The UK Labour Party

[thewobbler]

Social expectations is an interesting concept.

I wonder MR2 whether the generations before the "boomers" considered their descendants as being entitled/ mollycoddled because they believed  running water, sanitation and electricity to be essentials rather than luxuries?

Because that seems to be the crux of your argument.

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The role of any generation should be to leave the world in a better place than they found it, otherwise do not procreate.



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Any point you want to make on minimum wage is moot. Wages aren't important. Spending power is.

[Genocide Organ]

The role of any generation should be to leave the world in a better place than they found it, otherwise do not procreate.

A lot of people aren't.

[Baile Brigín 2]

We are living better than our parents

I think pretty much every expert would disagree with that.

The millennial in Ireland will be the first generation since the famine to have a lower economic reality than their parents.

[Milltown Row2]

Eh? My parents were born post ww2 I'm definitely along with my siblings and friends with their families have more..

I'm being anecdotal but if you've evidence I'd like to analyse it

[Baile Brigín 2]

Eh? My parents were born post ww2 I'm definitely along with my siblings and friends with their families have more..

I'm being anecdotal but if you've evidence I'd like to analyse it

Fair enough.

The generation behind you have it worse.

Don't give me 'they have mobile phones and X boxes'. They are much less likely to own a home, have a secure, pensionable job and get decent healthcare and a pension from the state.

[AustinPowers]

Alternatively, the neoliberal economic system is working absolutely fine & as was intended all along. The billionaires, oligarchs, cartels & corporations have hoovered up & bought up all of the politicians. The politicians then award them all of the government contracts that are going. Start the odd war or 2, to keep the military/industrial complex happy. Everyone who matters does exceptionally well out of the deal. The only people getting excluded are the ordinary punters.

Agree with all you said , but  that was all that was needed  really.  Depressingly, it's never  going to change.

The table is tilted, the  game is rigged.

[Milltown Row2]

Eh? My parents were born post ww2 I'm definitely along with my siblings and friends with their families have more..

I'm being anecdotal but if you've evidence I'd like to analyse it

Fair enough.

The generation behind you have it worse.

Don't give me 'they have mobile phones and X boxes'. They are much less likely to own a home, have a secure, pensionable job and get decent healthcare and a pension from the state.

Parents never owned their home, they had health care and a state pension, there is no actual evidence that the state pension will not be available or health care is going to end.

You are making stuff up, if it happens we can talk about it then.

I'm personally bored of people who live off the state who are complaining about life being hard..

Decisions are made, they are choices people make..

If you want to own a home it's within your capabilities to do so, was it easier years ago? Maybe, but owning a home doesn't define you, I still don't own 'my home'
 Will I help my kids if I can? Yep but they can help themselves first

[DaleCooper]

1894 — Rooks County Record (Kansas):
"It is becoming apparent that nobody wants to work these hard times."

1905 — Edgefield Advertiser (South Carolina):
"Labor is scarce, high and very unreliable. No one wants to work for wages."

1916 — Binghamton Press (New York):
"Nobody wants to work as hard as they used to."

1937 — York Gazette and Daily (Pennsylvania):
"Nobody wants to work anymore."

[DaleCooper]

A stupid hateful lie pushed by big business to drive down wages and justify importing those who will live 10 to a house slaughtering tortured flesh

https://archive.ph/ywOY3

[Tony Baloney]

Eh? My parents were born post ww2 I'm definitely along with my siblings and friends with their families have more..

I'm being anecdotal but if you've evidence I'd like to analyse it

Fair enough.

The generation behind you have it worse.

Don't give me 'they have mobile phones and X boxes'. They are much less likely to own a home, have a secure, pensionable job and get decent healthcare and a pension from the state.

Parents never owned their home, they had health care and a state pension, there is no actual evidence that the state pension will not be available or health care is going to end.

You are making stuff up, if it happens we can talk about it then.

I'm personally bored of people who live off the state who are complaining about life being hard..

Decisions are made, they are choices people make..

If you want to own a home it's within your capabilities to do so, was it easier years ago? Maybe, but owning a home doesn't define you, I still don't own 'my home'
 Will I help my kids if I can? Yep but they can help themselves first

People making a lot of sweeping generalisations based on their own upbringing. I know you have said previously you grew up in Lower Falls. The majority of people on here would have no idea how tough that was in the 70s and 80s.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Eh? My parents were born post ww2 I'm definitely along with my siblings and friends with their families have more..

I'm being anecdotal but if you've evidence I'd like to analyse it

Fair enough.

The generation behind you have it worse.

Don't give me 'they have mobile phones and X boxes'. They are much less likely to own a home, have a secure, pensionable job and get decent healthcare and a pension from the state.

Parents never owned their home, they had health care and a state pension, there is no actual evidence that the state pension will not be available or health care is going to end.

You are making stuff up, if it happens we can talk about it then.

I'm personally bored of people who live off the state who are complaining about life being hard..

Decisions are made, they are choices people make..

If you want to own a home it's within your capabilities to do so, was it easier years ago? Maybe, but owning a home doesn't define you, I still don't own 'my home'
 Will I help my kids if I can? Yep but they can help themselves first

People making a lot of sweeping generalisations based on their own upbringing. I know you have said previously you grew up in Lower Falls. The majority of people on here would have no idea how tough that was in the 70s and 80s.

No, people are looking at the macro evidence.

Just because one poster claims his parents had it tougher than him doesn't change the economic data.

Millennial are the first generation in lots to have worse economic conditions than their parents

[RedHand88]

The plural of anecdote is not data.
My da recently made the comment that young ones have it so much better now because there are far more channels on the TV.
This is a man who left school with 2 O-levels and built a 3 bedroom house for £16,000 (47k with inflation).

[JoG2]

Eh? My parents were born post ww2 I'm definitely along with my siblings and friends with their families have more..

I'm being anecdotal but if you've evidence I'd like to analyse it

Fair enough.

The generation behind you have it worse.

Don't give me 'they have mobile phones and X boxes'. They are much less likely to own a home, have a secure, pensionable job and get decent healthcare and a pension from the state.

Parents never owned their home, they had health care and a state pension, there is no actual evidence that the state pension will not be available or health care is going to end.

You are making stuff up, if it happens we can talk about it then.

I'm personally bored of people who live off the state who are complaining about life being hard..

Decisions are made, they are choices people make..

If you want to own a home it's within your capabilities to do so, was it easier years ago? Maybe, but owning a home doesn't define you, I still don't own 'my home'
 Will I help my kids if I can? Yep but they can help themselves first

You writing for the Daily Mail these days?

[Baile Brigín 2]

The plural of anecdote is not data.
My da recently made the comment that young ones have it so much better now because there are far more channels on the TV.
This is a man who left school with 2 O-levels and built a 3 bedroom house for £16,000 (47k with inflation).

Correct.

It's quite bonkers to believe and 20 year old has the same socio economic prospects or chance of upwards mobility we had based on the Falls in the 70's being a hard place.

For me this is a failure of the European centre left parties. They moved too far into rights issues, which were important, and left economic matters to the market. Historically if the Tories and equivalent screwed people over, they voted them out and things rebalanced. The social democrat parties are now unable to put their stamp on things now and readjust the pie. So the far right stole their economic clothes and are pitching it as a crisis.

[Milltown Row2]

Eh? My parents were born post ww2 I'm definitely along with my siblings and friends with their families have more..

I'm being anecdotal but if you've evidence I'd like to analyse it

Fair enough.

The generation behind you have it worse.

Don't give me 'they have mobile phones and X boxes'. They are much less likely to own a home, have a secure, pensionable job and get decent healthcare and a pension from the state.

Parents never owned their home, they had health care and a state pension, there is no actual evidence that the state pension will not be available or health care is going to end.

You are making stuff up, if it happens we can talk about it then.

I'm personally bored of people who live off the state who are complaining about life being hard..

Decisions are made, they are choices people make..

If you want to own a home it's within your capabilities to do so, was it easier years ago? Maybe, but owning a home doesn't define you, I still don't own 'my home'
 Will I help my kids if I can? Yep but they can help themselves first

You writing for the Daily Mail these days?

Not English or over 58, not conservative nor having right tendencies not middle class so writing for them would be against their demographic ?