Ulster Championship 2025

[flowerpot]

This in a nutshell.

[Milltown Row2]

Point is refs seem to making multi mistakes during matches. A player queries that,  its moved up. Who reviews a poor ref performance. Does somebody ever come out and say. Sorry that mistake cause you a game.

Ref's are assessed every game at that level.

Players managers make more mistakes in a game, period.

[tonto1888]

3. Ref moving in frees and folk opting for 2 pointers.

This one I really dislike. I don't mind the ref moving it up, that's fair, but that should be it. The player should not be allowed to go for 2

[Tyrone Split]

How come it's in Clones? I thought Armagh were on the 'home' side of the pairing. Maybe the policy for semi finals is always a neutral venue I assume

[Armagh18]

How come it's in Clones? I thought Armagh were on the 'home' side of the pairing. Maybe the policy for semi finals is always a neutral venue I assume

semis alway neutral. Its not Leinster lol

[nrico2006]

3. Ref moving in frees and folk opting for 2 pointers.

This one I really dislike. I don't mind the ref moving it up, that's fair, but that should be it. The player should not be allowed to go for 2

I agree with that too, but I suppose what's stopping a player from intentionally not giving the ball over, or slabbering, to get a free outside the arc moved inside the arc. In that instance, you would obviously want to be able to take ut from where you originally were supposed to.

[Truthsayer]

I was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣

The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum
They were voted in by over 90%.

I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.

I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close.  So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.

Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?

Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.

I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.

There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.

In the league the rules changed half way through and there were plenty of rubbish games too.
And now we have 12 behind the ball with lateral passing around the arc. So that hasn't changed and there's no massive deluge of goals unless there is a sending off.

And no, the rules were not the reasons Derry and Cavan got beat, but they certainly contributed to the manner of defeat.
Under old rules, if you we losing all the MF battles from a long kickout, you have the option of going short to try to get back into the game, or at least to take pressure off by getting some possession. That's almost impossible now, so you just have to keep with the same long kick and continue to get wiped out. Who does that help? Not the spectator or either of the teams in my view.

From the perspective of the stronger teams, the rules are probably great. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Armagh...the underdog is now less likely to catch them. So the status quo remains.
I guarantee if Dublin/Kerry are getting continually beaten by 10 points under the new rules, all of a sudden the rules will change again.

Also in the league, not all the rules were applied to all the games! No hooter in Div 3/4.
No hooter in championship now either unless televised. So it's not an even playing field. Either apply the rules to every game or don't apply them I would have thought.

Where to start there?!
I'm a long time following football and don't think I've ever seen Dublin and Kerry getting continually beaten by 10 points! Like where did you pull that out of? The game has been a mess for years and needed changed nothing to do with Dublin or Kerry. #paranoid

[JoG2]

I was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣

The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum
They were voted in by over 90%.

I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.

I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close.  So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.

Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?

Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.

I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.

There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.

In the league the rules changed half way through and there were plenty of rubbish games too.
And now we have 12 behind the ball with lateral passing around the arc. So that hasn't changed and there's no massive deluge of goals unless there is a sending off.

And no, the rules were not the reasons Derry and Cavan got beat, but they certainly contributed to the manner of defeat.
Under old rules, if you we losing all the MF battles from a long kickout, you have the option of going short to try to get back into the game, or at least to take pressure off by getting some possession. That's almost impossible now, so you just have to keep with the same long kick and continue to get wiped out. Who does that help? Not the spectator or either of the teams in my view.

From the perspective of the stronger teams, the rules are probably great. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Armagh...the underdog is now less likely to catch them. So the status quo remains.
I guarantee if Dublin/Kerry are getting continually beaten by 10 points under the new rules, all of a sudden the rules will change again.

Also in the league, not all the rules were applied to all the games! No hooter in Div 3/4.
No hooter in championship now either unless televised. So it's not an even playing field. Either apply the rules to every game or don't apply them I would have thought.

Where to start there?!
I'm a long time following football and don't think I've ever seen Dublin and Kerry getting continually beaten by 10 points! Like where did you pull that out of? The game has been a mess for years and needed changed nothing to do with Dublin or Kerry. #paranoid

It's when a Kerry or Dublin lose a semi final / final or two in games (when they were in control for large portions) due to the opposition getting a run on them (by winning the lotto on the long kickouts) in the closing 10mins...

[flowerpot]

Or getting a 2 pointer against because Paudie was roaring in someone's face and not releasing the ball!

[Truthsayer]

I was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣

The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum
They were voted in by over 90%.

I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.

I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close.  So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.

Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?

Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.

I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.

There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.

In the league the rules changed half way through and there were plenty of rubbish games too.
And now we have 12 behind the ball with lateral passing around the arc. So that hasn't changed and there's no massive deluge of goals unless there is a sending off.

And no, the rules were not the reasons Derry and Cavan got beat, but they certainly contributed to the manner of defeat.
Under old rules, if you we losing all the MF battles from a long kickout, you have the option of going short to try to get back into the game, or at least to take pressure off by getting some possession. That's almost impossible now, so you just have to keep with the same long kick and continue to get wiped out. Who does that help? Not the spectator or either of the teams in my view.

From the perspective of the stronger teams, the rules are probably great. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Armagh...the underdog is now less likely to catch them. So the status quo remains.
I guarantee if Dublin/Kerry are getting continually beaten by 10 points under the new rules, all of a sudden the rules will change again.

Also in the league, not all the rules were applied to all the games! No hooter in Div 3/4.
No hooter in championship now either unless televised. So it's not an even playing field. Either apply the rules to every game or don't apply them I would have thought.

Where to start there?!
I'm a long time following football and don't think I've ever seen Dublin and Kerry getting continually beaten by 10 points! Like where did you pull that out of? The game has been a mess for years and needed changed nothing to do with Dublin or Kerry. #paranoid

It's when a Kerry or Dublin lose a semi final / final or two in games (when they were in control for large portions) due to the opposition getting a run on them (by winning the lotto on the long kickouts) in the closing 10mins...

I genuinely have absolutely no idea what you're saying here 

[Grace Murphy]

I was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣

The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum
They were voted in by over 90%.

I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.

I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close.  So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.

Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?

Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.

I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.

100 percent agree with this. Tap and go about the only thing I would keep.

[thewobbler]

Seems there are two types of people who follow football.

1. Those who can recall just how awful the game had become, especially in terms of lateral play.

2. Those with goldfish memories.

[flowerpot]

3. Those who enjoy the spectacle within the confine of whatever rules are in place.  There have been matches under the old rules where 1-7 to 0-9 have been as enjoyable if not more than 1-24 to 1-34 under the new rules.

[JoG2]

I was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣

The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum
They were voted in by over 90%.

I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.

I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close.  So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.

Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?

Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.

I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.

There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.

In the league the rules changed half way through and there were plenty of rubbish games too.
And now we have 12 behind the ball with lateral passing around the arc. So that hasn't changed and there's no massive deluge of goals unless there is a sending off.

And no, the rules were not the reasons Derry and Cavan got beat, but they certainly contributed to the manner of defeat.
Under old rules, if you we losing all the MF battles from a long kickout, you have the option of going short to try to get back into the game, or at least to take pressure off by getting some possession. That's almost impossible now, so you just have to keep with the same long kick and continue to get wiped out. Who does that help? Not the spectator or either of the teams in my view.

From the perspective of the stronger teams, the rules are probably great. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Armagh...the underdog is now less likely to catch them. So the status quo remains.
I guarantee if Dublin/Kerry are getting continually beaten by 10 points under the new rules, all of a sudden the rules will change again.

Also in the league, not all the rules were applied to all the games! No hooter in Div 3/4.
No hooter in championship now either unless televised. So it's not an even playing field. Either apply the rules to every game or don't apply them I would have thought.

Where to start there?!
I'm a long time following football and don't think I've ever seen Dublin and Kerry getting continually beaten by 10 points! Like where did you pull that out of? The game has been a mess for years and needed changed nothing to do with Dublin or Kerry. #paranoid

It's when a Kerry or Dublin lose a semi final / final or two in games (when they were in control for large portions) due to the opposition getting a run on them (by winning the lotto on the long kickouts) in the closing 10mins...

I genuinely have absolutely no idea what you're saying here 

Being daft isn't a crime, so no harm done

[Truthsayer]

I was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣

The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum
They were voted in by over 90%.

I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.

I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close.  So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.

Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?

Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.

I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.

There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.

In the league the rules changed half way through and there were plenty of rubbish games too.
And now we have 12 behind the ball with lateral passing around the arc. So that hasn't changed and there's no massive deluge of goals unless there is a sending off.

And no, the rules were not the reasons Derry and Cavan got beat, but they certainly contributed to the manner of defeat.
Under old rules, if you we losing all the MF battles from a long kickout, you have the option of going short to try to get back into the game, or at least to take pressure off by getting some possession. That's almost impossible now, so you just have to keep with the same long kick and continue to get wiped out. Who does that help? Not the spectator or either of the teams in my view.

From the perspective of the stronger teams, the rules are probably great. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Armagh...the underdog is now less likely to catch them. So the status quo remains.
I guarantee if Dublin/Kerry are getting continually beaten by 10 points under the new rules, all of a sudden the rules will change again.

Also in the league, not all the rules were applied to all the games! No hooter in Div 3/4.
No hooter in championship now either unless televised. So it's not an even playing field. Either apply the rules to every game or don't apply them I would have thought.

Where to start there?!
I'm a long time following football and don't think I've ever seen Dublin and Kerry getting continually beaten by 10 points! Like where did you pull that out of? The game has been a mess for years and needed changed nothing to do with Dublin or Kerry. #paranoid

It's when a Kerry or Dublin lose a semi final / final or two in games (when they were in control for large portions) due to the opposition getting a run on them (by winning the lotto on the long kickouts) in the closing 10mins...

I genuinely have absolutely no idea what you're saying here 

Being daft isn't a crime, so no harm done

Going from talking shite to personal insults... well done 👏