All Ireland Hurling Final 2025, its on next weekend you know

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Milltown Row2

Quote from: Armagh18 on July 16, 2025, 11:11:07 AMKK players clearly thought they needed a goal, or they'd have taken points as there was time.

I'd need to watch back the final 4 minutes to see if there were opportunities for easier points, the goal opportunity at the end was one, but I can't remember another push for a goal before that..

I watched the interviews after the game and with the manager, I suppose not always the best time to interview the losing team but they never brought it up, the interview with the manager was well after the game and confusion on the scoreboard. Would have been a good time to add it into the mix.

Yes Johnny I wouldn't always have the exact score at hand, I do run with the book in my hand though, so access to it is easy enough, and when the game is tight I'll know if there is a point or two in it..

I think the media and others have made more of it, its unfortunate but no rules were broken and asking for a replay (which Kilkenny haven't) was never going to happen..

I'd been keen to hear a interview from a player or manager to see if that was their mindset (going for goals) when seeing the big screen had the wrong score up after the umpire waved a wide and didn't wave a flag..
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

johnnycool

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2025, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 16, 2025, 11:11:07 AMKK players clearly thought they needed a goal, or they'd have taken points as there was time.

I'd need to watch back the final 4 minutes to see if there were opportunities for easier points, the goal opportunity at the end was one, but I can't remember another push for a goal before that..

I watched the interviews after the game and with the manager, I suppose not always the best time to interview the losing team but they never brought it up, the interview with the manager was well after the game and confusion on the scoreboard. Would have been a good time to add it into the mix.

Yes Johnny I wouldn't always have the exact score at hand, I do run with the book in my hand though, so access to it is easy enough, and when the game is tight I'll know if there is a point or two in it..

I think the media and others have made more of it, its unfortunate but no rules were broken and asking for a replay (which Kilkenny haven't) was never going to happen..

I'd been keen to hear a interview from a player or manager to see if that was their mindset (going for goals) when seeing the big screen had the wrong score up after the umpire waved a wide and didn't wave a flag..

You won't get that as Kilkenny won't want to be seen as sore losers.

They do take their beatings in a manly way.

Maybe in a few years time when one of them releases their memoirs and needs to spice it up a bit you might find out more then.

johnnycool

Ok, apart from that, is anyone giving Tipp a bit of a chance?

I think it won't be the leaugue final or Munster round robin hammering, well I really hope not and I do think Tipp will still be in the game into the middle of the second half and if they are able to put the jitters up Cork who I believe do leak goals then you never know.

If they fall behind due to a massive flurry of Cork scores in the early third quarter, Cork will kick for home in a big way and win pulling up.

DaleCooper

Cork will be grounded and business like. It really all hinges on Tipp showing up with a monster of a performance.

johnnycool

Quote from: DaleCooper on July 16, 2025, 02:43:04 PMCork will be grounded and business like. It really all hinges on Tipp showing up with a monster of a performance.

There's a huge expectation in Cork, this is supposed to be a coronation as far as their fans are concerned.

It would be hard for that not to filter through to the players one way or the other.

The players won't be able to escape that hype from the public over the last few weeks.

Tipp IMO can have a free dig as getting to an AI final is bonus territory for Liam Cahill, they have nothing to lose unless they take an awful beating and I don't see that happening.


Cyril Farrell fan

There's no pressure on Tipp, yes, but they don't have enough quality to really challenge Cork.
They rode their luck a bit against Kilkenny. Kilkenny aren't that strong either.
Cork by 7.

Truthsayer

Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on July 16, 2025, 08:26:22 PMThere's no pressure on Tipp, yes, but they don't have enough quality to really challenge Cork.
They rode their luck a bit against Kilkenny. Kilkenny aren't that strong either.
Cork by 7.

No pressure on Tipp? You don't know the Tipp-Cork rivalry too well  :o

Cyril Farrell fan

Quote from: Truthsayer on July 16, 2025, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on July 16, 2025, 08:26:22 PMThere's no pressure on Tipp, yes, but they don't have enough quality to really challenge Cork.
They rode their luck a bit against Kilkenny. Kilkenny aren't that strong either.
Cork by 7.

No pressure on Tipp? You don't know the Tipp-Cork rivalry too well  :o
They seem to spend more time buttering each up than being rivals.

Truthsayer

Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on July 16, 2025, 09:01:03 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 16, 2025, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on July 16, 2025, 08:26:22 PMThere's no pressure on Tipp, yes, but they don't have enough quality to really challenge Cork.
They rode their luck a bit against Kilkenny. Kilkenny aren't that strong either.
Cork by 7.

No pressure on Tipp? You don't know the Tipp-Cork rivalry too well  :o
They seem to spend more time buttering each up than being rivals.

Maybe things have changed. I gave a few years bout Tipp.. was a fierce rivalry.

Cyril Farrell fan

When it comes down to it, they both hate 'weaker' counties beating them, or winning trophies even more.

Blowitupref

Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

EoinW

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2025, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 16, 2025, 11:11:07 AMKK players clearly thought they needed a goal, or they'd have taken points as there was time.

I'd need to watch back the final 4 minutes to see if there were opportunities for easier points, the goal opportunity at the end was one, but I can't remember another push for a goal before that..

I watched the interviews after the game and with the manager, I suppose not always the best time to interview the losing team but they never brought it up, the interview with the manager was well after the game and confusion on the scoreboard. Would have been a good time to add it into the mix.

Yes Johnny I wouldn't always have the exact score at hand, I do run with the book in my hand though, so access to it is easy enough, and when the game is tight I'll know if there is a point or two in it..

I think the media and others have made more of it, its unfortunate but no rules were broken and asking for a replay (which Kilkenny haven't) was never going to happen..

I'd been keen to hear a interview from a player or manager to see if that was their mindset (going for goals) when seeing the big screen had the wrong score up after the umpire waved a wide and didn't wave a flag..

When KK took its last point - with a few minutes left - the forward line were clearly upset the ball wasn't played into them.  According to the scoreboard it was a 4 point difference so taking the point made sense.  But the difference was really 3 points so taking the point was a wasted possession - which explains the forwards reaction to it.

I know that's just a single example, however I'm sure KK knew exactly how far behind they were at all times.  This controversy is just media hype.

EoinW

It's a dangerous game for Cork.  Playing a team you've badly routed the past 3 meetings does feel like "asking for trouble.  I think they would have been better off facing Kilkenny.

Tipp have the talent to upset but can they prevent a Cork goal blitz?  Cork are scary good when they are on form and the goals give them that momentum.

Psychologically it's Cork's advantage if they begin to steamroll Tipp, however it's Tipp's advantage if they can keep it tight and let the pressure build on Cork.  Allow those 20 year ghosts to be their 16th player.

Sorry if I'm not writing anything new.  I do expect Cork to find ten minutes at some point to deal a KO blow.  But it's interesting how vulnerable Cork can look when they hit periods where their wheels spin.  The Kilkenny teams from 2 decades ago didn't have that Achilles Heel. On form Cork are as frighteningly dominant as those KK teams were.

johnnycool

Even in the semifinal against the Dubs when they were winning well their defence was still leaking big opportunities which the Dubin forwards didn't make enough from.

Tipp will be better than that at both ends of the park.

Better enough remains to be seen, but keep in the battle for long enough that big Cork crowd could be groaning and sighing enough to send the jitters out to the team on the field.

What are the bookies looking like?

didlyi

The lead up to this match is sounding very similar to 2024 when Cork were being tipped to win resoundingly. Hmmm