Rory Gallagher

[APM]

There are some supporters who would defend their county no matter what the circumstance and criticise another county for doing the same thing.

Really can't understand the thinking Derry. Maybe that's because there's been no thinking!

[Captain Obvious]

It still amazes me that so many people have him down as guilty or have known about him for years.

If those same people knew he was committing abuse for years why didn't they go to the police?

I think the moderator needs to look at the some of these comments as many are saying a man is guilty of something whereas there is no public record of that.

Media will be very careful about what they say if he's reappointed too.

Once again, anyone guilty of the alleged crimes should be in prison.

Sean, haven't seen many people stating that he is outright guilty, but the circumstances are far too controversial and the Derry county board are making fools of themselves trying to get back with an ex.

Move on, better for everyone just to move on! Decent set of players, get another decent manager in with no baggage. Simple

Gallagher might not even have an All-Ireland in him so why risk reputations even further. 

Nail on head.

[LC]

If RG gets the nod the following Joe Brolly podcast should be interesting.

He did not like (understatement) MH because he was a paid mercenary so I imagine his opinion of RG should be no different......you would think anyway.

[RedHand88]

Did he ever deny it?

[Itchy]

Did he ever deny it?

His denial of her accusations waa missing from every comment he made. That tells you everything unless of course you just don't want to listen

[Saffron_sam20]

Did he ever deny it?

His denial of her accusations waa missing from every comment he made. That tells you everything unless of course you just don't want to listen

No it doesn't, if he got legal advice they would have told him to not get drawn on it, it's pretty common

[David McKeown]

This is a difficult one for me RG was never even prosecuted for this let alone convicted. Moreover has custody of his children following family proceedings which would have had to make findings of fact based on the allegations.

I worry that as a society we no longer believe in the presumption of innocence.

If someone wants to appoint him then they should do their own investigation, reach their own conclusions and if satisfied then appoint away.

I'm not sure that not doing it because of public opinion is really any better than doing it.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

This is a difficult one for me RG was never even prosecuted for this let alone convicted. Moreover has custody of his children following family proceedings which would have had to make findings of fact based on the allegations.

I worry that as a society we no longer believe in the presumption of innocence.

If someone wants to appoint him then they should do their own investigation, reach their own conclusions and if satisfied then appoint away.

I'm not sure that not doing it because of public opinion is really any better than doing it.

As in, weighing up that it's not worth the hassle & shit.
I'm still confused that all this debate is happening around Rory Gallagher. You'd think it was the best manager on the planet. We had a Derry poster on here exclaiming that Derry need an elite manager. They've just gassed Mickey Harte....and he's mad after Rory Gallagher. His profile has massively increased since he left Derry it seems.

[David McKeown]

This is a difficult one for me RG was never even prosecuted for this let alone convicted. Moreover has custody of his children following family proceedings which would have had to make findings of fact based on the allegations.

I worry that as a society we no longer believe in the presumption of innocence.

If someone wants to appoint him then they should do their own investigation, reach their own conclusions and if satisfied then appoint away.

I'm not sure that not doing it because of public opinion is really any better than doing it.

As in, weighing up that it's not worth the hassle & shit.
I'm still confused that all this debate is happening around Rory Gallagher. You'd think it was the best manager on the planet. We had a Derry poster on here exclaiming that Derry need an elite manager. They've just gassed Mickey Harte....and he's mad after Rory Gallagher. His profile has massively increased since he left Derry it seems.

What I am saying is if you conducted an investigation and concluded that hes not guilty of any morally reprehensible conduct then I think theres nothing to weigh up.  The views of those who dont believe in the presumption of innocence or in rehabilitation shouldn't trump the outcome 

[Itchy]

Did he ever deny it?

His denial of her accusations waa missing from every comment he made. That tells you everything unless of course you just don't want to listen

No it doesn't, if he got legal advice they would have told him to not get drawn on it, it's pretty common

Nope. I have never ever heard of legal advice that tells the accused to make a lengthly statement about serious accusations against you but under no circumstances should you deny the accusations. If you can find me an example of such advice to anyone else I'd love to see it. Unfortunately for RG, unlike other poor victims of domestic violence, his had witnesses.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

This is a difficult one for me RG was never even prosecuted for this let alone convicted. Moreover has custody of his children following family proceedings which would have had to make findings of fact based on the allegations.

I worry that as a society we no longer believe in the presumption of innocence.

If someone wants to appoint him then they should do their own investigation, reach their own conclusions and if satisfied then appoint away.

I'm not sure that not doing it because of public opinion is really any better than doing it.

As in, weighing up that it's not worth the hassle & shit.
I'm still confused that all this debate is happening around Rory Gallagher. You'd think it was the best manager on the planet. We had a Derry poster on here exclaiming that Derry need an elite manager. They've just gassed Mickey Harte....and he's mad after Rory Gallagher. His profile has massively increased since he left Derry it seems.

What I am saying is if you conducted an investigation and concluded that hes not guilty of any morally reprehensible conduct then I think theres nothing to weigh up.  The views of those who dont believe in the presumption of innocence or in rehabilitation shouldn't trump the outcome 

I think you're looking too deep into it. "That's a mess. Avoid." Is about the long & short of it.

[David McKeown]

Did he ever deny it?

His denial of her accusations waa missing from every comment he made. That tells you everything unless of course you just don't want to listen

No it doesn't, if he got legal advice they would have told him to not get drawn on it, it's pretty common

Nope. I have never ever heard of legal advice that tells the accused to make a lengthly statement about serious accusations against you but under no circumstances should you deny the accusations. If you can find me an example of such advice to anyone else I'd love to see it. Unfortunately for RG, unlike other poor victims of domestic violence, his had witnesses.

Strange I thought the advice would likely have been not to comment at all on the allegations even to refute them.

[GTP]

"Did he ever deny it?"

"His denial of her accusations waa missing from every
comment he made. That tells you everything unless of course you just don't want
to listen"

If someone denies something, do you automatically believe them?

If RG had denied it at the time, would you have believed him over the witnesses you have mentioned?

If he made a statement today denying the accusations would that mean he is a fit and proper person to manage a GAA team?

I appreciate this is a discussion board but IMO any argument based on someone not denying something being evidence that they did it is completely flawed.

[JoG2]

This is a difficult one for me RG was never even prosecuted for this let alone convicted. Moreover has custody of his children following family proceedings which would have had to make findings of fact based on the allegations.

I worry that as a society we no longer believe in the presumption of innocence.

If someone wants to appoint him then they should do their own investigation, reach their own conclusions and if satisfied then appoint away.

I'm not sure that not doing it because of public opinion is really any better than doing it.

As in, weighing up that it's not worth the hassle & shit.
I'm still confused that all this debate is happening around Rory Gallagher. You'd think it was the best manager on the planet. We had a Derry poster on here exclaiming that Derry need an elite manager. They've just gassed Mickey Harte....and he's mad after Rory Gallagher. His profile has massively increased since he left Derry it seems.

I'd agree with your first few lines on hassle and Harte.
The bit about Gallagher not being one of the best around.. He definitely is imo and there's not too many available to pick from for the season ahead

[Keyser soze]

The 'he hasn't been charged or convicted in court' argument is a bit like saying Al Capone was a well known tax dodger.