All Ireland prelimQFs: Mayo/Derry, Galway/Monaghan, Tyrone/Roscommon, Louth/Cork

[yellowcard]

derry will beat mayo

I seen nothing at the weekend that shows Derry have sorted the mess out. Against very middling opposition they were lucky not to cough up another few ridiculous goals, the confidence was on the floor and only a late goal saw them to safety. McStay seemed very focused on the next challenge after drawing with the Dubs while Harte is going over nonsense about critics and empty vessels.. a tactic he uses to employ a siege mentality. Can't see  Derry win...

it's the perfect draw for derry. if they'd drawn someone else like a tyrone or a louth, i actually wouldn't be surprised to see them limp out. i just think it would be impossible for a game like this against opposition like mayo to not get the blood pumping for a team of derry's type, no matter what's going on behind the scenes. perfect opportunity to get the heads together and develop a siege mentality. they're going to be dismissed all week and it's just setting the stage.

further, mayo looked very dejected at the end of their game against dublin. i think they were really, really disappointed to not win that game and showed incredible naivety in the last 20 seconds. there's still an element of the flake in mayo, i wouldn't trust them at all to get the job done even against a team that is supposedly in a shambles in the dressing room.

Jez, you are talking up and talking down a fair bit there. Personally I think that both will be goosed for their game the following week against a rested Kerry/Dublin/Armagh/Donegal. So Saturdays result is of little consequence in the scheme of things. Derry have been flat now for 2 months.

didn't say either would do anything the following week. in fact i don't think any of the teams in the prelims will get a sniff of an all ireland final to be quite honest. i just think derry have a kick in them yet, there was some fighting talk from their camp last weekend post-match, and i don't think mayo are the type of team that effectively puts the opposition away early and firmly enough and once derry get a sniff of blood, they could easily grow into the game.

My thoughts on this when I heard the draw. Derry are the type of team that Mayo have struggled against. This is the perfect draw for Derry to get their season back on track. All I am hearing everywhere is how Derry are a beaten docket.
What better man than Mickey Harte to create a siege in the camp.

This could go any way

A siege mentality only works when it's your own county, He can't exactly stand up and beat the chest and point to the badge, it just wouldn't look or sound right.   

[Maroon Manc]

It wasn't really mentioned but interesting to see Galway drop John Daly and make a tactical change and it worked in fairness, Glynn & McGrath got forward a fair bit more then normal. Mulkerrins coming in was totally out of the blue, looked like 3 or 4 others were well ahead of him in the pecking order but he played well. Joyce trying to become a lot less predictable.

I'd like to see Joyce make a good few changes and start Culhane, Heaney, Sweeney & O'Flaherty but don't see it happening, perhaps some of these Galway players like Walsh, Tierney & McDaid needs games given all the football they've missed this season looking at it from a very optimistic view although after Sunday I've very little of that left. 

Culhane is still very slight for a lad who'd been around the panel for last 3/4 years, appreciate he's still only 21/22 but even compared to Cathal Sweeney he looks like a lad who's years behind in those stakes, very noticeable in Sundays team photo.

[statto]

You don't go from a good to a bad team overnight l there might be some fight in them now it is actual knockout. Might I say...

Derry appear to be the team that went from good to bad overnight.

The form of McGuigan, Doherty, Cassidy has fallen off a cliff.  Rogers has been poor all year really and Glass has not been dominating games the way he has through Glens AI win and in alot of games since his return to Derry.

This may be a game that they needed to get them going, but in the Westmeath game last week they looked like a team that needed out out of their misery. 

Would agree with you bar Ethan Doherty, Think hes been one of the players that has been consistently performing.

Doherty was decent against Donegal but for me has been poor since. 

[statto]

derry will beat mayo

I seen nothing at the weekend that shows Derry have sorted the mess out. Against very middling opposition they were lucky not to cough up another few ridiculous goals, the confidence was on the floor and only a late goal saw them to safety. McStay seemed very focused on the next challenge after drawing with the Dubs while Harte is going over nonsense about critics and empty vessels.. a tactic he uses to employ a siege mentality. Can't see  Derry win...

it's the perfect draw for derry. if they'd drawn someone else like a tyrone or a louth, i actually wouldn't be surprised to see them limp out. i just think it would be impossible for a game like this against opposition like mayo to not get the blood pumping for a team of derry's type, no matter what's going on behind the scenes. perfect opportunity to get the heads together and develop a siege mentality. they're going to be dismissed all week and it's just setting the stage.

further, mayo looked very dejected at the end of their game against dublin. i think they were really, really disappointed to not win that game and showed incredible naivety in the last 20 seconds. there's still an element of the flake in mayo, i wouldn't trust them at all to get the job done even against a team that is supposedly in a shambles in the dressing room.

Jez, you are talking up and talking down a fair bit there. Personally I think that both will be goosed for their game the following week against a rested Kerry/Dublin/Armagh/Donegal. So Saturdays result is of little consequence in the scheme of things. Derry have been flat now for 2 months.

didn't say either would do anything the following week. in fact i don't think any of the teams in the prelims will get a sniff of an all ireland final to be quite honest. i just think derry have a kick in them yet, there was some fighting talk from their camp last weekend post-match, and i don't think mayo are the type of team that effectively puts the opposition away early and firmly enough and once derry get a sniff of blood, they could easily grow into the game.

My thoughts on this when I heard the draw. Derry are the type of team that Mayo have struggled against. This is the perfect draw for Derry to get their season back on track. All I am hearing everywhere is how Derry are a beaten docket.
What better man than Mickey Harte to create a siege in the camp.

This could go any way

A siege mentality only works when it's your own county, He can't exactly stand up and beat the chest and point to the badge, it just wouldn't look or sound right.   

Kilcoo have made it work for them at club level down the years and have had many external members of the backroom team and management. 

[JoG2]

You don't go from a good to a bad team overnight l there might be some fight in them now it is actual knockout. Might I say...

Derry appear to be the team that went from good to bad overnight.

The form of McGuigan, Doherty, Cassidy has fallen off a cliff.  Rogers has been poor all year really and Glass has not been dominating games the way he has through Glens AI win and in alot of games since his return to Derry.

This may be a game that they needed to get them going, but in the Westmeath game last week they looked like a team that needed out out of their misery. 

Would agree with you bar Ethan Doherty, Think hes been one of the players that has been consistently performing.

Doherty was decent against Donegal but for me has been poor since. 

No he hasn't (not even close) , some around him have been poor. Go watch a Derry game and see how many times Doherty bombs forward with scant supporting cast to lay the ball off to. Ethan has been consistent for 3+ seasons now.

[statto]

You don't go from a good to a bad team overnight l there might be some fight in them now it is actual knockout. Might I say...

Derry appear to be the team that went from good to bad overnight.

The form of McGuigan, Doherty, Cassidy has fallen off a cliff.  Rogers has been poor all year really and Glass has not been dominating games the way he has through Glens AI win and in alot of games since his return to Derry.

This may be a game that they needed to get them going, but in the Westmeath game last week they looked like a team that needed out out of their misery. 

Would agree with you bar Ethan Doherty, Think hes been one of the players that has been consistently performing.

Doherty was decent against Donegal but for me has been poor since. 

No he hasn't (not even close) , some around him have been poor. Go watch a Derry game and see how many times Doherty bombs forward with scant supporting cast to lay the ball off to. Ethan has been consistent for 3+ seasons now.

Or alternatively running down blind alleys. 

[JoG2]

You don't go from a good to a bad team overnight l there might be some fight in them now it is actual knockout. Might I say...

Derry appear to be the team that went from good to bad overnight.

The form of McGuigan, Doherty, Cassidy has fallen off a cliff.  Rogers has been poor all year really and Glass has not been dominating games the way he has through Glens AI win and in alot of games since his return to Derry.

This may be a game that they needed to get them going, but in the Westmeath game last week they looked like a team that needed out out of their misery. 

Would agree with you bar Ethan Doherty, Think hes been one of the players that has been consistently performing.

Doherty was decent against Donegal but for me has been poor since. 

No he hasn't (not even close) , some around him have been poor. Go watch a Derry game and see how many times Doherty bombs forward with scant supporting cast to lay the ball off to. Ethan has been consistent for 3+ seasons now.

Or alternatively running down blind alleys. 

You can double down all you want, but you are wrong re Ethan Doherty being poor atm

[statto]

You don't go from a good to a bad team overnight l there might be some fight in them now it is actual knockout. Might I say...

Derry appear to be the team that went from good to bad overnight.

The form of McGuigan, Doherty, Cassidy has fallen off a cliff.  Rogers has been poor all year really and Glass has not been dominating games the way he has through Glens AI win and in alot of games since his return to Derry.

This may be a game that they needed to get them going, but in the Westmeath game last week they looked like a team that needed out out of their misery. 

Would agree with you bar Ethan Doherty, Think hes been one of the players that has been consistently performing.

Doherty was decent against Donegal but for me has been poor since. 

No he hasn't (not even close) , some around him have been poor. Go watch a Derry game and see how many times Doherty bombs forward with scant supporting cast to lay the ball off to. Ethan has been consistent for 3+ seasons now.

Or alternatively running down blind alleys. 

You can double down all you want, but you are wrong re Ethan Doherty being poor atm

Ok he played in a forward line that scored 9 times against a poor Westmeath side but he's been as consistent as he has been in last three years.Was a non event against Armagh too.

[HiMucker]

You don't go from a good to a bad team overnight l there might be some fight in them now it is actual knockout. Might I say...

Derry appear to be the team that went from good to bad overnight.

The form of McGuigan, Doherty, Cassidy has fallen off a cliff.  Rogers has been poor all year really and Glass has not been dominating games the way he has through Glens AI win and in alot of games since his return to Derry.

This may be a game that they needed to get them going, but in the Westmeath game last week they looked like a team that needed out out of their misery. 

Would agree with you bar Ethan Doherty, Think hes been one of the players that has been consistently performing.

Doherty was decent against Donegal but for me has been poor since. 

No he hasn't (not even close) , some around him have been poor. Go watch a Derry game and see how many times Doherty bombs forward with scant supporting cast to lay the ball off to. Ethan has been consistent for 3+ seasons now.

Or alternatively running down blind alleys. 

You can double down all you want, but you are wrong re Ethan Doherty being poor atm

Ok he played in a forward line that scored 9 times against a poor Westmeath side but he's been as consistent as he has been in last three years.Was a non event against Armagh too.

He scored 3 great points in the first half. Id agree with JoG2 on this. Too simplistic to say everyone is playing poor when a teams performance plummets. At the elite level it only takes a few players off it for the whole thing to fall to pieces. I think playing fellas not a full fitness after injury is a major factor. Honestly think we would be better off with a squad player getting minutes, even if management don't think they are up to it instead of putting in someone at 80%. There is maybe 2 or 3  exceptions to that, but none of those were the players affected.

[statto]

You don't go from a good to a bad team overnight l there might be some fight in them now it is actual knockout. Might I say...

Derry appear to be the team that went from good to bad overnight.

The form of McGuigan, Doherty, Cassidy has fallen off a cliff.  Rogers has been poor all year really and Glass has not been dominating games the way he has through Glens AI win and in alot of games since his return to Derry.

This may be a game that they needed to get them going, but in the Westmeath game last week they looked like a team that needed out out of their misery. 

Would agree with you bar Ethan Doherty, Think hes been one of the players that has been consistently performing.

Doherty was decent against Donegal but for me has been poor since. 

No he hasn't (not even close) , some around him have been poor. Go watch a Derry game and see how many times Doherty bombs forward with scant supporting cast to lay the ball off to. Ethan has been consistent for 3+ seasons now.

Or alternatively running down blind alleys. 

You can double down all you want, but you are wrong re Ethan Doherty being poor atm

Ok he played in a forward line that scored 9 times against a poor Westmeath side but he's been as consistent as he has been in last three years.Was a non event against Armagh too.

He scored 3 great points in the first half. Id agree with JoG2 on this. Too simplistic to say everyone is playing poor when a teams performance plummets. At the elite level it only takes a few players off it for the whole thing to fall to pieces. I think playing fellas not a full fitness after injury is a major factor. Honestly think we would be better off with a squad player getting minutes, even if management don't think they are up to it instead of putting in someone at 80%. There is maybe 2 or 3  exceptions to that, but none of those were the players affected.

Against who? He scored one point against Armagh and none against Westmeath. 

Baker, McFaul, McCloskey I thought were their best at the weekend but outside of that didn't have many 7/10s.   

[HiMucker]

You don't go from a good to a bad team overnight l there might be some fight in them now it is actual knockout. Might I say...

Derry appear to be the team that went from good to bad overnight.

The form of McGuigan, Doherty, Cassidy has fallen off a cliff.  Rogers has been poor all year really and Glass has not been dominating games the way he has through Glens AI win and in alot of games since his return to Derry.

This may be a game that they needed to get them going, but in the Westmeath game last week they looked like a team that needed out out of their misery. 

Would agree with you bar Ethan Doherty, Think hes been one of the players that has been consistently performing.

Doherty was decent against Donegal but for me has been poor since. 

No he hasn't (not even close) , some around him have been poor. Go watch a Derry game and see how many times Doherty bombs forward with scant supporting cast to lay the ball off to. Ethan has been consistent for 3+ seasons now.

Or alternatively running down blind alleys. 

You can double down all you want, but you are wrong re Ethan Doherty being poor atm

Ok he played in a forward line that scored 9 times against a poor Westmeath side but he's been as consistent as he has been in last three years.Was a non event against Armagh too.

He scored 3 great points in the first half. Id agree with JoG2 on this. Too simplistic to say everyone is playing poor when a teams performance plummets. At the elite level it only takes a few players off it for the whole thing to fall to pieces. I think playing fellas not a full fitness after injury is a major factor. Honestly think we would be better off with a squad player getting minutes, even if management don't think they are up to it instead of putting in someone at 80%. There is maybe 2 or 3  exceptions to that, but none of those were the players affected.

Against who? He scored one point against Armagh and none against Westmeath. 

Baker, McFaul, McCloskey I thought were their best at the weekend but outside of that didn't have many 7/10s.   

My mistake right you are. I still think hes been one of our better performers.

[statto]

You don't go from a good to a bad team overnight l there might be some fight in them now it is actual knockout. Might I say...

Derry appear to be the team that went from good to bad overnight.

The form of McGuigan, Doherty, Cassidy has fallen off a cliff.  Rogers has been poor all year really and Glass has not been dominating games the way he has through Glens AI win and in alot of games since his return to Derry.

This may be a game that they needed to get them going, but in the Westmeath game last week they looked like a team that needed out out of their misery. 

Would agree with you bar Ethan Doherty, Think hes been one of the players that has been consistently performing.

Doherty was decent against Donegal but for me has been poor since. 

No he hasn't (not even close) , some around him have been poor. Go watch a Derry game and see how many times Doherty bombs forward with scant supporting cast to lay the ball off to. Ethan has been consistent for 3+ seasons now.

Or alternatively running down blind alleys. 

You can double down all you want, but you are wrong re Ethan Doherty being poor atm

Ok he played in a forward line that scored 9 times against a poor Westmeath side but he's been as consistent as he has been in last three years.Was a non event against Armagh too.

He scored 3 great points in the first half. Id agree with JoG2 on this. Too simplistic to say everyone is playing poor when a teams performance plummets. At the elite level it only takes a few players off it for the whole thing to fall to pieces. I think playing fellas not a full fitness after injury is a major factor. Honestly think we would be better off with a squad player getting minutes, even if management don't think they are up to it instead of putting in someone at 80%. There is maybe 2 or 3  exceptions to that, but none of those were the players affected.

Against who? He scored one point against Armagh and none against Westmeath. 

Baker, McFaul, McCloskey I thought were their best at the weekend but outside of that didn't have many 7/10s.   

My mistake right you are. I still think hes been one of our better performers.

The more the week goes on, the more I think Derry might win this game.  They don't become a bad team over night and they just need a win of any kind last weekend.  Mayo I don't think have that killer instinct and Derry have the men at the back to shut down ROD. Think the first goal in the game could be a big score.  They had a pretty facile win in the league down in Mayo also. 

[Rossfan]

So the (Nordie)consensus is Derry to bate Mayowestros,  only thing in question is the margin of victory.

  

[tbrick18]

You don't go from a good to a bad team overnight l there might be some fight in them now it is actual knockout. Might I say...

Derry appear to be the team that went from good to bad overnight.

The form of McGuigan, Doherty, Cassidy has fallen off a cliff.  Rogers has been poor all year really and Glass has not been dominating games the way he has through Glens AI win and in alot of games since his return to Derry.

This may be a game that they needed to get them going, but in the Westmeath game last week they looked like a team that needed out out of their misery. 

Would agree with you bar Ethan Doherty, Think hes been one of the players that has been consistently performing.

Doherty was decent against Donegal but for me has been poor since. 

No he hasn't (not even close) , some around him have been poor. Go watch a Derry game and see how many times Doherty bombs forward with scant supporting cast to lay the ball off to. Ethan has been consistent for 3+ seasons now.

Or alternatively running down blind alleys. 

You can double down all you want, but you are wrong re Ethan Doherty being poor atm

Ok he played in a forward line that scored 9 times against a poor Westmeath side but he's been as consistent as he has been in last three years.Was a non event against Armagh too.

He scored 3 great points in the first half. Id agree with JoG2 on this. Too simplistic to say everyone is playing poor when a teams performance plummets. At the elite level it only takes a few players off it for the whole thing to fall to pieces. I think playing fellas not a full fitness after injury is a major factor. Honestly think we would be better off with a squad player getting minutes, even if management don't think they are up to it instead of putting in someone at 80%. There is maybe 2 or 3  exceptions to that, but none of those were the players affected.

100% agree with that.
We've U20s coming through - I'd rather see them on than playing someone who's half injured and likely to get worse by playing.
Some strange management decisions during this championship - that's just one of them.

[tbrick18]

So the (Nordie)consensus is Derry to bate Mayowestros,  only thing in question is the margin of victory.

  

I don't know where you found that "consensus", but I can categorically say its certainly not the popular opinion from us "nordies".
A full strength, fully fit Derry beats a full strength fully fit Mayo 9/10 times.
We are far from full strength and players returning from injury are not fully fit. We're low on confidence given the manner of the defeats we've had and I personally feel the players are not buying into the Harte regime. A combination of injuries and a lack of belief in management and their "tactics" are resulting in the performances we're seeing.

Difficult to see a Derry win, unless we get a couple more players back from injury (Conor Doherty and Nial Loughlin) and unless we sort out the tactics.

I hope I'm wrong and the tripping over the line win against Westmeath is the kickstart our championship needs...but I'm expecting a Mayo win unfortunately.