Boxing Thread

[Milltown Row2]

It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'

I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.

The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him

[GetOverTheBar]

Agree with all of that.

Strange that boxers seem to be getting some of the flak rather than the root of the problem

They are getting an unprecedentedly good deal. No management fees and only a cut if they make it at the top. That is, literally, too good to be true.

The analogy with football fails. The owners are vetted and clubs finances are audited. We can discuss what they vet for, bit comparisons between Arab princes and cartels are fatuous

MTK I believe, without any evidence, just on following various people who have more insight than I do....they actually cover one of the boxers single biggest expenses also, their fight camp / preparation.

I think this, more than anything else we might have heard or being told brings people under their banner - it's really hard to say no to that, with those type of training partners. It's kind of domino like, considering the sole nature of the sport....once one goes, the other will go.....especially if they have trained together prior.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Agree with all of that.

Strange that boxers seem to be getting some of the flak rather than the root of the problem

They are getting an unprecedentedly good deal. No management fees and only a cut if they make it at the top. That is, literally, too good to be true.

The analogy with football fails. The owners are vetted and clubs finances are audited. We can discuss what they vet for, bit comparisons between Arab princes and cartels are fatuous

MTK I believe, without any evidence, just on following various people who have more insight than I do....they actually cover one of the boxers single biggest expenses also, their fight camp / preparation.

I think this, more than anything else we might have heard or being told brings people under their banner - it's really hard to say no to that, with those type of training partners. It's kind of domino like, considering the sole nature of the sport....once one goes, the other will go.....especially if they have trained together prior.

Fine. But that great deal is funded by drugs and guns and the boxers know it. The idea that they are above criticism for accepting blood money is ludicrous

[GetOverTheBar]

Oh they aren't above criticism, that's the least they should expect, especially considering its pretty much an open secret.

The question was do they care? I would have guessed not.

[JimStynes]

It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'

I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.

The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him

He's bound to be a millionaire now after the court case

[Milltown Row2]

It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'

I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.

The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him

He's bound to be a millionaire now after the court case

Not at all, the settlement is undisclosed and I think it was more of a benefit to both if I'm reading between the lines ...

If I had a million tomorrow it be spent bey the end of the month !

[nrico2006]

It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'

I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.

The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him

He's bound to be a millionaire now after the court case

Frampton is a millionaire, don't think that is up for debate.  He is bound o have earned close to 2 million for the 2 Santa Cruz fights alone. 

As for the footballers or boxers caring about where their money comes from, to be honest, if I were in their shoes I wouldn't care either.   

[JimStynes]

It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'

I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.

The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him

He's bound to be a millionaire now after the court case

Not at all, the settlement is undisclosed and I think it was more of a benefit to both if I'm reading between the lines ...

If I had a million tomorrow it be spent bey the end of the month !

Surely frampton would have earned millions from his big fights? I can't see any other Irish boxers earning anywhere near what he has though.

[bigarsedkeeper]

It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'

I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.

The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him

He's bound to be a millionaire now after the court case

Not at all, the settlement is undisclosed and I think it was more of a benefit to both if I'm reading between the lines ...

If I had a million tomorrow it be spent bey the end of the month !

Surely frampton would have earned millions from his big fights? I can't see any other Irish boxers earning anywhere near what he has though.

I think this is where the whole court case came from. I had heard he had feck all left from the purse after McGuigan took his share and then Carl had to pay tax on the whole amount from what he had got left with.

The boxers through history have been treated very badly money wise by management companies, who weren't doing anyone any good but themselves. MTK has came in and gave them an unbelievably good deal in comparison. The nature of a boxing career means they'll more than likely take that and ignore the stuff behind it. That's some way understandable - the shite they put on twitter and Instagram after the show the other night wasn't. But it's not surprising when you read what they were saying about covid etc over the last yeay 

[Milltown Row2]

It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'

I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.

The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him

He's bound to be a millionaire now after the court case

Frampton is a millionaire, don't think that is up for debate.  He is bound o have earned close to 2 million for the 2 Santa Cruz fights alone. 

As for the footballers or boxers caring about where their money comes from, to be honest, if I were in their shoes I wouldn't care either.

That's just not true, the money earned on the Santa Cruz fights was absorbed through the various needs of the management ..

Flights (first class) whole family and management
Accommodation 5 star
Training camps
Promotion
Advertising
Wages
I could go on as there were other things that the money was spent on, after fight parties 'free' booze

None of which was spent from Barry's pocket

[quit yo jibbajabba]

Panorama team threatened after boxing programme tother night - cant copy and past but on bbc website

[tonto1888]

I see Amir Khan has come out in support of Kinihan

[JimStynes]

He really is stupid.

[nrico2006]

Khan actually really is dumb, still can't get over the Joshua accusations.  As for Kinahan, I'm sure that most of what is said is true but the argumentative side of me is saying that he has been convicted of nothing and if he really is what he is accused of being, then it shouldn't be too hard to prove, yet the authorities can't. 

[Kidder81]

Khan actually really is dumb, still can't get over the Joshua accusations.  As for Kinahan, I'm sure that most of what is said is true but the argumentative side of me is saying that he has been convicted of nothing and if he really is what he is accused of being, then it shouldn't be too hard to prove, yet the authorities can't.

Jesus that's some logic. Why do you think he is never in Ireland ?! Why do you think he is in Dubai, that has no extradition agreement with Ireland ?