Armagh v Derry. Group 4

[lurganblue]

I'd find it hard to call bullshit on it considering what I heard from multiple Donegal supporters on the day. But I'd be willing to give the lad the benefit of the doubt in terms of what exact words he used.

I'm very surprised that action hasnt been taken.  I can only conclude that they dont have decent footage and officials didnt see it... which again, is astonishing.

I can understand him getting a box, but there still should be consequences for that action.

[tonto1888]

Wouldn't think it, he's too busy running after RG. On a serious note, we can run onto the field and bury a man and nothing is done about it. Sure it straight in front of the lineman.I remember a underage game I played in many years ago where players were struck in a row during the game. Anyway it ended up with the county board requesting the name of the offenders. We didn't give it and were throw out. So am suprised the GAA does not ask Armagh to name the offenders.

In all seriousness good luck to the gaa trying to enforce retrospective action again in future when they clearly turned a blind eye to what can only be described as assault to a donegal player.

Cry me a river.

Immature reponse. I personally dont believe any action would make any difference to Armagh's season but I think it is ridiculous that nothing is being done here. It was assault in broad daylight. I dont believe its a conspiracy that Burns isnt looking into it just because its Armagh. But it does make you wonder where his priorities lie

maybe he is looking into the comments by said Donegal player?

I've seen this narrative gathering legs and I'm calling bullshit on it. I know 2 Derry men v close to the player, both army men based in Finner. OMF is surrounded daily by men from Derry and Tyrone and has served overseas with these men.
He goaded the Armagh bench, much like Armagh men had during the game on several occasions. Did the Donegal men assault these Armagh players, no, they behaved like adults.
The defending of this thuggery has to stop, it's an absolute blight on the game

this sound very much like the "I have black friends" argument

FWIW, I have no idea what was actually said and I was being tongue in cheek with my comment in response to the previous posters about Burns priorities

[JoG2]

Wouldn't think it, he's too busy running after RG. On a serious note, we can run onto the field and bury a man and nothing is done about it. Sure it straight in front of the lineman.I remember a underage game I played in many years ago where players were struck in a row during the game. Anyway it ended up with the county board requesting the name of the offenders. We didn't give it and were throw out. So am suprised the GAA does not ask Armagh to name the offenders.

In all seriousness good luck to the gaa trying to enforce retrospective action again in future when they clearly turned a blind eye to what can only be described as assault to a donegal player.

Cry me a river.

Immature reponse. I personally dont believe any action would make any difference to Armagh's season but I think it is ridiculous that nothing is being done here. It was assault in broad daylight. I dont believe its a conspiracy that Burns isnt looking into it just because its Armagh. But it does make you wonder where his priorities lie

maybe he is looking into the comments by said Donegal player?

I've seen this narrative gathering legs and I'm calling bullshit on it. I know 2 Derry men v close to the player, both army men based in Finner. OMF is surrounded daily by men from Derry and Tyrone and has served overseas with these men.
He goaded the Armagh bench, much like Armagh men had during the game on several occasions. Did the Donegal men assault these Armagh players, no, they behaved like adults.
The defending of this thuggery has to stop, it's an absolute blight on the game

this sound very much like the "I have black friends" argument

FWIW, I have no idea what was actually said and I was being tongue in cheek with my comment in response to the previous posters about Burns priorities

I'll take your argument and raise it with Armagh players' 'convenient' argument

[David McKeown]

Wouldn't think it, he's too busy running after RG. On a serious note, we can run onto the field and bury a man and nothing is done about it. Sure it straight in front of the lineman.I remember a underage game I played in many years ago where players were struck in a row during the game. Anyway it ended up with the county board requesting the name of the offenders. We didn't give it and were throw out. So am suprised the GAA does not ask Armagh to name the offenders.

In all seriousness good luck to the gaa trying to enforce retrospective action again in future when they clearly turned a blind eye to what can only be described as assault to a donegal player.

Cry me a river.

Immature reponse. I personally dont believe any action would make any difference to Armagh's season but I think it is ridiculous that nothing is being done here. It was assault in broad daylight. I dont believe its a conspiracy that Burns isnt looking into it just because its Armagh. But it does make you wonder where his priorities lie

Is Burns expected to personally over see all cases of rows at games?

Possibly not - but he did take it on himself previously to get involved in a case of alleged wrongdoing, whereas in this case there was obvious televised assault which you could argue tarnishes the reputation of the organisation. Why should he not get involved this time to call out how unacceptable this is?

It's absolutely ridiculous that nothing has been done about this. As someone else said, if it's not clear how the players were the counties should be asked for their names, and should be kicked out if they refuse to comply. As it is now, its ok for subs to run on and deck someone if they don't like what they're doing on the pitch.

As I understand it's a fine only for Armagh. No idea about Donegal.

That said surely the obvious answer to your first point is he shouldn't have gotten involved in RG and to get involved here would be to undermine a quasi independent body within the association.

On the second point there are admittedly very restrictive procedures in place to deal with these. Following those procedures the appropriate body made a ruling. If that determination is unpopular then the appropriate response is to petition club reps to change those procedures in the correct manner. It's not for the President to get involved on an ad hoc basis.

[Ethan Tremblay]

Back to the football sure. 

I reckon this is a tough game for Armagh to begin with.  Pressure is on them to secure a result, as on paper, this is probably the only one were they would be out and out favorites. 

Having beat Derry convincingly twice in the past 12 months, Derry in theory should be chomping at the bit to get at Armagh and try and restore some pride. 

Realistically, it may be the only game where they could secure a result also.  Although its the first of three games, its probably the most important for both.   

 

[tonto1888]

Wouldn't think it, he's too busy running after RG. On a serious note, we can run onto the field and bury a man and nothing is done about it. Sure it straight in front of the lineman.I remember a underage game I played in many years ago where players were struck in a row during the game. Anyway it ended up with the county board requesting the name of the offenders. We didn't give it and were throw out. So am suprised the GAA does not ask Armagh to name the offenders.

In all seriousness good luck to the gaa trying to enforce retrospective action again in future when they clearly turned a blind eye to what can only be described as assault to a donegal player.

Cry me a river.

Immature reponse. I personally dont believe any action would make any difference to Armagh's season but I think it is ridiculous that nothing is being done here. It was assault in broad daylight. I dont believe its a conspiracy that Burns isnt looking into it just because its Armagh. But it does make you wonder where his priorities lie

maybe he is looking into the comments by said Donegal player?

I've seen this narrative gathering legs and I'm calling bullshit on it. I know 2 Derry men v close to the player, both army men based in Finner. OMF is surrounded daily by men from Derry and Tyrone and has served overseas with these men.
He goaded the Armagh bench, much like Armagh men had during the game on several occasions. Did the Donegal men assault these Armagh players, no, they behaved like adults.
The defending of this thuggery has to stop, it's an absolute blight on the game

this sound very much like the "I have black friends" argument

FWIW, I have no idea what was actually said and I was being tongue in cheek with my comment in response to the previous posters about Burns priorities

I'll take your argument and raise it with Armagh players' 'convenient' argument

you are still using the "I cant be racist, I have black friends argument." Deflect all you want.

Armagh players should have ignored the ejit IMO but they didnt and will have to deal with the consequences.

[tyrone08]

The whole thing is very strange. The red card given to the Cork player in the extra time game against Kerry has been upheld. FFS it was at most a yellow however CCCC has upheld it and the player now misses a game.

Make it up as you go along.

[tbrick18]

Wouldn't think it, he's too busy running after RG. On a serious note, we can run onto the field and bury a man and nothing is done about it. Sure it straight in front of the lineman.I remember a underage game I played in many years ago where players were struck in a row during the game. Anyway it ended up with the county board requesting the name of the offenders. We didn't give it and were throw out. So am suprised the GAA does not ask Armagh to name the offenders.

In all seriousness good luck to the gaa trying to enforce retrospective action again in future when they clearly turned a blind eye to what can only be described as assault to a donegal player.

Cry me a river.

Immature reponse. I personally dont believe any action would make any difference to Armagh's season but I think it is ridiculous that nothing is being done here. It was assault in broad daylight. I dont believe its a conspiracy that Burns isnt looking into it just because its Armagh. But it does make you wonder where his priorities lie

Is Burns expected to personally over see all cases of rows at games?

Possibly not - but he did take it on himself previously to get involved in a case of alleged wrongdoing, whereas in this case there was obvious televised assault which you could argue tarnishes the reputation of the organisation. Why should he not get involved this time to call out how unacceptable this is?

It's absolutely ridiculous that nothing has been done about this. As someone else said, if it's not clear how the players were the counties should be asked for their names, and should be kicked out if they refuse to comply. As it is now, its ok for subs to run on and deck someone if they don't like what they're doing on the pitch.

As I understand it's a fine only for Armagh. No idea about Donegal.

That said surely the obvious answer to your first point is he shouldn't have gotten involved in RG and to get involved here would be to undermine a quasi independent body within the association.

On the second point there are admittedly very restrictive procedures in place to deal with these. Following those procedures the appropriate body made a ruling. If that determination is unpopular then the appropriate response is to petition club reps to change those procedures in the correct manner. It's not for the President to get involved on an ad hoc basis.

I hadn't actually realised there had been a fine issued - at least that's something.
Fully agree with you on what you said here though. He shouldn't have go involved in the first instance, but once he did he set himself up for scrutiny for his response on issues around assault, breaking the law or even allegations.

So you're right, JB shouldn't get involved in an adhoc basis, but that is what he's done previously. Now when he doesnt get involved I think its fair to ask the question as to why....and in this case the obvious question is around his allegiances to his home county. It taints him with nepotism that he hasn't condemned the actions which break the rules. He can do that without getting involved in the process directly and that would have been more in line with the standard he has set himself.

For what its worth, if the Donegal player said the things he's supposed to have said then it's disgusting. But that too should be handled through the appropriate process and condemned.

There's no place for, reason for, or excuse for any player running onto a pitch to attack another player and manys a player has had very long bans for doing likewise.

[general_lee]

Wouldn't think it, he's too busy running after RG. On a serious note, we can run onto the field and bury a man and nothing is done about it. Sure it straight in front of the lineman.I remember a underage game I played in many years ago where players were struck in a row during the game. Anyway it ended up with the county board requesting the name of the offenders. We didn't give it and were throw out. So am suprised the GAA does not ask Armagh to name the offenders.

In all seriousness good luck to the gaa trying to enforce retrospective action again in future when they clearly turned a blind eye to what can only be described as assault to a donegal player.

Cry me a river.

Immature reponse. I personally dont believe any action would make any difference to Armagh's season but I think it is ridiculous that nothing is being done here. It was assault in broad daylight. I dont believe its a conspiracy that Burns isnt looking into it just because its Armagh. But it does make you wonder where his priorities lie

maybe he is looking into the comments by said Donegal player?

I've seen this narrative gathering legs and I'm calling bullshit on it. I know 2 Derry men v close to the player, both army men based in Finner. OMF is surrounded daily by men from Derry and Tyrone and has served overseas with these men.
He goaded the Armagh bench, much like Armagh men had during the game on several occasions. Did the Donegal men assault these Armagh players, no, they behaved like adults.
The defending of this thuggery has to stop, it's an absolute blight on the game

Call bullshit all you want:
- He has previous with Armagh, he started the row in LK in league match couple years back.
- Some of the biggest west Brits going are army men.
- I doubt any footballer would react to goading when the game is still on-going (I love how Mcquillan being caught once on camera all of a sudden is Armagh players plural)
- No one is defending "thuggery" but if players from the 26 counties want to engage in sectarian trash talk they should be properly sanctioned. A box to the face should be the least of their worries.

[tbrick18]

Back to the football sure. 

I reckon this is a tough game for Armagh to begin with.  Pressure is on them to secure a result, as on paper, this is probably the only one were they would be out and out favorites. 

Having beat Derry convincingly twice in the past 12 months, Derry in theory should be chomping at the bit to get at Armagh and try and restore some pride. 

Realistically, it may be the only game where they could secure a result also.  Although its the first of three games, its probably the most important for both.   

 

Based on form, this can only be an Armagh win and an easy one at that.
It seems there are concerns because Derry 2 years and 2 managers ago deservedly beat Armagh.
If the current AI champions don't have confidence in themselves to win this game, especially given the much touted strength of their bench and the return of Rian O'Neill then there's something wrong.

[Wildweasel74]

Nobody can't really say what ferry said outside of him and the Armagh players. Funny we can pick him out  but not the Armagh subs. Bit like ole Gerry in court there, somebody saying stuff about him but the bbc can't proof it. What can be proofed is somebody been physical assaulted. That phone evidence be enough to get u in court, but not enough for the GAA to find the players responsible.

[Gazboy]

If you look at what happened after Ulster final the first thing thing you would say,there will be a few suspended out of this,then upto now not mentioned since,a bit biased I would say by Mr Burns.

[Truthsayer]

If you look at what happened after Ulster final the first thing thing you would say,there will be a few suspended out of this,then upto now not mentioned since,a bit biased I would say by Mr Burns.

Why would Mr Burns mention it? Derry getting desperate calling for suspension of Armagh players... or you miss Rory? 😭

[David McKeown]

The whole thing is very strange. The red card given to the Cork player in the extra time game against Kerry has been upheld. FFS it was at most a yellow however CCCC has upheld it and the player now misses a game.

Make it up as you go along.

I think that actually demonstrates consistency and adherence to precedence. I've been involved in these hearings where the relevant committee has concluded that whilst they didn't support the red card it was within the discretion of the referee. The question in effect being could the referee have awarded a red not should the referee have awarded one. Such an approach upholds the integrity of the referees decision and prevents re refereeing of matches.

[David McKeown]

Wouldn't think it, he's too busy running after RG. On a serious note, we can run onto the field and bury a man and nothing is done about it. Sure it straight in front of the lineman.I remember a underage game I played in many years ago where players were struck in a row during the game. Anyway it ended up with the county board requesting the name of the offenders. We didn't give it and were throw out. So am suprised the GAA does not ask Armagh to name the offenders.

In all seriousness good luck to the gaa trying to enforce retrospective action again in future when they clearly turned a blind eye to what can only be described as assault to a donegal player.

Cry me a river.

Immature reponse. I personally dont believe any action would make any difference to Armagh's season but I think it is ridiculous that nothing is being done here. It was assault in broad daylight. I dont believe its a conspiracy that Burns isnt looking into it just because its Armagh. But it does make you wonder where his priorities lie

Is Burns expected to personally over see all cases of rows at games?

Possibly not - but he did take it on himself previously to get involved in a case of alleged wrongdoing, whereas in this case there was obvious televised assault which you could argue tarnishes the reputation of the organisation. Why should he not get involved this time to call out how unacceptable this is?

It's absolutely ridiculous that nothing has been done about this. As someone else said, if it's not clear how the players were the counties should be asked for their names, and should be kicked out if they refuse to comply. As it is now, its ok for subs to run on and deck someone if they don't like what they're doing on the pitch.

As I understand it's a fine only for Armagh. No idea about Donegal.

That said surely the obvious answer to your first point is he shouldn't have gotten involved in RG and to get involved here would be to undermine a quasi independent body within the association.

On the second point there are admittedly very restrictive procedures in place to deal with these. Following those procedures the appropriate body made a ruling. If that determination is unpopular then the appropriate response is to petition club reps to change those procedures in the correct manner. It's not for the President to get involved on an ad hoc basis.

I hadn't actually realised there had been a fine issued - at least that's something.
Fully agree with you on what you said here though. He shouldn't have go involved in the first instance, but once he did he set himself up for scrutiny for his response on issues around assault, breaking the law or even allegations.

So you're right, JB shouldn't get involved in an adhoc basis, but that is what he's done previously. Now when he doesnt get involved I think its fair to ask the question as to why....and in this case the obvious question is around his allegiances to his home county. It taints him with nepotism that he hasn't condemned the actions which break the rules. He can do that without getting involved in the process directly and that would have been more in line with the standard he has set himself.

For what its worth, if the Donegal player said the things he's supposed to have said then it's disgusting. But that too should be handled through the appropriate process and condemned.

There's no place for, reason for, or excuse for any player running onto a pitch to attack another player and manys a player has had very long bans for doing likewise.

Obviously I'm not privy to the presidents thoughts but I do think though we have to consider a number of factors which may relevant to his non engagement on this.

Firstly this was until this morning (and possibly may still be an active disciplinary matter. He may not wish to be drawn in to comment until it's resolved.

Secondly RG was a safeguarding issue which is different from that.

Finally he may be once bitten twice shy about being publicly vocal again. Particularly given the ongoing legal action.

All that said. If he were to comment on future matters serious questions would have to be asked.