All Ireland Championship 2025.

[armaghniac]

I've looked at the groups a dozen times since yesterday and for the life of me I can't work out why G4 is being labelled a "group of death", but not G1.

Have people not been paying attention to the recent decline of Dublin and Derry?

These teams might manage a revival for a game or two and while Tyrone are likely to beat either of these, Cavan is not.

[flowerpot]

Also Dublin in Croke Park would be a different animal.

[Captain Obvious]

We had that and weren't happy. One reason was Dublin and Kerry in effect getting automatic entry to last 8.
 
51% voted for a "flawed concept"
Large cohort of the 49% said they wanted change but not that change.
Then the present system was voted in by over 90%.

Jeopardy Jarlath came along and said that had to go.
The new "sigerson" system for 2026 was voted in by over 90%.

Maybe like the hurley crowd we might one day hit on an excellent system by accident.

In other words those in charge are throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks. 

[Armaghtothebone]

We had that and weren't happy. One reason was Dublin and Kerry in effect getting automatic entry to last 8.
 
51% voted for a "flawed concept"
Large cohort of the 49% said they wanted change but not that change.
Then the present system was voted in by over 90%.

Jeopardy Jarlath came along and said that had to go.
The new "sigerson" system for 2026 was voted in by over 90%.

Maybe like the hurley crowd we might one day hit on an excellent system by accident.

In other words those in charge are throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks. 

No. Those in charge won't address the elephant in the room.
The provincial championships need to go.
Or if they don't go they need to have no bearing on the All-Ireland.
Top 16 teams from Division 1 and 2 in All-Ireland.

[Captain Obvious]

We had that and weren't happy. One reason was Dublin and Kerry in effect getting automatic entry to last 8.
 
51% voted for a "flawed concept"
Large cohort of the 49% said they wanted change but not that change.
Then the present system was voted in by over 90%.

Jeopardy Jarlath came along and said that had to go.
The new "sigerson" system for 2026 was voted in by over 90%.

Maybe like the hurley crowd we might one day hit on an excellent system by accident.

In other words those in charge are throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks. 

No. Those in charge won't address the elephant in the room.
The provincial championships need to go.
Or if they don't go they need to have no bearing on the All-Ireland.
Top 16 teams from Division 1 and 2 in All-Ireland.

No bearing on the All-Ireland championship makes them pre-season competitions and will be no mad rush for Ulster final tickets then with some calling for that final to be played in Croke Park. Leinster final sure to be a great occasion with Dublin out.

[lurganblue]

We had that and weren't happy. One reason was Dublin and Kerry in effect getting automatic entry to last 8.
 
51% voted for a "flawed concept"
Large cohort of the 49% said they wanted change but not that change.
Then the present system was voted in by over 90%.

Jeopardy Jarlath came along and said that had to go.
The new "sigerson" system for 2026 was voted in by over 90%.

Maybe like the hurley crowd we might one day hit on an excellent system by accident.

In other words those in charge are throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks. 

No. Those in charge won't address the elephant in the room.
The provincial championships need to go.
Or if they don't go they need to have no bearing on the All-Ireland.
Top 16 teams from Division 1 and 2 in All-Ireland.

Totally agree

[Tyrone Dreamer]

If you could get a competitive Leinster again then all the more reason to keep the provincials.

But the current season does not work. If keeping the provincials and playing them post league they have to have more importance. Personally liked the system around covid time when provincial winners went straight to quarter finals. Runners up joined teams from division 1/2 in 2 rounds of back door games to make the quarter finals.

That would increase the value of the provincials and the leagues. Currently every competition is being devalued with a drawn out load of meaningless games.

[lenny]

If you could get a competitive Leinster again then all the more reason to keep the provincials.

But the current season does not work. If keeping the provincials and playing them post league they have to have more importance. Personally liked the system around covid time when provincial winners went straight to quarter finals. Runners up joined teams from division 1/2 in 2 rounds of back door games to make the quarter finals.

That would increase the value of the provincials and the leagues. Currently every competition is being devalued with a drawn out load of meaningless games.

What about playing the provincials through the league. First round played after 3 rounds of the league. Semifinals after round 5, something like that. No need for league finals, just have all provincial finals the weekend after the league ends, 2 saturday and 2 sunday. Then 2 week break before all ireland groups.

[Rossfan]

It's worth examining anyway.
Giving too much perks to Provincial winners is only subsidising Kerry

[Armagh18]

Hopefully Cork can take some inspiration from Meath beating Dublin and their own performance against Kerry and get the finger out. It probably wouldnt take a huge pile given the talent in the county to get them to that level.

As long as Leinster continues on it's trajectory we'd have 4 competitive provinces.

[larryin89]

Hopefully Cork can take some inspiration from Meath beating Dublin and their own performance against Kerry and get the finger out. It probably wouldnt take a huge pile given the talent in the county to get them to that level.

As long as Leinster continues on it's trajectory we'd have 4 competitive provinces.

Connacht is relatively competitive down the years albeit Galway going for 4iar but it's pretty pointless with the structure the way it is , Shur there's no advantage in fact this draw has proved it's actually a disadvantage to win Connacht. Forget provincial, forget the league too imo , play one competition within the season , two groups of eight seeded draw and top two play in semi final . All other formats are flawed and lopsided , could you even play a home and away fixture in such a scenario or would that be too many games .

[Main Street]

Group 3, the group of life, is where all 4 teams have honest hopes of advancement,
even to top the group.

Louth/Meath v Monaghan
Clare (probably) v Down

Monaghan v Clare
Down V Louth/Meath

neutral venue
Down v Monaghan
Clare v Louth/Meath
 

[imtommygunn]

That's an interesting one. Clare not as strong as they were but you wonder would Down be better than them. It'd not look good for Laverty if Down finished bottom but is a possibility. On the flip side maybe they could beat Monaghan and Clare - pretty open that one.

[SouthOfThe Bann]

I've looked at the groups a dozen times since yesterday and for the life of me I can't work out why G4 is being labelled a "group of death", but not G1.

Have people not been paying attention to the recent decline of Dublin and Derry?

These teams might manage a revival for a game or two and while Tyrone are likely to beat either of these, Cavan is not.

Have you not seen Mayo's form.

I actually think if Mayo win Connacht; there would be a real danger of them finishing bottom of that group 4.

Them winning Connacht is not that far fetched either as they've always one big performance in them.

Its a no brainer that group 4 is the tougher.

[Cunny Funt]

I've looked at the groups a dozen times since yesterday and for the life of me I can't work out why G4 is being labelled a "group of death", but not G1.

Have people not been paying attention to the recent decline of Dublin and Derry?

These teams might manage a revival for a game or two and while Tyrone are likely to beat either of these, Cavan is not.

Have you not seen Mayo's form.

I actually think if Mayo win Connacht; there would be a real danger of them finishing bottom of that group 4.

Them winning Connacht is not that far fetched either as they've always one big performance in them.

Its a no brainer that group 4 is the tougher.

If Mayo are good enough to beat a strong All Ireland contender in Galway they should certainly be good enough to beat a fading force in Dublin in Castlebar and out of sorts Derry.    In Summary,  Group 4 going in Connacht winners Mayo can top it.  Group 1 off the back of losing to Galway a real danger of finishing 3rd in the group and then a tricky away knock out tie.