General Election 2024

[armaghniac]

Pascal Donohoe now with 1500 surplus and Sherlock needs only 120 more than Hutch from that.
PR voting will save the day.

pity

You wanted a criminal gangster to be elected?

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Marie Sherlock might creep in ahead of Hutch yet...

One candidate where they're may be a bit of vote rigging... The Monk getting in be some indictment of FF/FG government...

Or could it be an indictment of the voters from around there?
Why are do-gooders always absolving them of their bad decisions?

Maybe they just like a sc**bag like Gerry Hutch because he is one of their own.

Politics summed up in a single sentence.

[Pub Bore]

Great vote management by FF, pretty good by SF and a mixed bag by FG.  It's FFFG for the foreseeable future in Ireland until there's another major crash.  SF just couldn't convince enough people that they would actually change things.  They leaked votes to nearly everyone.  I'm not sure where SF go from here?  A left leaning transfer pact going into an election looks essential not as an after thought the day before voting.  I can't see Mary Lou leading them into the next election.  She's good with people but got stuck on the detail in some interviews.

[NAG1]

Great vote management by FF, pretty good by SF and a mixed bag by FG.  It's FFFG for the foreseeable future in Ireland until there's another major crash.  SF just couldn't convince enough people that they would actually change things.  They leaked votes to nearly everyone.  I'm not sure where SF go from here?  A left leaning transfer pact going into an election looks essential not as an after thought the day before voting.  I can't see Mary Lou leading them into the next election.  She's good with people but got stuck on the detail in some interviews.

I think SF are cutting through in the electorate that will matter going forward, there will be another block of disenfranchised young people at the next election looking at the same problems facing those who voted SF this time around.
While at the other end of the scale you will have the FF FG vote dropping off.

The issues facing the country aren't going away and if anything there are going to get worse which will play harder to those seeking change.

Plus the old 'But the Ra' argument loses more and more impact with every passing year.

[thewobbler]

From my outsider's perspective it looks like:

Roughly 40% of the Irish population don't believe that the policies and make-up of the government matter.

Roughly 30% would like Ireland to become a more socialist place to live.

Roughly 30% are happy with things the way they are.

The only one of those groups that's decreasing in size is the last one.

Where do SF and the left go from here? First they do it patiently, secondly they do it by concentrating on social inequality and staying away from anything overtly republican and anything overtly woke/liberal/environmentally focused. That's when the absent 40 might wake up.

[tyroneStatto]

was good to see the Greens get decimated but a pity still that Roderic O'Gorman retained his seat.
mind boggling that Helen McEntee topped the poll in her constituency, why on earth would anyone vote for her?

[NAG1]

was good to see the Greens get decimated but a pity still that Roderic O'Gorman retained his seat.
mind boggling that Helen McEntee topped the poll in her constituency, why on earth would anyone vote for her?

Was I wrong or did I see Sean Boylan campaigning for her?

[armaghniac]

I think SF are cutting through in the electorate that will matter going forward, there will be another block of disenfranchised young people at the next election looking at the same problems facing those who voted SF this time around.

Young people are not 'disenfranchised', they have the same vote as everyone else, although they seem less inclined to use it. Some people seem to have the view that they are more important than everyone else, when democracy is one man one vote. Some of the language from SF about mandates is over the top for the third biggest party, it reminds you of the claims of the unionists in the North who speak as if they represent everyone.

[Pub Bore]

I think SF are cutting through in the electorate that will matter going forward, there will be another block of disenfranchised young people at the next election looking at the same problems facing those who voted SF this time around.

Young people are not 'disenfranchised', they have the same vote as everyone else, although they seem less inclined to use it. Some people seem to have the view that they are more important than everyone else, when democracy is one man one vote. Some of the language from SF about mandates is over the top for the third biggest party, it reminds you of the claims of the unionists in the North who speak as if they represent everyone.

Agree, I don't buy the SF analysis but I don't think it was the "disaster" for SF as the Irish Times called it.  Young people seem to have voted for SF and FFFG in roughly equal numbers.

[NAG1]

I think SF are cutting through in the electorate that will matter going forward, there will be another block of disenfranchised young people at the next election looking at the same problems facing those who voted SF this time around.

Young people are not 'disenfranchised', they have the same vote as everyone else, although they seem less inclined to use it. Some people seem to have the view that they are more important than everyone else, when democracy is one man one vote. Some of the language from SF about mandates is over the top for the third biggest party, it reminds you of the claims of the unionists in the North who speak as if they represent everyone.

I wasn't referring to disenfranchised in terms of their vote, more that they are disenfranchised from access to housing, access to a fair economy and access to employment and opportunities.

[Kidder81]

I think SF are cutting through in the electorate that will matter going forward, there will be another block of disenfranchised young people at the next election looking at the same problems facing those who voted SF this time around.

Young people are not 'disenfranchised', they have the same vote as everyone else, although they seem less inclined to use it. Some people seem to have the view that they are more important than everyone else, when democracy is one man one vote. Some of the language from SF about mandates is over the top for the third biggest party, it reminds you of the claims of the unionists in the North who speak as if they represent everyone.

I wasn't referring to disenfranchised in terms of their vote, more that they are disenfranchised from access to housing, access to a fair economy and access to employment and opportunities.

Access to employment ? It's there for anyone that wants it

[NAG1]

I think SF are cutting through in the electorate that will matter going forward, there will be another block of disenfranchised young people at the next election looking at the same problems facing those who voted SF this time around.

Young people are not 'disenfranchised', they have the same vote as everyone else, although they seem less inclined to use it. Some people seem to have the view that they are more important than everyone else, when democracy is one man one vote. Some of the language from SF about mandates is over the top for the third biggest party, it reminds you of the claims of the unionists in the North who speak as if they represent everyone.

I wasn't referring to disenfranchised in terms of their vote, more that they are disenfranchised from access to housing, access to a fair economy and access to employment and opportunities.

Access to employment ? It's there for anyone that wants it

That pays enough to live where they want to live, buy a house at a reasonable percentage of their income?
Really?

[armaghniac]

I wasn't referring to disenfranchised in terms of their vote, more that they are disenfranchised from access to housing, access to a fair economy and access to employment and opportunities.

Housing is certainly an issue, but people today have a much better economy, more access to education and employment and so more opportunities than their parents or grandparents ever had.

[WT4E]

Why would FF - FG never go into coalition with SF?

[NAG1]

I wasn't referring to disenfranchised in terms of their vote, more that they are disenfranchised from access to housing, access to a fair economy and access to employment and opportunities.

Housing is certainly an issue, but people today have a much better economy, more access to education and employment and so more opportunities than their parents or grandparents ever had.

Agreed, but all that is relative to the cost of living and the housing market. Even back in the day with less education and employment opportunities owning your own house in your own community wasn't the pipe dream it is today.

Could go round in circles with this all day but that is just the way it is and more and more young people are coming into that reality every year.