Hurling 2024

[didlyi]

There's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.

Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...

At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.

Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.

Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.

You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?

I think they are unsure and in most cases give the benefit of the doubt to keep the game flowing, as thats what we want right?. If your happy with that then why not just allow throws altogether? More to the point is that even if theres a mm of space between the ball and the hand its just too easy and its why there needs to be change. Hurling was always a game of skill and Im sorry to say these kind of handpasses (not all) are at the very low end of the skills.

[Milltown Row2]

There's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.

Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...

At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.

Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.

Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.

You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?

I think they are unsure and in most cases give the benefit of the doubt to keep the game flowing, as thats what we want right?. If your happy with that then why not just allow throws altogether? More to the point is that even if theres a mm of space between the ball and the hand its just too easy and its why there needs to be change. Hurling was always a game of skill and Im sorry to say these kind of handpasses (not all) are at the very low end of the skills.

There's a simple rule in refereeing

If you can't see it you can't call it.

The flow of the game is generally down to the players tbf

Hand passing is an integral part of hurling and done right it can split defences and goals come from that quick pass.

Throws can't be allowed, as it leaves it wide open

[didlyi]

There's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.

Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...

At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.

Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.

Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.

You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?

I think they are unsure and in most cases give the benefit of the doubt to keep the game flowing, as thats what we want right?. If your happy with that then why not just allow throws altogether? More to the point is that even if theres a mm of space between the ball and the hand its just too easy and its why there needs to be change. Hurling was always a game of skill and Im sorry to say these kind of handpasses (not all) are at the very low end of the skills.

There's a simple rule in refereeing

If you can't see it you can't call it.

The flow of the game is generally down to the players tbf

Hand passing is an integral part of hurling and done right it can split defences and goals come from that quick pass.

Throws can't be allowed, as it leaves it wide open

That is your convenient interpretation of the rule which actualy states 'the ball shall be Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand'.
You have turned the rule around so that we error on the side of throwing rather than clear handpasses.
Handpassing is an integral part of the game but its becoming the primary means of moving the ball. Nobody is saying to get rid of the handpass, just the throw type. Excellent Read below....

https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2024/0207/1431014-75-of-handpasses-are-fouls-kelly-urges-rule-change/

[Milltown Row2]

There's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.

Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...

At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.

Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.

Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.

You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?

I think they are unsure and in most cases give the benefit of the doubt to keep the game flowing, as thats what we want right?. If your happy with that then why not just allow throws altogether? More to the point is that even if theres a mm of space between the ball and the hand its just too easy and its why there needs to be change. Hurling was always a game of skill and Im sorry to say these kind of handpasses (not all) are at the very low end of the skills.

There's a simple rule in refereeing

If you can't see it you can't call it.

The flow of the game is generally down to the players tbf

Hand passing is an integral part of hurling and done right it can split defences and goals come from that quick pass.

Throws can't be allowed, as it leaves it wide open

That is your convenient interpretation of the rule which actualy states 'the ball shall be Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand'.
You have turned the rule around so that we error on the side of throwing rather than clear handpasses.
Handpassing is an integral part of the game but its becoming the primary means of moving the ball. Nobody is saying to get rid of the handpass, just the throw type. Excellent Read below....

https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2024/0207/1431014-75-of-handpasses-are-fouls-kelly-urges-rule-change/

There's nothing convenient about it.. do we just call for fouls in all parts of the game because he probably did it?

Make the rule change and that's that.. but don't be making stuff up.

[didlyi]

There's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.

Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...

At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.

Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.

Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.

You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?

I think they are unsure and in most cases give the benefit of the doubt to keep the game flowing, as thats what we want right?. If your happy with that then why not just allow throws altogether? More to the point is that even if theres a mm of space between the ball and the hand its just too easy and its why there needs to be change. Hurling was always a game of skill and Im sorry to say these kind of handpasses (not all) are at the very low end of the skills.

There's a simple rule in refereeing

If you can't see it you can't call it.

The flow of the game is generally down to the players tbf

Hand passing is an integral part of hurling and done right it can split defences and goals come from that quick pass.

Throws can't be allowed, as it leaves it wide open

That is your convenient interpretation of the rule which actualy states 'the ball shall be Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand'.
You have turned the rule around so that we error on the side of throwing rather than clear handpasses.
Handpassing is an integral part of the game but its becoming the primary means of moving the ball. Nobody is saying to get rid of the handpass, just the throw type. Excellent Read below....

https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2024/0207/1431014-75-of-handpasses-are-fouls-kelly-urges-rule-change/

There's nothing convenient about it.. do we just call for fouls in all parts of the game because he probably did it?

Make the rule change and that's that.. but don't be making stuff up.

Absouloutely not but with the proposed new rule there is no 'probably', its clearcut.

[johnnycool]

Jackie Tyrell baring all on the GAA social podcast.

GAA Social

A very good listen and not afraid to come clean on his own discretions..

On the Cody/Shefflin hand shake he talks about, we'd Cody up last winter for a "legends" talk and Cody came clean on it and wasn't asked about it.

Cody is as Tyrell talks about is an out and out hurling man, his life is lived through that prism and more importantly Cody is a James Stephens and Kilkenny hurling man first and foremost.

Cody articulated that night that for the life of him he really could not understand how any Kilkenny hurler, especially someone like Shefflin who has gained so much from Kilkenny hurling could actually coach a team to try and beat Kilkenny in a Leinster or AI championship.

Old school alright but there's loads of lads with a similar attitude in every club and county in Ireland.

I'm sure there's lads in Tyrone would go mad if Mickey Harte coaches Derry to beat them...

[Kidder81]

He had already bared a lot of it on Laochra Gael a couple of years ago

[seafoid]

Jackie Tyrell baring all on the GAA social podcast.

GAA Social

A very good listen and not afraid to come clean on his own discretions..

On the Cody/Shefflin hand shake he talks about, we'd Cody up last winter for a "legends" talk and Cody came clean on it and wasn't asked about it.

Cody is as Tyrell talks about is an out and out hurling man, his life is lived through that prism and more importantly Cody is a James Stephens and Kilkenny hurling man first and foremost.

Cody articulated that night that for the life of him he really could not understand how any Kilkenny hurler, especially someone like Shefflin who has gained so much from Kilkenny hurling could actually coach a team to try and beat Kilkenny in a Leinster or AI championship.

Old school alright but there's loads of lads with a similar attitude in every club and county in Ireland.

I'm sure there's lads in Tyrone would go mad if Mickey Harte coaches Derry to beat them...

If Kilkenny were winning it might be different. But kilkenny are really hurting. This is season 10 ...

[johnnycool]

Jackie Tyrell baring all on the GAA social podcast.

GAA Social

A very good listen and not afraid to come clean on his own discretions..

On the Cody/Shefflin hand shake he talks about, we'd Cody up last winter for a "legends" talk and Cody came clean on it and wasn't asked about it.

Cody is as Tyrell talks about is an out and out hurling man, his life is lived through that prism and more importantly Cody is a James Stephens and Kilkenny hurling man first and foremost.

Cody articulated that night that for the life of him he really could not understand how any Kilkenny hurler, especially someone like Shefflin who has gained so much from Kilkenny hurling could actually coach a team to try and beat Kilkenny in a Leinster or AI championship.

Old school alright but there's loads of lads with a similar attitude in every club and county in Ireland.

I'm sure there's lads in Tyrone would go mad if Mickey Harte coaches Derry to beat them...

If Kilkenny were winning it might be different. But kilkenny are really hurting. This is season 10 ...

They're still bagging Leinster titles like hot dinners and whilst they're not winning AI's it isn't Shefflins Galway that's preventing them.

[seafoid]

Jackie Tyrell baring all on the GAA social podcast.

GAA Social

A very good listen and not afraid to come clean on his own discretions..

On the Cody/Shefflin hand shake he talks about, we'd Cody up last winter for a "legends" talk and Cody came clean on it and wasn't asked about it.

Cody is as Tyrell talks about is an out and out hurling man, his life is lived through that prism and more importantly Cody is a James Stephens and Kilkenny hurling man first and foremost.

Cody articulated that night that for the life of him he really could not understand how any Kilkenny hurler, especially someone like Shefflin who has gained so much from Kilkenny hurling could actually coach a team to try and beat Kilkenny in a Leinster or AI championship.

Old school alright but there's loads of lads with a similar attitude in every club and county in Ireland.

I'm sure there's lads in Tyrone would go mad if Mickey Harte coaches Derry to beat them...

If Kilkenny were winning it might be different. But kilkenny are really hurting. This is season 10 ...

They're still bagging Leinster titles like hot dinners and whilst they're not winning AI's it isn't Shefflins Galway that's preventing them.

Leinsters have no value in Catland
They get hammered on the big day and that really hurts.
Huw Lawlor has never won a senior all Ireland.
If you had said back in 2015 that one of the greatest players in the game, from Kilkenny, would have lost 4 senior finals and won none, nobody would have believed it.

[johnnycool]

Jackie Tyrell baring all on the GAA social podcast.

GAA Social

A very good listen and not afraid to come clean on his own discretions..

On the Cody/Shefflin hand shake he talks about, we'd Cody up last winter for a "legends" talk and Cody came clean on it and wasn't asked about it.

Cody is as Tyrell talks about is an out and out hurling man, his life is lived through that prism and more importantly Cody is a James Stephens and Kilkenny hurling man first and foremost.

Cody articulated that night that for the life of him he really could not understand how any Kilkenny hurler, especially someone like Shefflin who has gained so much from Kilkenny hurling could actually coach a team to try and beat Kilkenny in a Leinster or AI championship.

Old school alright but there's loads of lads with a similar attitude in every club and county in Ireland.

I'm sure there's lads in Tyrone would go mad if Mickey Harte coaches Derry to beat them...

If Kilkenny were winning it might be different. But kilkenny are really hurting. This is season 10 ...

They're still bagging Leinster titles like hot dinners and whilst they're not winning AI's it isn't Shefflins Galway that's preventing them.

Leinsters have no value in Catland
They get hammered on the big day and that really hurts.
Huw Lawlor has never won a senior all Ireland.
If you had said back in 2015 that one of the greatest players in the game, from Kilkenny, would have lost 4 senior finals and won none, nobody would have believed it.

I know all that,  my original point being is that it isn't Shefflins Galway inflicting these defeats, it's Kielys Limerick

[seafoid]

Jackie Tyrell baring all on the GAA social podcast.

GAA Social

A very good listen and not afraid to come clean on his own discretions..

On the Cody/Shefflin hand shake he talks about, we'd Cody up last winter for a "legends" talk and Cody came clean on it and wasn't asked about it.

Cody is as Tyrell talks about is an out and out hurling man, his life is lived through that prism and more importantly Cody is a James Stephens and Kilkenny hurling man first and foremost.

Cody articulated that night that for the life of him he really could not understand how any Kilkenny hurler, especially someone like Shefflin who has gained so much from Kilkenny hurling could actually coach a team to try and beat Kilkenny in a Leinster or AI championship.

Old school alright but there's loads of lads with a similar attitude in every club and county in Ireland.

I'm sure there's lads in Tyrone would go mad if Mickey Harte coaches Derry to beat them...

If Kilkenny were winning it might be different. But kilkenny are really hurting. This is season 10 ...

They're still bagging Leinster titles like hot dinners and whilst they're not winning AI's it isn't Shefflins Galway that's preventing them.

Leinsters have no value in Catland
They get hammered on the big day and that really hurts.
Huw Lawlor has never won a senior all Ireland.
If you had said back in 2015 that one of the greatest players in the game, from Kilkenny, would have lost 4 senior finals and won none, nobody would have believed it.

I know all that,  my original point being is that it isn't Shefflins Galway inflicting these defeats, it's Kielys Limerick

Kilkenny had a jammy win last year. Imo KK and Galway are on a similar level.
This chart is really interesting. Cork and the Cats have been flatlining for a while

[Blowitupref]

Good live game on RTÉ tonight with Limerick winning 0-26 to 3-16

Limerick had 42 scoring chances to Tipps 30 so probably should have won by more, the goals kept Tipp in the game.

[imtommygunn]

Sf Galway have been very poor this last few years. Kk have some fantastic players but as a team I think they are performing above themselves. Galway are definitely not performing above themselves. They've been a big disappointment since they won the ai tbh. They're the only team with the physicality in them to challenge limerick (and beat everyone else) but they never do.

[seafoid]

Sf Galway have been very poor this last few years. Kk have some fantastic players but as a team I think they are performing above themselves. Galway are definitely not performing above themselves. They've been a big disappointment since they won the ai tbh. They're the only team with the physicality in them to challenge limerick (and beat everyone else) but they never do.

Galway are poor but so are Kilkenny. Way off the pace. They can't compete for possession in their forwards, they lose too many puckouts , shooting is poor, they can't compete physically.
 Winning Leinster means getting a ritual beating in the all Ireland final.  Kilkenny get more allstars but they never win the big prize either.
Galway camogie have  won 2 all Irelands recently so it's not not that bad overall.