Official Cavan GAA Thread

[rodney trotter]

Strong enough side. David Givney is an option inside oo, his form hasn't been good of late but if he get the head right and works hard he will be close enough to the side. A lot of options in midfield now so not needed there as such. Gilsenan is probaly under pressure with the kickouts.  Farrelly probaly a better all round keeper.Would leave McEnroe there,

The reason for playing Killian Brady in midfield is because he is a defensive player,. Played there with his club before. Mossy Corr was full back when he first got on the Cavan team and then was moved to midfield. Argue, McKiernan, and Givney are all attacking players and aren't as good with the defensive side of their game. Killian Clarke is probaly a better option as defensive player alongside Mckiernan as you said.

Alan Clarke might not have had his best game yesterday but is usually a very solid player and would expect him to be there come championship. Keating when on song is unmarkable as was evidenet from earlier in the year McKenna Cup and Railway Cup. Needs to find that confidence again, he was going well before he pulled the hamstring which knocked his form.

[tommysmith]

I will nit pick with the team you selected if you dont mind.

Gilsenan - just about, he needs to improve his kick outs.( Kickouts wont improve  I would throw Farrelly in  great kickout)
Fergal Flanagan - tight and can take a score.
R Dunne - Decent but no other option either
Hayes - solid
Moynagh - Need a ball player in the backs and can kick a score ( not sure if he is the man his temperament is questionable) K Clarke
Clarke - poor enough last day but is a leader ( Should not be near team not good enough a footballer to play this role) Mcenroe
Damien Reilly - Can take a score, big, can field a high ball.
Killian Clarke - Defensive midfield ( [ ( do we need defensive midfielders I would play him wing back and tell the midfielders to mark their men) Argue
Gearoid - Attacking midifeld, good for a few points.
Argue - An option on kick outs, good for a few points, strong. ( Lyng can play good ball to the forwards)
McDermott - Free taker, ball winner
Martin Reilly - Hard worker, good for a few points.
Mackey - free role out the field
Keating - Needs to make the right decisiion but can be unmarkable
Dunne - Free taker, on form could get you 4/5 points a game. Hopefully his form will return. Johnston stronger than Dunne and more accurate free taker - only joking but we are really stuck for forwards.

[rodney trotter]

Cavan play Galway next week in a challange game in Killygarry, would be a good time look at other alternatives in nets in that game. Gilsenan is  error prone, both with the kick outs and concentration during the game. Farrelly was solid enough for the u21s and is probaly worth a run.

[mylestheslasher]

I will nit pick with the team you selected if you dont mind.

Gilsenan - just about, he needs to improve his kick outs.( Kickouts wont improve  I would throw Farrelly in  great kickout)
Fergal Flanagan - tight and can take a score.
R Dunne - Decent but no other option either
Hayes - solid
Moynagh - Need a ball player in the backs and can kick a score ( not sure if he is the man his temperament is questionable) K Clarke
Clarke - poor enough last day but is a leader ( Should not be near team not good enough a footballer to play this role) Mcenroe
Damien Reilly - Can take a score, big, can field a high ball.
Killian Clarke - Defensive midfield ( [ ( do we need defensive midfielders I would play him wing back and tell the midfielders to mark their men) Argue
Gearoid - Attacking midifeld, good for a few points.
Argue - An option on kick outs, good for a few points, strong. ( Lyng can play good ball to the forwards)
McDermott - Free taker, ball winner
Martin Reilly - Hard worker, good for a few points.
Mackey - free role out the field
Keating - Needs to make the right decisiion but can be unmarkable
Dunne - Free taker, on form could get you 4/5 points a game. Hopefully his form will return. Johnston stronger than Dunne and more accurate free taker - only joking but we are really stuck for forwards.

Of course I dont mind Tommy!

However, In my opinion when you have Gearoid in Ctr Field you need a tracking midfield with him as Gearoid does not track back. Now you could argue that he should but in all the years I've watched him he just doesn't have that in his arsenal. Clarke could do that job, maybe even Corr if he is back in there. Don't agree on Clarke. He is solid and has done well in most games, had a bad day at the office on Saturday. Thats why I think Moynagh is an option, he is an all round footballer and could give us something in the half back line thats been missing. As for Johnston, more chance of me starting against Armagh.

[tommysmith]

Of course I dont mind Tommy!

However, In my opinion when you have Gearoid in Ctr Field you need a tracking midfield with him as Gearoid does not track back. Now you could argue that he should but in all the years I've watched him he just doesn't have that in his arsenal. Clarke could do that job, maybe even Corr if he is back in there. Don't agree on Clarke. He is solid and has done well in most games, had a bad day at the office on Saturday. Thats why I think Moynagh is an option, he is an all round footballer and could give us something in the half back line that's been missing. As for Johnston, more chance of me starting against Armagh.

If he does not track back who is going to mark his man, the tracking midfielder cannot mark two men, if he is not going to track back he should not be in midfield or the half forward line either as they attack as much as anyone else. We are at a serious disadvantage when we do not have possession, we need to find lads to play midfield who are athletes and will run all day.

I wouldn't have Clarke on the team not good enough, he does not mark anyone and looks better in some games as he gets on alot of ball his passing and kicking is poor. Moynagh would be better option here but he can be inclined to slow game down and wants to solo around men coming to tackle him which is deadly dangerous. I think we need to move the ball faster our of the backs.

Winning 4 Ulsters at U21 could be fruitless at Senior level as we don't have the midfielders or forwards to compete with the good teams in the modern games.  Monaghan seem to be a good bit ahead of us with little underage success which is worrying.

[rodney trotter]

Will see  how far Monaghan will be ahead when a few of the veterans retire. Paul Finlay, Vinnie Corey, Dessie Mone, Eoin lennon, Dick Clerkin , dont have many more years left in them.

Cavan are making progress, regardless of Saturday

[mylestheslasher]

Of course I dont mind Tommy!

However, In my opinion when you have Gearoid in Ctr Field you need a tracking midfield with him as Gearoid does not track back. Now you could argue that he should but in all the years I've watched him he just doesn't have that in his arsenal. Clarke could do that job, maybe even Corr if he is back in there. Don't agree on Clarke. He is solid and has done well in most games, had a bad day at the office on Saturday. Thats why I think Moynagh is an option, he is an all round footballer and could give us something in the half back line that's been missing. As for Johnston, more chance of me starting against Armagh.

If he does not track back who is going to mark his man, the tracking midfielder cannot mark two men, if he is not going to track back he should not be in midfield or the half forward line either as they attack as much as anyone else. We are at a serious disadvantage when we do not have possession, we need to find lads to play midfield who are athletes and will run all day.

I wouldn't have Clarke on the team not good enough, he does not mark anyone and looks better in some games as he gets on alot of ball his passing and kicking is poor. Moynagh would be better option here but he can be inclined to slow game down and wants to solo around men coming to tackle him which is deadly dangerous. I think we need to move the ball faster our of the backs.

Winning 4 Ulsters at U21 could be fruitless at Senior level as we don't have the midfielders or forwards to compete with the good teams in the modern games.  Monaghan seem to be a good bit ahead of us with little underage success which is worrying.

So are you proposing we take Gearoid out of Midfield?

I think you are being very harsh on Clarke, he played many fine games last year for us including playing a big part in bottling up Jamie Clarke against Armagh.

[rodney trotter]

He was excellent last year down in Enniskillen in the Championshio, and along with Rory Dunne was one of Cavan best players against Kerry. Does a solid job nothing flashy. He played very little of the League this year due to a wrist injury in the first round of the league, still only coming back to fitness

[Westside]

I think open games in Croker like that will show up players of limited ability. On Saturday Killian Brady and Alan Clarke were both shown up, James McEnroe to a lesser extent. However Alan Clarke and McEnroe are both very useful in the majority of games, looking long term they may want to be replaced if we start to open up a bit more but for now they aren't bad lads to have in there. Clarke is a leader and tough as teak, if Moynagh can overcome the constant injuries and mature his play a bit he is the obvious successor Clarke's jersey but he's not ready yet.

I think management need to be a bit more willing to take off Keating when he's obviously not performing, it was the same against Kerry last year. We need a plan B in the inside forward line. O'Connor and Tierney perhaps. And looking longer term we need to have a huge focus on developing some ball winning inside forwards and a top quality free taker.

Anyone know if the idea to have 2 points for a free kicked off the ground at underage was introduced?

[rodney trotter]

Would yot not subsitute Dunne when he wasn't playing well? At least Keating was winning his own ball like he was against Kerry

[comeysfield]

Roscommon scored a fluke going for a point we missed a penalty. That is a five  point turnaround which would have seen us win by 3. Not that simple but you could see us beating those lads 

Maybe we had decided to give Alan Clarke, Keating and Gearoid Game time as they are still on the way back to full fitness. Armagh is the main objective. I think we tried to play a little bit more open we went for the game a bit more and we lost. No big panic the future just might still be blue. Would like to have seen more of Tierney because I thought he deserved a run after the league but there you go

[Westside]

I singled out Keating because he was left on until the end against Kerry and Roscommon and contributed very little. Dunne was taken off against Kerry. Winning your own ball isn't much use if you won't lay it off as players break past and you consistently take impossible shots and waste possession. Of course Dunne should be taken off if he's playing poorly. But simply because Keating is strong enough to win himself some possession doesn't mean he's contributing enough to stay on the field. Keating's shot selection is dire, he seems happy to get one point out of every 3 or 4 hail mary shots he takes, salute the crowd and go at it again.

[Old yeller]

He was excellent last year down in Enniskillen in the Championshio, and along with Rory Dunne was one of Cavan best players against Kerry. Does a solid job nothing flashy. He played very little of the League this year due to a wrist injury in the first round of the league, still only coming back to fitness

EVER! Thats his main problem, he does the simple stuff well but never does anything else. Moynagh is a ball player

[Old yeller]

Roscommon scored a fluke going for a point we missed a penalty. That is a five  point turnaround which would have seen us win by 3. Not that simple but you could see us beating those lads 

Maybe we had decided to give Alan Clarke, Keating and Gearoid Game time as they are still on the way back to full fitness. Armagh is the main objective. I think we tried to play a little bit more open we went for the game a bit more and we lost. No big panic the future just might still be blue. Would like to have seen more of Tierney because I thought he deserved a run after the league but there you go

I agree with ya there, on another day we could have ran away with it. Very little between the two teams, Ros beaten once this year, by Cavan and vice versa

[Itchy]

Ros goal may have been a fluke but in fairness he should have buried it. Ros were worth their win. Our forward line needs surgery but our options are very limited.