Tyrone v Kerry Semifinal 2025

Started by Dire Ear, June 29, 2025, 08:01:34 PM

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DaleCooper


Hampsey could try the pro wrestling move of concealing a tiny razor in his gloves. Just a nick on the forehead and one of the gallant Kerry stars and off they go for a blood sub.

Rinse and repeat for 70 minutes at crucial points in the game.

It will probably require some sleek subterfuge from Tyrone with plausible deniability. Kerry know theyre fit for anything, what with the poisoned water bottles fiasco!

Truthsayer

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Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 30, 2025, 10:25:39 PM
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Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2025, 09:18:38 AMKerry will shit the togs at the site of the tyrone jerseys as usual

Kerry have won 4 of the last 5 Championship meetings between the sides, but don't let facts get in the way of anything.

I find, even as a Tyrone man, this narrative strange. Maybe it's that Kerry haven't won Sam after beating Tyrone (1986 aside?), whereas Tyrone have always beat Kerry along the way to winning Sam. Kerry have usually inflicted the bigger defeats, aside from 2003, Tyrone have always deserved the win, but it was never by much.

I do think it odd that Kerry have won so many medals, yet there's more than a few like Spillane that have never got over the pettiness, even after giving us a few good baitings and even now, him bringing up conspiracy theories again about 2021... While beating Kerry is always that bit nicer and losing is that bit worse, I can't remember any Tyrone pundits, fans etc. reacting similarly when we've been beat.
It drives Kerry crazy and Jack O'Connor said so in his book: Jack of all Trades.. "Losing to Tyrone is worse than losing to almost anyone else. Not that there's much history between us. That's the point. There's an arrogance to northern football which rubs Kerry people up the wrong way. They're flash and nouveau riche and full of it."
That 'puke football' rhetoric from Spillane and still going on bout 2021 Covid. Like get over it.
Paul Galvan cried after beating Tyrone in Trallee he was so hurt by losing to them. Is like one championship victory over them just does their heads in. Hopefully...

I agree on Spillane, he's always banging on with that shite but he's totally irrelevant in Kerry these days. Blame the Indo for giving him a platform. I never listen to him and neither do most people down here.

For most Kerry people the thing in the 2000s with Tyrone was annoying but honestly, doesn't grate massively as 2003 we were well beaten and it was actually no harm as it lead to a change of the guard. 2005 final was a good enough battle but the better team won. 2008 final would be an annoying one for us alright as I do think we had the tools to win that but the team selection and tactics were poor, gave away an awful goal and just didn't perform well enough on that day.

All that being said now, it's very satisfying to beat Tyrone but that's because they're a serious football county and the way things are going I can see them being a huge force in next few years.
Fair enough but not all the rhetoric quite as generous. When Kerry beat Tyrone two years ago, Tómas on RTÉ and Marc on GAAGO asked did Tyrone have Covid-19. It came across as so petty and begrudging of 2021. For the record Kerry aceeded to the request to put the game back in 2021, they didn't have to. But since try to tarnish that All Ireland...
If you knew how much Tyrone people worshipped the Kerry team of that era '75 to '86 and them patting us on the head! Changed times...

ONeill

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 30, 2025, 10:27:47 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2025, 10:09:52 PMPaidi Clifford needs clipped. Maybe a clumsy tackle by Teague.

Work away, Paudie is well able for the hard stuff. David too.

History shows he isn't, especially against Stewartstown men. I'd worry about Kerry indiscipline.
I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

Captain Scarlet

I said it on the other thread but surely Darragh Canavan and McCurry will be better the next day too.
Canavan especially looked like he was off balance ALL the time.

If they can get the spread of scorers going...then who knows.
them mysterons are always killing me but im grand after a few days.sickenin aul dose all the same.

tbrick18

Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 01, 2025, 12:02:26 AMI said it on the other thread but surely Darragh Canavan and McCurry will be better the next day too.
Canavan especially looked like he was off balance ALL the time.

If they can get the spread of scorers going...then who knows.

McCurry is hot and cold at the best of times, probably passed his best. Generally reliable from frees if you take last weekends game out of it. Canavan has skill to burn, but I think he's too small against these bigger well condition teams. When you say he looked off balance, to me he was just getting out-muscled. He's still relatively young so time on his side to bulk up. McElhone to me is the most dangerous option - fast and direct. Was the liveliest forward on the field when he came on against Dublin. I see the temptation in holding him as an impact sub, but its a tough call that.
The problem Tyrone will have is that they don't have those big physical forwards, like Clifford, who can win their own ball, take men on and score off both feet. Matty Donnelly is probably the closest they have to that type of player, but he won't get 6/7 points a game. Not many teams do have that player to be fair, but Kerry have a huge advantage in terms of forwards available to them compared to Tyrone.
The way to limit them, will be to stop the supply - so once again kickouts will be key and possession in the middle 8 area vital. Tyrone have big men in the middle but given how Kerry performed against the Armagh kickouts and Morgan's dip in form, I'd say they will struggle.

Aaron Boone

It'd be a bonus if Cathal McShane could be parachuted in. The forward line have missed his physical presence. 

nrico2006

Quote from: tbrick18 on July 01, 2025, 09:45:04 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 01, 2025, 12:02:26 AMI said it on the other thread but surely Darragh Canavan and McCurry will be better the next day too.
Canavan especially looked like he was off balance ALL the time.

If they can get the spread of scorers going...then who knows.

McCurry is hot and cold at the best of times, probably passed his best. Generally reliable from frees if you take last weekends game out of it. Canavan has skill to burn, but I think he's too small against these bigger well condition teams. When you say he looked off balance, to me he was just getting out-muscled. He's still relatively young so time on his side to bulk up. McElhone to me is the most dangerous option - fast and direct. Was the liveliest forward on the field when he came on against Dublin. I see the temptation in holding him as an impact sub, but its a tough call that.
The problem Tyrone will have is that they don't have those big physical forwards, like Clifford, who can win their own ball, take men on and score off both feet. Matty Donnelly is probably the closest they have to that type of player, but he won't get 6/7 points a game. Not many teams do have that player to be fair, but Kerry have a huge advantage in terms of forwards available to them compared to Tyrone.
The way to limit them, will be to stop the supply - so once again kickouts will be key and possession in the middle 8 area vital. Tyrone have big men in the middle but given how Kerry performed against the Armagh kickouts and Morgan's dip in form, I'd say they will struggle.

If anything, I feel like McCurry has been more consistent than he used to be in his earlier days. Don't think he's past his best either.
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tyrone08

Quote from: nrico2006 on July 01, 2025, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 01, 2025, 09:45:04 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 01, 2025, 12:02:26 AMI said it on the other thread but surely Darragh Canavan and McCurry will be better the next day too.
Canavan especially looked like he was off balance ALL the time.

If they can get the spread of scorers going...then who knows.

McCurry is hot and cold at the best of times, probably passed his best. Generally reliable from frees if you take last weekends game out of it. Canavan has skill to burn, but I think he's too small against these bigger well condition teams. When you say he looked off balance, to me he was just getting out-muscled. He's still relatively young so time on his side to bulk up. McElhone to me is the most dangerous option - fast and direct. Was the liveliest forward on the field when he came on against Dublin. I see the temptation in holding him as an impact sub, but its a tough call that.
The problem Tyrone will have is that they don't have those big physical forwards, like Clifford, who can win their own ball, take men on and score off both feet. Matty Donnelly is probably the closest they have to that type of player, but he won't get 6/7 points a game. Not many teams do have that player to be fair, but Kerry have a huge advantage in terms of forwards available to them compared to Tyrone.
The way to limit them, will be to stop the supply - so once again kickouts will be key and possession in the middle 8 area vital. Tyrone have big men in the middle but given how Kerry performed against the Armagh kickouts and Morgan's dip in form, I'd say they will struggle.

If anything, I feel like McCurry has been more consistent than he used to be in his earlier days. Don't think he's past his best either.

I would agree. He has been very reliable all year, if it wasnt for him we would have been hammered by Armagh. One poor game all year doesnt mean you are blowing hot and cold.

HokeyPokey

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Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 30, 2025, 10:25:39 PM
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Quote from: blanketattack on June 30, 2025, 12:27:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2025, 09:18:38 AMKerry will shit the togs at the site of the tyrone jerseys as usual

Kerry have won 4 of the last 5 Championship meetings between the sides, but don't let facts get in the way of anything.

I find, even as a Tyrone man, this narrative strange. Maybe it's that Kerry haven't won Sam after beating Tyrone (1986 aside?), whereas Tyrone have always beat Kerry along the way to winning Sam. Kerry have usually inflicted the bigger defeats, aside from 2003, Tyrone have always deserved the win, but it was never by much.

I do think it odd that Kerry have won so many medals, yet there's more than a few like Spillane that have never got over the pettiness, even after giving us a few good baitings and even now, him bringing up conspiracy theories again about 2021... While beating Kerry is always that bit nicer and losing is that bit worse, I can't remember any Tyrone pundits, fans etc. reacting similarly when we've been beat.
It drives Kerry crazy and Jack O'Connor said so in his book: Jack of all Trades.. "Losing to Tyrone is worse than losing to almost anyone else. Not that there's much history between us. That's the point. There's an arrogance to northern football which rubs Kerry people up the wrong way. They're flash and nouveau riche and full of it."
That 'puke football' rhetoric from Spillane and still going on bout 2021 Covid. Like get over it.
Paul Galvan cried after beating Tyrone in Trallee he was so hurt by losing to them. Is like one championship victory over them just does their heads in. Hopefully...

I agree on Spillane, he's always banging on with that shite but he's totally irrelevant in Kerry these days. Blame the Indo for giving him a platform. I never listen to him and neither do most people down here.

For most Kerry people the thing in the 2000s with Tyrone was annoying but honestly, doesn't grate massively as 2003 we were well beaten and it was actually no harm as it lead to a change of the guard. 2005 final was a good enough battle but the better team won. 2008 final would be an annoying one for us alright as I do think we had the tools to win that but the team selection and tactics were poor, gave away an awful goal and just didn't perform well enough on that day.

All that being said now, it's very satisfying to beat Tyrone but that's because they're a serious football county and the way things are going I can see them being a huge force in next few years.
Fair enough but not all the rhetoric quite as generous. When Kerry beat Tyrone two years ago, Tómas on RTÉ and Marc on GAAGO asked did Tyrone have Covid-19. It came across as so petty and begrudging of 2021. For the record Kerry aceeded to the request to put the game back in 2021, they didn't have to. But since try to tarnish that All Ireland...
If you knew how much Tyrone people worshipped the Kerry team of that era '75 to '86 and them patting us on the head! Changed times...

I think Spillane in the 1980s made a joke that maybe Tyrone should send their women to Kerry to distract them to stand a chance of beating them.

There's a whole litany of incidents, but the main Kerry gripe seems to be that Tyrone absolutely dominated in 2003 and didn't lie down, or let Kerry restore the natural order in the rest of the 00s. The gripe with 2021 is crazy as it's well established the impact Covid had on Tyrone (one player losing several stone, most of squad unable to train and plenty of very honest interviews from the camp), as if this was an advantage. Kerry could have taken the walkover, but they apparently needed the practice for the final, but Tyrone weren't supposed to win.

Tyrone have relished beating Kerry and maybe fancied their chances going into some games, but I can't remember anything like the pettiness that comes out of Kerry when we get beat by them (which again is more often than not, and worse beatings than we give them).

Look-Up!

Kerry have always been sore. When they win it's shake hands like men and leave what happened on the field on the field. But when they lose they'll fairly cry foul.

No mention of the knee drop on Burns's head that he had to go off for. Replays wouldn't show it for some reason. Certainly done them no harm on the Armagh kickouts.

Armagh18

Quote from: Look-Up! on July 01, 2025, 12:44:06 PMKerry have always been sore. When they win it's shake hands like men and leave what happened on the field on the field. But when they lose they'll fairly cry foul.

No mention of the knee drop on Burns's head that he had to go off for. Replays wouldn't show it for some reason. Certainly done them no harm on the Armagh kickouts.
Didn't see that in real time and haven't seen a replay, thought he had hit his head off the ground to be honest.

Was McCambridge taken out of it off the ball early in the first half? He was down for a bit and got up and was complaining to the umpires.

DaleCooper

Quote from: Look-Up! on July 01, 2025, 12:44:06 PMKerry have always been sore. When they win it's shake hands like men and leave what happened on the field on the field. But when they lose they'll fairly cry foul.

No mention of the knee drop on Burns's head that he had to go off for. Replays wouldn't show it for some reason. Certainly done them no harm on the Armagh kickouts.

Burns was a huge loss, had a great season. Any footage exist of this?

Kerry are indeed holier than thou.

Look-Up!

I thought it looked like a knee drop in real time. Was expecting a replay to see what really happened but they didn't do one and it didn't show the incident on the Sunday game. If it was a head clash to the ground fair enough but it was certainly a very nasty one either way.

Aaron Boone

Quote from: Look-Up! on July 01, 2025, 01:28:53 PMI thought it looked like a knee drop in real time. Was expecting a replay to see what really happened but they didn't do one and it didn't show the incident on the Sunday game. If it was a head clash to the ground fair enough but it was certainly a very nasty one either way.

3 Kerry men around Burns then, but don't think they were trying to injure him. Was surprised when saw the blood.
That incident did coincide with the start of Kerry's dominance though. Was it Crealey missed a handy one around same time to go 6 up and the game changed utterly then.

tonto1888

Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 01, 2025, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on July 01, 2025, 01:28:53 PMI thought it looked like a knee drop in real time. Was expecting a replay to see what really happened but they didn't do one and it didn't show the incident on the Sunday game. If it was a head clash to the ground fair enough but it was certainly a very nasty one either way.

3 Kerry men around Burns then, but don't think they were trying to injure him. Was surprised when saw the blood.
That incident did coincide with the start of Kerry's dominance though. Was it Crealey missed a handy one around same time to go 6 up and the game changed utterly then.

same here. Think them not showing it again on the big screen may have been because of the blood?