Jake" and "Mousy", comments you answered!


As I said you couldn't make it up.

/Jim.

[ziggysego]

Just as a sidenote.

I wrote something several weeks ago and Solomon King pulled me on and quite rightly. The way I worded it, was deeply offensive to the Unionist community.

I apologised to Solomon Kane and re-interated what I wanted to say original, but it an unambiguous way. As far as both of us were concerned, that was the end of it.

Lessons to be learnt?

[Jim_Murphy_74]

But whilst I acknowledge that the elephant in our front room is still liable to crap everywhere if given a chance, it seems to me that during your brief sojourn on OWC, you refused even to admit that there is an elephant anywhere within 100 miles of the GAA, never mind that it might be causing bother locally. In that respect, you seemed to me to be different from most other posters who come onto OWC to defend the GAA (and don't feel so "bombarded" that they feel forced to "retreat").

Harsh and not wholly true.  The were admissions of issues on his part, not many admittedly and I personally would concede more ground.  However as I pointed out here recently such admissions are not sufficient in the context of an OWC debate on the GAA.  In fact it would appear to rebut any criticism is taken as a rebuttal of the elephants (and all other beasts in the vicinity).  Such ground rules put anyone fighting the GAA corner in an impossible position.  

As for the other GAA defenders: Belfast Owl and PatB (who seem the main residents) were both put unceremoniously in their place of the Darren Graham thread over defending the GAA.  I understand that the previous champion "Harpsman" requested his deregistration on the site subsequent to being labeled "filth" by a regular poster over.

By all means question His Holiness for his behaviour but don't paint this tolerant utopia where all "reasonable" GAA supporters are welcome to rational debate.

/Jim.

P.S.  To save your reformatting with strikethrough, I accept in advance any similar criticisms of this site.

[ziggysego]

Just as a sidenote.

I wrote something several weeks ago and Solomon King pulled me on and quite rightly. The way I worded it, was deeply offensive to the Unionist community.

I apologised to Solomon King and re-interated what I wanted to say original, but it an unambiguous way. As far as both of us were concerned, that was the end of it.

Lessons to be learnt?

You may have to apologise to him again, for calling him by the wrong name.

It was him, unless I fell out with someone else..... 

[ziggysego]

Oh for fuc...

I better go back and edit that 

[SammyG]

The best bit is when SammyG comments "Of course people are going to be cynical" in response to the contributors Big Jake and Mousy who had the same concerns as His Holiness.  Then he is over here claiming not to know what aspect of the thread he is on about it!!!!!

You couldn't make it up.

/Jim.

There is a hell of a difference from people being cynical about Paddywagon and the actions and lies of their MD, to saying that those people support the attacks on the bus.

A valid point but pure obfuscation on your part.  (Although you seem to have driven all the lemmings here in the same direction).   The original comment never said that anyone supported the attacks or was bigotted.  The original comment expressed surprise at how many people laid the blame at the door of the victim.  This point was clarified twice to you.  Indeed you went as far as accepting the point and apologising but claiming no such posts were on OWC.   This despite the fact the actual thread had comments from "Big Jake" and "Mousy", comments you answered!


As I said you couldn't make it up.

/Jim.

The original comment, from HHNB, implied (heavily) that posters on OWC, supported the attacks. When I asked for clarification, HHNB then quoted the thread, where no-one supporterd the attacks, which was what I'd said in the first place and totally contradicted his post. Rather than try and explain/defend his position HHNB then threw his toys out, at which point I gave up and made a sarky post about eating babies, as I felt that made as much sense as the rest of the discussion.

[ziggysego]

Can I just say, you're as bad as each other

I can see the validity in both your arguments.