Allianz

[Armagh18]

I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs. They're funding people that are murdering children day in day out. If it's a million a year a good pay cut for that p***k Burns and his buddies would soften plenty of that.

Short and to the point and 100% right.

Sponsorship - I'm sure there have been examples in other sports where embedded sponsors have been removed. This should be the easy part to do. If it's 1M a year, then make up that 1M by charging RTE more for rights to the games. Charge more for the use of Croke Park for other events - an extra 1euro per concert ticket would go a long way towards hitting 1M a year. 3 concerts at 1eur per ticket more is approx 250K. Open sponsorship options for smaller local companies like LCC or First Derivative's. 1M to these companies I think would be entirely feasible. The point I'm making is that with a little bit of innovation, that lost sponsorship can be replaced by other means so there should be minimal impact to the organisation.

Insurance - I assume insurance is paid in advance for a period of time. That means there is time to look for alternative insurer's before the existing policies lapse. Why does all insurance have to come from 1 provider? What about each county/province procuring their own? It de-risks putting all your eggs in one basket AND might give you more insurance options as the potential liability is less due to a smaller number of assets being insured.

I wonder though, is there some sort of tax dodge (or brown envelope) reason for the sponsor also being the insurer?
Cost of insurance vs Income from Sponsorhip from the same company?

Either way, there is no reason that I can see that should tie the GAA indefinitely to any organisation and if there is, then that's a governance issue in itself. I think there's a rule somewhere that players, clubs or whoever can be disciplined for bringing the games into disrepute. Surely associating with and takings sponsorship from companies profiting from genocide is doing serious damage to the GAA reputation. GAA profiting from genocide by proxy.

Jarlath Burns has not had a good term. His handling of issues have been, imo, tainted with an air of superiority from him. His comments from the weekend on how difficult he had it in the troubles felt like deflection and an attempt to better his own public perception, but for me it was a disgusting line to cross. A lot of this feels like the Jarlath show and he's not coming out of it well, his legacy will not be a good one. I was genuinely happy to see him get the role as I thought he'd do a lot of good, but I am extremely disappointed in his leadership.

100% and the brown envelope point is surely likely.

Jarlaths comments on how bad we had it around here are disgusting. As bad and awful as it was around here for years it absolutely pales in comparison to Gaza, we never had bombs rain from the sky.

[Truthsayer]

Jarlath's comments were horrendous, including:
"It's a bit ironic that people who are protesting against illegal occupation will come in and illegally occupy our building."
Is he really comparing protesters forcing their way into Congress to the murderous illegal occupation of Palestine?
And "our building"... totally detached from the grassroots.

[GTP]

looking to the GAABoard for an answer would be stupidity of the highest level.

And yet there are multiple suggestions that insurance companies and sponsors are all willing and able to fill the void.
The GAA could explain the implications of disassociating itself with the sponsor much better but even if it did some people won't accept it, as they don't believe anything the GAA has said on the matter yet do believe that brown envelopes are involved keeping the sponsor in place.
"Allianz plc provides insurance cover for the GAA and assists with the Association's Player Injury Fund." As quoted from The Ethics and Integrity Commission's Report.
This could mean it insures everything pitches, players etc. etc. or it could be car insurance for a couple of cars. And it would be good for members to be informed about what the implications of this loss of insurance would be.
Armagh18 says "I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs." – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?

[Armagh18]

looking to the GAABoard for an answer would be stupidity of the highest level.

And yet there are multiple suggestions that insurance companies and sponsors are all willing and able to fill the void.
The GAA could explain the implications of disassociating itself with the sponsor much better but even if it did some people won't accept it, as they don't believe anything the GAA has said on the matter yet do believe that brown envelopes are involved keeping the sponsor in place.
"Allianz plc provides insurance cover for the GAA and assists with the Association's Player Injury Fund." As quoted from The Ethics and Integrity Commission's Report.
This could mean it insures everything pitches, players etc. etc. or it could be car insurance for a couple of cars. And it would be good for members to be informed about what the implications of this loss of insurance would be.
Armagh18 says "I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs." – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?

Yes to be honest. Not in a million years do I think it would come to that as believe it or not there is more than one insurance company in thw world

I'm disgusted at being associated with baby killers.

[tbrick18]

looking to the GAABoard for an answer would be stupidity of the highest level.

And yet there are multiple suggestions that insurance companies and sponsors are all willing and able to fill the void.
The GAA could explain the implications of disassociating itself with the sponsor much better but even if it did some people won't accept it, as they don't believe anything the GAA has said on the matter yet do believe that brown envelopes are involved keeping the sponsor in place.
"Allianz plc provides insurance cover for the GAA and assists with the Association's Player Injury Fund." As quoted from The Ethics and Integrity Commission's Report.
This could mean it insures everything pitches, players etc. etc. or it could be car insurance for a couple of cars. And it would be good for members to be informed about what the implications of this loss of insurance would be.
Armagh18 says "I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs." – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?

Have you ever changed insurance provider for your car, or house, or travel insurance, or public liability? Or have you been with the same company for 20 years?
Of course it's possible to change insurers and often it makes financial sense to do so.
The Ethics committee quote you reference can also suggest that Allianz are so far embedded into the GAA that they can't be removed. If that's the case, there are some really serious issues around how the GAA is being managed, and if Jarlath can't see that he's even more inept than he gets the credit for.
In the public sector, suppliers are only ever given a fixed term for services or products and then they have to re-tender to avoid this entrenchment of a single supplier, provide transparency on where the money is spent and also to  ensure value for money.
I would think the GAA should be doing something similar regardless of Allianz links to a genocidal regime.

[trueblue1234]

looking to the GAABoard for an answer would be stupidity of the highest level.

And yet there are multiple suggestions that insurance companies and sponsors are all willing and able to fill the void.
The GAA could explain the implications of disassociating itself with the sponsor much better but even if it did some people won't accept it, as they don't believe anything the GAA has said on the matter yet do believe that brown envelopes are involved keeping the sponsor in place.
"Allianz plc provides insurance cover for the GAA and assists with the Association's Player Injury Fund." As quoted from The Ethics and Integrity Commission's Report.
This could mean it insures everything pitches, players etc. etc. or it could be car insurance for a couple of cars. And it would be good for members to be informed about what the implications of this loss of insurance would be.
Armagh18 says "I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs." – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?

People are guessing that other companies could step in and fill the void. That's a fairly standard business assumption. If that's not the case the GAA need to explain exactly why. This is too big an issue to try and paint over. The organisation needs to know what exactly is stopping the removal of Allianz. And in the absence of more detail from the GAA, people will fill that void with their own assumptions.

[Armagh18]

looking to the GAABoard for an answer would be stupidity of the highest level.

And yet there are multiple suggestions that insurance companies and sponsors are all willing and able to fill the void.
The GAA could explain the implications of disassociating itself with the sponsor much better but even if it did some people won't accept it, as they don't believe anything the GAA has said on the matter yet do believe that brown envelopes are involved keeping the sponsor in place.
"Allianz plc provides insurance cover for the GAA and assists with the Association's Player Injury Fund." As quoted from The Ethics and Integrity Commission's Report.
This could mean it insures everything pitches, players etc. etc. or it could be car insurance for a couple of cars. And it would be good for members to be informed about what the implications of this loss of insurance would be.
Armagh18 says "I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs." – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?

People are guessing that other companies could step in and fill the void. That's a fairly standard business assumption. If that's not the case the GAA need to explain exactly why. This is too big an issue to try and paint over. The organisation needs to know what exactly is stopping the removal of Allianz. And in the absence of more detail from the GAA, people will fill that void with their own assumptions.

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[mackers]

looking to the GAABoard for an answer would be stupidity of the highest level.

And yet there are multiple suggestions that insurance companies and sponsors are all willing and able to fill the void.
The GAA could explain the implications of disassociating itself with the sponsor much better but even if it did some people won't accept it, as they don't believe anything the GAA has said on the matter yet do believe that brown envelopes are involved keeping the sponsor in place.
"Allianz plc provides insurance cover for the GAA and assists with the Association's Player Injury Fund." As quoted from The Ethics and Integrity Commission's Report.
This could mean it insures everything pitches, players etc. etc. or it could be car insurance for a couple of cars. And it would be good for members to be informed about what the implications of this loss of insurance would be.
Armagh18 says "I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs." – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?

People are guessing that other companies could step in and fill the void. That's a fairly standard business assumption. If that's not the case the GAA need to explain exactly why. This is too big an issue to try and paint over. The organisation needs to know what exactly is stopping the removal of Allianz. And in the absence of more detail from the GAA, people will fill that void with their own assumptions.

A Central Council delegate informed our county board delegates at a recent meeting that Allianz were the only company willing to quote on the GAA insurance policy at the last renewal.  I don't see any reason why this should be said if it wasn't true.  Some posters comparing it to switching your car or house insurance is bonkers.  The renewal of your car or house insurance is a damned sight more straightforward than the renewal of the policy that the GAA are looking for. 

[Baile Brigín 2]

Some things are bigger than money. How much do Allianz put in? Surely there's non child killing companies who would step up and fill at least some of the void?

This is not just about the Allianz sponsorship, Allianz are also the GAA's insurance provider in a very limited market.

Yes, get rid of Allianz but trying to get another insurance provider not balls deep in the Zionist project won't be easy

Yet every other sport manages to insure itself...

Who do the IRFU or FAI use?

They may well be using Allianz as well for all we know.

I'm not saying there aren't other options out there.

They aren't centralised like the GAA are. Clubs do their own thing, so presumably some are with Allianz.

But the idea that it would be impossible  to get new insurance is bonkers. 2,000 new policies over a year is buttons. There are 8,000 new or renewed car policies a day.

[Baile Brigín 2]

" – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?

This isn't a serious contribution.

There are 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland. Pick from the other 177.

[trueblue1234]

A Central Council delegate informed our county board delegates at a recent meeting that Allianz were the only company willing to quote on the GAA insurance policy at the last renewal.  I don't see any reason why this should be said if it wasn't true.  Some posters comparing it to switching your car or house insurance is bonkers.  The renewal of your car or house insurance is a damned sight more straightforward than the renewal of the policy that the GAA are looking for. 

I find it hard to believe that to be honest. But if that's was the case, then that should be publicly communicated and the GAA should be able to show that no other company was interested. But without any sort of evidence, I wouldn't be prepared to believe that.
I agree it's not as simple as car insurance/ house insurance. But as BB says above it's centralised therefore should make it easier.

[tbrick18]

A Central Council delegate informed our county board delegates at a recent meeting that Allianz were the only company willing to quote on the GAA insurance policy at the last renewal.  I don't see any reason why this should be said if it wasn't true.  Some posters comparing it to switching your car or house insurance is bonkers.  The renewal of your car or house insurance is a damned sight more straightforward than the renewal of the policy that the GAA are looking for. 

I find it hard to believe that to be honest. But if that's was the case, then that should be publicly communicated and the GAA should be able to show that no other company was interested. But without any sort of evidence, I wouldn't be prepared to believe that.
I agree it's not as simple as car insurance/ house insurance. But as BB says above it's centralised therefore should make it easier.

In my work, we will often opt out of tendering if it's felt the buyer isn't going to change suppliers or we can't win on price.
No idea if that's the case here, but if the perception is that Allianz are embedded to the point where the GAA are not going to change them, no-one will tender.
It should be communicated though if the case.

[gallsman]

100% and the brown envelope point is surely likely.

Spurious nonsense.

[Armagh18]

100% and the brown envelope point is surely likely.

Spurious nonsense.

Maybe, but would you be overly surprised?