2025 AIB Ulster Club Football Senior Championship

[gallsman]

What was Gallagher found guilty of? Or charged with? Now, maybe Burns did write to Cullyhanna like he did with Naas, but surely we'd have heard something by now. He felt it inappropriate to have Gallagher anywhere near the game, despite there being no prosecution. In Nugent's case, he's been charged with some pretty heinous stuff and is awaiting trial, but not a peep from Burns about his fellow Armagh man less than five minutes up the road?

To be crystal clear, I think Derry 100% did the right thing. There was no way he could have continued in his position.

Jarlath  left himself wide open with the Gallagher thing. Now every misdemeanour (or alleged misdemeanour) from a player/coach  , people will ask, why not go after X or  Y, like you did with Gallagher ? (As we see now   with Nugent )

 We  all seen what the  general public opinion was   after the RG allegations came out. I think Jarlath  was more interested in "to be seen to be doing the right thing"    rather than  abiding   by any GAA rules or the law

Well this was my original question, and why I was surprised to see that he's lining out. Given public opinion so quickly swung against Gallagher, I asked was nobody in Armagh so much as raising an eyebrow about Nugent. Armagh18, despite his previous position on Gallagher, adamantly maintains that nope, it's not an issue in the county at all. Is that really true?

[tiempo]

Alleged physical assault on woman, case thrown out without going to trial..life time ban from Gaa.


Charged sexual assault against woman, while awaiting trial...continue to play for gaa.

Fantastic message sent out by Burns.

The game changer initiative needs to be mothballed, encouraging rank and file untrained GAA members to escalate allegations of wrongdoing within their community is a moronic vision especially when the President himself has used it to make an example of someone with no consideration of due process or onward impact on the affected children

Nugent is another curious case and further evidence that game changer is nothing but virtue signaling

[general_lee]

What was Gallagher found guilty of? Or charged with? Now, maybe Burns did write to Cullyhanna like he did with Naas, but surely we'd have heard something by now. He felt it inappropriate to have Gallagher anywhere near the game, despite there being no prosecution. In Nugent's case, he's been charged with some pretty heinous stuff and is awaiting trial, but not a peep from Burns about his fellow Armagh man less than five minutes up the road?

To be crystal clear, I think Derry 100% did the right thing. There was no way he could have continued in his position.

Jarlath  left himself wide open with the Gallagher thing. Now every misdemeanour (or alleged misdemeanour) from a player/coach  , people will ask, why not go after X or  Y, like you did with Gallagher ? (As we see now  with Nugent )

 We  all seen what the  general public opinion was  after the RG allegations came out. I think Jarlath  was more interested in "to be seen to be doing the right thing"    rather than  abiding  by any GAA rules or the law

Well this was my original question, and why I was surprised to see that he's lining out. Given public opinion so quickly swung against Gallagher, I asked was nobody in Armagh so much as raising an eyebrow about Nugent. Armagh18, despite his previous position on Gallagher, adamantly maintains that nope, it's not an issue in the county at all. Is that really true?

It wouldn't sit well with me if I was from Cullyhanna and he got turfed off the Armagh panel immediately (there wasn't exactly uproar over that decision) so I think most people in the county are content to go with the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

[Ethan Tremblay]

What was Gallagher found guilty of? Or charged with? Now, maybe Burns did write to Cullyhanna like he did with Naas, but surely we'd have heard something by now. He felt it inappropriate to have Gallagher anywhere near the game, despite there being no prosecution. In Nugent's case, he's been charged with some pretty heinous stuff and is awaiting trial, but not a peep from Burns about his fellow Armagh man less than five minutes up the road?

To be crystal clear, I think Derry 100% did the right thing. There was no way he could have continued in his position.

Jarlath  left himself wide open with the Gallagher thing. Now every misdemeanour (or alleged misdemeanour) from a player/coach  , people will ask, why not go after X or  Y, like you did with Gallagher ? (As we see now  with Nugent )

 We  all seen what the  general public opinion was  after the RG allegations came out. I think Jarlath  was more interested in "to be seen to be doing the right thing"    rather than  abiding  by any GAA rules or the law

Well this was my original question, and why I was surprised to see that he's lining out. Given public opinion so quickly swung against Gallagher, I asked was nobody in Armagh so much as raising an eyebrow about Nugent. Armagh18, despite his previous position on Gallagher, adamantly maintains that nope, it's not an issue in the county at all. Is that really true?

Few things on this from my armagh view:

As mentioned already, burns left himself open to any critique on who/who should not be playing gaa due to pending legal issues. Perhaps he has learnt not to get involved in these things going forward. 

For talks sake, if he called over the road to cullyhanna and gave his opinion, they no more have to implement it.

Regarding the holiday and getting dropped off the armagh team, the allegations were against a teammates partner, crime or not. Mcgeeney has the right to run that team the way he wants.  He may not have wanted that division within his team and dropped the perpetrator. I don't believe that's an indicator of a crime.

Regarding nugent playing, he is innocent until proven guilty at this moment in time. He is running his business as normal and at this moment in time he hasn't admitted guilt and this is going to trial, so, he is willing to prove his innocence.  He is not willing to put his life on pause for something he clearly feels he is not guilty of.

This going to trial will reveal more of the truth than what circulated around whattsapp at the time.  Whether he is ultimately found guilty or not, I think he will taken some reputational damage.

It may be more telling how his club handle the situation post trial than now also.

[tiempo]

Genuine question, if innocent til proven guilty why would he have to prove his innocence, surely for others to provide evidence of guilt?

[Armagh18]

What was Gallagher found guilty of? Or charged with? Now, maybe Burns did write to Cullyhanna like he did with Naas, but surely we'd have heard something by now. He felt it inappropriate to have Gallagher anywhere near the game, despite there being no prosecution. In Nugent's case, he's been charged with some pretty heinous stuff and is awaiting trial, but not a peep from Burns about his fellow Armagh man less than five minutes up the road?

To be crystal clear, I think Derry 100% did the right thing. There was no way he could have continued in his position.

Jarlath  left himself wide open with the Gallagher thing. Now every misdemeanour (or alleged misdemeanour) from a player/coach  , people will ask, why not go after X or  Y, like you did with Gallagher ? (As we see now   with Nugent )

 We  all seen what the  general public opinion was   after the RG allegations came out. I think Jarlath  was more interested in "to be seen to be doing the right thing"    rather than  abiding   by any GAA rules or the law

Well this was my original question, and why I was surprised to see that he's lining out. Given public opinion so quickly swung against Gallagher, I asked was nobody in Armagh so much as raising an eyebrow about Nugent. Armagh18, despite his previous position on Gallagher, adamantly maintains that nope, it's not an issue in the county at all. Is that really true?

True in my personal experience anyway, I don't know the lad that well but I'm sure plenty are standing by him and believe him and anyone else I've heard mention it are happy enough to let the issue go through the courts.

Any chance of abit of football talk.

[brokencrossbar1]

Genuine question, if innocent til proven guilty why would he have to prove his innocence, surely for others to provide evidence of guilt?

Correct hence why the prosecution will give their evidence first to reach the burden of proof in their case. At the end of their evidence the defence can make an application that they have failed to reach that level and the case should be dismissed. If they are successful then a defendant does not have to give evidence to prove their innocence. Basics of any criminal case. Aiden Nugent may or may not give evidence and with this seemingly being a he said/she said there will be a huge onus on the prosecution witnesses. That's for the day if the trial. Best leaving this stuff to another side as this thread should be football only.

As for the match I didn't get to watch it but for what I've heard and read Cullyhanna deserved winners. We had a brilliant stretch in the first half and vice versa for them in the second half but importantly theirs came at the key time of a game when momentum is everything. Games are never won or lost in the first 10 mins but can be in the last. Cullyhanna capitalised on this with Cian getting the black card and they lifted their game from what I can gather.

Like a said and was ridiculed there is a new name on the cup the year. Both teams have their own internal motivations,  Madden the Grimley family,  Cullyhanna Pearse Casey,  things like that can give an 10-15 % at key times so this will add an edge layer to this. Cullyhanna have the experience of winning at intermediate and pushing on to AI success with this group and the knowledge of how to win is huge but Madden I think are a slightly stronger team. The challenge for Cullyhanna will be getting their 'final' from last night out of their heads. This was the case when they had a late winner against us before and were dead by the time they played Maghery. I think it will be an even enough final. Heart says Cullyhanna (I am a Lower Creggan man at heart!) but head say Madden by 2-3.

[Armagh18]

Genuine question, if innocent til proven guilty why would he have to prove his innocence, surely for others to provide evidence of guilt?

Correct hence why the prosecution will give their evidence first to reach the burden of proof in their case. At the end of their evidence the defence can make an application that they have failed to reach that level and the case should be dismissed. If they are successful then a defendant does not have to give evidence to prove their innocence. Basics of any criminal case. Aiden Nugent may or may not give evidence and with this seemingly being a he said/she said there will be a huge onus on the prosecution witnesses. That's for the day if the trial. Best leaving this stuff to another side as this thread should be football only.

As for the match I didn't get to watch it but for what I've heard and read Cullyhanna deserved winners. We had a brilliant stretch in the first half and vice versa for them in the second half but importantly theirs came at the key time of a game when momentum is everything. Games are never won or lost in the first 10 mins but can be in the last. Cullyhanna capitalised on this with Cian getting the black card and they lifted their game from what I can gather.

Like a said and was ridiculed there is a new name on the cup the year. Both teams have their own internal motivations,  Madden the Grimley family,  Cullyhanna Pearse Casey,  things like that can give an 10-15 % at key times so this will add an edge layer to this. Cullyhanna have the experience of winning at intermediate and pushing on to AI success with this group and the knowledge of how to win is huge but Madden I think are a slightly stronger team. The challenge for Cullyhanna will be getting their 'final' from last night out of their heads. This was the case when they had a late winner against us before and were dead by the time they played Maghery. I think it will be an even enough final. Heart says Cullyhanna (I am a Lower Creggan man at heart!) but head say Madden by 2-3.

Madden could be in a similar boat though after Clann Eireann, 2 good sides and plenty of quality on both sides- thought the 3 county lads really stood up for Cullyhanna last night (as usual) A lot will depend on kickouts, Madden should have the advantage around the middle especially with Casey missing.

[statto]

What was Gallagher found guilty of? Or charged with? Now, maybe Burns did write to Cullyhanna like he did with Naas, but surely we'd have heard something by now. He felt it inappropriate to have Gallagher anywhere near the game, despite there being no prosecution. In Nugent's case, he's been charged with some pretty heinous stuff and is awaiting trial, but not a peep from Burns about his fellow Armagh man less than five minutes up the road?

To be crystal clear, I think Derry 100% did the right thing. There was no way he could have continued in his position.

Jarlath  left himself wide open with the Gallagher thing. Now every misdemeanour (or alleged misdemeanour) from a player/coach  , people will ask, why not go after X or  Y, like you did with Gallagher ? (As we see now   with Nugent )

 We  all seen what the  general public opinion was   after the RG allegations came out. I think Jarlath  was more interested in "to be seen to be doing the right thing"    rather than  abiding   by any GAA rules or the law

Well this was my original question, and why I was surprised to see that he's lining out. Given public opinion so quickly swung against Gallagher, I asked was nobody in Armagh so much as raising an eyebrow about Nugent. Armagh18, despite his previous position on Gallagher, adamantly maintains that nope, it's not an issue in the county at all. Is that really true?

What was Gallagher found guilty of? Or charged with? Now, maybe Burns did write to Cullyhanna like he did with Naas, but surely we'd have heard something by now. He felt it inappropriate to have Gallagher anywhere near the game, despite there being no prosecution. In Nugent's case, he's been charged with some pretty heinous stuff and is awaiting trial, but not a peep from Burns about his fellow Armagh man less than five minutes up the road?

To be crystal clear, I think Derry 100% did the right thing. There was no way he could have continued in his position.

Jarlath  left himself wide open with the Gallagher thing. Now every misdemeanour (or alleged misdemeanour) from a player/coach  , people will ask, why not go after X or  Y, like you did with Gallagher ? (As we see now   with Nugent )

 We  all seen what the  general public opinion was   after the RG allegations came out. I think Jarlath  was more interested in "to be seen to be doing the right thing"    rather than  abiding   by any GAA rules or the law

Well this was my original question, and why I was surprised to see that he's lining out. Given public opinion so quickly swung against Gallagher, I asked was nobody in Armagh so much as raising an eyebrow about Nugent. Armagh18, despite his previous position on Gallagher, adamantly maintains that nope, it's not an issue in the county at all. Is that really true?

He was removed from the Armagh panel with immediate effect after the allegations. Cullyhanna as a club have decided to stick by their member on the basis of innocent to proven guilty which they are entitled to do.

[gallsman]

It wouldn't sit well with me if I was from Cullyhanna and he got turfed off the Armagh panel immediately (there wasn't exactly uproar over that decision) so I think most people in the county are content to go with the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

How come you felt exactly the opposite about Gallagher?

I've given my vote based on what my thoughts would be as a Derry GAA supporter in this situation or if as an Armagh supporter we were faced with a similar scenario.

I don't think it is in the best interests of Derry GAA to re-appoint RG. I would immediately withdraw all support for the county if it went ahead. It sends out completely the wrong message and his candidacy should be declared a non-runner immediately. 

[bennydorano]

Even before last night's semi I thought Madden would beat either of them in the final. I still think so but Cullyhanna showed some serious steel last night. It will be a very close final, could see extra time / replay.

[general_lee]

It wouldn't sit well with me if I was from Cullyhanna and he got turfed off the Armagh panel immediately (there wasn't exactly uproar over that decision) so I think most people in the county are content to go with the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

How come you felt exactly the opposite about Gallagher?

I've given my vote based on what my thoughts would be as a Derry GAA supporter in this situation or if as an Armagh supporter we were faced with a similar scenario.

I don't think it is in the best interests of Derry GAA to re-appoint RG. I would immediately withdraw all support for the county if it went ahead. It sends out completely the wrong message and his candidacy should be declared a non-runner immediately. 

Eh? I'm not from Cullyhanna, and I don't necessarily approve of him continuing to play with them as you've chosen to ignore; but it's not my club and it's up to them to give him the benefit of the doubt until a verdict of an on-going court case is reached. I was quite happy for him to be fucked off the Armagh panel, I don't think there was much resistance from Armagh supporters and people are happy to wait and see. I personally would prefer if he never played for Armagh again.

[general_lee]

Even before last night's semi I thought Madden would beat either of them in the final. I still think so but Cullyhanna showed some serious steel last night. It will be a very close final, could see extra time / replay.

I had a feeling about Cullyhanna but I think Madden will be fit for them in the final. Should be a cracker and can't wait for it

[gallsman]

You said "if you were from Derry" you'd not want Gallagher near them but "if you were from Cullyhanna" it wouldn't sit well with you if Nugent were turfed off the panel. I'm struggling to square those two apparently contradictory points of view.

Again, I'm not asking whether people here do or don't think he should be playing. I asked whether there were any eyebrows raised in Armagh at all over it. One poster, who obviously can't speak for everyone in Armagh but chose to anyway, categorically said there were no eyebrows raised and that Nugent's participation in the championship to date is "a complete non issue". Given some of the heated opinions around the Gallagher situation, if true that strikes me as strange at best and massively hypocritical by many at worst.

[general_lee]

You said "if you were from Derry" you'd not want Gallagher near them but "if you were from Cullyhanna" it wouldn't sit well with you if Nugent were turfed off the panel. I'm struggling to square those two apparent contradictory points of view.

I meant; it wouldn't sit well with me (if I was from Cullyhanna) seeing him play for the club while accused of serious sexual offences. I think that's consistent with my view on RG.

I can't speak for everyone in Armagh but I haven't seen too many people declaring their unwavering support for Nugent.