Tír Eoghain vs Cill Dara NFL 2008

[tieroan]

Damian McCaul has not got the height over McCarron for god sake and would Shane Mulgrew not be better to be tested at U21 level first. It is very rare that someone of his height makes it at county level, I am not saying it is impossible but more unlikely.

[orangeman]

A wee man with good feet is better than a big man with bad feet !

[orangeman]

 

[Fuzzman]

Jay $u$ lads ye've really gone to town with this defeat I mean Draw on Sat night.

I wasnt at it so can only comment on what I heard on Q101 and in the papers etc but I think ye've all gone away OTT here.

Yeah I think we're not as good as were were in 2003 or 2005 but we won Ulster last year without Stevie and McGuigan and Mugsy the same aul hot and cold story.
Amazingly we still have a HUGE injury list and as we know wet heavy pitches in Feb never suits young new players so don't hit the panic button yet.

I agree we should try McCaul at FB and Block at CB.

What about Holmes/McGinley/Hub at MF with big Sean and maybe Colm Cavanagh or Hub at FF and switch to much faster long balls and stop being predictable now with this running possession game where teams just SWARM us and fould persistantly. With much faster ball into the FF line it will cut out all this congestion around the middle where we overplay and often lose possession.

With McCaul, Block, Sean, McGinley, McGuigan and Cavanagh Jnr all up the middle I think we could be quite strong and change our style of play.
My 1st choice team would be
McConnell...Makes the odd mad decision but has more presence I think
Ricey.........Was a bit suspect last season but still out psyches most Corner forwards
McCaul.......Plays here for UUJ and is tall and fast
Gourley......Good man marker if stays fit and played here 2003 final
Carlin.........Is getting better and more he plays the more he'll learn when to defend and when to attack and lay it off
Block.........is Block
Jordan.......Typical modern day attacking wing back
Sean......... Drives the team forward and can be unstoppable
McGinley.....Think he can be the best support for Sean and works so hard all the time.
Dooher...... Workhorse if he can stay fit
B.McGuigan. God II if he can regain sight and fitness OK please God
Mulgrew...... Great passer and score taker and might get more room out on wing
Colm Cavanagh.Tall younger brother who has been getting a rough time since his debut last year. Still plenty to learn though
Hub.............Seems to have fallen back a lot but can still be a good robust target man and played here most of his U-21 days. Can't miss from the 21 yard line or can he?
Mugsy.........With 2 other BIG men beside him he might not get so much special attention and can come wandering out if being held tight

Maybe Holmes again at Full back but maybe getting a bit slow now
McCullagh and Niall Gormely looked promising last year to get the odd run out
Can Mulgrew not take some frees?

BTW, all this talk of folk watching 2003 and 2005 Dvds is making me miss such games.
Anyone got any 2003 and 2005 or any other games or highlights of BIG games on DVD they could send me?
PM me if you have.

[orangeman]

Too many ifs and maybes there for my liking Fuzzman !

[Fuzzman]

Maybe Orangeman but sure with recent trends come June nobody might be fit.

Just saying we have still the nucleus of a strong team there even if we no longer have a star forward to score us 5+ points a match unless big Sean moves back to FF

[Tyrones own]

  Hub at FF.. , you must be joking Fuzz

Whats the story with pictures of naked young lads there HS

[orangeman]

No doubt that there is the nucleus but it takes an awful lot to compete in August.

[Tyrone Dreamer]

If rrhf fan was the manager Cush would be out of retirement to play at chf, shane mulgrew and mcginn would be in the corner forward positions, kelvin hughes would be in midfield, McCaul would be at full back and Im sure a few others  from Donaghmore would be on to.

O'Neill I know its a discussion board and people are entitled to opinions but I just feel that the opinions of people who dont attend the games are devalued as they are relying a lot on second hand information at this time of year when games (except the Donegal one) arent on tv. You cant really judge what the problems are or whether the manager is at fault unless you actually see the games for yourself. I cant understand how anyone can question the future of Harte without seeing the team play this year. Last year Tyrone won the ulster with a severly depleted squad so surely you couldnt be questioning Hartes future based on this?

[ONeill]

O'Neill I know its a discussion board and people are entitled to opinions but I just feel that the opinions of people who dont attend the games are devalued as they are relying a lot on second hand information at this time of year when games (except the Donegal one) arent on tv. You cant really judge what the problems are or whether the manager is at fault unless you actually see the games for yourself. I cant understand how anyone can question the future of Harte without seeing the team play this year. Last year Tyrone won the ulster with a severly depleted squad so surely you couldnt be questioning Hartes future based on this?

I've seen Tyrone play twice this year out of their four games.

I haven't given any critique whatsoever on the Kildare match so I don't know where you're getting that from. Are you reading something I'm not? I'm basing my opinion on watching this Tyrone side and management from their early days down in Wexford and Leitrim to their development right up until now.

A little tip - just because someone doesn't share the same sentiments as yourself doesn't mean they should be discounted. You may believe 'Sam will be parading around Omagh in September' as you stated (without stating how you envisage that apart from blind faith) I disagree completely and openly display my views logically on why I believe that. I could also spout nonsense that I cannot take you seriously as you included McNally, Swift etc as players you hadn't seen before/how 'good' they were but that would be rude, wrong and insulting. Just a tip.

[ziggysego]

BURN

[ONeill]

Jay $u$ lads ye've really gone to town with this defeat I mean Draw on Sat night.

I wasnt at it so can only comment on what I heard on Q101 and in the papers etc

Then you've no business in this thread. Shove off.

[ziggysego]

What is that about?
Anyway, ziggy. You were not at the game and therefore should not be posting in this thread..................apparently.

It's from the 70's Show. Pop culture hardstation.

Didn't actually analysis the game, for as stated, didn't go to the game. I'm just stating that I don't think Tyrone is at the end of the road, just no wins this year.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

FoSB, the post mortem has confirmed that the decline began here.

In 2003 we knew we had a side capable of taking the title.
In 2005 we knew we had a side capable of taking the title.
In 2008, we have a forward unit that will put the fear into few inter-county sides.

Still don't think this is the time for such fatalistic analyses Shane: first game of the League is the time to judge nothing bar the game itself, defeatist prognoses for the coming season are not constructive, with respect. NFL semi-final 2005, dirty old day (not too unlike Healy Park on Saturday night), and a bad, bad loss to Wexford (no offence to the Model County): did you hold firm in your belief at that time that we were destined for great things in '05, that close to the beginning of the Championship?

I'll accept that if we achieve anything of significance this season it will appear to have been more divine inspiration at this juncture than cold, dispassionate, rational analysis, but I'll hold my definitve until there's a bounce in the ball, a spring in the sod, and a grip on the leather, with perhaps a sun vaguely visible higher in the sky above.

[Tyrone Dreamer]

I stand by my general point O'Neill about people's opinions on the current status of the Tyrone team being devalued if the person in question hasnt attended games - Hughes in the Tyrone Times being a prime example. You quoted me saying about Tyrone parading sam through Omagh but that wasnt meant to be to serious. You also pointed out that I said about not having seen much of Swift or McNally but I wouldnt have made an opinion on either player without having watched them play a few times for Tyrone unlike a few posters regarding Tyrones prospects this season. Im sure Ive seen McNally playing numerous times for Carrickmore without realising who he was.

Getting back to the earlier talk of some posters about it being time for Harte to move on - I think its far to early in the season for for that kind of talk. Look at the teams put out in the McKenna Cup - you can judge nothing on Tyrones prospects based on this. Saturdays perfomance was more worrying but the conditions were awful and there was still 5 top players missing. 2006 was a bad year but I still think an ulster title last year was a decent achievement considering the well documented injury problems. I do agree Tyrone have a number of potentially serious problems that need sorting. Id definatley would like to see Sean Cavanagh tried at 14 for a few league games when fit to see if he can be converted into a top class full forward. Hughes and McGinley showed signs that they may be able to play midfield together which would allow Cavanagh to be tried further up. Im not sure if we have any other player with the potential to be a really good 14 at the minute and Im not even convinced if it would really be the best position for Cavanagh.