General Election 2024

[AustinPowers]

Whatever happened to Amazon and Tesla's 10 grand  flat pack houses?

I thought they were touted   to be the answer to the housing crisis. Well, short term anyway.

[Franko]

Trileac, they almost stopped building Council houses because they wanted to get away from creating big ghettos like West Tallaght.
I suspect property developers pushed for that as they didn't want Council houses being built near fields they were sitting on.
Then they introduced HAP which in effect means the taxpayer giving loads of money to private landlords and never getting an asset in return.
I'd say the affordable houses will enable a certain number of people to buy but no prospect of a rent to buy on the horizon.

Blueshirts big in Rhubarbland I see.

As well as not building enough houses is it not also the case that when they do they're hoovered up by Venture Capitalists who then look to rent these properties?

First time buyers don't stand a chance if that's the case.

Ireland builds more houses per capita than any country in Europe, and three times the rate in UK. A 10% duty  has been placed on mass purchase of houses. These measures might not still not be enough, but it is wrong to characterise the situation as inaction or imply that it is easy to do more.

But it is easy to do more

Apply a 100% duty (or 1000 - pick a bloody number) to mass purchase of houses

Normal people looking for somewhere to live don't buy houses in multiples - that's the preserve of those wishing to commodify housing - which is exactly the problem here

The 10% was gesture politics - designed purely to give the appearance of action

And it is being lapped up by the apologists and lackeys

[armaghniac]

Trileac, they almost stopped building Council houses because they wanted to get away from creating big ghettos like West Tallaght.
I suspect property developers pushed for that as they didn't want Council houses being built near fields they were sitting on.
Then they introduced HAP which in effect means the taxpayer giving loads of money to private landlords and never getting an asset in return.
I'd say the affordable houses will enable a certain number of people to buy but no prospect of a rent to buy on the horizon.

Blueshirts big in Rhubarbland I see.

As well as not building enough houses is it not also the case that when they do they're hoovered up by Venture Capitalists who then look to rent these properties?

First time buyers don't stand a chance if that's the case.

Ireland builds more houses per capita than any country in Europe, and three times the rate in UK. A 10% duty  has been placed on mass purchase of houses. These measures might not still not be enough, but it is wrong to characterise the situation as inaction or imply that it is easy to do more.

But it is easy to do more

Apply a 100% duty (or 1000 - pick a bloody number) to mass purchase of houses

Normal people looking for somewhere to live don't buy houses in multiples - that's the preserve of those wishing to commodify housing - which is exactly the problem here

The 10% was gesture politics - designed purely to give the appearance of action

And it is being lapped up by the apologists and lackeys

Fine. But bulk purchases of houses was greatly reduced by the 10% duty, so you don't get much benefit from increasing it. What is needed is more houses, not rearranging the ones that are being built.

[Franko]

Trileac, they almost stopped building Council houses because they wanted to get away from creating big ghettos like West Tallaght.
I suspect property developers pushed for that as they didn't want Council houses being built near fields they were sitting on.
Then they introduced HAP which in effect means the taxpayer giving loads of money to private landlords and never getting an asset in return.
I'd say the affordable houses will enable a certain number of people to buy but no prospect of a rent to buy on the horizon.

Blueshirts big in Rhubarbland I see.

As well as not building enough houses is it not also the case that when they do they're hoovered up by Venture Capitalists who then look to rent these properties?

First time buyers don't stand a chance if that's the case.

Ireland builds more houses per capita than any country in Europe, and three times the rate in UK. A 10% duty  has been placed on mass purchase of houses. These measures might not still not be enough, but it is wrong to characterise the situation as inaction or imply that it is easy to do more.

But it is easy to do more

Apply a 100% duty (or 1000 - pick a bloody number) to mass purchase of houses

Normal people looking for somewhere to live don't buy houses in multiples - that's the preserve of those wishing to commodify housing - which is exactly the problem here

The 10% was gesture politics - designed purely to give the appearance of action

And it is being lapped up by the apologists and lackeys

Fine. But bulk purchases of houses was greatly reduced by the 10% duty, so you don't get much benefit from increasing it. What is needed is more houses, not rearranging the ones that are being built.

Wrong

A good portion of the reason for the current crisis is the ridiculous rents being charged

How many people are saying that they could easily afford a mortgage...

IF

They could ever get some relief from the crazy rental prices for long enough to save a deposit

And who is charging these ridiculous rental rates?

The buy/build to rent sector is out of control

And our current incumbents reckon that a 10% levy was going to sort it all out

FFS

[armaghniac]

Trileac, they almost stopped building Council houses because they wanted to get away from creating big ghettos like West Tallaght.
I suspect property developers pushed for that as they didn't want Council houses being built near fields they were sitting on.
Then they introduced HAP which in effect means the taxpayer giving loads of money to private landlords and never getting an asset in return.
I'd say the affordable houses will enable a certain number of people to buy but no prospect of a rent to buy on the horizon.

Blueshirts big in Rhubarbland I see.

As well as not building enough houses is it not also the case that when they do they're hoovered up by Venture Capitalists who then look to rent these properties?

First time buyers don't stand a chance if that's the case.

Ireland builds more houses per capita than any country in Europe, and three times the rate in UK. A 10% duty  has been placed on mass purchase of houses. These measures might not still not be enough, but it is wrong to characterise the situation as inaction or imply that it is easy to do more.

But it is easy to do more

Apply a 100% duty (or 1000 - pick a bloody number) to mass purchase of houses

Normal people looking for somewhere to live don't buy houses in multiples - that's the preserve of those wishing to commodify housing - which is exactly the problem here

The 10% was gesture politics - designed purely to give the appearance of action

And it is being lapped up by the apologists and lackeys

Fine. But bulk purchases of houses was greatly reduced by the 10% duty, so you don't get much benefit from increasing it. What is needed is more houses, not rearranging the ones that are being built.

Wrong

A good portion of the reason for the current crisis is the ridiculous rents being charged

How many people are saying that they could easily afford a mortgage...

IF

They could ever get some relief from the crazy rental prices for long enough to save a deposit

And who is charging these ridiculous rental rates?

The buy/build to rent sector is out of control

And our current incumbents reckon that a 10% levy was going to sort it all out

FFS

Rents are excessive, yet you are trying to stop people renting out houses which can only make things worse.
It is like a Rubiks cube, fiddle with one thing and you put another out of kilter.

[Franko]

Trileac, they almost stopped building Council houses because they wanted to get away from creating big ghettos like West Tallaght.
I suspect property developers pushed for that as they didn't want Council houses being built near fields they were sitting on.
Then they introduced HAP which in effect means the taxpayer giving loads of money to private landlords and never getting an asset in return.
I'd say the affordable houses will enable a certain number of people to buy but no prospect of a rent to buy on the horizon.

Blueshirts big in Rhubarbland I see.

As well as not building enough houses is it not also the case that when they do they're hoovered up by Venture Capitalists who then look to rent these properties?

First time buyers don't stand a chance if that's the case.

Ireland builds more houses per capita than any country in Europe, and three times the rate in UK. A 10% duty  has been placed on mass purchase of houses. These measures might not still not be enough, but it is wrong to characterise the situation as inaction or imply that it is easy to do more.

But it is easy to do more

Apply a 100% duty (or 1000 - pick a bloody number) to mass purchase of houses

Normal people looking for somewhere to live don't buy houses in multiples - that's the preserve of those wishing to commodify housing - which is exactly the problem here

The 10% was gesture politics - designed purely to give the appearance of action

And it is being lapped up by the apologists and lackeys

Fine. But bulk purchases of houses was greatly reduced by the 10% duty, so you don't get much benefit from increasing it. What is needed is more houses, not rearranging the ones that are being built.

Wrong

A good portion of the reason for the current crisis is the ridiculous rents being charged

How many people are saying that they could easily afford a mortgage...

IF

They could ever get some relief from the crazy rental prices for long enough to save a deposit

And who is charging these ridiculous rental rates?

The buy/build to rent sector is out of control

And our current incumbents reckon that a 10% levy was going to sort it all out

FFS

Rents are excessive, yet you are trying to stop people renting out houses which can only make things worse.
It is like a Rubiks cube, fiddle with one thing and you put another out of kilter.

I'm not trying to stop people renting out houses.

I'd like them to rent them for a sensible figure.  Otherwise sell it to someone who needs a house.

You sound like the landlords who say the are 'providing housing for people'.  As if the house would suddenly disappear if they didn't own it 

[Look-Up!]

Trileac, they almost stopped building Council houses because they wanted to get away from creating big ghettos like West Tallaght.
I suspect property developers pushed for that as they didn't want Council houses being built near fields they were sitting on.
Then they introduced HAP which in effect means the taxpayer giving loads of money to private landlords and never getting an asset in return.
I'd say the affordable houses will enable a certain number of people to buy but no prospect of a rent to buy on the horizon.

Blueshirts big in Rhubarbland I see.

As well as not building enough houses is it not also the case that when they do they're hoovered up by Venture Capitalists who then look to rent these properties?

First time buyers don't stand a chance if that's the case.

Ireland builds more houses per capita than any country in Europe, and three times the rate in UK. A 10% duty  has been placed on mass purchase of houses. These measures might not still not be enough, but it is wrong to characterise the situation as inaction or imply that it is easy to do more.

But it is easy to do more

Apply a 100% duty (or 1000 - pick a bloody number) to mass purchase of houses

Normal people looking for somewhere to live don't buy houses in multiples - that's the preserve of those wishing to commodify housing - which is exactly the problem here

The 10% was gesture politics - designed purely to give the appearance of action

And it is being lapped up by the apologists and lackeys

Fine. But bulk purchases of houses was greatly reduced by the 10% duty, so you don't get much benefit from increasing it. What is needed is more houses, not rearranging the ones that are being built.

Wrong

A good portion of the reason for the current crisis is the ridiculous rents being charged

How many people are saying that they could easily afford a mortgage...

IF

They could ever get some relief from the crazy rental prices for long enough to save a deposit

And who is charging these ridiculous rental rates?

The buy/build to rent sector is out of control

And our current incumbents reckon that a 10% levy was going to sort it all out

FFS

Rents are excessive, yet you are trying to stop people renting out houses which can only make things worse.
It is like a Rubiks cube, fiddle with one thing and you put another out of kilter.

I'm not trying to stop people renting out houses.

I'd like them to rent them for a sensible figure.  Otherwise sell it to someone who needs a house.

You sound like the landlords who say the are 'providing housing for people'.  As if the house would suddenly disappear if they didn't own it 

House won't disappear but spare rooms will disappear i.e occupancy rates drop when houses change from rental to private ownership, further pressurizing the market.

Any talk of fixing the housing crisis without drastically increasing supply is nonsensical. Rent is demand driven. It's really that simple! Any politician who will not acknowledge this are not genuine. They are looking for easy votes.

[Rossfan]

Increase supply is the only answer.
Or else wreck the economy and thereby decrease the population.

[trileacman]

Increase supply is the only answer.
Or else wreck the economy and thereby decrease the population.

Yeah it seems to be a pretty typical supply/demand problem to me but I'm no expert on housing. Anyone have a figure for how many rental properties are owned by large companies?

[Rossfan]

If Independent Ireland get into Governnent we'll have a light rail system from Arigna through Croghan, Elphin, Strokestown, 4milehouse......

[armaghniac]

If Independent Ireland get into Governnent we'll have a light rail system from Arigna through Croghan, Elphin, Strokestown, 4milehouse......

This kind of thing has been tried before

[weareros]

As I suspected. From the Business Post:

New polling shows three main parties neck and neck as polling day looms
Just two points separate the three parties all seeking to lead the next government

General Election 2024


The leaders' debate on RTÉ this Tuesday one last chance to ignite a campaign that has thus far been a masterclass in tedium. The stakes could not be higher
Ireland's political cauldron simmers with an indecision that borders on existential crisis, as the nation's three main parties find themselves trapped in a near-perfect deadlock—Fianna Fáil at 22 per cent, Fine Gael at 21, and Sinn Féin at 20, according to fresh internal polling seen by the Business Post.

[Armagh18]

SF maybe havent the depth or network of the others, but listening to Mary Lou speak and even interact with people it's night and day. The other 2 muppets are hopeless.

[armaghniac]

SF maybe havent the depth or network of the others, but listening to Mary Lou speak and even interact with people it's night and day. The other 2 muppets are hopeless.

Mary-Lou has recovered her mo-jo. It is a pity though that much of what she says is dangerous nonsense.

[Armagh18]

SF maybe havent the depth or network of the others, but listening to Mary Lou speak and even interact with people it's night and day. The other 2 muppets are hopeless.

Mary-Lou has recovered her mo-jo. It is a pity though that much of what she says is dangerous nonsense.

Seriously