Allianz

Started by Baile Brigín 2, December 23, 2025, 07:00:10 PM

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The Allianz Deal

Drop it now
Don't renew
Leave in place

Voting closes: January 31, 2026, 07:00:10 PM

Truthsayer

Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.

The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.

Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
I don't see any lies and I did say I didn't care about the sponsorship.
BB2 I presume you have resigned membership of the GAA and made it clear to the association why you have done so and I hope your principled stance brings about the outcome you want.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.

The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.

Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
I don't see any lies and I did say I didn't care about the sponsorship.
BB2 I presume you have resigned membership of the GAA and made it clear to the association why you have done so and I hope your principled stance brings about the outcome you want.
How do you resign your GAA membership? Do you ring your club and tell them you're 'resigning'?

seafoid

From August

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/08/20/gaa-players-protest-over-organisations-sponsorship-deal-with-allianz/


Almost 800 football, hurling and camogie players have signed an open letter asking the GAA to end its relationship with Allianz, an insurance company, claiming its financial ties are "enabling the genocide of the Palestinian people".

The letter was delivered to Tom Ryan, the director general of the GAA, at a protest outside Croke Park on Wednesday.

Allianz is a sponsor of the GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship, the Allianz Leagues, the Camogie Association and Cumann na mBunscol.

A United Nations report published in June this year, led by special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories Francesca Albanese, found that asset management firms including Pimco, which is owned by German-based financial services company Allianz, was a significant buyer of Israeli treasury bonds. These bonds, the report argues, play a "critical role in funding the ongoing assault on Gaza".



GTP

I would put the resignation in writing. I guess not renewing for 2026 will be easier, certainly if I believed the GAA is complicit in genocide through sponsorship by a company that is funding the war and weapons companies I wouldn't be a member.

Truthsayer

Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 04:29:50 PMI would put the resignation in writing. I guess not renewing for 2026 will be easier, certainly if I believed the GAA is complicit in genocide through sponsorship by a company that is funding the war and weapons companies I wouldn't be a member.
Not sure why we would leave the GAA which is as much our organisation and life since childhood. It is who we are. Better to fight this bullshit from within.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.

The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.

Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
I don't see any lies and I did say I didn't care about the sponsorship.
BB2 I presume you have resigned membership of the GAA and made it clear to the association why you have done so and I hope your principled stance brings about the outcome you want.
That's my only option?

GTP

I guess you could accept the GAA position and that others may not share your viewpoint.
It is up to you if you wish to remain part of an organisation you are saying is complicit in genocide. It seemed very important to you.

Truthsayer

Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 08:26:08 PMI guess you could accept the GAA position and that others may not share your viewpoint.
It is up to you if you wish to remain part of an organisation you are saying is complicit in genocide. It seemed very important to you.
Just walk away and not fight against GAA leaders who are imposing this? 🤷  It's not over by a long shot.
Maybe that's what you want... "go away and don't challenge the genocide complicity... "

GTP

Quote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2025, 08:31:06 PM
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 08:26:08 PMI guess you could accept the GAA position and that others may not share your viewpoint.
It is up to you if you wish to remain part of an organisation you are saying is complicit in genocide. It seemed very important to you.
Just walk away and not fight against GAA leaders who are imposing this? 🤷  It's not over by a long shot.
Maybe that's what you want... "go away and don't challenge the genocide complicity... "
You have said the leaders are imposing this, yet your alternative is to impose your view on other GAA members which is hardly democratic.
Good luck with the campaign.

Truthsayer

Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2025, 08:31:06 PM
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 08:26:08 PMI guess you could accept the GAA position and that others may not share your viewpoint.
It is up to you if you wish to remain part of an organisation you are saying is complicit in genocide. It seemed very important to you.
Just walk away and not fight against GAA leaders who are imposing this? 🤷  It's not over by a long shot.
Maybe that's what you want... "go away and don't challenge the genocide complicity... "
You have said the leaders are imposing this, yet your alternative is to impose your view on other GAA members which is hardly democratic.
Good luck with the campaign.
You need a democratic vote on whether the GAA should endorse genocide? Jeez!
Bring it on then...

GTP

I don't accept we are endorsing genocide so I won't comment further.

Truthsayer

And we will comment further...

Duine Inteacht Eile

There is a very serious crisis at the heart of all this so I say this rather reluctantly, but, how this plays out within the GAA will be fascinating on a number of fronts.

Armagh18

The GAA should do better, simple as that.

f**k the money


Rossfan

From "Novara media"

Two insurance firms, Allianz and Aviva, have stopped underwriting Israel's largest weapons manufacturer after a sustained direct action campaign by Palestine Action.

Allianz's coverage of Elbit Systems UK ended on 1 November, while Aviva's employment liability insurance coverage of UAV Engines Ltd – an Elbit subsidiary – came to an end on 7 September.

Elbit Systems UK is now receiving employer's liability insurance from Aspen Insurance, and UAV Engines is being insured by Chubb.

Aspen's Fenchurch Street offices were splashed with red paint in protest on Tuesday 23 December. Shortly afterwards, Swedish activist Greta Thunberg was arrested at the same location under section 13 of the Terrorism Act for holding a sign with the words: "I support Palestine Action prisoners. I oppose genocide."

The direct action campaign against Allianz and Aviva began in October 2024, before the group was proscribed under UK terror law, and involved Palestine Action targeting ten Allianz offices in one day to demand the firm cut ties with Elbit.

Palestine Action activists repeatedly targeted the insurance firms with red paint, flares and Palestinian flags. Allianz and Aviva both threatened Palestine Action with legal action before the group's proscription in July.

Palestine Action co-founder Huda Ammori told Novara Media: "This victory is testament to the power of direct action, and also exemplifies why Palestine Action was proscribed.

"It was banned because it was effective at disrupting the Israeli weapons industry."

Elbit is a key manufacturer of drones and other weapons in Britain used in Israel's genocide in Gaza. Israel has killed at least 70,000 in Gaza since October 2023, including approximately 20,000 children. Gaza is home to more child amputees than anywhere else on Earth.

Allianz confirmed earlier this month that it has "no relationship with Elbit Systems and does not engage in any investment or underwriting activity connected to the Middle East".
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