Leinster Senior Football Championship 2025

[Capt Pat]

As of this evening Sam Mulroys wikipedia page gives him a height of 10 ft 6 inches (3.2 metres).

He is also listed as having the nickname of Meat Beater.

[imtommygunn]

Could the Meath keeper have done a bit better for two of those goals?

[trileacman]

Could the Meath keeper have done a bit better for two of those goals?

I don't think so. The 2nd was drilled low along the ground, yes it was close to him but he made the best of it that he could. Lennons was a top corner classic.

So many "great saves" in GAA are drilled straight at keepers about 2-3 foot off the ground. They're relatively straightforward saves that look better than they are.

[Armagh18]

Clear penalty. What planet is Dessie Dolan on?

Yeah, two hands push on the chest and he's says that there was little contact, despite the replays

Very harsh I thought.

[Armagh18]

Delighted for Louth.

[David McKeown]

Well done Louth!

Can we stop talking about getting rid of Provincials now?

Look at what this means to Louth..don't take this chance of silverware away!

The problem with the provincials isn't what they mean to those involved it's the disproportionate impact they have on the All Ireland. With the greatest amount of respect to Clare and Meath they aren't in the top 8 in the country and therefore don't deserve to be seeded second. For me they should be a standalone competition between the league and the all Ireland. Or the calendar should be reshuffled.

You have far easier routes for some counties to Sam than for others. It's inherently unfair.

They would never mean as much without the link to the all Ireland.

The seeding doesn't mean much in the current format anyway. Every team still has to get through the round Robin. (And 1st and 2nd seed are likely getting through these anyway)

They do mean a lot though.  First of all they allow teams in the All Ireland ahead of potentially better teams, then they skew the groups which provides easier routes for some counties.  That's the issue I have with the link between the provincials and the All Ireland.  Happy enough if you seeded the provincial champions and left the other 12 spots open draw I think that would go along way.

Kerry and Louth will likely make it to the knock out stages without playing a division 1 team.  Armagh will have played 5 if they make it that far 

Armagh have Derry relegated to Div 2 for next year are they really much different to having Monaghan or Roscommon in your group who are promoted to Div 1 for 2026?  As you said Meath aren't a top 8 team yet they earned a 2nd seed by taking out Dublin.  Taking that into account the Dubs shouldn't bring the same fear they once did for Armagh either.

The difference is Derry are the worst team in their group, Monaghan and Roscommon are in the top 2 of their groups.  So yes the groups are highly unbalanced because of the provincial championships

That's the luck of the draw and things balance themselves out with three teams in each group progressing to the knock out stages and if you happen to be in a weaker group you are more likely to face elimination in the 12 round tie.

On what basis is that accurate. Kerry and one of Clare, Louth, Monaghan and down will be in the last 8?  Yet Armagh could end up meeting Tyrone and Dublin could meet Mayo in the last 12.

The groups matter and the imbalance in them is for me a farce. It's not luck of the draw. It's a badly weighted system.

That all said it's always been a badly weighted system and the concept of the sport is badly weighted to begin with.

[Gael85]

Could the Meath keeper have done a bit better for two of those goals?

Definitely on the Ryan Burns goal. Goalkeepers nowadays are picked on their kicking ability than shot stopping.

[rodney trotter]

Clear penalty. What planet is Dessie Dolan on?

Yeah, two hands push on the chest and he's says that there was little contact, despite the replays

Very harsh I thought.

Clear penalty. What planet is Dessie Dolan on?

Yeah, two hands push on the chest and he's says that there was little contact, despite the replays

Very harsh I thought.

What was harsh about it? A clear penalty.

[Cunny Funt]

Was nothing harsh about the penalty.  The goal Meath got should have been a free to Louth for a similar foul when turned over but Ger and Dessie didn't pick up on that either.

[Captain Obvious]

Well done Louth!

Can we stop talking about getting rid of Provincials now?

Look at what this means to Louth..don't take this chance of silverware away!

The problem with the provincials isn't what they mean to those involved it's the disproportionate impact they have on the All Ireland. With the greatest amount of respect to Clare and Meath they aren't in the top 8 in the country and therefore don't deserve to be seeded second. For me they should be a standalone competition between the league and the all Ireland. Or the calendar should be reshuffled.

You have far easier routes for some counties to Sam than for others. It's inherently unfair.

They would never mean as much without the link to the all Ireland.

The seeding doesn't mean much in the current format anyway. Every team still has to get through the round Robin. (And 1st and 2nd seed are likely getting through these anyway)

They do mean a lot though.  First of all they allow teams in the All Ireland ahead of potentially better teams, then they skew the groups which provides easier routes for some counties.  That's the issue I have with the link between the provincials and the All Ireland.  Happy enough if you seeded the provincial champions and left the other 12 spots open draw I think that would go along way.

Kerry and Louth will likely make it to the knock out stages without playing a division 1 team.  Armagh will have played 5 if they make it that far 

Armagh have Derry relegated to Div 2 for next year are they really much different to having Monaghan or Roscommon in your group who are promoted to Div 1 for 2026?  As you said Meath aren't a top 8 team yet they earned a 2nd seed by taking out Dublin.  Taking that into account the Dubs shouldn't bring the same fear they once did for Armagh either.

The difference is Derry are the worst team in their group, Monaghan and Roscommon are in the top 2 of their groups.  So yes the groups are highly unbalanced because of the provincial championships

That's the luck of the draw and things balance themselves out with three teams in each group progressing to the knock out stages and if you happen to be in a weaker group you are more likely to face elimination in the 12 round tie.

On what basis is that accurate. Kerry and one of Clare, Louth, Monaghan and down will be in the last 8?  Yet Armagh could end up meeting Tyrone and Dublin could meet Mayo in the last 12.

The groups matter and the imbalance in them is for me a farce. It's not luck of the draw. It's a badly weighted system.

That all said it's always been a badly weighted system and the concept of the sport is badly weighted to begin with.

It's the luck of the draw as Armagh could easily have got the group that Clare did as 2nd seeds.  Regardless having a provincial championships with three well attended finals and matches decided on fine margin is good to have before the All Ireland series in my opinion. 

[David McKeown]

Well done Louth!

Can we stop talking about getting rid of Provincials now?

Look at what this means to Louth..don't take this chance of silverware away!

The problem with the provincials isn't what they mean to those involved it's the disproportionate impact they have on the All Ireland. With the greatest amount of respect to Clare and Meath they aren't in the top 8 in the country and therefore don't deserve to be seeded second. For me they should be a standalone competition between the league and the all Ireland. Or the calendar should be reshuffled.

You have far easier routes for some counties to Sam than for others. It's inherently unfair.

They would never mean as much without the link to the all Ireland.

The seeding doesn't mean much in the current format anyway. Every team still has to get through the round Robin. (And 1st and 2nd seed are likely getting through these anyway)

They do mean a lot though.  First of all they allow teams in the All Ireland ahead of potentially better teams, then they skew the groups which provides easier routes for some counties.  That's the issue I have with the link between the provincials and the All Ireland.  Happy enough if you seeded the provincial champions and left the other 12 spots open draw I think that would go along way.

Kerry and Louth will likely make it to the knock out stages without playing a division 1 team.  Armagh will have played 5 if they make it that far 

Armagh have Derry relegated to Div 2 for next year are they really much different to having Monaghan or Roscommon in your group who are promoted to Div 1 for 2026?  As you said Meath aren't a top 8 team yet they earned a 2nd seed by taking out Dublin.  Taking that into account the Dubs shouldn't bring the same fear they once did for Armagh either.

The difference is Derry are the worst team in their group, Monaghan and Roscommon are in the top 2 of their groups.  So yes the groups are highly unbalanced because of the provincial championships

That's the luck of the draw and things balance themselves out with three teams in each group progressing to the knock out stages and if you happen to be in a weaker group you are more likely to face elimination in the 12 round tie.

On what basis is that accurate. Kerry and one of Clare, Louth, Monaghan and down will be in the last 8?  Yet Armagh could end up meeting Tyrone and Dublin could meet Mayo in the last 12.

The groups matter and the imbalance in them is for me a farce. It's not luck of the draw. It's a badly weighted system.

That all said it's always been a badly weighted system and the concept of the sport is badly weighted to begin with.

It's the luck of the draw as Armagh could easily have got the group that Clare did as 2nd seeds.  Regardless having a provincial championships with three well attended finals and matches decided on fine margin is good to have before the All Ireland series in my opinion. 

I don't think it's an either or. A small amendment could easily facilitate both.

By seeding in the way it is that it will always favour the smaller provinces.

[Bogman]

Meath lads are quiet

[RedHand88]

Well done Louth!

Can we stop talking about getting rid of Provincials now?

Look at what this means to Louth..don't take this chance of silverware away!

The problem with the provincials isn't what they mean to those involved it's the disproportionate impact they have on the All Ireland. With the greatest amount of respect to Clare and Meath they aren't in the top 8 in the country and therefore don't deserve to be seeded second. For me they should be a standalone competition between the league and the all Ireland. Or the calendar should be reshuffled.

You have far easier routes for some counties to Sam than for others. It's inherently unfair.

They would never mean as much without the link to the all Ireland.

The seeding doesn't mean much in the current format anyway. Every team still has to get through the round Robin. (And 1st and 2nd seed are likely getting through these anyway)

They do mean a lot though.  First of all they allow teams in the All Ireland ahead of potentially better teams, then they skew the groups which provides easier routes for some counties.  That's the issue I have with the link between the provincials and the All Ireland.  Happy enough if you seeded the provincial champions and left the other 12 spots open draw I think that would go along way.

Kerry and Louth will likely make it to the knock out stages without playing a division 1 team.  Armagh will have played 5 if they make it that far 

Armagh have Derry relegated to Div 2 for next year are they really much different to having Monaghan or Roscommon in your group who are promoted to Div 1 for 2026?  As you said Meath aren't a top 8 team yet they earned a 2nd seed by taking out Dublin.  Taking that into account the Dubs shouldn't bring the same fear they once did for Armagh either.

The difference is Derry are the worst team in their group, Monaghan and Roscommon are in the top 2 of their groups.  So yes the groups are highly unbalanced because of the provincial championships

That's the luck of the draw and things balance themselves out with three teams in each group progressing to the knock out stages and if you happen to be in a weaker group you are more likely to face elimination in the 12 round tie.

On what basis is that accurate. Kerry and one of Clare, Louth, Monaghan and down will be in the last 8?  Yet Armagh could end up meeting Tyrone and Dublin could meet Mayo in the last 12.

The groups matter and the imbalance in them is for me a farce. It's not luck of the draw. It's a badly weighted system.

That all said it's always been a badly weighted system and the concept of the sport is badly weighted to begin with.

It's the luck of the draw.
Euro 2021 had a group with France, Germany, Portugal and Hungary. The same tournament also had one with Netherlands, Austria, Ukraine and North Macedonia.
It happens in sport.

[thewobbler]

You've got to remember that for some people, all they want is a path cleared for their team to succeed with minimum fuss. It's not fairness or consistency they're actually seeking, it's for the rub of the green to go their way. And when it doesn't - whether in the form of competition format, or refereeing decision - it upsets them.

[tbrick18]

That was an enjoyable game for a neutral.
I was actually in Navan the morning of the match and a few people I was chatting to were hopeful but not confident, it seems Louth's slight favourites tag was merited.
In saying that, I felt Meath were the better side for the majority of the match, but goals win matches as they say and Louth got them at key times.
I think both teams are better than they've been given credit for in the big picture. They could both put it up to anyone from an attacking pov, but both could do with tightening up at the back to be contenders. Costello from Meath is some footballer and Mulroy is class.

For what it's worth, that was as clear cut a penalty as you'll see imo. Blatant push just as he was about to kick the ball.