Tír Eoghain vs Cill Dara NFL 2008

[orangeman]

The only positive last night was a good defensive display - Kildare were restricted to 5 scores -

[Shadylimp]

thought last night was very poor, think most of yous are being very harsh on hub, was actually impressed by his performance. him and mcginley battled well. quinn and swift were two best players at match for me. up front mccullough showed well in first while mcguigan played well second half after quiet first half, mulgrew also showed well. cant complain about free taker cos i dont think there was a scorable free chance for tyrone until last kick, mccullough took his chances first half. crowd was shocking, poor turnout and those who were there only got on the players backs, few behind me from moy were complaing whole game. need big step up for kerry lads. tyrone supporters too quick to critiscise own players

[Over the Bar]

If the departure of Stephen O'Neill leaves Mugsy as our no 1 free taker then I think it's time we recalled Mark Harte.  Yes he has the stature of a minor but so has Mulgrew and Mark will hit 9 out of 10 frees over from anywhere inside the 45.  Had Mark Harte been playing against Meath last year we would have won that game.   

Mugsy has about a 50% strike rate from dead balls and that includes ones from 20 yards!   Desperate times need alternative thinking to be applied and Sparkey is the man to dig us out of the hole we are in.

[tyroneStatto]

few behind me from moy were complaing whole game.

never!

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

I wouldn't be as sore on Hub either, there were greater problems on the park. Leaking badly in defence in the 2nd half, particularly down da Nephew's side, he was too far off the pace far too often,too far off his man too often, and he should  have been substituted before Quinn, whose uneviable position it was to attempt to thwart the attacks that were getting through the half-back line.

And I wouldn't agree that no scorable frees were missed, quite the reverse, and we're suffering in that area.

[orangeman]

It looks we need a whole lot more than a freetaker ! That would be papering over the cracks - it looks like this season will be one where we might do well to hold our own.

[Lamh Dhearg Alba]

Desperate times need alternative thinking to be applied

Hardly desperate times yet though. First round of the National League isnt the time to judge a team and whilst it was clearly a poor performace Tyrone looked likely winners right to the end and the concession of the goal. Plenty to work on but there shouldnt be any panic at this stage.

As for frees isnt Justy McMahon an excellent free taker?? He would need to force his way into the starting 15 but could be an option. I think we're past the stage of recalling Mark Harte just because of his free taking abilities, need to look to new options.

[Over the Bar]

As for frees isnt Justy McMahon an excellent free taker?? He would need to force his way into the starting 15 but could be an option. I think we're past the stage of recalling Mark Harte just because of his free taking abilities, need to look to new options.

The loss of Canavan was expected but to lose O'Neill at his prime, means we've lost 2 of the best forwards in Ireland in 3 years and I'd have to disagree with you, this makes for desperate times with no 7+ points a game players on the horizon.   Haven't seen enough of JMcM to comment however we do need a player who easily converts frees from inside the 45 and Mark Harte is the only player I know who does that and the pressure doesn't seem to affect him the way it gets to Mugsy.

I'm not suggesting that Mark Harte's inclusion will turn things around overnight, but we are now no longer a team that scores 1-16 a game. Therfore I think there's room for a debate as to whether a man who will contribute 5 or 6 points each game from the dead ball is worth recalling.

[ONeill]

I'm not so sure LDA. Performances since 2005 have been inconsistent, the games v Donegal in the USFC last year and Dublin in the NFL the paltry stand out. It almost is desperate times in terms of getting back to the top table.

Gormley, Cavanagh, Mulgrew and Jordan are indispensable. Beyond that things are looking decidedly average. Don't want to Mickey-bash again but I wonder if he honestly believes he has a side capable of winning major honours. He's a smart man so I assume he does. Simply cannot see it myself, unless he has something up his sleeve in terms of a change to his traditional system. Brolly used to extol the virtue of the Tyrone system, claiming we were the best at what we do, workrate in defence, breaking with speed and numbers and clinical in attack. I just feel that all three are weakening as the older personnel are showing wear and tear and the new boys are not at the level required to play that type of game.

[orangeman]

I couldn't have put it any better myself O'Neill - my sentiments excatly - the team has started to break up for a variety of reasons - we need a lift and I just can't accept SON sitting in the house not playing for Tyrone at 27 years of age. I know we all hark back to the good times, but SON was a big part of those and I can't see us doing anything this year without him.

[corn02]

You are some man going on about McGeeney's influence Tyroneman. Obviously taking a leaf from the host's book.

[new devil]

There are plenty of players in the county who are good free takers but who aren't just good enough to start...from my own club Des Tracey never misses a free and is a very good forward but hasn't got a chance for tyrone

[ziggysego]

Unfortunately I did not make it to the game last night due to prior engagement.

I see that some people are saying that things are bleak in Tyrone at the moment, I myself think that is a bit over the top. Sure we aren't as healthy as we have been in previous years, but I still have high hopes for the future.

I don't see any trophies in Tyrone this year if I am being realistic, but I think Mickey is playing the long game. For too long he has been criticed for relying on the old guard of Tyrone football, the minors of 1998. Now he is looking to the future and wanting to rebuild the team, but that takes time. He is bringing in new players and working with them.

So no Ulster or Sam this year, but I definately think the future is still bright for Tyrone.

[Mr. Nakata]

Last night was a shocker. A tenner in to watch that muck. The creamy pints of black in St. Endas afterwards the undoubted highlight of the evening. I really felt quite disillusioned during the match and indeed during the post match analysis. Some of the hand passing was frightening. Big high loopers, perfect for the lillywhite man to come in and nail the player receiving. Happened 2 or 3 times. Some of the distribution out of defense as well was awful. Swift and PJ were out first alot but booted the ball to a posse of Kildare men. As for Davy H, the head went straight into his hands after the net bulged, possibly his worst performance in the last 2 years. Another year, but still the same questions being asked. Who will hit frees, who'll be in midfield/full back and where will the scores come from? 6 weeks to the next game at Healy and there's a fair chance we'll still be sitting on 1 point. Galway and Laois looked decent today. I'll be expecting major improvement.

[Lamh Dhearg Alba]

I'm not so sure LDA. Performances since 2005 have been inconsistent, the games v Donegal in the USFC last year and Dublin in the NFL the paltry stand out. It almost is desperate times in terms of getting back to the top table.

Gormley, Cavanagh, Mulgrew and Jordan are indispensable. Beyond that things are looking decidedly average. Don't want to Mickey-bash again but I wonder if he honestly believes he has a side capable of winning major honours. He's a smart man so I assume he does. Simply cannot see it myself, unless he has something up his sleeve in terms of a change to his traditional system. Brolly used to extol the virtue of the Tyrone system, claiming we were the best at what we do, workrate in defence, breaking with speed and numbers and clinical in attack. I just feel that all three are weakening as the older personnel are showing wear and tear and the new boys are not at the level required to play that type of game.

Im not suggesting all is rosy ONeill - there is clearly a lot of work to be done - but I certainly dont think its "desperate times" after a mediocre runout in the opening round of the league. What Id like to see addressed in the next few weeks is FB (leave Gormley at no.6 where he is at his best unless we really have no other option for FB) and finding a forward or two who can be relied on for a few scores (sorting out the aforementioned free taking issue is also important).

Id like to see something like this when (if ) we have everybody available, this team could do some damage IMO. Devine, McMenamin, McCarron, McCaul, Carlin/Harte, C.Gormley, Jordan, McGinley, S.Cavanagh, Dooher, B.McGuigan, Mulgrew, N.Gormley, C.Cavanagh/T.McGuigan, Mulligan.